2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumDavid Shuster: Obama internal polling indicates 9 + point lead in Ohio
I'll believe this before I believe Grevis Marketing Poll:
Item #3 The Obama campaign, I'm told, did internal polling in Ohio the past two days and found President Obama beating Mitt Romney in the Buckeye State by more than 9 points. For weeks, the Obama campaign has been indicating that Ohio was moving more strongly in their direction. The post-convention bounce Mitt Romney was hoping for didn't materialize nationally, and the GOP convention appears not to have stopped Romney's slide in Ohio.
Ohio, as most political observers know, is a crucial battleground state. It has 18 electoral votes, and since 1944, the Buckeye State has backed the winner in every presidential election except one (Ohio went for Nixon over Kennedy in 1960). There are ways Mitt Romney could still get 270 electoral votes without winning Ohio. Republican PACs that are pulling money out of Ohio and investing it in other states are underscoring that point.
Still, most political analysts will tell you that Romney is in deep trouble and Obama is flying high.
If Ohio is trending the president's way this strongly, I agree.
http://current.com/groups/news-blog/93892450_shusters-convention-notebook-dems-need-to-stop-flipping-off-karl-rove.htm
WCGreen
(45,558 posts)So I won't have to watch all their crappy TV commercials...
Auggie
(31,245 posts)Husted is doing everything he can to disrupt voting
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Isn't that unprecedented? I haven't heard of the Republicans giving up on Ohio before. Seems too good to be true.
Auggie
(31,245 posts)Dawgs
(14,755 posts)Now this. What does Shuster know that the rest of us don't - or who?
TroyD
(4,551 posts)Has it been verified that Karl Rove/Crossroads has actually pulled out of Ohio.
I'm having a hard time believing they would give up on a state that historically is key to Republicans (as John King loves to mention on CNN all the time).
Ohio did lose 2 electoral votes and drop from 20 to 18, but I find it odd that the Republicans would pull out. Wouldn't that become a major story reported on every network that would harm Republican morale?
I think Nate Silver currently gives Obama a 72% chance of winning Ohio.
kestrel91316
(51,666 posts)Auggie
(31,245 posts)cash__whatiwant
(396 posts)but I never would think Ohio would be more Democratic leaning than Wisconsin, Colorado, or Virginia this year. Who knew?
TroyD
(4,551 posts)This was just posted on Datalounge.
http://www.readersupportednews.org/opinion2/278-76/13306-four-ways-the-ohio-gop-is-already-stealing-the-2012-election
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Romney and Ryan are all over my state of Iowa. We have only 8 electoral votes. Yes, we are a swing state, but you can tell a lot about what is going on inside the minds of the campaign when you pay attention to their schedules and venues.
Romney and Ryan are paying an inordinate amount of attention to Wisconsin, Michigan and Iowa. They seem to be hoping that these smaller states will make up for an Ohio loss. I think they know that Ohio is probably gone. This is probably why they're screwing with the voter hours so much. They know they have to suppress the vote -- big time -- to even have a chance.
No way is Romney going to win Ohio. After he wrote that WSJ editorial about the auto bailout being a horrible idea--he sealed his fate in Ohio. Ohio's unemployment numbers are better than the national average. The economic arguments aren't as powerful there. Plus, everyone knows that Ohio's employment numbers were bolstered by jobs saved because of Obama's auto bailout. Romney will not win there, and I'll be Republican internal polling shows the same thing that the Dem polling does.
Some more good news--despite Romney/Ryan paying attention to Iowa--the state is now slightly leaning Obama. Romney has made huge mistakes here. He dissed win tax credits and his plan would take them away from farmers. Hello, we're in the middle of a drought here, and many farmers will have NO income this year. When your policies take away what little they will get--because they agreed to put wind turbines on their land--that kinda ensures that most farmers will hate you. Romney is an idiot. His kow towing to Big Oil will help seal his fate in Iowa.
Our arch-conservative Republican Senator, Chuck Grassley called Romney a backstabber and a liar.
Things aren't looking so hot for RR here. Obama's last speech in Des Moines drew 10,000+, and Obama will be in Iowa City this week, after the convention. That speech will no doubt, draw (at the very least) 10,000 - 15,000.
TroyD
(4,551 posts)This needs to get more coverage.
mgcgulfcoast
(1,127 posts)backscatter712
(26,355 posts)My understanding is that the GOP could steal an election and be able to remain plausible if the election was pretty tight, say within 3-4 points. But with a 9 point spread, if the GOP used its dirty tricks to cook an election, nobody would buy it, and it would blow up in their faces.
flamingdem
(39,342 posts)whew, well almost
anneboleyn
(5,611 posts)quaker bill
(8,225 posts)and only that late to allow the polls to close in Cali first.
DFW
(54,520 posts)He joked that he expected to be tempted to do so after the Republican Convention. I think he didn't even get near the window this time.