And Bernie Sanders compared a neighborhood to a 3rd World Country.

[nc4bo]

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/maryland/politics/bs-md-sanders-baltimore-20151207-story.html

"Anyone who took the walk that we took around this neighborhood would not think you're in a wealthy nation," Sanders told reporters at the Freddie Gray Empowerment Center. "You would think that you were in a Third World country."

Yes he did!

He also said:

"It is very expensive to be poor," Sanders told the group of pastors. "I didn't see a decent grocery store around here. So what are moms feeding their kids?"

Exactly Senator Sanders - thank you. These people living in what has been compared to a 3rd World Country have ZERO fucks to give about ISIS. They exist in hundreds of different cities. It was THEIR time with the Senator.

Fuck the reporters for being assholes.

There is a time and a place...

http://www.npr.org/2015/12/08/458926818/sanders-campaign-to-reporters-dont-ask-about-isis?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=politics&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews

"Of course I'll talk about ISIS. But today what we're talking about is a community in which half of the people don't have jobs. We're talking about a community in which there are hundreds of buildings that are uninhabitable," he said. "We're talking about a community where kids are unable to go to schools that are decent. You wanna ask me about ISIS, we'll talk about ISIS. But what I said, and let me repeat — and you can agree with me or not — what I have said is that obviously ISIS and terrorism are a huge national issue that we've got to address. But so is poverty ... so is unemployment, so is education, so is health care. So is the need to protect working families.

"And I will, I will continue to talk about those issues. Thank you very much."

And lastly Fuck MSM for being douchebags and carrying neocon water.

[leftofcool]

1. But the constant questions to Hillary about emails was okay?

For six months the media bombarded Hillary with questions about emails, not about policies, stupid fucking emails. And what did Bernie supporters says..............."answer the questions, Hillary." You know what? If Bernie gets questions about ISIS, to bad! If he won't answer them that his his problem. And it is definitely going to be a problem for him.

[nc4bo]

2. Apples and oranges but you already knew that.

Those pastors could give 0 fucks about emails or ISIS.

[leftofcool]

7. But the OP wasn't about pastors was it?

It was about how bad the media is treating poor Bernie.

[nc4bo]

8. Was he not there to tour the city and meet with pastors? nt

[A Simple Game]

27. Why yes, according to the article he was there to tour the city and meet with pastors.

But the media as usual try to divert the subject to something that may play into Hillary's hands. It has become quite obvious to anyone that cares to pay attention.

[bvar22]

35. YES. It was.

It was about Bernie visiting a blighted area and discussing these conditions with the group of pastors,
or did we read different OPs?

The OP included two mainstream links:
1)The Baltimore Sun

2)NPR

Did you bother to check the links?
.
.
.
.
Thought not, but feel free to post unsubstantiated and unsupported attacks on the messenger instead of finding out what Bernie actually DID and SAID.

[rhett o rick]

81. What's funny is that the Corp-Media has decided to support HRC. They recognize that the

Republicons are crazy and the next best thing is a conservative Democrat that will support the Corptocracy.

[tecelote]

90. Yes. Totally agree.

Every Republican is a crazy wildcard.

Hillary is their pick because she will work for those who pay her.

[pnwmom]

25. Which is the point. Why weren't more progressives speaking out about the media's

harping on the issues instead of the REAL issues Hillary wants to address?

Poverty, racism, children's welfare, etc.

hillaryclinton.org

[tex-wyo-dem]

87. I'll agree with you to a point, but...

The email thingy was a personal issue that Hillary had that happens to be being investigated by the FBI and was based on a really stupid risk Hillary took with the personal email server (really bad judgment, if you ask me). Of course the media is going to fixate on such a gotcha issue.

ISIS is in no way a personal issue for Bernie, it just happens to be the issue of the day or week or whatever the fuck the one track minded media seems to want to harp on. Totally inappropriate question for the venue on poverty in AA neighborhoods in Baltimore, which Bernie was discussing.

[pnwmom]

88. The state department non-classified system was barely functional and no previous

secretary of state had bothered with it. She used her own system with Obama's tacit approval -- not secretly.

So she made a mistake, but it is an excusable one given the context. What good was a state dept system that couldn't be used when she was traveling?

And it was the state dept's server that was subject to massive leaks by Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden -- not Hillary's.

[questionseverything]

119. when the clintons reformed welfare

they ruined the safety net poor women had....cash assistance is very difficult to receive now and requires poor people to "volunteer" 30 hours a week in illinois

so after finding someone to watch their kids and riding the bus across town to "volunteer" for 120 hours a month they receive less than 3 bucks an hour

i am terrified of hc "addressing" anything else, we do not need anymore of that kind of help

[Jester Messiah]

51. It's not about issues, it's about creating an immediate diversion to comfortable ground.

HEY, LOOK OVER THERE! Uh..., what were we talking about?

[The Blue Pot]

112. Kinda like this?

[gordyfl]

114. Apples & Oranges

Bernie doesn't have an email problem.

[zalinda]

4. He did say "enough of the emails"

got to give him credit, he sticks to his message.

Z

[Autumn]

5. Yes it was. Hillary herself created that e mail situation she's a smart woman and

she knows how the GOP operates.

[A Simple Game]

30. It could also be argued that Hillary helped create the ISIS situation too.

But I don't suppose Hillary supporters want to debate that issue either.

[nyabingi]

122. You're absolutely right

Her State Department involvement is Libya was all about regime change there and using weapons taken from Libya to give to the jihadists being brought in to fight against the Syrian government. The Republicans were questioning her (and wasting time) about the American deaths that happened there when they (and the Democrats) should have been asking her to explain exactly what they were doing there in the first place.

Like you said, no one wants to debate that though.

[Politicalboi]

13. Bernie can answer questions on ISIS

Just not at that moment. You guys seem to think since he's not taking any ISIS questions, he has no idea who they are. So it's Bernie fault that Hillary had to answer questions about e-mails. He himself said he didn't care about those damned e-mails, what more do you want. Bernie can answer questions on ISIS. It's Hillary that isn't over answering questions about e-mails. She's your candidate not mine. It's Hillary's baggage not ours.

[JDPriestly]

28. Bernie said he would answer the questions about ISIS but not in that place or at that

time. And Bernie was right.

Hillary could have done and I believe did the same thing.

The MSM will continue to ask Bernie about ISIS when he is focusing on something else just as they continued to ask Hillary about her e-mails.

But there is a major difference. Bernie did not cause the ISIS problem. Hillary did cause her own e-mail problem.

That is a major difference. ISIS is one of many issues that Bernie is talking about and dealing with. Hillary needed to deal with the e-mail issue because it was hers alone, of her making and was a topic that only she could really discuss in depth.

Apples and oranges.

All questions will be answered. Bernie is good at answering questions. What he said in Baltimore was so refreshing.

The media cares more about what happens in Syria than what happens in America's urban communities, Baltimore being a prime example.

What is going on in Detroit these days? What is going on in New York City? In Baltimore? In Los Angeles? in Miami?

Because the early primaries are in smaller states that have no major US cities, our political conversation is normally skewed toward the problems of rural America. In fact it is our big cities that need more attention right now. Las Vegas is fairly large but does not have the problems that our largest cities have.

I'm so glad that Bernie went to Baltimore and is drawing attention to the blight in that city.

[bvar22]

36. The creation of ISIS is due more to Hillary's WarMongering on Iraq,

and the destruction of Libya than ANYTHING Bernie has ever done.
That blood isn't on HIS hands.

[JDPriestly]

78. Very true.

[kath]

79. Absofuckinlutely.

[left lowrider]

66. . .and Bernie alone had the political courage to suggest that the press should discuss

more than just the emails

[blackspade]

89. This Sanders Supporter called bullshit on the e-mails the whole time.

So spare me your self-righteous indignation about her fucking e-mails.
YOU are the one bringing that tired bullshit up again.
If you want the e-mail bullshit to fall away, I suggest YOU quit bringing it the fuck up.

[artislife]

94. Roll eyes.

[Enthusiast]

102. Funny how "you guys" always get the first post in effectively derailing the entire discussion.

[awoke_in_2003]

116. No, not at all

And I have said more than once that Benghazi and the email thing was nothing but a bullshit witch hunt.

[bigtree]

3. looking forward to his tour of poor neighborhoods in his own state

...now that he's done using poor neighborhoods in Baltimore as his campaign prop.

[nc4bo]

6. His message includes the economy.

Surprisingly many do not know that.

Imagine that.

[cali]

9. He's often done that here in vermont

He's not using poor neighbourhoods in Maryland for some nefarious purpose as YOU imply. Senator Sanders concern for the poor is hardly some new phenomenon. He's been saying these things and working on these problems for decades.

But you know that and that is what makes your comment so disturbing.

[HerbChestnut]

10. This is honestly the first time that an O'Malley supporter has disappointed me

Bigtree, really? Is it any different than visiting farmers in Iowa to talk about agricultural issues or machinists in Detroit to talk about lost jobs?

[bigtree]

40. let's pretend this wasn't a campaign prop to embarass O'Malley

...I suppose it's a good thing there's a campaign to motivate a sitting Senator to highlight the poverty there.

I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for Sanders to make a difference in my state, even if elected president. I would, however, expect that he make an issue of the poverty in his own state...or, maybe not. After all, this is a presidential campaign. Wouldn't want to highlight problems close to his own home.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

70. You think Sanders used black people as "props"?

That's a pretty big allegation.

[Freddie Stubbs]

106. Well, it's not like there are many of them to begin with

[Armstead]

11. For Sanders it's a campaign prop. But what about if Clinton or O'Malley do it?

Jezzus the double standards here are amazing.

Your cynicism also shows you know very little about Sanders and what he really cares about. He doesnlt just do this stuff for effect as a presidential candidate. It's what he does because he gives a shit.

[bigtree]

41. you mean if O'Malley went to Vermont's poor neighborhoods

...and brought the media there to listen to him cluck his tongue about the poor conditions in his back yard?

[Armstead]

44. If he's running for president he ought to go to other states too

[bigtree]

46. I'm not so naive

...as to believe this wasn't an election stunt aimed at his rival in this campaign.

Again, Vermont's poor neighborhoods would have been a good place for the Vermont Senator, former Vermont mayor to have visited and labeled as akin to a 'Third World Country,' as he did in O'Malley's Baltimore.

[Armstead]

61. No you're so cynical that you can't believe....

there is actually a politician who cares about such things on a personal level.

Yeah sure it's also politics,. And that's why I fund your attitude so offsnsive. Bernie does it and its awful. When O'Malley or Clinton do similar things, that's just fine. Politics as usual.

[mattvermont]

64. bigtree, there is indeed real bad poverty

in my fine state, but I think you would be hard pressed to find anything as institutionalized as you see in urban america. people are perhaps suffering no less here, but the magnitude and the solutions are quite different.

[Recursion]

75. That last bit is a good point

but the magnitude and the solutions are quite different.

I grant "magnitude" in that the communities are smaller, but places like Ferdinand or Averill are basically 100% poor.

But, yeah: the solutions needed are much, much different.

I think some of us are pissed that this was a pretty blatant thumb in O'Malley's eye, when Vermont itself has problems that are in many ways comparable.

[Fawke Em]

85. The ministers invited him. Geez.

Sanders was engulfed by media as he walked through the Sandtown-Winchester neighborhood of Baltimore. He was invited to the center of last spring’s riot by local ministers.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/12/08/bernie-sanders-to-stop-in-baltimore/

[questionseverything]

120. odd how they don't seem to see ur post

[frylock]

15. Weak sauce.

[Doctor_J]

16. candidates should only campaign among billionaires! stay out of poor neighborhoods!

Sanders wants to rescue Baltimore from poverty. Clinton wants to rescue Exxon Mobil from paying taxes.

You hillarians get more revolting by the day.

[bigtree]

42. no poor people in Vermont

...for his campaign backdrop?

[AgingAmerican]

108. So you don't want issues discussed

[Recursion]

57. He could have gone to Averill or Ferdinand or Searsburg, which are poorer than Sandtown

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_locations_by_per_capita_income

[Ed Suspicious]

20. Last I checked those streets are open to all the candidates. I think the pastors said they invited

all candidates, Republican and Democrat to join them for a tour. Bernie took them up on it. Good for him. To hell with your cynicism.

[m-lekktor]

22. because the only thing that matters is it might make your candidate look bad.

nice priority.

[A Simple Game]

32. So according to you a U. S. Senator should only be concerned about his own state? n/t

[bigtree]

43. where's he been?

...did he just get elected?

He just discovered Baltimore? Nothing to do with his opponent in this election?

I love the concern being expressed here. It's a Christmas campaign miracle!

[A Simple Game]

104. The only way you would love the concern expressed would be

if you were in front of a mirror.

By the way, where's the war monger been lately? Meetings with BLM? She's been pretty quiet hasn't she?

[rhett o rick]

37. Your post doesn't make sense. What difference does it make which poor communities

he uses to show that we have massive poverty in this country. And while he is trying to draw attention, something the Corp-Media ignores, HRC supporters attack him for not talking about ISIS. 50,000,000 Americans, 16,000,000 of them children live in poverty and HRC supporters are saying, "Hey look over there at ISIS." How can a Democrat ignore the poverty levels in this country.

Equally disgusting is that we have the highest rate of infant mortality of all modern nations. A vote for the status quo will see more infants die that could be saved, except the corrupt billionaire bought government wants profits.

[Trajan]

76. Never seen this meanness before

gone forever ...

[Fawke Em]

83. He was invited by the pastors to come.

So much for the "prop" meme.

[artislife]

95. Do you think it was just the poverty

or maybe the "incident" that took place there having some bearing on why that neighborhood?

[tazkcmo]

109. Look forward to Hillary

doing it. Ever.

[SammyWinstonJack]

115. OMG!

[FlatBaroque]

12. The MSM are simply different arms of the same monster

f them, indeed



..i.,

[peacebird]

14. Exactly, he is talking about what matters most to average americans...

[Juicy_Bellows]

17. Kick and Rec

[UglyGreed]

18. Yep

people in that type of neighborhood don't have super PACS so their struggles do not count. Let's talk about ISIS which we have a hand in creating and MIC contractors are so happy about.......

[Eko]

19. Bernie is right where he needs to be and doing what he should.

What will change our country for the better? Killing ISIS or getting rid of poverty?.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

21. I'm expecting his rival to claim that's racist.

[Fast Walker 52]

26. yeah, I was sort of expecting the OP to go there

but thankfully it went in the other direction.

[Recursion]

52. I suppose I went there downthread, though it is more "tone deaf" than "racist"

Particularly since he's making a good point about rent.

Remember after Katrina the rage at evacuees being called "refugees"? It's like that.

[Jackilope]

23. So proud to support Sanders. He is ...

... addressing what needs to be addressed.

More people in poverty is more in terms of casualties than chances of being hurt by Isis. (A group that came about by W/Cheney/Rumsfeld and greed and war profiteering).

We need 60 more of Sanders in the Democratic Party and less GOP Lite.

Our media is dismal. This is what should be on the news, not the crap Trump spews.

[Lazy Daisy]

24. it's very costly to be poor.

How many banks do you find in impoverished neighborhoods? There are plenty of pawn shops, pay day loans, currency exchanges, etc. but no banks. All predatory. His push to have the USPS become an outlet for banking is equally important.

You are correct Mr. Sanders, it's very costly to be poor.

[questionseverything]

118. his point about groceries is spot on too

the small groceries in the inner city charge twice as much and have nothing to pick from

to make fs go farther is difficult for those without cars

[jkbRN]

29. Thank you for this

And lastly Fuck MSM for being douchebags and carrying neocon water.

[joshcryer]

31. rent as a drain on resources is exactly the right message

The democrats realized this with opening up ownership via fanny nae and Freddie Mac, which is why the GOP killed it with the sub prime crisis

(yes the dems got played because they allowed for deregulation but they had the right idea, just got gamed imo)

[Recursion]

53. He compared the least poor and least unequal majority-black city in the US to a 3rd world country

A city that, again, is less poor and less unequal than Burlington.

The fact that he was making a valid point about capital and rent doesn't make that messaging any better.

[Buzz Clik]

33. (the secret word is "fuck")

[merrily]

34. Bernie, refusing to be a stooge for the msm

[MrMickeysMom]

38. And many, many, many are in full agreement...

You just have to get out of DC once in a while...

[azmom]

39. Yay Bernie.

[Recursion]

45. Baltimore has lower poverty and lower inequality than Burlington

http://www.civicdashboards.com/city/baltimore-md-16000US2404000/

http://www.civicdashboards.com/city/burlington-vt-16000US5010675/

It's actually pretty much a success story as Rust Belt cities go. Its poverty rate is below the national rate and the national urban average (and lower than Burlington's), and its Gini index is comparable to Portland and Seattle (and lower than Burlington's).

[nc4bo]

47. There should not be ANY poverty in this country. None. Zip.

That there should be a pissing contest on which city, neighborhood, village, whatever is the poorest or most dilapidated .....damn, I can't even begin to describe how disgusting and petty that is.

WE can do better.

If only our nation's priorities weren't so completely out of balance, perhaps there would be some meaningful change.

[bigtree]

49. you're completely ignoring the campaign politics practiced in this visit

...I'm searching for a similar visit by Sanders to a poor neighborhood in his OWN state - one where he described a neighborhood in his own backyard as a 'third world country.'

I daresay, his rebuke of Baltimore can stand a comparison to his own constituency's turf.

[bigtree]

48. +1

[ForgoTheConsequence]

54. Wrong.

Life expectancy in West Baltimore is 68 years old (lower than many 3rd world countries)

Unemployment is 64% among Black males.

Poverty is 50%.



If we're looking at outcomes it isn't too far off from 3rd world/developing.

[Recursion]

55. The poverty rate in Baltimore is 11.3%

Would a click through to the data have been that difficult?

David Simon is not reality.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

56. We're talking about WEST BALTIMORE.

The neighborhood he visited. Is it a foreign concept to you that people can live in absolute poverty in one neighborhood and enjoy wealth in the next? Poverty is highly concentrated in Baltimore, this isn't a secret.


In 2010, Baltimore had 55 high-poverty census tracts. Only one formerly high-poverty tract (colored green on the City Observatory map) fully rebounded since 1970.

That’s the tract near the Johns Hopkins Medical Complex in East Baltimore, which now has 13% of residents living in poverty compared to 43% in 1970. During that time, the tract’s population living in poverty decreased from 1,479 to 179 residents.

This decline, however, is mostly a result of the large-scale displacement of residents from the Middle East neighborhood around the Hopkins campus by the city-sponsored East Baltimore Development Inc. (EBDI).

https://www.baltimorebrew.com/2015/01/05/two-reports-illustrate-the-paradox-of-baltimore-a-high-poverty-city-that-attracts-young-educated/

[Recursion]

59. West Baltimore's individual poverty rate is 30%; household is 17%

http://www.city-data.com/neighborhood/West-Baltimore-Baltimore-MD.html

[ForgoTheConsequence]

62. City Data isn't a reliable source.

It's fun and cute, but not credible. Aren't you suppose to be an economics numbers guy?

Look up Upton Druid Heights...

"In Upton-Druid Heights in West Baltimore — one of the city’s poorest neighborhoods and, in recent days, the scene of some of its most vocal protests — the cost of long-term poverty is counted in lives. Its residents die from nearly every major disease at substantially higher rates than the city as a whole — nearly double the rate from heart disease, more than double the rate from prostate cancer, and triple the rate from AIDS. Life expectancy here is just 68 years, one notch above Pakistan."

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us/health-problems-take-root-in-a-west-baltimore-neighborhood-that-is-sick-of-neglect.html





Read the neighborhood health profile for yourself...

http://health.baltimorecity.gov/sites/default/files/53%20Upton.pdf

The life expectancy in Upton-Druid Heights is 62.9 years, WORSE than many 3rd world/developing countries. The infant mortality rate is 15/1000



Again, you have no idea what you're talking about and all the Wikipedia and City Data bullshit you post cannot make up for that.

[Recursion]

93. FFS I've quoted three other sources all of which agree

Burlington has a higher poverty rate than Baltimore. This shouldn't be surprising; 30% of Burlington residents are students, as opposed to 20% of Baltimore residents. But you didn't go there.

[Recursion]

50. I can't *imagine* why Sanders is having trouble with minority voters, with messaging like that

[Rosa Luxemburg]

58. O'Malley disconnected from the people of the inner city some years ago

[notadmblnd]

60. What do you think he's really saying?

"... with messaging like that"

Like what exactly?

[Recursion]

63. That a city that is less poor and less unequal than Burlington is "third world"?

You really don't see it?

[notadmblnd]

65. He didn't compare Boston to Burlington.

[Recursion]

68. Did you mean "Baltimore"? (nt)

[notadmblnd]

103. Sorry, yes, he did not compare any city to Burlington

I'm under the impression he was invited. He didn't just randomly pick a poor neighborhood and show up.

Since you seem to be a local, why don't you take it up with those who invited him?

[Recursion]

107. Yes, he did. WBAL has the while thing

He was asked his opinions "about Baltimore".

[ForgoTheConsequence]

69. Hey most white people in greater Baltimore are doing fine.

That means that third world type poverty cannot exist in the majority black neighborhoods.

[Recursion]

72. So are most black people. Bmore has the largest concentration of middle class black neighborhoods

in the country, though nearby PG County wins by some ways of counting.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

73. Are you going to stop comparing all of Baltimore to Upton/Druid Heights?

I'm still waiting for you to acknowledge how completely irresponsible and disingenuous your initial reply was.

[Recursion]

91. Well you'll be waiting a long time

This speech was tone-deaf, insular, and borderline racist, and I make absolutely no apology for kicking back at it.

[TM99]

105. So you are saying that all of the Black pastors

that met with Sanders and agreed with his statements are what? Racist? Uncle Toms?

You love to play numbers games until you get caught with the wrong set of numbers. Same shit, different day with you.

His speech was apropos, accurate, and supportive of PoC.

[ForgoTheConsequence]

67. Again this is about the NEIGHBORHOOD.

Not all of Baltimore.



What you're doing is the same exact disengenous shit that global warming deniers do.

"UGGHH GLOBAL WARMING AINT REAL CAUSE ITS COLD OUTSIDE".

[Recursion]

92. No, it wasn't. He was asked his impressions of "Baltimore" (nt)

[bobbobbins01]

84. Have you ever been to Baltimore?

The only reason it could be considered less poor than Burlington is because entire city blocks are condemned and no one can live there. It is as third world as it gets in America short of Detroit. Burlington and Baltimore are not comparable at all, and I say this as someone who has been to both frequently. Burlington is a fine place to visit. Baltimore is fucking terrifying.

[Recursion]

86. I've lived in Baltimore. And I've lived in third-world countries.

I've never lived in Burlington, though I've visited it.

The only reason it could be considered less poor than Burlington is because entire city blocks are condemned and no one can live there.

No.

The reason it is "considered less poor than Burlington" is that a smaller percentage of its residents live in poverty than Burlington.

[Bluenorthwest]

117. "He was invited to the center of last spring’s riot by local ministers.

“This’ll be part of what we do with all the candidates, talk to them about issues relevant to the African-American community and see where they stand,” said Rev. Willie Wilson.
http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2015/12/08/bernie-sanders-to-stop-in-baltimore/

[bobbobbins01]

121. The poverty rate isn't the only thing to take into consideration.

And there is a huge difference between a town the size of Burlington and Baltimore, which has as many people as the entire state of Vermont. Baltimore has almost double the population per square mile as Burlington, less high school graduates, lower household income overall, much lower property value, higher crime rate, etc. Your one number doesn't paint an accurate picture at all.

[Bobbie Jo]

71. No kidding

Struck me the same way.

*cringe*

[SoapBox]

77. K & R

[LS_Editor]

80. No more conservative policies.

They have destroyed this country from the inside out. What is our military protecting, exactly?

[bvf]

82. Its budget, above all else.

That's a huge part of the problem.

[DetlefK]

96. Well, actually, the religious extremism in the Middle-East is caused by poverty.

If you have no money, no perspective for the future, no trust in governments, corporations or other material institutions... and if then somebody offers you a way out... a better life that you can buy with a few prayers and following a few simple rules...

And it's similar with the Europeans/Americans that get radicalized: They are frustrated with the material world. They see the decadence, the vacousness, the shallowness, the sinfullness, the lies, the injustice and they despair. From here, they have two choices: Make the existing system better or destroy the system and replace it with a new one.
They opt for the second.

[jtuck004]

97. White christians throw bombs into churches and kill children to make a better world? n/t

[DetlefK]

98. From their point-of-view, Yes.

They don't regard themselves as killers. They regard themselves as saving lifes (and/or souls) in the long term. As "pro-life".

[jtuck004]

100. They are superstitious and deluded, yes, but destroying the world doesn't mean something better forq

everyone, just them. Just because they are delusional and believe in magic religious stuff doesn't mean they aren't competent to know - and be fully aware - that they are committing murder. They stand trial, and the court says they do, anyway.

Selfish little bullies. They aren't trying to make anything better or build anything - they are just killers and liars.

Btw - most of the leaders of the international "terrorist" orgs are very well off. They have degrees, are world travelers, speak several languages, and have ready access to hundreds of millions of dollars in mostly oil money.

Just like us, they try to foment dissent amongst people who have less, and just like us they send larger numbers of people who have less money and education.

But when you look into the meat of the orgs, and the backgrounds of those who have launched successful attacks on US soil, they are college educated, have money, have homes, have family, and want a world war that brings the apocalypse. In their definition that means they must mostly be wiped out by us in battle, so they must commit attacks that enrage us to a blind fury. The two in California who did that just walked away from their kid, their lives. They had everything we say is important. They turned their backs on it and walked toward something else.

There is nothing you can offer such true believers. Education might work over the long term. A big battle will do more to radicalize people than almost anything we do, and could pit more of the world against us. A series of smaller battles does the same thing over time, but lets us not start world war last.

Then again, that's just killing time until someone figures out how to create a biological attack that wipes out a few million people, and we dust off the nukes.

That's what they want. For this to be over, so their Caliphate can rule, if I understand their premise. Almost worse than the Evilhair guy running for pres here...

But, ymmv.

[beam me up scottie]

99. Instead of being outraged about the poverty and desperation in Baltimore and other cities

the press manufactured a scandal because for one day Bernie focused exclusively on our war on poor people instead of responding to their questions about the "war on terror".

I expect that kind of behaviour from the bloodthirsty msm but people here used to know better.

Smh

[Enthusiast]

101. Kicked and recommended to the Max! Fuck the MSM for being douchebags and carrying neocon water!

[Uncle Joe]

110. Kicked and recommended.

Thanks for the thread, nc4bo.

[George II]

111. Sanders has been working within 30 miles of Baltimore for the last 25+ years.....

....did he just notice this?

[raouldukelives]

113. K&R The MSM is a just a mirror of the desires of shareholders.

Just as the neighborhoods across our country and even around the world are becoming.

A landscape turned into a reflection of Wall St dreams.

If there is a way to make a profit, it will be made. If there isn't, your own your own.

Or, of course, you can always join them and make just enough, making others lives worse, to make your own one of sweet delights.