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Bernie Sanders isn't letting go of data breach controversyWashington (CNN)Bernie Sanders may have gotten access to the Democratic National Committee's voter data system again and even apologized to Hillary Clinton onstage at the third Democratic debate, but the data breach fracas isn't ending anytime soon.
His campaign sent out a request Monday evening that Clinton join in his call for an independent audit of the DNC's centralized NGP-VAN voter data system. And campaign manager, Jeff Weaver, said he did not expect the campaign (to) drop its lawsuit against the DNC until it gets some answers.
Weaver said the lawsuit could lead to a discovery phase, and possible depositions, if it continues, all of which he hopes will unearth problems with the voter system he said the campaign first alerted the DNC about in October.
"We want to be confident we can get to the bottom of how data is handled at the DNC," Weaver told CNN Monday. "I think all the campaign(s) need to know what the status is."
....."We hope the Clinton campaign will join us in calling for a thorough, independent investigation starting from Day One in the campaign to review all possible data security failures that may have occurred at the DNC," Sanders spokesman Michael Briggs said in a statement.
Uncle Joe
(58,445 posts)Thanks for the thread, madfloridian.
Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)there must be something else that hasn't been revealed.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I think I like this Weaver guy. He knows something.
-none
(1,884 posts)I read a screed by someone around here slamming Weaver big time for him being incompetent or some such. I should have made better note of it. Probably why the negative screed by a backer of you know who.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)The president of the company worked in the Clinton Whitehouse, and on previous Hillary campaigns. Its no wonder Debbie Wasserman Schultz relented so quickly, and Hillary wants to drop it.
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)Wasserman was born to Keith Wasserman and Betsy Riley-Wasserman in Bridgeton, New Jersey. He studied political science at the New Brunswick campus of Rutgers University, but left before graduation to devote himself full-time to Barack Obama's 2008 Presidential campaign. Wasserman is the nephew of the chair of the Democratic National Committee, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aharon_Wasserman
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)that disclaimed the direct family connection. Nephew is one thing and likely nepotism, but 2nd or 3rd tier...not nearly as much, however.
Raster
(20,998 posts)Aharon Wasserman
Aharon Wasserman ?@AharonWasserman
Would be honored to be related to @DWStweets -- alas, I am not. 😔
7:55 PM - 18 Dec 2015
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libdem4life
(13,877 posts)a liar, or another birther scandal...a "Who's Your Mama" moment? If so, and he's lying, just Wow. Or, someone should contact Wiki that their info is incorrect. It does happen.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)It's a fantastic resource, but if there isn't a citation to some external source for a claim then you probably shouldn't rely on it. Articles about public figures and current events are less reliable since lots of people have an incentive to promulgate inaccurate information.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)be most interested in clearing it up. He has to know about it. More. question marksr and confusion.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)He answered a direct question about it on Twitter, but who knows how often he checks his Wikipedia entry? Especially when the Wikipedia community collectively frowns on people editing articles about themselves because it's so abused by PR types. Maybe you should look through the article history to see who added that factually incorrect detail.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)like Jones or Smith. I mean it's simple. DU isn't the first place that has noticed, I dare say. Yes, I saw his tweet, so it's just plain dumb. And that doesn't say much for whatever position he has with this IT firm. Ever heard of a background check? And DWS...sorry, don't buy it. More question marks...as I said.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)The Wikipedia article has since been updated with a reference to the guy's tweet. I don't know who you want to perform a background check on or for what, since nobody suggests this Aharon Wasserman person is involved in anything untoward, and I have never posted anything about DWS that I can remember so I don't know what it is that you are declining to buy.
weknowvino2
(62 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That looked rehearsed and planned on her part.
NPG Van admits it had a flaw in its database that permitted this second breach.
This was the second of two breaches known to the Sanders campaign.
Please go to the NPG Van website for the vendor's statement. It claims no information was saved and that the breach was due to a flaw in a release it made.
Bernie is right to insist on further, thorough and independent investigation of the DNC's handling of the data, hiring of the vendor, etc. How many times has data been breached?
Was it only Hillary's data that was breached? Or has Hillary also had access to the data of the other campaigns?
These questions need to be answered.
I do not trust either Hillary or Debbie Wasserman-Schultz, and this matter causes me to trust them even less.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Weaver and Bernie et al have been underestimated severely by the Clinton Gang. These gentlemen are NOT playing. Finally we have someone who has the gumption to stand fast against the Establishment. I am certain that Bernie and Weaver know precisely WHERE their operation stands and are confident that their group can stand fast to any level of scrutiny far better than the "opposition." My only concern is with regard to foot dragging delays by the Clinton "Gang." They will try and run out the clock. However, more folks who pay less attention to politics are now paying attention which should serve as a backstop against too much more shenanigans by the Clinton Team which of course consists of The DNC and Wasserman Schultz as well.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)The security problem opened all sides, and we have no reason to not assume that clinton or o'Malley's guys noticed and poked in, too. only way to find out is to look.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)... of the breach because of activity logs. They would have similar activity log for all candidates, wouldn't they? Sanders should give up on this - it's embarrassing .
cannabis_flower
(3,768 posts)That the Clinton campaign has gotten ahold of their data back in October when the firewall was down. I have heard that Bernie's camp notified the DNC that there was a problem then.
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)embarrassing to the DEmocratic Party grassroots. Our Party is supposed to be the Party of honesty but the hubris of the Democratic Elite is harming our Party. DWS should be fired before she damages the Party further.
Vote for an honest politician, vote Sen Sanders.
PosterChild
(1,307 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)rurallib
(62,460 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)down last week. I want to know how my private email address was given to Clinton Campaign Supporters. I am writing down their names as they come in.
I am hoping that Hillary Clinton is NOT using me in a poll number supporting her. I do not support Hillary Clinton. This makes me angry.
FreakinDJ
(17,644 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)So many straw men so little time
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)It's gone on for years. We've lost election after election...and the same ones want more of the same. It's a sort of righteous anger.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)What a simplistic characterization. I'm seeing enthusiasm, hope and relief among my fellow Sanders supporters. I also see a great deal of respect and admiration for Senator Sanders.
If there is anger in a Sanders supporter, I would assert it's a righteous anger, and one which will likely result in positive action--e.g., campaigning for Bernie, contributing to Bernie, and -- ultimately -- voting for Bernie.
Go BERNIE!!!
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)of people who are fully aware of just how corrupt pour political system is. Everyone is BOUGHT ... EXCEPT Bernie. Hillary is Incompetent, Irresponsible and Narcissistic.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)The caller was making a pitch for HRC when I said "I'm voting for the other guy." Not wanting to prolong an unwanted call, as I was hanging up the voice said "You mean Sanders?"
Maybe I should have stayed on the phone long enough and asked, "How did you get my name?"
That's the only HRC campaign call I've received thus far. Coincidence?
liberalnarb
(4,532 posts)Wanted to "put it all behind us" so quickly.
dflprincess
(28,086 posts)CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)Nitram
(22,900 posts)From elsewhere, not so much...
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Go to the NPG Van website. It verifies the Sanders' campaign's statements on this.
Here is Weaver's statement.
Also read Snopes.
As one who has worked with databases in various contexts including identifying donors for non-profit fundraising way back when, the Sanders' employees' statements that they were trying to define the scope of the vendor, NPG Van's breach, rings very true. I looked briefly at a list of the searches the Sanders employees did, and they were aimed to differentiate Hillary information and identify it specifically.
If the Sanders employees had wanted to steal information, they would have done a general search of all the data followed by a search for Sanders information. The information in the general search that was not included in the Sanders information would have been Hillary information.
They did not do that. The searches were intended to identify and segregate the Hillary data in my opinion.
Hillary supporters are, in my opinion, slandering and libeling the Bernie campaign without trying to find the truth, the facts.
Check the vendor's statement on the NPG Van website.
Read the Snopes article on the different points of view.
This is dividing the party and alienating voters. A thorough and objective, independent investigation is needed to heal the Party.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)...that Clinton's campaign also looked at Bernie's data. Just look through the rest of this thread.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)That is why Bernie is asking for an independent investigation.
I think that is necessary because without it the Democratic Party will be divided and the division will grow over time.
The division in the Democratic Party began to form when Rahm Emmanuel made extremely disparaging, dismissive remarks about the progressives, the liberals in the party early on in the Obama administration.
This division could, and it would be a terrible shame if it did, lead to a split in the Party and weakening of the liberal voice in our country. That would be a very dangerous development.
It is important that Hillary and Debbie Wasserman-Schultz cooperate with Bernie on having an independent investigation of the DNC's organization of the primary.
The current attitude on the part of hte DNC and Wasserman-Schultz could lead to an irreparable breach in the Democratic Party and the loss of confidence and voters.
This is a very serious matter that requires someone who is wiser and less biased than Wasserman-Schultz to resolve and heal it.
Wasserman-Schultz should be asked to resign and should willingly go. She risks embarrassing herself and the party to the extent that she might herself be unelectable.
I hope that wisdom will prevail.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)But that hasn't stopped multiple Bernanas from posting "speculation" about it. And then calling us "uninformed.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/12/18/the-hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-data-fight-explained/
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)an independent investigation is needed. It is Now the second time JDP has written about this and you are just scrambling about with your hands over your ears (eyes). Would you take issue over a 'true' discovery process and an end to whatever side speculates?
Nitram
(22,900 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)underneath the flotsam at the top is an ocean of really wonderful people below. It's what truly makes our party the overall better choice
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)NGP Van, the vendor, the only party with access to the entire website and the information on what was saved and what was not, what was searched and what was not admits their was a bug in their release of information, that it was fairly brief and states that nothing was saved or downloaded, etc.
Now that vendor was hired by Wasserman-Schultz, and includes Hillary employees and at least, apparently, one relative of Wasserman-Schultz. So that vendor is not biased toward Bernie.
A lot of people are talking from their imaginations and not about the facts.
NPG Van has stated that it was not the vendor involved in the breach of Sanders' data that allegedly took place a few months ago, October I believe.
It's the Hillary supporters who are uninformed and being hysterically inaccurate in their representations about this incident.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)We have solid evidence of sanders staffers access from the computer logs.
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Cheviteau
(383 posts)Bernie made some not so vague remarks about previous misdeeds vis-à-vis the tech company. Yes, Weaver knows something and Clinton knows he knows something. I guessing DWS is pissing her pants about now about the possibility of a discovery stage of a law suit.
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Nitram
(22,900 posts)Wouldn't it be better to wait for the evidence before making unfounded claims - or innuendo?
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)But since DWS and the coronation committee are on the innuendo war path against senator Sanders, I feel like fighting fire with fire.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)...performed queries of Clinton's voter data for the 10 earliest primaries?
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/documents-show-sanders-staffers-breached-clinton-voter-data
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And by the way: if a crime had occurred, shouldn't her first move have been to go the police, rather than a news agency?
cui bono
(19,926 posts)the Hillary supporters have no issue with DWS running to the press and breaking a contract without waiting and seeing.
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Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)but they don't want to be the ones revealing it. They want the independent investigators to find it. Bernie challenged Hillary to join the investigation during the debate. He is getting her on the record.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)His campaign got his data access back. What can be gained by dragging both his campaign and the DNC into discovery and depositions? What are they even suing for at this point?
Who does he think his main opponent is in this race? The DNC or the Republican Party?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)can be gained. Actually it does seem one of his opponents is the DNC.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Don't you normally have to make claims of some sort in a lawsuit? Are they asking for money? Documents? What are they hoping to find?
Personally, I think they should quite while they have access and the issue has been put to bed.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Actually the worst part of this is that DWS did the same thing she did to Howard Dean in 2008 when he was chair. She and the Clinton campaign were interfering with DNC set rules, and they went STRAIGHT to the media instead of Dean.
DWS has got a bad habit of manipulating the media. What they did about the primaries in 2008 was a horrible thing. They accused Dean of just about everything, even going so far to say he was harming minority vote in Florida because he was sticking with rules. A real big stretch there.
Watch DWS in action here and then realize hell she's running to the media again.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)If I'm not mistake she was co-chair of HRCs campaign.
FloriTexan
(838 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz3v0xBXoHD
But the story I found that info in is pretty good to. It's an oldie but a goodie
By Edward-Isaac Dovere
09/17/14 05:46 PM EDT
Updated 09/21/14 11:26 PM EDT
Democratic National Committee Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz is in a behind-the-scenes struggle with the White House, congressional Democrats and Washington insiders who have lost confidence in her as both a unifying leader and reliable party spokesperson at a time when they need her most.
Long-simmering doubts about her have reached a peak after two recent public flubs: criticizing the White Houses handling of the border crisis and comparing the tea party to wife beaters.
The perception of critics is that Wasserman Schultz spends more energy tending to her own political ambitions than helping Democrats win. This includes using meetings with DNC donors to solicit contributions for her own PAC and campaign committee, traveling to uncompetitive districts to court House colleagues for her potential leadership bid and having DNC-paid staff focus on her personal political agenda.
Shes become a liability to the DNC, and even to her own prospects, critics say.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2014/09/democrats-debbie-wasserman-schultz-111077#ixzz3v0yI3ZqJ
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)His injunctive relief cause of action is moot because he got his access back. And what are his damages? He MADE $1 million, as his campaign so proudly announced, fundraising off of his staff's data breach.
Progressive dog
(6,921 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)If, in the future, we want to ensure that the DNC operates above-board, we need to hold the bad actors accountable.
Sweeping this under the rug ensures it will happen again.
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)This happened at least once in 08 and twice this year.
Leftyforever
(317 posts)angle you are coming from
mhatrw
(10,786 posts)Samantha
(9,314 posts)Other than that, leaving the case pending until some other issues are explored might just keep some in the cast of characters towing the line.
After all, when political dirty tricks that we usually see from the Republicans appear in the Democratic arena, it is a warning shot to stay alert and be prepared for more. Keep your eye on the prize.
Sam
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)They already have the relief they wanted.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)also important still left unresolved.
Sam
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)Sorry if I'm being dense.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)I remember reading in the filing damage to his reputation was a huge issue. That is very important to Bernie Sanders, even if one doesn't like his position on issues, he has a longstanding reputation for being very honest. If a scandal erupted that damaged his reputation, and especially if were something as nebulous as this is at this point, and people who had previously been behind him walked away because they assumed the facts as being reported were correct (but there is an entirely different competing take on this) at this point no one should be suffering damage until the court case is concluded and the facts are established.
As you may or may not know just before this erupted, Hillary Clinton had only a 9 point lead in Iowa over Sanders; Sanders had a 10 point lead in New Hampshire. Shortly before this happened, CNN put out a story headlined New Hampshire remains a strong hold for Sanders. If you remember the discussions over these two states' importance and who won and who lost, many speculated that Bernie needed to win at least one to continue on the contest, but two would make it even more probable that other voters would start paying a lot more attention to him. He would become suddenly much more competitive.
You also recall that at the inception of this campaigns, Sanders openly said he did not have the funds to jump into a national contest, putting resources and adverting in place in all of the states. His plan was to put the funds he had and human resources focused on winning in Iowa and NH. Should his results be good, he would be better positioned to be a lot more competitive for Super Tuesday. And he had already started to prepare for that because he had raised more funds than he anticipated. He did have the ability to start competing nationally.
So the week he won a huge labor endorsement, and his numbers were looking good in both Iowa and NH, and at last some MSM commentators were inviting him to be on air and discuss his position on issues (he had, as you know largely been ignored by the MSM until he started to gain some traction -- just when things were starting to click and just right before the third debate was scheduled to take place) BOOM this bomb was dropped, and his integrity was assaulted.
Now some people might say the timing of this bomb dropping was just coincidental. It is my opinion and I am sure there are a lot of others who would agree, in politics there is just no such thing as a coincidence. The timing of this announcement with details immediately being communicated to the press as opposed to quietly settling the matter behind the bright lights was determined to take place at the precise moment which the allegations of criminal acts could do the most damage. Bernie's Big Mo was picking up speed, and it needed to be stopped dead in its tracts.
He was also getting better marks from the public as the candidate who was the most honest and/or could be trusted. That was not helpful to his competition. But the eruption of this controversy enabled the public questioning of his integrity by those who sought to derail him.
In my opinion, ergo, there are no links this was just a typical dirty Republican trick executed by a Democrat. And that is what is so, so disturbing to me as a progressive. Did it do any damage? I believe and I hope not.
But if it has, someone will have to pay for that.... That would be another irreparable harm.
We have observed many elections, and I believe most people know by now that in the political arena when one is fiercely attacked, he or she must up and fight back, if they want to win. And they better prepare for the next assault, because the tenor of the race has now been revealed.
Sam
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)Besides, truth is a defense. He essentially admitted his staff did wrong and apologized for it on national TV in front of 8 million viewers. He fired his National Data Director and suspended 2 more staffers. He admitted they accessed data they should not have. That is all DWS said. And he has admitted it.
His lawsuit only has 3 causes of action: a cause of action for injunctive relief to get his access back (now moot since he got it back) and two causes of action for damages for the 1-day denial of access.
Samantha
(9,314 posts)SHAPIRO: Sanders' campaign manager Jeff Weaver says the DNC is holding the campaign hostage. And in this lawsuit that the Sanders campaign has filed, they say this will cost their campaign $600,000 a day in lost donations, not to mention damage to Sanders' reputation. Is the data really all that important?
http://www.npr.org/2015/12/18/460330367/bernie-sanders-campaign-sues-dnc-after-breach-of-voter-database
But beyond the legal there is the political. One of the assets Sanders has going for him is his reputation for honesty and trustworthiness. That is one thing that often showed up in the polling, and his scores were higher than those of Hillary Clinton. An accusation such as this, claiming his campaign stole data from the Clinton campaign did have the potential to adversely impact Sanders' support if the matter were not immediately legally contested. The challenge in court had to be made to offset the possibility that many in the voting public would hear this, believe the accusations of theft of data, and simply turn away.
There is more to this than finds itself in the frequent DU discussions, and I believe that will be made clear as time goes on.
Happy Holidays to you.
Sam
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)If Bernie wants to protect his reputation, he should fire Weaver and stop talking like he is the victim when it was his campaign who stole Clinton's data. Regardless, the court challenge does not address that. It simply seeks damages for the 1 day the campaign was blocked from accessing the VAN. The complaint ADMITS "several" Sanders campaign staff inappropriately accessed Clinton data; it just claims blocking the campaign is a breach of contract and wants damages for it.
Happy Holidays to you too.
SunSeeker
Samantha
(9,314 posts)45)In view of the foregoing, Plaintiff continues to incur substantial financial, reputational and political injury.(emphasis added)
from paragraph 45 (First Claim - Breach of Contract - Specific Performance) at https://berniesanders.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Bernie2016vDNCComplaint.pdf
I am signing off now on this issue because I am so tired and want to get on with the Holiday celebrations. I am sure you too have a large investment a lot of time and energy in this issue in which we are both so entrenched. However, let's take a moment to toast our oncoming Holiday joys.
Sam
SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)And the named plaintiff is the Sanders Campaign, not Sanders himself. Not only is there no defamation claim, he is not even a party to the lawsuit.
Party on Sam.
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SunSeeker
(51,740 posts)I am not "continually guzzling libations." So much for showing holiday spirit. How quickly you resort to personal attacks when you lose an argument.
catnhatnh
(8,976 posts)If it can be proved that the DNC and Clinton campaign have been engaging in dirty tricks a huge crowd of Clinton supporters will probably switch their allegiance to Bernie!
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Did the Republican party illegally deny him access to his database?
You have no curiosity as to if our choices in this election are being manipulated?
Educate yourself, a vote is a terrible thing to waste.
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)Such a good movie.
Good choice for this thread!!!
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Karma13612
(4,554 posts)of the very definition of right and wrong and good journalism and getting to the truth.
Something that is in criminally short supply today.
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Everyone should watch it at least once.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)James A. Wells, Assistant U.S. Attorney General: Now we'll talk all day if you want to. But, come sundown, there's gonna be two things true that ain't true now. One is that the United States Department of Justice is goin' to know what in the good Christ - e'scuse me, Angie - is goin' on around here. And the other's I'm gonna have somebody's ass in muh briefcase.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0081974/trivia?tab=qt&ref_=tt_trv_qu
Juicy_Bellows
(2,427 posts)Cheers!
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Last edited Mon Dec 21, 2015, 11:33 PM - Edit history (1)
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)I have to wonder if she'll go for it. Kinda foolish not to. B: "Come help me clean this up" H: "no no we're good nothing to see here"
slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)msongs
(67,458 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Publicity is all that matters!
tblue37
(65,490 posts)The Sanders lawsuit is an attempt to restore the rank and file Dem voters' faith that their interests are being considered and not just the interests of those in charge.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)fairly?
We need an independent investigation.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)Complete mess. Florida I don't think could do a caucus even if they wanted to this late game. Keep the primary the date scheduled. How hard is this?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)She attacked Dean a lot when he was sticking by the party rules.
She ran to the media before she went to him. It's a habit.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)so many other things. Will Clinton and the DNC have the same courage or will they run and hide? Let's just see who has something to hide shall we?
mythology
(9,527 posts)Four staffers have been caught cheating. How is the Sanders side right just based on that alone? That's not counting that they lied about what happened and who was involved initially. Their best case scenario is that Clinton or O'Malley staffers did the same. There is no scenario in which they are not guilty.
Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)sure didn't help Gore or Kerry when it came time to stand up and contest the inaccuracies in the vote counts of '00 and '04. I am so happy to see a piece of the party showing a will to stand so fixedly on their principles and start to shed light on some of the corruptible practices that are prevalent in politics. If anything it exposes the Rove'ian underhandedness of baiting shit out of thin air and focusing everybody's attention toward it.
So happy that finally somebody with enough moral conviction can stick it out and shed light on a dirty tactic. Could you have imagined if back in the day somebody with enough conviction (and it would take support) would've stood up to Lee Atwater's attacks.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)This was all a setup, a hit job, and an entrapment.
Senator has every right to get to the bottom of it.
philly_bob
(2,419 posts)A claim often made here in DU.
It should be relatively easy to do.
oasis
(49,426 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Might as well fight.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Tone deaf, and destined to lose. Senate seat may be in trouble after this. I was trying to blame Weaver, but maybe the disconnect starts from the top.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)auditing to assess all the facts. If the disconnect goes all the way to the top of the Sanders campaign, it's a bit odd that the Sanders campaign are so aggressively pushing for a complete and full investigation that the Hillary campaign doesn't seem to want.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Heck, two weeks from now nobody will give a shit about this.
ornotna
(10,807 posts)I'm sure President Sanders will still want the truth to come out.
Cute.
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Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)knew what and when and if there are problems whether from any of the campaigns or the DNC or the vendor - how it can be fixed. This not just a matter of scoring political points for anyone - it's matter of making sure that any systemic problems are solved. Not everything is a PR issue.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)It is a NON-ISSUE, followed by much gnashing of teeth. Just seems silly to me.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)"You are correct. Let's get this over with, it should only take a short time to show how this came about, fix it, and move on."
It is interesting to see how a few people are almost aggressively uninterested in this topic.
MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)murielm99
(30,773 posts)If you ask the average Democrat, you will get a blank look.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)...a full investigation?
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)and the tone of her campaign and of the DNC Chair is that they only want an auditing that narrowly focuses on this one event. Why are Clinton supporters so against this comprehensive auditing is what confounds me. This is there chance for a real breakthrough if they are right.
Nitram
(22,900 posts)...the Sanders campaign and the Democratic Party in general. I've seen no evidence so far that the Clinton campaign has anything to hide. If they do, the same logs that pointed to the Sanders campaign will point to the Clinton campaign.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)You've already decided where all the fault lies.
Maybe, just maybe, we should investigate to get to the truth. Obviously Bernie does not fear the truth coming out.
Hillary supporters? Not so much. They want this to all go away.
BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)But maybe the problem is that the Sanders campaign doesn't think it's an internal fight.
maggies farm
(79 posts)then DWS would have not gone to the press.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Nitram
(22,900 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)litlbilly
(2,227 posts)MeNMyVolt
(1,095 posts)Here, take a look at this.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251932828
A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)Marty McGraw
(1,024 posts)That Lost it's way can be messy Business. Why the need to Jump a shark when one can clean house and reign in all the sharks and show them out.
oasis
(49,426 posts)It figures.
jalan48
(13,894 posts)Robbins
(5,066 posts)it hasn't hurt him at all.
he is one calling for full independent investigation.if he had something to hide why is he doing this?
DWS has proven our point on DNC bias.
Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)Bet there are some very nervous people in the DNC and NGP-VAN.
whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)hill2016
(1,772 posts)wasn't Sanders the one that stole data?
Your wording is wrong. And manipulative.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)anything useful. Now, why won't the DNC / Hillary team have a full independent audit and find out exactly what happened?
I think they didn't expect a lawsuit to be filed and they will be backing away from this. They don't seem to want a full audit. I wonder why?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)libdem4life
(13,877 posts)says it. Yet the longer it stays "live" the better Bernie looks and the more suspicious HRC becomes. I'm sure her supporters wouldn't agree. I'm rooting for Bernie, but HRC is my second choice, regardless.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)Wasn't he supposed some sort of beacon of integrity and honesty?
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)And sometimes it's not easy or pretty.
My feeling is that it is more important to find out all we can, as much truth as we can....no matter who looks bad.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)maybe Sanders can start actually forming a ground game with those millions of donations he's been getting.
But that would involve stopping playing the perpetual victim and actually doing some work. It's much better to just spend that money generating excuses for the drop out.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)We so disagree.
They hit him with a hammer without the appropriate ten day warning...or any warning.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)This whole incident is entirely his staff's own doing, but because Weaver and the other tinfoil hatters can't fathom anything ever simply being their fault, they're attempting to spin this into some grand conspiracy against him.
They violated confidential information, they got caught, they got punished. Next time, they can keep their fucking hands to themselves and take some personal responsibility.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)A Simple Game
(9,214 posts)I suspect you don't know much about databases. I can envision someone using a database the size of this one and not even knowing something is wrong until they start reading their printouts, which they didn't even get in this case. I can also see someone saying "hey this is new, wonder what else is new." There doesn't have to be anything nefarious about any of their actions especially now that it is well known that no one in Bernie's campaign downloaded or printed anything they weren't supposed to have. As for the interns, how did they know they weren't supposed to have any of he material they happened to view?
Nitram
(22,900 posts)And that's why it was reported.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)if you assume that a fully independent and complete investigation will sabotage the DNC and the Democratic Party. Maybe I am being naïve in thinking a fully independent investigation would not sabotage the DNC and the Democratic Party. Maybe there are explanations that might exonerate them - we won't know if we don't look into it. Odd that Bernie's campaign wants all the facts to be thoroughly investigated and publicly announced that anyone would object to that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Cassiopeia
(2,603 posts)I find it quite refreshing.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Now, he wants to find out why the breaches are occurring.
That is being a beacon of integrity and honesty.
NuclearDem
(16,184 posts)are accessing data they shouldn't be.
Firewalls and safeguards failing do not constitute a conspiracy. If they did, then Microsoft is the fucking Illuminati.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)Then read the NGP Van website which states in part:
http://www.snopes.com/bernie-sanders-campaign-data-breach-controversy/
Then NGP Van says the following about it.
First, a one page-style report containing summary data on a list was saved out of VoteBuilder by one Sanders user. This is what some people have referred to as the export from VoteBuilder. As noted below, users were unable to export lists of people.
. . . .
First, no NGP data was impacted by this situation, nor any Action ID or FastAction data. No client websites or web site data were impacted, either. For VAN clients, no myMembers, myWorkers, or myCampaigns data was impacted. The one area that was impacted was voter file data. We are confident at this point that no campaigns have access to or have retained any voter file data of any other clients; with one possible exception, one of the presidential campaigns. NGP VAN is providing a thorough report to the DNC on what happened and conducting a review to ensure the integrity of the system.
. . . .
On Wednesday morning, there was a release of VAN code. Unfortunately, it contained a bug. For a brief window, the voter data that is always searchable across campaigns in VoteBuilder included client scores it should not have, on a specific part of the VAN system. So for voters that a user already had access to, that user was able to search by and view (but not export or save or act on) some attributes that came from another campaign.
. . . .
As soon as we realized that there was an issue, we immediately mobilized our engineers to investigate the source of the issue. While we investigated the issue, we restricted access to affected areas of the VAN product for all users and limited access to data exports. Engineers quickly discovered the problem, and developed a fix.
More
http://blog.ngpvan.com/data-security-and-privacy
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)He wants to take the party over and remake it in his image.
It is time to bring an actual liberal Democrat against him in 2018.
frylock
(34,825 posts)we can't have Bill Clinton's handiwork undone, can we?
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Then go ahead and tell me what "privately" means. I'll be over here, laughing and waiting.
CentralMass
(15,265 posts)RoccoR5955
(12,471 posts)What's good for the goose, is good for the gander.
I only hope that if they find some impropriety in other campaigns, they do the same, or more, because only one candidate reported it.
George II
(67,782 posts)....and, before he goes too far on this, he might want to review his own campaign's activity log during the time that his staffers had access to Clinton's data:
Time State Action
10:59:00 HI Created by Juretsky
11:02:12 AL Logs into AL from Sanders HQ Office IP
11:15:00 AL Searched: HFA Primary Prioritization 7-10
11:25:40 AZ Logs into AZ
Time State Action
10:46:00 TX Creates folder Targets and saved HFA Primary Priority 9-10 as search Not Sanders 9
10:47:00 TX Searched: HFA Primary Priority 0-1
10:48:00 TX Saved list "Not Hilary" into folder "Targets"
10:49:00 TX Searched: HFA Primary Priority 9-10
10:49:00 TX Saved list "Not Sanders" into folder "Targets"
10:52:07 NH Logs into NH
10:56:00 NH Searched: 2016:HFA Combined Persuasion 80-100
10:57:00 NH Created folder "Ranged Targets" and saved list "Persuasion 80-100"
10:57:45 HI Logs into HI
11:01:00 HI Creates user csmith_bernie
11:07:00 HI Creates user csanchez_bernie
11:09:48 NH Logs into NH
11:13:00 NH Searched: HFA Turnout 60-100
11:13:00 NH Saved list "Turout 60+" into folder "Ranged Targets"
11:15:00 NH Searched: HFA Turnout 40-60
11:17:00 NH Saved list "Turnout 40-60" into folder "Ranged Targets"
11:22:00 NH Searched: HFA Support 50-100
11:23:00 NH Saved list "Not Sanders" into folder "Ranged Targets"
11:23:35 OH Logs into OH
11:26:00 OH Grants full VF access to javiergNV
11:27:27 NH Logs into NH
11:27:38 NH Attempts to run a search. At this point cannot access page sections.
11:41:17 NH Hits counts and cross tabs 4 times
Time State Action
10:40:00 SC Searched: HFA Support 70+
10:41:00 SC Created folder "Data Team"
10:41:00 SC Saved list "Support 70+" into "Data Team" folder
10:41:00 SC Searched: HFA Support <30
10:42:00 SC Saved list Support -30 into Data Team folder
10:43:00 SC Searched: HFA Turnout 70+
10:44:00 SC Saved list Turnout 70+ into Data Team folder
10:45:00 SC Searched: HFA Turnout <30
10:45:00 SC Saved list "Turnout -30" into "Data Team" folder
10:46:00 SC Searched: HFA Turnout 30-70
10:46:00 SC Saved list "Turnout 30-69.99" into "Data Team" folder
10:47:00 SC Searched: HFA Support 30-70
10:47:00 SC Saved list "Support 30.01-69.99" into "Data Team" folder
10:47:56 SC Switched to Iowa voter file
10:49:00 IA Searched: HFA Support 70+
10:49:00 IA Created folder "Data Team"
10:49:00 IA Saved list "Support 70+" into "Data Team" folder
10:52:00 IA Searched: HFA Support <30
10:53:00 IA Saved list Support -30 into Data Team folder
10:53:00 IA Created folders "HFA" and "HFA -30" but didn't put anything into them
10:54:00 IA Searched: HFA Support 30-70
10:55:00 IA Saved list "Support 30.01-69.99" into "Data Team" folder
Apparent session timeout
11:25:35 IA Suppressed folder "HFA" and "HFA -30"
11:27 SC Logged in, clicked into folders and saved lists and searches. Didn't generate anything.
11:31:00 NV Logged into NV, ran a search on Sanders committee SQs, exported list
11:37:41 IA Logged into IA
11:41:00 IA Granted access to users UretskyJ and anikseresht to folder "Data Team"
11:54:00 IA Granted access to users HawleyBrett and talani to folder "Data Team"
12:14:55 IA Logged in to IA but did not touch those folders or lists Time State Action
10:43 CO Logs into CO
10:43 CO Access Create A List - takes no action
10:45 AL Logs into AL
10:49 AL Searched: HFA Primary Priority>=9
10:50 AL Searched: HFA Primary Priority>=9
10:51 AL Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization9+ into it
10:51 AL Shares Data Team Folder with users rdrapkinNH and UretskyJ
10:54 AR Logs into AR
10:55 CO Logs into CO
10:59 CO Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
10:59 CO Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization9+ into it
10:59 AR Logs into AR
11:02 AR Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
11:02 AR Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization9+ into it
11:02 FL Logs into FL
11:08 FL Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
11:08 FL Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization9+ into it
11:10 VA Logs into VA
11:12 VA Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=9
11:12 VA Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization9+ into it
11:12 UT Logs into UT
11:15 UT Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=8
11:16 UT Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization8+ into it
11:19 TX Logs into TX
11:19 TX Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=8
11:19 TX Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization8+ into it
11:19 TN Logs into TN
11:21 TN Searched: HFA Primary Priority >=8
11:21 TN Creates Folder Data Team and Saves list Prioritization8+ into it
11:22 OK Logs into OK
11:22 OK Access Create A List - takes no action
11:24 OH Logs into OH
11:25 OH Access Create A List - takes no action
11:26 TX Logs into TX
11:26 TX Access Create A List - takes no action
11:51 VA Logs into VA
11:51 VA Runs an innocuous BU (call vendor data from outside source)
12:21 TX Logs into TX
12:22 TX Access Create A List - takes no action
12:24 TX Runs an innocuous BU (call vendor data from outside source)
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to run in a partisan primary ... the Independent has no problem burning down the partisan house.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Then I must not be one either, though I have voted every election as a Democrat.
litlbilly
(2,227 posts)like me I re registered as a dem so I could vote in the primaries in Oregon.
Paka
(2,760 posts)who did just that as well. I gave them a push and made sure they re-registered for the primary.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)No one can contest that Bernie has spent his entire political career as an Independent, not a partisan Democrat. He, therefore, and for better or worse, has no affinity to the party.
That is just a simple fact.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)Shouldn't we have confidence that the DNC is using its resources in an ethical fashion?
There is also a question of contract law here.
Your objections don't make any sense.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #248)
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)If you don't give a shit about the Democratic Party, than why are you here on this site.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Very cute though.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)and through investigation will damage the DNC and the Democratic Party. Are the DNC and the Democratic Party really that bad?
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Something away from defeating the Republicans.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)in the effort to defeat Republicans. Ignoring any possible systemic problems can only lead to further problemsIf the DNC, the Democratic Party and Hillary's campaign did nothing wrong an independent auditing would show. If only the Sanders campaign did anything wrong an independent auditing would reveal that as well. Odd that the Sanders campaign wants to be held accountable for their actions while some others are giving the impression that they don't.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)An allegation doesn't make it so.
Further, perhaps, the Bernie Campaign should have cooperated in the requested audit ... oh, that's right ... they hadn't told Bernie of their putting their hand in the cookie jar ... let alone having been caught.
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)I made no allegations. I stated a fact. Facts aren't negotiable.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The contract language is public, the fact of the matter is the DNC was not in breach.
And, again, the whole question could have been avoided, if: the ex and suspended staffers hadn't attempted the queries; or, once caught, the campaign had cooperated.
frylock
(34,825 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)joshcryer
(62,277 posts)Think about it, being deposed a day or two before a big campaign, to be asked whether he knew about the actions of his staffers? It will be dropped. This is just Weaver being silly again.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)The suit would be dismissed upon motion.
But yes ... I agree, this would be poor time management.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)It damn sure can't help Sanders in any way, though, Weaver is half cocked. I think this is him testing the waters for dropping the lawsuit. Sanders' fans (not supporters, just people who are anti-Clinton) probably won't like it.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)Sanders isn't going to get the nomination in any case and if this turns into Whitewater MMXVI it can help the GOP in November.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)I knew the minute I heard the news last summer that they were letting Sanders participate without any clear commitment to the party that they were asking for trouble and trouble they're getting. I still can't fathom why the DNC would make such a move.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)And, as we all know ... no good deed goes unpunished.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)Right??
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts){Sighhh}
frylock
(34,825 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Sorry about the villagers.
ViseGrip
(3,133 posts)FloriTexan
(838 posts)Purveyor
(29,876 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,730 posts)Why does DWS always look like she has not slept in a week?
Ed Suspicious
(8,879 posts)redstateblues
(10,565 posts)That's part of what fuels his campaign.
R B Garr
(16,993 posts)deflect from his own campaign's malfeasance. It's quite a performance.
PufPuf23
(8,842 posts)revealed in a fair investigation.
DWS/RNC made an error in judgment by blocking Sanders access to database, going to the media, and rapidly backing down when challenged by Sanders.
DWS/DNC damaged the Democratic Party by what could have been an in house problem in what appears a blatant attempt to harm the Sanders campaign.
The ploy has backfired and harmed Sanders, Clinton, and the Democratic Party.
katmondoo
(6,457 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,858 posts)BlueCheese
(2,522 posts)I was willing to write the whole thing off as the shortsighted error of a few staffers, and an overreaction by his top campaign aides in going on the offensive when they were clearly in the wrong. I was willing to dissociate Sanders himself from the behavior of his campaign.
But if they proceed with this, even after an agreement with the DNC that restores their access, and after apologizing publicly for their behavior, then I will have no choice but to assume that Sanders personally condones this kind of destructive, confrontational approach with the party.
I personally do not want to destroy the party to save it.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)If there is a problem, then the DNC can fix it. If there isn't, then the Clinton campaign has a very powerful tool to soundly defeat Bernie Sanders.
This is a win-win situation, and only hurts Clinton if she truly is unfit to be Commander-In-Chief. If she is unfit, then we dodge a bullet. If Bernie is completely off his rocker in calling for this investigation, then we dodge that bullet.
I find your attitude that such an investigation is only a "destructive, confrontational approach" incredulous.
It is a constructive cooperative approach that will make us a better party.
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)What did Bernie know, and when did he know it?
I'm not at all sure that the answers to those questions will do him any good.
blackspade
(10,056 posts)I hope the other two join the suit as well.
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)throughout this whole thing? Martin O'Malley. I thought that if Bernie wasn't running I might support him. My opinion of him has plummeted as this is something that affects his campaign also.
Paka
(2,760 posts)He's acting like a coward through all of this.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)But it is a very interesting point which I will commence to think about now.
LuvNewcastle
(16,858 posts)He isn't going to rock the boat. It's disappointing, but not surprising.
randome
(34,845 posts)It wouldn't make sense.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
joshcryer
(62,277 posts)The very fact that he's throwing it out there is proof.
Wonder how quick Sanders/Weaver will go under the bus when they drop the lawsuit?
The lawyers know the lawsuit is a loser, they can't win it.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)There are other things I wish hadn't been let go of. 2000...... 2004......
postatomic
(1,771 posts)Sounds like someone is thinking about how to appease their supporters once they are eliminated from the Primaries. It couldn't possibly be anything that Senator Sanders did... it was.... the DNC!!!.... yea, that's it..... the DNC stole the election.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Whether you like it or not.
postatomic
(1,771 posts)It is the Season for Glad Tidings and all that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)don't want Hillary investigated.
Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)at Sanders campaign. Why is anyone against that?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Douglas Carpenter
(20,226 posts)leader beyond reproach - surely an independent audit and investigation that closely examines all the facts will prove that. Strange though that since many of them insist that only Bernie's campaign did anything wrong - that Bernie's campaign wants this independent and thorough investigation and audit while many Hillary supporters are against it. If they are right about Hillary and the DNC and Bernie's campaign - an independent audit will prove them right.
Do they know (or at least suspect) something that we don't?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)The hypocrisy around here is unbelievable.
BeanMusical
(4,389 posts)underthematrix
(5,811 posts)The power coalition is not the DNC, Debbie WS or HRC or Sanders or O'Malley. The Sanders' campaign violated DNC rules by accessing the Clinton campaign proprietary data. One staffer was fired and two were suspended. The DNC returned access to Sander's campaign on Friday. It's time to move on. This is not good for our down ticket candidates.
Damn, the Obama/Clinton primary race was nasty but this takes the nastiness to a whole new level. Too bad.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)and that they tried hard and failed to set Bernie up. What is it you don't want to come out?
AzDar
(14,023 posts)need to hide, of course.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Bernie wasn't born yesterday and he is on to their dirty tricks.
Babel_17
(5,400 posts)This development was inconceivable. lol
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Sanders' campaign reported the breach months ago. No way should they drop the lawsuit, the Hillary campaign isn't going to press for an investigation that's certain and DWS will do all she can to prevent one.
Good for Bernie, they should not have messed with him that way.
Tortmaster
(382 posts)Erratic actions like suing the Democratic Party is sure to drive up his negatives, but he will win the internet!
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Legally. He is not afraid of the findings, are you?
Tortmaster
(382 posts)... has been done to save face. He filed a lawsuit (and is continuing with it) to save face. He is demanding an "independent audit" to save face. He even made reckless accusations against the Clinton campaign during the debate to save face.
All of this face-saving is going to cost the Democratic Party lots of money and time. Money and time that it could spend against Republicans.
Bizarre and erratic behavior.
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Tortmaster
(382 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,178 posts)Even if that is the reason. Its a political campaign. "face" is a crucial element in winning. Why should Sanders just drop it when the MSM and Debbie WS has done a hit-and-run and raised false doubts about Bernie's integrity?
And you cannot spin the fact that Bernie wants a thorough audit. If he was truly guilty, in the know, etc...his best course of "saving face" would have been to apologize, fire someone, and ignore it and hope it went away.
The fact that this door was open for both camps, and that it was the Sanders campaign that alerted them about this open door months ago, and finally had to demonstrate it for them just to get their attention, raises questions for me about just how long the Clinton campaign had been enjoying this open door, and who set it up for them. It seems it could very well be that they were so pissed at the Sanders campaign for spoiling their carefully set up eves dropping that they lashed out and turned it around on him.
I'd like to know just how this whole thing started. Suddenly its the Hillies that want to drop it. Speaks volumes.
frylock
(34,825 posts)to, you know, save face.
frylock
(34,825 posts)not so much with independents.
gordyfl
(598 posts)Hillary will apologize to Bernie Sanders.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)oasis
(49,426 posts)JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)you wouldn't be trying to change the narrative would you?
If he stole it, then lets get federal cybercrimes involved and get ALL of it out in the open, what'd'ya'say?
randome
(34,845 posts)The problem is resolved by Sanders firing the aide who stole the data and getting his access restored. There's nothing more to fight about in the real world. On DU, however...
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)Let's open it ALL up and have a look.
randome
(34,845 posts)So far we have evidence that some of Sanders' staffers obtained data they were not supposed to have. That's been resolved.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
DisgustipatedinCA
(12,530 posts)They'll have their day in court.
randome
(34,845 posts)There was a 'temporary suspension' until matters were sorted out. There is a big difference there and I doubt the lawsuit will go anywhere. But that's just my opinion.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Everything is a satellite to some other thing.[/center][/font][hr]
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)He simply can't be done housecleaning yet.
Faux pas
(14,695 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)completed. As he knows his supporters do not like behind the door deals when accusations have been made. Find out exactly what went on and let the chips fall where they may.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)That's the only fact we know because it was admitted by Sanders.
It's not entrapment, as some are suggesting. The staffer yielded to temptation.
The legal case is nothing but red meat for Sanders' supporters.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)whereisjustice
(2,941 posts)to soak up this stinky mess...
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)him in the press, I guess.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)randys1
(16,286 posts)but I could recall it wrong, it was today