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BigBearJohn

(11,410 posts)
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 09:56 AM Jan 2016

Hillary Clinton Is Not Telling The Truth About Wall Street And it's damaging her campaign.

WASHINGTON -- Hillary Clinton's campaign spent much of this week waging a dishonest attack on Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) and his campaign's Wall Street reform platform. The risky attempt to make inroads with progressives on one of her weakest issues is damaging the credibility of some of her top lieutenants.

Clinton's attack on Sanders is as simple as it is untrue: Unlike Sanders, Clinton has argued, she is willing to take on "shadow banking" -- a broad term for various financial activities that aren't regulated as strictly as conventional lending.

Sanders has in fact proposed attacking shadow banking in two principal ways: by breaking up big financial firms that engage in shadow banking, and by severing federal financial support for shadow banking activities by reinstating Glass-Steagall.

These would be substantive changes. A lot of shadow banking takes place at firms with traditional banking charters, like JPMorgan Chase and Bank of America. Some of it takes place at specialized hedge funds, or at major investment banks like Goldman Sachs. Breaking them up would not eliminate the risk shadow banking poses to the economy, but it would limit it. Risky shadow banking activities cannot bring down institutions that are too-big-to-fail if there are no too-big-to-fail institutions.

Yet the Clinton campaign has repeatedly said Sanders is wholly ignoring shadow banking, accusing Sanders of taking a "hands-off" approach to it that would not apply to firms like Lehman Brothers and AIG. This barrage has come from Clinton's press aides, campaign CFO Gary Gensler, and Clinton surrogate Barney Frank.

MORE: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-wall-street_568ed8d6e4b0cad15e6415cd

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Hillary Clinton Is Not Telling The Truth About Wall Street And it's damaging her campaign. (Original Post) BigBearJohn Jan 2016 OP
Why would anyone doubt her sincerity vis a vis Wall Street? Scuba Jan 2016 #1
Apparently, she didn't say "cut that out!" when they were writing her checks. n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #3
She said "cut that check"! JonLeibowitz Jan 2016 #7
DUZY demwing Jan 2016 #10
LOL!.. Segami Jan 2016 #20
and they happily obliged... CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #21
Appreciate The Transparency!!!! The More Hillary et al Doeth Protest.. CorporatistNation Jan 2016 #92
But where's that famously wealthy, Maserati driving 1%er on that list? Divernan Jan 2016 #100
Nice! Bubzer Jan 2016 #30
... CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #36
LOL azmom Jan 2016 #73
Winner!!!! 840high Jan 2016 #81
lmfao... you get my vote for post of the week! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #102
LOL...that she did, many times n/t Oilwellian Jan 2016 #113
+1K! Plucketeer Jan 2016 #57
OMG....just look at that! Punkingal Jan 2016 #8
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #22
Recommend you edit your post. The "shrills" piece will get your post hidden. Scuba Jan 2016 #25
Her plan is better in regulating Wall Street, BTW, her plan is attacked Thinkingabout Jan 2016 #2
Her plan may be fine. Her sincerity about implementing it is the question. Scuba Jan 2016 #5
Exactly. Why would anyone trust her? Dawgs Jan 2016 #29
Her plan is half hearted kenfrequed Jan 2016 #71
Yeppers. nt SusanCalvin Jan 2016 #88
Precisely Scuba! Her plan, her plan... there IS no plan, except the one where Hillary will say ANYTHING to get elected President. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #103
Yep. bvf Jan 2016 #110
You haven't sen those ads Plucketeer Jan 2016 #58
Yeah, a vulture fund backing Marco Rubio. Fuddnik Jan 2016 #59
got a link to support that claim? questionseverything Jan 2016 #80
Clinton isn't credible, when it comes to finance, economic, foreign policy and trade policies Tennis Magnet Jan 2016 #4
+ Eighty Gazillion Scuba Jan 2016 #6
I certainly agree. Welcome to DU. nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #66
Hi, Tennis Magnet! I agree. And when it Duval Jan 2016 #70
++1 840high Jan 2016 #82
What Hillary Clinton proposes isn't a Fantasy. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #9
So, our choices are to vote for someone who will undoubtedly try to accomplish winter is coming Jan 2016 #13
So, no rebuttal or refute.. just acceptance that Sanders is either lying or clueless? Amimnoch Jan 2016 #16
. Perogie Jan 2016 #18
Just so I understand... Bubzer Jan 2016 #41
You know, most people didn't think we could go to space either. Fawke Em Jan 2016 #68
With the emphasis on doing the work! We all have the responsibility to Duval Jan 2016 #72
You're not one of those who believe we actually jonno99 Jan 2016 #77
Of course we landed on the moon. We needed to know what we'd be bombing! n/t winter is coming Jan 2016 #79
Despite what you've been told... Fawke Em Jan 2016 #91
Cool. Hopefully, it was understood that my comment was tongue-in-cheek. jonno99 Jan 2016 #114
Excellent post! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #97
Huge +1! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #96
You pretty much summed up my views Winter... Bernie is "The One" who can finally lead us to the Promised Land. InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #104
Republicans hate Clintons more than they hate black people shawn703 Jan 2016 #27
doubtful that they hate her more. I've read some pretty awful things they've written about our Amimnoch Jan 2016 #32
I think their hatred for Black skin is greater than their hatred for her, but either way randys1 Jan 2016 #76
in other words, you can't rebutt the TPed material in any way stupidicus Jan 2016 #37
What Sanders proposes has been tried and tested: in the 1930-ies. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #47
Do you actually think anyone read that? CoffeeCat Jan 2016 #52
This message was self-deleted by its author Amimnoch Jan 2016 #53
I support Sanders... thesquanderer Jan 2016 #60
Much respect to you and your response. Amimnoch Jan 2016 #64
You clearly didn't read the whole HuffPo article ymetca Jan 2016 #61
+1, thank you dreamnightwind Jan 2016 #69
I am 72. I have had an amazing life. Just unbelievable. JDPriestly Jan 2016 #87
Simply beautiful, JD. Thank you. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #98
Couldn't agree more JD... great post! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #106
*Very* nicely said. n/t bvf Jan 2016 #111
People should read the whole article. Very well mmonk Jan 2016 #11
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jan 2016 #12
HUGE K & R !!! - THANK YOU !!! WillyT Jan 2016 #14
Translation: Bernie offers pie in the sky that can't be had leftofcool Jan 2016 #15
Like? Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #49
"I'm going to break up all the big banks" leftofcool Jan 2016 #62
Thats your argument? You Think Hillary will have an easier time then? Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #65
Ever heard of executive action?! InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #107
Sanders will win and the historically gerrymandered GOP congress will complete his agenda.. uponit7771 Jan 2016 #84
Why are Sanders supporters so hung up on Wall St and income inequality? tk2kewl Jan 2016 #17
It seems that Hill supporters are either ignorant U of M Dem Jan 2016 #24
Charming. NurseJackie Jan 2016 #34
It's taken awhile. floriduck Jan 2016 #38
Oh, my! (Among other things, that's very amusing.) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #44
What will be even more amusing is when she's the nominee ConservativeDemocrat Jan 2016 #48
It won't be long now. (Still ... waiting is the hardest part.) NurseJackie Jan 2016 #51
LOL. Yep. SunSeeker Jan 2016 #93
LOL! bvf Jan 2016 #112
Wealth extraction... which of the two candidates has mastered that technique?... hmmm InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #108
... 1StrongBlackMan Jan 2016 #28
Why are Clinton supporters so attached to Wall Street and income inequality? eom Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #46
A lot of them are republicans. JRLeft Jan 2016 #55
DINOs, maybe. But not Republicans. Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #56
I wouldn't say she has ZERO crossover appeal Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #86
Because the middle class is shrinking and has been since Duval Jan 2016 #74
I assumed the sarcasm tag was self evident tk2kewl Jan 2016 #75
Her credibility is unchanged with her gullible supporters Android3.14 Jan 2016 #19
The headline says it all. GoneOffShore Jan 2016 #23
Clinton is spot on and a breath of fresh air. NCTraveler Jan 2016 #26
Seriously? Explain her rejection of Glass Stegall. Has she something better? Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #33
in other words you can't dispute the dishonesty noted in the TP stupidicus Jan 2016 #40
I made the point a day or two ago that I thought Hillary was more rounded than Sanders cause uponit7771 Jan 2016 #85
Aww I trust Hillary a little more than...umm...thinking....how about Ted Cruz? Katashi_itto Jan 2016 #31
Now that's just unfair. I trust her more than Trump too. hedda_foil Jan 2016 #43
I don't trust her. On anything. She's out for herself CharlotteVale Jan 2016 #35
I wish I couldn't agree. Enthusiast Jan 2016 #99
self-inflicted injuries are the worst kind. Let's hope she gets better at it, no? stupidicus Jan 2016 #39
And Yet . . . Gamecock Lefty Jan 2016 #42
and gladly so when it's negative stuff like this stupidicus Jan 2016 #50
After all the dishonest attacks from Clinton, DWS, and the rest of her cronies, Betty Karlson Jan 2016 #45
Bernie Will be Tougher gordyfl Jan 2016 #54
Asking why Clinton campaigns lie... 99Forever Jan 2016 #63
K&R nt Live and Learn Jan 2016 #67
It's politics. If she wins Iowa big, it was a smart move Babel_17 Jan 2016 #78
I just heard Bill throw out the "...1-3 Supreme Court appointments" thing silvershadow Jan 2016 #83
Hillary Criticizes Bernie's Plan to Break Up Her Friends' Banks LS_Editor Jan 2016 #89
K&R nt 99th_Monkey Jan 2016 #90
Silly me for being so neive that Barney Frank would... Duckfan Jan 2016 #94
K&R for accuracy! This post should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jan 2016 #95
Wall Street is people, my friend. merrily Jan 2016 #101
Remember that time EdwardBernays Jan 2016 #105
Hillary and honesty mix like oil and water. She lies as easily as she breathes... InAbLuEsTaTe Jan 2016 #109

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
21. and they happily obliged...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jan 2016

HILLARY CLINTON'S TOP CAMPAIGN DONOR LIST:
Credit: Center for Responsive Politics

DONOR TOTAL
Citigroup Inc $824,402
Goldman Sachs $760,740
DLA Piper $700,530
JPMorgan Chase $696,456
Morgan Stanley $636,564
EMILY's List $609,684
Time Warner $501,831
Skadden, Arps et al $469,290
University of CA $417,327
Sullivan & Cromwell $369,150
Akin, Gump et al $364,478
Lehman Brothers $362,853
21st Century Fox $340,936
Cablevision Systems $336,613
Kirkland & Ellis $329,141
Natn’l Amusements $328,312
Squire Patton Boggs $328,306
Greenberg Traurig $327,890
Corning Inc $322,450
Credit Suisse Group $318,120

CorporatistNation

(2,546 posts)
92. Appreciate The Transparency!!!! The More Hillary et al Doeth Protest..
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:54 AM
Jan 2016

The more desperate they look... BECAUSE THEY ARE GETTING... VERY DESPERATE!!!

Response to Scuba (Reply #1)

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
2. Her plan is better in regulating Wall Street, BTW, her plan is attacked
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:03 AM
Jan 2016

On regular basis. Hedge fund employees has a super pac running ads against Hillary because they know their game is over with Hillary's plan is better regulations. Have not seen a super pac from Wall Street running ads against Sanders

kenfrequed

(7,865 posts)
71. Her plan is half hearted
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:36 PM
Jan 2016

It is mainly just trimming around the edges of the problem and the fact is she probably won't even fight that hard for the milquetoast reforms she has recommended.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
103. Precisely Scuba! Her plan, her plan... there IS no plan, except the one where Hillary will say ANYTHING to get elected President.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jan 2016

Hillary lies like a rug and people are starting to catch on to her deceptions. Why they're gravitating to the only true authentic progressive in this race... Bernie!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!
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Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
58. You haven't sen those ads
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jan 2016

because DWS and her horse have assured Wall St. that the fix is in. Consequently, they can hold off until it's just the queen against the Donald. That's when she'll need a "force field" surrounding her - when it's BSer against BSer.

 

Tennis Magnet

(38 posts)
4. Clinton isn't credible, when it comes to finance, economic, foreign policy and trade policies
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:12 AM
Jan 2016

The rest of her stances I can live with. It's those four key areas that I depart with Clinton, and these are key area of concern. I'm pretty sure many agree with me on these four key areas that Bernie does better on approach to address these issues.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
70. Hi, Tennis Magnet! I agree. And when it
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:32 PM
Jan 2016

comes to the bank crap, especially. Witness the DOW recently....banks continue to do their thing with the hedge funds. Apparently, the message from Hillary didn't get through to them. Sigh!

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
9. What Hillary Clinton proposes isn't a Fantasy.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:23 AM
Jan 2016

It's ironic that her sincerity is called into questions when her opponent just gave a grand, and admittedly great sounding speech full of either lies or ignorance.

Bernie would be 100% the only candidate worth electing if only what he promises was possible. This is EXACTLY what I keep on about.. he makes great promises that he will NOT have the authority to make come to pass. It's either lies or ignorance.

Within one year, my administration will break these institutions up so that they no longer pose a grave threat to the economy as authorized under Section 121 of the Dodd-Frank Act.


He's right that Dodd-Frank does give that power.. to the board of governors, and requires a 2/3 vote for approval of the board of governors. This is NOT a presidential power. He can make the list, but that's as far as this tootless tiger can go, the board of governors in no form for at least the next 12 years is going to support that vote. At best he can start getting a few of the old governors replaced with better nominations, but even those have to have a Senate that will approve them. Give me that Senate roll call that will support revamping the Fed. Hint, for at least the 115th congress, it doesn't exist unless someone goes out and recruits a MESS of really progressive senators right now.

Reinstate Glass-Stegall? Again, show me a realistic hypothetical congressional roll call of any potential version of the 115th congress.. and I will give serious reconsideration of my candidate support. As president, all he has (for this particular reinstatement) is the bully pulpit, and as everyone loves to point out his strong point of being the political outsider.. that is NOT a beneficial trait for a POTUS trying to use the bully pulpit. Sorry, but that is the nakked reality.


Not one major Wall Street executive has been prosecuted for causing the near collapse of our entire economy.

That will change under my administration. “Equal Justice Under Law” will not just be words engraved on the entrance of the Supreme Court. It will be the standard that applies to Wall Street and all Americans.



Now this has me REALLY curious. I'm assuming this would be using the attorney General's office. Is there actual laws or legal precident that he could work with? This might be possible?

Under my administration, we will turn for-profit credit rating agencies into non-profit institutions, independent from Wall Street. No longer will Wall Street be able to pick and choose which credit agency will rate their products.



Another interesting one to me. Under what power, law, or authority can he achieve this, or is he going to have to depend on and work with Congress to make this happen?

The section on reforming the Federal Reserve? Again, a beautifully worded section. This part I know he can't possibly get done without full congressional cooperation, and again, there's no version of the potential 115th congress that's going to do that.

winter is coming

(11,785 posts)
13. So, our choices are to vote for someone who will undoubtedly try to accomplish
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jan 2016

what he's proposing, or vote for someone who's taken money from Wall Street and is a proven liar?

I'm sticking with Bernie. We won't get regulation if we don't fight for it, and I don't for a minute believe Hillary will fight for any meaningful change. The way she's continually sidestepped reinstating Glass-Steagall is a big hint that she's not serious about comprehensive reform. If anything, she'll advocate for a few specific bandaids that the financial institutions will work around.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
16. So, no rebuttal or refute.. just acceptance that Sanders is either lying or clueless?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:46 AM
Jan 2016

AND you still support him for it.

Gotcha.

Bubzer

(4,211 posts)
41. Just so I understand...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jan 2016

“he makes great promises that he will NOT have the authority to make come to pass. It's either lies or ignorance.” But you think whatever congressional makeup we end up with will treat any progressive goals hillary puts forth any differently? She's not exactly a progressive. She may call herself a dem, but she's closer to being a blue dog than an actual liberal... meaning there are plenty of conservative leaning legislations that would get passed, and almost no progressive legislations... assuming your hostile congressional makeup.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
68. You know, most people didn't think we could go to space either.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 02:18 PM
Jan 2016

I prefer to dream big and do the work to get there, not accept some half-ass excuse why we can't.

 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
72. With the emphasis on doing the work! We all have the responsibility to
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:38 PM
Jan 2016

get his message out there and show support. We can do that many ways, and if it takes an organized, peaceful protest against these banks, we can do that, too!

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
91. Despite what you've been told...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 01:34 AM
Jan 2016

yeah.. I'm a Bernie supporter and know we've been there.

I am also one of the first youth members of Space Camp... 1982.

Been there. Ate the freeze-dried bananas.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
104. You pretty much summed up my views Winter... Bernie is "The One" who can finally lead us to the Promised Land.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:50 AM
Jan 2016

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
27. Republicans hate Clintons more than they hate black people
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jan 2016

You see how well they work with Obama now. Do you seriously believe they'll work with Clinton on anything if she's president? Sanders has more of a chance of getting things accomplished than Clinton does. If you believe otherwise you reside on a different planet.

 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
32. doubtful that they hate her more. I've read some pretty awful things they've written about our
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

President. I will agree that they likely hate her more than Senator Sanders.. for now. If he gets the nomination, that's pretty certain to change.

As has been pointed out MANY times right here on this board.. Senator Sanders is a political outsider. It's your side that's said that and what they've tried to sell people on from the beginning.

As I've told people in other threads, i'm more focused on the House and senate races, especially in the battleground states, than I am for the Presidency.

If the House or Senate remains Republican majority, neither Sanders NOR Clinton will get much progress done. I feel Clinton may actually get a few things done, because she is more willing to compromise than Sanders. She'll likely be despised for the compromise by some (much like President Obama got a lot of heartburn because he had to sacrifice single payer to get the ACA passed).

In the highly Unlikely event that the Senate and House goes back into Democrat control, I do feel we'd see some great things come out of either Clinton or Sanders. This is likely where we diverge in belief. Because there is no filibuster proof list of liberal Democrats that's even possible coming out of the 115th congress... many of these bills will still require some compromise because, as we all know too well, not ALL people in either the senate or house with a (D) by their name is liberal or progressive. That, again is where I think Clinton, being the political insider, will have an additional edge over Senator Sanders.

If we ever actually get a Progressive Democrat majority in the House, and a filibuster proof progressive Democrat majority in the Senate.. I absolutely believe either of these candidates would be INCREDIBLE successes.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
76. I think their hatred for Black skin is greater than their hatred for her, but either way
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 06:41 PM
Jan 2016

isnt it scary that people so full of hate might take over the entire government?

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
37. in other words, you can't rebutt the TPed material in any way
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:46 AM
Jan 2016

but have convinced yourself that spewing nonsense about Bernies goals/objectives/etc and their achievability (something that can be applied to those of both candidates where the approval of others is involved) somehow accomplishes that?

you lost here. get over it, no?

Attacking Bernie with nonsense is not a defense of the dishonesty cited here.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
47. What Sanders proposes has been tried and tested: in the 1930-ies.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jan 2016

What Clinton proposes are mere hypotheses, that have NEVER been proven.

CoffeeCat

(24,411 posts)
52. Do you actually think anyone read that?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:20 PM
Jan 2016

I think I've got election fatigue.

So tired of the Hillary talking points, the nonsense, the lies.

Who would waste their time reading two sentences about Hillary's plan to reform Wall Street, let alone an entire screed? It's laughable.

Why do they even float this nonsense? The only people buying that snake oil are....well, no one really.

Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #52)

thesquanderer

(11,990 posts)
60. I support Sanders...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:00 PM
Jan 2016

...but appreciate your well-considered concerns. A lot more thoughtful than some of the ridiculous anti-Bernie stuff that pops up.

FWIW, here's the other side:

First, the likely 115th Congress is not going to be any more amenable to even Hillary's less ambitious ideas. So really, they are both similarly disadvantaged there, even if Bernis is aiming higher.

But here is the hope, for the things that can't be done without congressional approval. It is admittedly a long shot, but it's better than no shot.

From http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/264023-in-blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

According to a new poll by Quinnipiac University on Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) destroys Republican candidate Donald Trump in a general election by 13 percentage points. In this new poll, Sanders has 51 percent to Trump's 38 percent. If this margin held in a general election, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.


In addition, if he only makes some progress toward that goal, but succeeds in directing the conversation and motivating his (hopefully expanding) base, there's another chance to flip the House in another two years.

Likely? No. But the odds that Hillary could flip the House within 4 years is even smaller.


 

Amimnoch

(4,558 posts)
64. Much respect to you and your response.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

I'm closing out my work week here, but will definitely give your response the time and thought it deserves when I get a chance this weekend.

ymetca

(1,182 posts)
61. You clearly didn't read the whole HuffPo article
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:03 PM
Jan 2016

which includes this interesting part:

Jaret Seiberg, a regulatory specialist at Guggenheim Partners -- and one of the most astute finance-friendly observers of American politics -- issued a note to clients this week saying that key elements of Sanders' platform have bipartisan appeal and political viability that will put pressure on other candidates to present more aggressive anti-Wall Street messaging.

"This is not just about breaking up the biggest banks," Seiberg wrote. "Sanders is calling for a system in which financial firms are smaller, the government controls the interest rates that banks charge, certain fees are capped, the Postal Service becomes a viable competitor to banks and payday lenders [and] CEOs would be criminally liable if employees defraud customers.

"Sanders appears to argue that he could implement much of this agenda on his own even without the need for legislation," Seiberg continued. "We caution against dismissing this view. There is much that the White House, Treasury, or the financial regulators could do by executive order …. Bashing Wall Street is a populist message that appeals to conservatives and liberals. Sanders has now laid out the most radical option on the table that other candidates will be judged against."


Sanders, when President can and will implement significant financial system reforms. HRC? Nothing but smoke and mirrors.

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
87. I am 72. I have had an amazing life. Just unbelievable.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:27 PM
Jan 2016

And I never, ever say "never."

I was 9 and in the fifth grade. My teacher presented a little homemade model of the Parthenon and told us that was the birthplace of democracy. Now I was a poor kid living in the Midwest in the early 1950s. But I said to myself right then and there, "I'm going to go there and see that Parthenon." And close to 15 years later, that is precisely what I did. It was thanks to the man I married. But what I said I would do, I did.

That is only one amazing example from my life. Be positive in your thoughts and actions.

If you never dare to want something that everyone says is impossible, you probably won't get it or do it or have it. You have to keep focused on your cosmic wish list.

It isn't magic. I just don't know what it is. But if you, from the get-go say "That is impossible. We can never do that. Forget it," you will never get what you know is right for you and for the country.

One of the things I greatly dislike about Hillary and her campaign is the negativity of it and of her supporters.

We are the country of people who achieve the impossible.

Of course, Bernie can get Congress to enact the legislation he wants if we strongly support his request for it, his campaign for it. Of course, we can.

Remember the Obama slogan: "Yes, we can."

That's what I believe about Sanders. Yes, we can.

In this you are right. It isn't "Yes, he can."

Rather it is "Yes. We can."

I like the fact that Bernie is so determined and so positive in his belief that he will achieve what is right for America.

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
62. "I'm going to break up all the big banks"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:06 PM
Jan 2016

Not without Congress he isn't. He isn't going to get free college without Congress or any thing else he wants.

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
84. Sanders will win and the historically gerrymandered GOP congress will complete his agenda..
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:50 PM
Jan 2016

... without obstruction just like they did with Obama /UnicornWorldThinking

U of M Dem

(154 posts)
24. It seems that Hill supporters are either ignorant
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:12 AM
Jan 2016

to the massive extraction of wealth out of all the lower classes (poor, middle, upper middle, even 20% ers) by the mega rich, or they are complicit with it and are willfully ignorant.

The OWS chant 'banks got bailed out; we got sold out' and the concept of the "revolving door in politics" actually means something and has a grave effect on our lives. Hill supporters and other republican minded folks simply can't or won't see how this effects EVERY facet of the lives of EVERY American and most non-Americans.

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
34. Charming.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:31 AM
Jan 2016

So we're "ignorant" ... "complicit" ... and "willfully ignorant". (If anyone dared to post such things about Bernie's supporters the likelihood of surviving an alert would not be in their favor.)

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
48. What will be even more amusing is when she's the nominee
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jan 2016

When that happens, Democrats on the DU will be separated from the Naderites, like wheat from chaff.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
108. Wealth extraction... which of the two candidates has mastered that technique?... hmmm
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:57 AM
Jan 2016

...let's see:

Hillary's net worth: $200 million
Bernie's net worth: $200,000

Who could it be I wonder? So hard to decide... NOT!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
28. ...
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jan 2016
"Revolutionaries are less troubled by the system, than their place in the system."

~~ Anonymous Internet Poster
 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
56. DINOs, maybe. But not Republicans.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:30 PM
Jan 2016

Remember: contrary to Sanders, Clinton has ZERO cross-over appeal.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
86. I wouldn't say she has ZERO crossover appeal
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jan 2016

She doesn't appeal to the lower Republican echelons, but the Republican elite are comfortable with her, as evidenced by all of those megabanks that have paid her hundreds of thousands of dollar an hour to talk to them.



 

Duval

(4,280 posts)
74. Because the middle class is shrinking and has been since
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

Reaganomics. Too many are forced to work two jobs, there hasn't been an increase in minimum wage in ages and the top 1% own more than half of the wealth of the USA, plus we can't leave out the "Austerity" measures still in place.

Check out the DOW, tk2kewl. Things are not looking good for our economy.

 

Android3.14

(5,402 posts)
19. Her credibility is unchanged with her gullible supporters
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jan 2016

They'll prance, and preen in a dark room and emote indignation if anyone flips a switch for any fact-based light that might shine.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
26. Clinton is spot on and a breath of fresh air.
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:16 AM
Jan 2016

Her comprehensive thoughts and plans with respect to regulating the banking industry are second to none. Progressive after progressive are backing her in this area. There will always be some naysayers. I'm highly confident those like Goodman are horrified with Clintons plan to regulate banks and Wall Street. I expect nothing less.

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
40. in other words you can't dispute the dishonesty noted in the TP
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:50 AM
Jan 2016

so you submitted a tacit admission that it is pretty much accurate with a subject change.

thanks for the concession

uponit7771

(90,359 posts)
85. I made the point a day or two ago that I thought Hillary was more rounded than Sanders cause
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

... Sanders doesn't seem to tout anything else but income equality and hatred of wall street.

 

Katashi_itto

(10,175 posts)
31. Aww I trust Hillary a little more than...umm...thinking....how about Ted Cruz?
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:29 AM
Jan 2016

You are so cruel to the Inevitable one!

CharlotteVale

(2,717 posts)
35. I don't trust her. On anything. She's out for herself
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jan 2016

and will put her own interests first always. And that is not what I want in a president.

Gamecock Lefty

(700 posts)
42. And Yet . . .
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:51 AM
Jan 2016

You continue to talk more about our candidate than you do your own.

Very telling. Running scared?

 

stupidicus

(2,570 posts)
50. and gladly so when it's negative stuff like this
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:17 PM
Jan 2016

and you struggle with understanding this why exactly?

Rightwingers use to love that line of BS in defense of Sarah Palin too.

Like them, do you think some "envy" is involved as well?

What's very "telling" is the way HC supporters have littered this post with irrelevant and immaterial BS leaving the material/charges in the TP wholly unaddressed and unrebutted, like they are entirely true or something.

thanks for that

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
45. After all the dishonest attacks from Clinton, DWS, and the rest of her cronies,
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:58 AM
Jan 2016

her campaign deserves to be damaged. - Preferably to the point of tanking in the primaries.

gordyfl

(598 posts)
54. Bernie Will be Tougher
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jan 2016

I'm convinced Bernie Sanders will use the bully-pulpit better than any president in our lifetime.

Hillary will just continue ""Business as usual." "Triangulation". "Reaching across the aisle."

We need change. Real Change.

Babel_17

(5,400 posts)
78. It's politics. If she wins Iowa big, it was a smart move
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

If Senator Sanders can be knocked out of the campaign, then being sloppy with the facts doesn't really have a downside. If he stays in it, then the Clinton campaign might pay a long lasting price for saying anything that they can be called out on.

I guess we'll get to see what the multitude of "referees" that people listen to have to say about this issue. Those quotes about Wall Street from the debate have stuck to Secretary Clinton, so she's going to take flak that she might otherwise have avoided.

 

silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
83. I just heard Bill throw out the "...1-3 Supreme Court appointments" thing
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 10:49 PM
Jan 2016

at a campaign speech. Must be already bringing out the scare tactics.

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
89. Hillary Criticizes Bernie's Plan to Break Up Her Friends' Banks
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 11:54 PM
Jan 2016

There was a very good reason Hillary tried to sully Bernie Sander's speech today before it happened. It's because she is bought and paid for, and Hillary doesn't want her bankster friends to risk their own damned money in high-risk investments. A good take here...


Hillary Criticizes Bernie's Plan to Break Up Her Friends' Banks

Summary:

Hillary Clinton asserts it will be unfair to her bankster friends if they cannot steal money from the commercial bank accounts of regular Americans to make extremely risky investments, because then they would lose their own money for making poor business decisions and not get to stick taxpayers with the bill.


Summarizes it quite nicely, I think.

WASHINGTON (The Nil Admirari) - Earlier today, Democratic presidential candidate and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton criticized rival U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont for "picking on" her bankster friends who run the financial institutions responsible for the 2008 economic crisis. Clinton took serious issue with Sanders' plan to break up commercial and investment banks, because that would prevent her bankster pals from using the bank deposits of regular Americans to make extremely risky investments and stick American taxpayers with the bill when they lose big.

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"I really think my plan to charge banks a few menial fines and tell them to 'cut it out' every once in a while will be far more effective than Bernie Sanders' plan to actually address serious lapses in financial regulation that place the American economy at risk of meltdown every day," explained Clinton.



More at link...

Duckfan

(1,268 posts)
94. Silly me for being so neive that Barney Frank would...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 03:59 AM
Jan 2016

...get cozy with one of the corporate favorites. Thought he had more instincts to fight for little guy. Obi Wan was wrong about Anakin, I was wrong about Frank.

EdwardBernays

(3,343 posts)
105. Remember that time
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jan 2016

Clinton's campaign started the Birther Movement?

"Then, as Obama marched toward the presidency, a new suggestion emerged: That he was not eligible to serve.

That theory first emerged in the spring of 2008, as Clinton supporters circulated an anonymous email questioning Obama’s citizenship.

“Barack Obama’s mother was living in Kenya with his Arab-African father late in her pregnancy. She was not allowed to travel by plane then, so Barack Obama was born there and his mother then took him to Hawaii to register his birth,” asserted one chain email that surfaced on the urban legend site Snopes.com in April 2008."

http://www.politico.com/story/2011/04/birtherism-where-it-all-began-053563?o=0
http://legalnewsline.com/stories/510520259-supreme-court-declines-to-hear-obama-citizenship-challenge

"Let’s flashback to 2008: Clinton is locked in a heated primary battle with Obama, with nasty accusations being flung on both sides. But Obama has begun to pull and away and Clinton seems doomed when, lo and behold, a certain image ends up the featured image on the Drudge Report:



Clicking the link brought up a Drudge exclusive, reporting that Clinton staffers circulated the image via email. “Wouldn’t we be seeing this on the cover of every magazine if it were [Hillary]?” one Clinton staffer complained.

The Obama camp went ballistic, calling it “the most shameful, offensive fear-mongering we’ve seen from either party in this election.” Clinton aides at first brushed off the story entirely, but then denied having ever sent it. Even though, months earlier, the campaign was forced to fire two Iowa staffers caught forwarding an email saying Obama was a Muslim."

http://www.mediaite.com/online/hillary-clinton-horrified-by-obama-rumors-her-campaign-helped-create/

Honesty is not something she or her supporters are known for... (See also:TPP)

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,122 posts)
109. Hillary and honesty mix like oil and water. She lies as easily as she breathes...
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 09:03 AM
Jan 2016

Vote Bernie... for a breath of fresh air.

Bernie & Elizabeth 2016!!!

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