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JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 01:37 AM Dec 2015

A question to my fellow primary voters: Do you believe in the oath of office of the President?

Let me add the oath below to remind (I expect most of us don't know the oath by memory), and the emphasis is mine:

Before he enter on the Execution of his Office, he shall take the following Oath or Affirmation:—"I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."


Source: http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html

We now have a primary candidate (two actually, Trump as well) who is openly dismissive of the First Amendment, specifically the Freedom of Speech. How can we as Americans in good conscience vote to nominate and elect anyone who is unrepentantly defiant of, and opposed to protecting, the bill of rights to the constitution, yet still seeks to take the oath of office of These United States?

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This is a serious question to all my fellow Democratic voters who plan to vote in these upcoming primaries and caucuses. I await serious answers.
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A question to my fellow primary voters: Do you believe in the oath of office of the President? (Original Post) JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 OP
Yes. bvf Dec 2015 #1
Same fear game, give up your rights or they will come and kill you aspirant Dec 2015 #2
For President? No thanks. senz Dec 2015 #3
Etcetera..like the fourth amendment too? aidbo Dec 2015 #4
All of them - except the second amendment. Betty Karlson Dec 2015 #5
It's an attempt to lump the bill of rights in with other looney "impractical" ways of governing JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #6
More thoughts on the subject. aidbo Dec 2015 #7
The 4th is already long gone. The Patriot Act was the final nail in the coffin n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #19
Last week she didn't know what "wiping" a server meant. Now she's an expert on encrypted apps. Scuba Dec 2015 #8
+1. nt awoke_in_2003 Dec 2015 #17
You are primarily concerned with the 2nd amendment...not the 1st. nt LexVegas Dec 2015 #9
I am?? This OP is about the 1st amendment and her flagrant disregard for its protections. n/t JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #13
damn it Hillary retrowire Dec 2015 #10
she is making it REALLY hard restorefreedom Dec 2015 #18
When a politician assumes our vote is guaranteed, they have no incentive to earn it n/t arcane1 Dec 2015 #20
thats why i think the discussion restorefreedom Dec 2015 #23
To be blunt with you, the Constitution declares the right to equal treatment under the law for Bluenorthwest Dec 2015 #11
The Constitution declares many things; I am observing here one specific high-profile failure JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #12
Kick, this needs to be seen more. JonLeibowitz Dec 2015 #14
This piddle is not making too many friends in the IT world. Fawke Em Dec 2015 #15
Yeah, she's going to pay dearly for this one. First she votes against flag burning, now... in_cog_ni_to Dec 2015 #21
Is this a trick question? firebrand80 Dec 2015 #16
Nah, okasha Dec 2015 #22
 

bvf

(6,604 posts)
1. Yes.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:07 AM
Dec 2015

Last edited Fri Dec 11, 2015, 07:16 AM - Edit history (1)

Clearly, it's been broken in the past, but never before (to my knowledge) have we had a candidate so up-front with such a dismissive opinion about its importance.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
6. It's an attempt to lump the bill of rights in with other looney "impractical" ways of governing
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 06:18 AM
Dec 2015

Respect for the constitution is apparently impractical, is what she is telling me.

When she said she and her supporters say she "likes to get things done" there was never a guarantee of what she would do. It's like Scarecrow's character from The Dark Knight says:

Buyer beware. I told you (I) would take you places. I never said they'd be places you wanted to go.
 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
8. Last week she didn't know what "wiping" a server meant. Now she's an expert on encrypted apps.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:23 AM
Dec 2015

Got it.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
10. damn it Hillary
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 08:47 AM
Dec 2015

you're making it harder and harder everyday for me to accept you.

I'm voting Bernie in the primary, but if you win, don't make this harder on me.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
18. she is making it REALLY hard
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 05:02 PM
Dec 2015

if someone told me she didn't want the bernie votes, i could almost believe it, its that hard now.

restorefreedom

(12,655 posts)
23. thats why i think the discussion
Sat Dec 12, 2015, 04:40 AM
Dec 2015

of who to vote for in the ge is a healthy one, despite the fact that it makes some uncomfortable. none of the candidates should assume they will just have the votes, but i think one of them is making such an assumption.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
11. To be blunt with you, the Constitution declares the right to equal treatment under the law for
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 10:04 AM
Dec 2015

all Americans and yet thus far we have not had a single nominee who has upheld that principle while running for office or while serving in other offices, they have each described groups of people who they felt should be deprived of specific rights and liberties, denied certain benefits and privileges and they have each done this with great certainty and often in the name of the deity they claim to worship.

So, the Constitution, I've never seen it function for all in the way you suggest it has.

JonLeibowitz

(6,282 posts)
12. The Constitution declares many things; I am observing here one specific high-profile failure
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 12:34 PM
Dec 2015

I would be very interested in reading your OP on some other topics; I feel this is an under-discussed area of electing a president: actually following the constitution.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
15. This piddle is not making too many friends in the IT world.
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 02:38 PM
Dec 2015

I first read about it through a blog I read for work.

in_cog_ni_to

(41,600 posts)
21. Yeah, she's going to pay dearly for this one. First she votes against flag burning, now...
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:09 PM
Dec 2015

this. Doesn't sit well with anyone, except her 9% supporters on DU. Apparently, losing rights is peachy keen.

HRH:

No Free Speech

No Flag Burning

Loves Prisons for Profits

Voted for the Bankruptcy Bill which disproportionately affects women and children

Voted for the IWR

LOVES war, war, war and more war - can't get enough blood on her hands.

Her Biggest donors are WALL ST. THIEVES who stole $12.8 TRILLION if OUR tax dollars in a bailout for their CRIMES, which go UNPUNISHED.

Supports the TPP

Supports the XL PIPELINE

Supports FRACKING

Supports Corporate Tax Loopholes

No FREE College Education for ALL qualified students

No expanding Social Security

No Medicare for all

Supports GMOs and MONSANTO


PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

okasha

(11,573 posts)
22. Nah,
Fri Dec 11, 2015, 11:35 PM
Dec 2015

it's the Meme of the Day. The OP and at least one other poster opened their sealed instructions at midnight, read and burned them. Hence the proliferating "Hillary equals Trump" posts today.

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