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[Gothmog]

1. That video is disturbing

President Obama has been a great POTUS and the attacks by Sanders are off base

[BooScout]

2. It hit's home doesn't it...n/t

[Cha]

22. Yeah, totally clueless.

[Gothmog]

128. President Obama has been a great president but he is not on the ballot

There is no need for Sanders to attack President Obama given the fact that President Obama has accopmplished a great deal against very strong opposition.

[Cha]

133. Somebody needs to tell Bernie that President Obama isn't running.. he might try telling the truth

about the republicons and quite lying about Obama.

[AgingAmerican]

151. He isn't running against Obama

He didn't make those statements yesterday

[Gothmog]

163. Does Bernie think that he could do a better job than President Obama??

These comments disturb me a great deal in that President Obama has done an amazing job given the opposition. President Obama mobilized millions of voters and even with this support had to fight to get his programs through. Sanders comments are either really arrogant and wrong or reflect a lack of understanding of how our divided government works.

While I like Sanders personally and agree with many of his positions, statements like the statements on this video are really disturbing to me.

[Armstead]

172. Um, he's a candidate. Candidates talk about what they'd do differently.

[Gothmog]

178. Such plans must have some basis in reality

Sanders can not snap his finger and will things to change. That policy has not worked with respect to Sanders ability to pass any signature or major piece of legislation. These comments explain to me why not one member of Congress has endorsed Sanders.

[Armstead]

188. I think he is well aquainted with reality.

And how many Senators have passed "singular pieces of legislation" on their own?

[Vattel]

174. He didn't lie. Lots of people have advanced this criticism of Obama.

Even if it is mistaken, which you certainly aren't capable of proving, claiming that Sanders was lying here as opposed to being mistaken is a smear.

[BooScout]

142. Hitchhiking here to keep this one from being buried at the bottom of the thread...

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[Gothmog]

161. I would love a third term for President Obama

[TheKentuckian]

186. Disturbing? Please. No question that Obama abandoned mobilizing the people and settled in for a

Presidency of "inside baseball" and sought out an agenda of "Grand Bargins" while surrounding himself with corporate hacks and conservatives including Bush leftovers in charge of the security and dragnet surveillance machine.

It wasn't Bernie Sanders who loaded up his cabinet and top level advisors with the likes of Emmanuel, Summers, fucking Duncan, Petraeus, and Clapper.

Nor was it Sanders' idea to propose cuts to Social Security to get...something or another mysterious on revenues either.

I don't recall Bernie Sanders sending out his goon to attempt protect bullshit incumbents salting Obama's agenda either, deactivating efforts to change the landscape.

That is a lame case of the vapors you got there in an effort to keep driving the wedge between minorities and Sanders to prop up Clinton.

DISTURBING? How do you make it through a day if that mild ass assessment invokes such a reaction?

Plus, stop acting like Clinton won't (and hasn't for that matter) expressed some issues with Obama particularly when it comes to not being enough of a warmonger.

[SouthernProgressive]

3. Enlightning.

Hillary is getting my vote because she is best suited to build of the success of Obama in my opinion. It was actually a difficult choice between Clinton and O'Malley. I think O'Malley could be one of the best Presidents. But we can't go backwards and that is what Sanders would do. He would simply get steamrolled. I also like the fact that Hillary and O'Malley are willing to truly put solid policy proposals together. Sanders is campaigning off emotion, enthusiasm and rage against the machine. Each party will always have their Trump/Sanders that plays to certain groups. Thankfully ours is compassionate and thoughtful(Sanders). What a great group for a primary. Feels good to be a democrat.

The video really shows how short-sighted Sanders is when it comes to the Presidency. His comments simply play to the LIV. They eat it up. Doesn't matter if his comments make sense, just like it doesn't matter if Trump makes sense to a certain group. Really is a display of Sanders and his lack of understanding as to what he is applying for.

[Armstead]

9. Emotion and rage against the machine are justified

First of all, Sanders is offering a lot more of substance than you give him credit for, And his supporters are more aware than you seem to think.

I'm 63 years old, have been paying attention since the early 1970's. And I've seen the process that has brought us to this point, and why people like Sanders (and in a twisted way Trump) are resonating....And why so many status quo politicians are being rejected.

We've screwed the pooch as a nation -- and too often certain factions of the Democratic Party have been complicit in that. I could give you a litany of specifics and generals about that, but not the time or space here. (Suffice it to say, for example, forcing people to buy private insurance at high prices while not offering a reasonable public option based on income is one example. The TPP is another.)

But the point is that we are now in a situation where a handful of Massive Monopolistic Corporations control our economy, government and society to an alarming extent not seen since the Gilded Age -- maybe worse. It IS an Oligarchy, in the true sense of the word.

It has resulted in immense economic polarization and concentration of wealth and power, while the middle class is beaten down and the poor are consigned to the trash can.

Angry? Damn straight. And many Americans -- of all shades of opinion and ideology are aware of that fact, whether on an informed basis, or simply on a gut level, as they get screwed everyday.

And they are fed up with politics that says "Don't believe your lying eyes. Don't worry, be happy, Everything will be better if you just work harder, and if we make a few small tweaks to the system."

And at some point -- should have happened years ago -- many people are saying that they want reform that is more than just some snips and clips.

That is not simply blind populist emotion. It's a natural and justifiable response to an untenable situation. Positive solutions at this point HAVE to start at anger.

[SouthernProgressive]

18. "Emotion and rage against the machine are justified"

I fully agree with that.

"Sanders is offering a lot more of substance than you give him credit for"

Fully disagree with that.

"and why people like Sanders (and in a twisted way Trump) are resonating....And why so many status quo politicians are being rejected."

Two things. 1) Even you as a Sanders supporter make the connection to some of Sanders popularity being the same as Trumps. 2) One would have to live somewhere other than reality to make the claim that "so many status quo politicians are being rejected." No truth can be found to back up that statement. Our two leading contenders on the Democratic side are Clinton and Biden. Both of whom I'm sure you would label as the status quo. Fact simply go against you comment in every single way.

The rest of your post could have been written by me and they are the reasons I am supporting Hillary. We must continue to build of Obamas accomplishments. Hillary is the person for that job.

[BooScout]

21. Thank you for pragmatism and reality....

....they are often hard to find these days.

[Armstead]

28. Is it pragmatic to allow a handful of massive banks to run our economy?

[treestar]

50. They don't "run our country"

It's gotten to the point where no one dares challenge these outlandish claims for which there is no evidence. It's gotten to be very general language which is supposed to be accepted hands down. Of course there will be banks. There are books full of statutes and regulations applicable to banks and government bureaucracies to enforce them. Everything is not broad brush simple.

[Armstead]

168. Did you take a nap between 2007 and 2010?

They tanked the economy, and then we were pressured to bail them out or they would REALLY ruin the economy, and since then they're been doing great, and the economy and the rest of us are still trying to recover. And we're too scared to rein them in.

I'd say that's coming pretty close to running the country.

It is really wrong -- yes flat out wrong -- just applying simple common sense to have a few massive banks, investment houses and corporations (including those like GE which are also defacto banks) controlling so much of the economy, and being able to call the shots in government.

If we had any forethought over the last 30 years, we would have at some point said -- "Wait a minute. It's not healthy to have so much of out money under the control of these huge banks, and we shouldn't allow them to be swallowing up other banks at that pace."

[treestar]

181. well you'd propose a lot of laws

and their being bailed out helped us all. They don't "run the country." They did badly and then had to be bailed out for the overall good of the country. It's not us vs. them.

We can advocate for the laws that will regulate them better and the return of the laws they repealed or changed.

[Armstead]

187. I agree with the latter part of that statement.The problem is..

We forgot how to regulate in the 80's, and have let big banks and big corporations run roughshod ever since. We have allowed them to swallow each other up and form what are essentially nations of their own.

We have allowed it to reach the point where it is made to seem impossible to control them or assert the public interest.

I am NOT against banks, nor corporations. But they should be a wide range of competitive institutions of varying sizes (except for the monstrous size that the biggest have gotten). .

But we forgot how to use anti-trust laws and other anti-monopoly measures, and we lifted so many regulations that we let what was once a healthy diversity of businesses congeal into a handful of monstrous corporations. And essentially totally unaccountable.

And we let a few individuals such as Rupert Murdoch and the Kochs have power far beyond what any individual should have.

And until we wake the hell up and realize how unhealthy and destructive that is, and start to do something about it, we will continue to slip towards into the status of a Third World Oligarchy.

[Gothmog]

165. When you make broad overstatements, you lose credibility

The issue here is why does Sanders believe that President Obama failed and is it realistic for a candidate who has not received one endorsement from his fellow members of Congress will be able to change things

[Armstead]

170. First of all, he doesn't say Obama failed..

He gives Obama mixed marks. he didn't say he failed. He was being straightforward. He's not like keeping score in a ball game.

As far as the otehr "overstatement," I stand by that.

If you don't think a handful of mega monopolistic banks have too much power, we'll just have to disagree. I kinda remember 2008-09, when we were extorted to bail them out because they were "too big to fail." Is that a healthy situation?

[Armstead]

26. On those disagreements

1) Emotionally, it's the default position is to support leaders who have popularity and are perceived as "on my side." Especially when they are going after the "other side."

I have often been thrilled at Obama, and when he makes many of his speeches, I get enthusiastic and say "I love that guy."...I still do. His Labor Day speech was great....Actually the same thing happens with Bill Clinton, even now.

I wish to hell it were possible to bask in the warmth of Joe Biden and admire the intelligence of Hillary and simply appreciate her accomplishments.

They've done great stuff. But too often it's been difficult to reconcile the wonderful auras and nice words with the underlying realities of what and who they ultimately represent when push comes to shove. Especially in light of the collective cumulative results.

And part of the problem is when people try to get them to modify their actions, we are called "the angry left" or "Obama/Clinton haters" or told we want ponies.

The most egregious case in point was the Financial collapse of 2008, and the continued fattening of the Wealthy since then -- and the fact that we still have banks that are way too big, and need to be broken up and trimmed down to size.

Looking back, there is NO REASON we should have sat back while these Monopolistic Monsters were swallowing up local and regional banks and competing brokerages to create their monopolies. And there was NO REASON to take away regulations and restraints on them while they were making gignomous profits by screwing American workers and smaller businesses and consumers.

Looking ahead, we have to change that. Business-as-usual will cause us to slip further into the New Gilded Age.

2)Trump. I'm not touting the GOP but the same thing is happening on the GOP side. After Trump the ones gaining traction are Ben Carson and Carly Fiotonia (ugh)...In their own ways, they are also running against status quo politicians and are gaining traction.

[Cha]

15. Well Done, SouthernProgressive! I like your style~

[Gothmog]

166. Great post

[Armstead]

4. I know you'd prefer to live in an either/or world

But life isn't that way.

It's not like Bernie -- or many who support him -- say Obama Bad, Sanders Good.

Obama is a great president. But -- brace yourself -- not perfect.

His words sometimes were in contrast to his performance, For example, hiring Rahm Emmanuel as his primary adviser -- and then Rahm calls the "left" retards, because they followed Obama's request to "hold my feet to the fire."

In the health care debate -- people who were pushing for single payer were not even invited into the room when tjose plans were being rolled out. Instead the Big Insurers and Big Pharma were brought in.

Disagreeing with things like that is not "hating" Obama. And Sanders is not "Vs." Obama, if he honestly discusses what he sees as both the stengths and weaknesses of Obama in his opinion.

[kenfrequed]

6. Exactly.

I felt the same frustration at the appointments of Larry Summers and Tim Geithner. But with Rahm I almost punched a hole in the wall when I read that he had been appointed. I still liked Obama and supported him and defended him in real life but here I would occasionally point out the problems I had with his policy and how I wish he had negotiated a bit harder.

[beam me up scottie]

7. BooScout posted an op calling out Latinos who support Bernie because they protested Castro.

I don't think she realizes how many irony meters she broke this morning.

Blind loyalty is more important than addressing the issues and criticizing politicians who aren't perfect is seen as traitorous by the faithful.

[BooScout]

52. Nope....never called out any Latinos...

I've answered you downthread. Have a nice day.

[beam me up scottie]

57. No, you called out Bernie's supporters and found out too late they were Latinos.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=572815

Oopsie!

[BooScout]

61. asked and answered

[Autumn]

85. Those Latinos were protesting Castro because he straight out lied about Bernie.

It was pointed out over and over. If "anyone" heard about that protest they heard why and who was protesting Castro's office. Every article discussing the protest I found mentioned that which is why the old I heard but no link. That goes to more than blind loyalty, that's goes to deceit.

[beam me up scottie]

89. And she's doubling and tripling down on it.

I wonder if she added that op to her journal, she seems so proud of it.

[MoveIt]

91. How could such a cutie patootie like Castro be wrong?

I mean he'd be the swoony-est VP!

[beam me up scottie]

93. Some people are into celebrity politics.

They cannot tolerate any criticism of Obama but constantly complain about Bernie's supporters being too defensive.

The disconnect is stunning.

[MoveIt]

95. I bet Latinos know Obama isnt running

Whatever disconnect there is intentionally stunning, since that's how Propaganda works.

[beam me up scottie]

106. Most people outside of the BOG are aware of that fact.

It's no use trying to discuss the primaries with the others.

I feel sorry for them.

[artislife]

136. I am Latina

And I understand that President Obama is allowed to be elected to two terms only by the constitution.

And I know that he is in his second term.

Thus: I know he cannot run again for president.


Funny how I was able to understand this, being brown, female and supposedly, stupid.

Something had to stick in this brain.

[MoveIt]

147. thanks for confirming my suspicion!

[arcane1]

152. Using deceit to stir up tensions related to race is the Standard Clinton Game Plan n/t

[cali]

5. your frame is lame. And Bernie makes a valid point

[leftofcool]

8. That is disturbing.

[cali]

10. do explain. what on earth is disturbing about.that clip?

[MoveIt]

92. exercise apparently left to the reader

or the google bots

[frylock]

175. Not enough ass kissing.

[Gothmog]

177. President Obama has been a great president and accomplished a great deal despite strong opposition

Sanders comments reflect a profound lack of understanding of the oppositions that President Obama faced and I really do not think that Sanders is being realistic as to his ability to govern if he was elected.

I have asked repeatedly for someone to explain to me how Sanders will be a viable general election candidate in a general election contest where the Kochs will spend $887 million and the RNC candidate will spend another billion and I have yet to see a satisfactory answer. Combined that lack of viability with what appears to be a profound lack of judgment as to the opposition that President Obama faced, then I am not really comfortable with Sanders being the nominee.

Viability is a key consideration or criterion at this stage of the process and I am not comfortable. That doubt combined with these comments about President Obama disturbs me deeply. It is easy for me to see why Sanders has not been endorsed by even one member of Congress.

I admit, I would love to see a third term for President Obama. He has accomplished a great deal in the real world in the face of opposition.

[Cha]

11. So BS is running against President Obama.. Good! MY money is on The President!

Mahalo Boo!

[font size=lg][font color=blue]"A man who has spent years accomplishing nothing in the Senate has the nerve to lie about President Obama. Privilege is a hell of a drug"[/font][/font]

"Bernie Sanders apparently never heard of OFA, nor does he recall how it made him support health care bill!"

Only4RM ?@Only4RM
@BernieSanders You're either a LIAR or IGNORANT of recent political reality. Neither a presidential qualification.
6:27 AM - 7 Sep 2015
138 138 Retweets 84 84 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/a-tweet-or-two-313/

The difference between BS and President Obama.. is Obama Gets Shite Done.

Good.. Bernie is pissing off the Obama Diary.. and they haven't been Hillary Supporters.

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
5:19 AM - 8 Sep 2015 154 154 Retweets
115 115 favorites

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/irandeal-dont-ever-underestimate-president-barack-obama/

Mahalo President Obama!

[Armstead]

12. Yes I suppose someone should tell that Senile Old Commie that Obama's not on the ballot

Christ, imagine both complimenting and criticizing someone in the same breath.

It has to be Alzheimers.

[beam me up scottie]

17. Someone should tell DUers that Obama's not on the ballot.

They're confusing Hillary and Obama.

[treestar]

53. You just made all that up as no one said it

but I will be wiling to bet there's going to end up accusations those things have been said.

[Armstead]

55. That's true...Nothing too outrageous to become a meme

despite the large "sarcasm" icon on the post

[BooScout]

13. Exactly Cha!

Good morning my friend!

[Cha]

14. Good Mornin' Boo!

[BooScout]

16. There is nothing better....

....than watching President Obama speak the truth on a sunshiny morning. Puts a smile on my face and joy in my heart!

[Cha]

19. President Obama is the best, Boo.. he may not be on the ballot but BS has decided to make

it a choice between the reality of Obama's legacy and what Bernie's telling us it is.

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
5:19 AM - 8 Sep 2015 154 154 Retweets
115 115 favorites

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

Thank you, President Obama, SOS Kerry and VP Biden!

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/irandeal-dont-ever-underestimate-president-barack-obama/

[treestar]

56. The video showed clearly the "I'll take it from here" comment is wrong

Don't know where Bernie gets that idea.

The people who claim to be "disappointed" in the President should be disappointed in themselves, giving up as soon as it didn't go all their way. President Obama should have apparently bullied Congress somehow (not do-able) to get his public option. He couldn't get it and did the best he could. But it might have been better if he'd had back-up. Which is one thing I can say I did as I went to a march outside Sen. Carper's office which was to demand the public option when it was clear Carper wasn't supporting it. Just what President Obama was saying in the speech, I need you to keep it up. Called self government and representative government.

[Cha]

71. Somebody needs to tell Bernie he's not running against President Obama.. and to start telling the

the truth about him while they're at it.

More of Obama's legacy..

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
5:19 AM - 8 Sep 2015 154 154 Retweets
115 115 favorites

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/irandeal-dont-ever-underestimate-president-barack-obama/

Mahalo President Obama, SOS Kerry, and VP Biden!

treestar!

[treestar]

74. Yep. No point in running against President Obama

and the effort to get the votes of these "centrists" might really disappoint the cross section of Bernie people who happen to be the same ones who never thought President Obama did anything right.

Cha

[INdemo]

104. It is true

The day after his election his corporatist thinking and actions took over. Just look at his first cabinet appointments. They were Wall St ,Golman Sachs mafia members . His so called support of Unions and Labor went no where. Obama was more like a Republican than a liberal,progressive that he tried to sell to the voters that elected him.
So yes Berinie Sanders was absolutely correct. What Bernie Sanders said that many didn't pick up on was this"elect me President and I will lead the fight for middle class Americans beginning day one and will not be bought by the corporations and big bank"
This is something Obama cannot say because his actions will define the fact he is a corporatist.

[Stellar]

127. Ah yes, I remember that.

Too bad he didn't get anything accomplished with that big "C" hung around his neck. He would have been phenomenal, a hell of a president, doncha think? (Especially with Mitch O'Connell and the whole of the GOtP out to get him.)

[Autumn]

88. My moneys on Sanders, because Obama isn't running in 2016.

[Cha]

94. Somebody needs to tell Bernie that.

[Autumn]

112. Bernie Knows who he's running against. It's hilarious to me how people who

considered her to be a fooking liar, "morally depraved" and actually considered her " a world class liar who's a danger to her country" back when she ran against Obama support her so fervently now. While she's running the same campaign. I know that Hillary hasn't changed at all, I supported her to the very end last time because I thought it would be great to have a woman President. Remember those times? That was a hell of a primary, those old DU links are awesome. Everyone should look at the DU archives just for a snapshot of the hypocrisy. The Bosnia sniper story was posted here t day so I looked up old DU posts on that and there was a "hilary is a tragic joke who's a danger to our country." Man they sure didn't like it then but I guess she's no danger now, of course she wasn't any of those things then, but hey she was running against the wrong guy

The best man won then and the best man will win now. It's Bernie's time, and ours.

[beam me up scottie]

114. "morally depraved" and "a danger to her country"?

I guess Hillary's not the only one who evolved!



Thank you DU search function!

[Autumn]

117. I will send you the links. You will be amazed

One of my favorites. the "That's high and mighty chuzpah!"

[beam me up scottie]

119. Did a search and found one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x5692646

[Autumn]

121. That one is fooking gold

"death to the dino fascist wing of the Dem"

[beam me up scottie]

122. "hilary is a tenacious LIAR and has never fought for a fooking thing except herself."

[neverforget]

139. That's a gem of evolution!

[beam me up scottie]

143. Ikr?

Hard to believe it's the same person.

[SMC22307]

146. Hot diggity, I'm going to savor these for quite a while...

Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:18 PM
Response to Reply #15

22. hilary is a tenacious LIAR and has never

fought for a fooking thing except herself.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-26-08 07:57 PM
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37. Bullshit..hilary is morally depraved and


your attempts at covering up her depravity are worthless.

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Former user name "zidzi"?

Paging DanTx! You're right, there's Hillary hate after all!

[arcane1]

183. Wow, that's some Class A evolution right there!

[SMC22307]

184. Well, she learned from the very best.

[beam me up scottie]

120. Ooo, and another!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6017420

[Autumn]

123. I wish we had a forum where all these old links could be posted just to discuss the

differences between then and now. Some of those old cartoons would be an automatic jury hide now.

[beam me up scottie]

126. The picture of Chelsea holding an automatic weapon would get hidden too.

Just imagine how the person who originally posted it would react now.

[Autumn]

124. This is so funny. I hate to leave but I'm going out for the morning

if you find any more jewels send them to me.

[beam me up scottie]

129. I will! Enjoy your day!

[SMC22307]

148. She's the #7 host of the Hillary Clinton Group.

Well, 6 and 7, considering sheshe and cha are the same being.

Guess Hill's no longer "morally depraved" or a "a world class liar who's a danger to her country."

Mahalol!

to those being suckered...

[Gothmog]

130. Great post Cha

[SonderWoman]

20. Wow Bernie is absurd with those comments.

Obamacare alone accomplished more than Bernie has in 30 years in govt.

[Cha]

23. Twilight Zone absurd, SonderWoman

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
5:19 AM - 8 Sep 2015 154 154 Retweets
115 115 favorites

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

Thank you, President Obama, SOS Kerry, and VP Biden!

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/irandeal-dont-ever-underestimate-president-barack-obama/

[BooScout]

24. Not only is he absurd....

He lies about Obama and dismisses his accomplishments as if they are nothing!

[riversedge]

25. Sanders knows Obama was constantly asking the people to stand behind him. Obama

did not go it alone nor did he want to. I do not understand why Sanders would say this.

[mcar]

27. I don't get it either riversedge

President Obama clearly never said or did what Sanders says. What does he gain by lying like this?

And yes, he's lying. The fact that Obama is not running again is irrelevant here. What did BS expect to gain by lying about the president?

[BooScout]

29. He expected to damage Clinton....

...since she, as part of the Obama Administration, is part of his record. I happen to think Obama and his Administration have done a pretty damned good job, especially considering how bad a shape the country was in when he took over. The Bush Administration left the economy teetering on the brink of the abyss of a Depression and Obama and his Administration pulled it back from what would have been total disaster. His Administration with a helluva lot of help from Hillary restored the US's reputation around the world. A reputation so badly damaged that most thought it would take decades to repair. And Obama did what Bush couldn't do in two terms in office....he got Bin Laden.

For Bernie to dismiss Obama and his Administration is totally disingenuous.

[mcar]

32. Perhaps that is his motivation Boo

I don't get how he thinks he'll win the nomination by alienating the president and his supporters.

[Armstead]

36. Fer frikes sake....

He wasn't saying anything he didn't say long before he was a candidate.

Believe it or not, it is possible for politicians to actually discuss things and honestly state their opinions in a straightforward way.

Agree with his assessment or disagree. Fine. But don't misrepresent him or create phony motives.

[beam me up scottie]

51. Just ignore them.

They're incapable of discussing the issues that are important and are trying to distract everyone.

Post another excellent op or kick an existing one.

Let them chatter away about the latest poutrage, they're not convincing anyone.

It's kind of funny when you think about it.

[uponit7771]

68. Irrelevant WHEN he said it his mindset is still the same, Sanders hasn't "evolved" on those criticis

... that are overtly unfair and some not true at all.

[Armstead]

76. Not irrelevant when he said them considering the basis of the criticism

Some of the posts here are claiming this is a cynical campaign tactic of Sanders.

So yes, the timing does matter if it reflects the fact that is is simply expressing his honest opinions.

Disagree with his opinion or interpretation, fine. But not fine to misrepresent the motive and contexxt.

[Cha]

31. It doesn't make sense, mcar.. we can clearly check out the facts. the Obama Coalition is Strong..

we don't take lies about our President lightly.

Team Obama wasn't going to ignore, either. Great response Vid!

Exactly, it's irrelevant that Obama's not running.. BS decided to run against his legacy and not in a truthful way.

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
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✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

Thank you, President Obama, SOS Kerry and VP Biden!

[mcar]

33. Especially lies coming from someone

On "our side." Really senseless.

[Cha]

42. Totally senseless. No wonder he's hooked up with cornel west.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026899166

Slurs cornel has hurled at the President..

“Rockefeller Republican in blackface.”
“brown-faced Clinton.”
"Kenny G in brown skin.”
"a black mascot of Wall Street oligarchs"
"a black puppet of corporate plutocrats."
"a niggerized black person."

http://www.thenation.com/blog/160725/cornel-west-v-barack-obama#

Cali http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=575906

[BooScout]

60. Those are horrible!

How on earth does Bernie think someone who says stuff like that will win him votes in a democratic primary?

[Cha]

75. None of this makes sense.. it's bizarre, Boo. Somebody needs to tell BS he's not running against

President Obama.

So there's no need for fabrication.

[treestar]

103. What does that last one even mean?

CW sounds like a nutcase.

[riversedge]

169. I used to read West's books and articles and respected him but

my views of him have gone sour these last several years.

[Armstead]

38. Lies? Something you disagree with is automatically a lie?

Sanders is exxpressing his opinion of what he has observed. You might disagree. But that's not a "lie."

I can remember numerous times when President Obama treated those who were following his advice about getting engaged in issues in a dismissive way. And remember Rahm's dismissing of "the left" as "retards." And remember what happened to Warren when she criticized him on TPP?

Obama is welcome to do that, But there is a certain inconsistency with to his request for people to "hold his feet to the fire."

[mcar]

43. When did President Obama say "I'll take it from here?"

Links, please?

[Armstead]

46. Have you ever heard of a "figure of speech" or metaphor?

Links? Oh c'mon. I hope you have enough intelligence to not take that statement literally.

[treestar]

72. So what is Bernie referencing to make his metaphor at all justifiable to use?

There would have to be something, or there's no point in making it.

[Armstead]

82. Short answer

Obama told the people who put him into the WH, including progressive supporters, that they had to back him up, and also press him to do better to represent them when they felt that was necessary (holding feet to the fire).

But on a number of occasions when they did that, he said, in effect, "I know what is required here. let me handle it." and made funny little jabs at "the left."

Also, in his actions, on occasion he has disregarded or acted contrary to many of his supporters. health care was a huge example. I wonlt go into that, but many people wold have gione balls to the wall for Obama;s plans, IF he had bothered to include or support their goals, and supported a REAL compromise with the public option....But instead Obama threw them to the wolves.

Another example -- TPP. remembr what happened to Elizabeth Warren?

That's what was meant in Sanders statement.

[treestar]

101. I don't think that's proof

It's only what you think, and you have not linked to the material in quotes as coming from Obama - even something like that if the quotes are just descriptive. It's very general. They should not have been pressing him and holding his feet to the fire, but supporting him as constituents, which Bernie by the way is asking for. Why should Bernie get that and not have it labeled "blind faith" and not Obama?

[Armstead]

108. "they don't know what they're talking about"

Okay, example here:
http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/liberals-furious-obamas-trade-comments
TPP debate not too long ago:

But dozens of Democratic lawmaker have vowed to oppose the president here, and labor unions and outside groups are actively campaigning against the deal and fast-track. They argue that TPP would benefit corporations and foreign nations at the expense of American workers, just as they say the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) did in the 1990s.

“When people say that this trade deal is bad for working families, they don’t know what they’re talking about,” Obama said Thursday. “So I take that personally. My entire presidency has been about helping working families.”

“Some of these folks are friends of mine. I love them to death. But in the same way that when I was arguing for health care reform I asked people to look at the facts – somebody comes up with a slogan like ‘death panel,’ doesn’t mean it’s true. Look at the facts. The same thing is true on this. Look at the facts. Don’t just throw a bunch of stuff out there and see if it sticks,” the president added.

R
And on Friday, Obama made a surprise appearance on a conference call with reporters and Labor Secretary Tom Perez. Obama took what seemed to be a shot at liberal lawmakers like Sen. Elizabeth Warren and progressive groups for “sending e-mails out to their fundraising base that they’re working to stop a secret deal.” There’s “nothing secret” about the treaty, he said.

[uponit7771]

73. What was meant by that phrase other than "I'll go at it alone"!?!? tia

[uponit7771]

67. Sanders will gain nothing, running from Obama like the blue dogs did in midterm elections will

... net him tepid AA support at best.

The next dem candidate better cling to Obama like white on rice.

[treestar]

69. Plus Bernie asks for the same thing

Which is too funny. In the Dream World where he would win, he would get thrown under the bus very soon. Well, unless they have a different standard for Bernie.

[uponit7771]

77. Yes Sanders would be under the bus in a milisecond, out of the 1000 issues on the left Sanders bet n

... not compromise on not one of them.

And "call your represenative" isn't even realistic when those reps don't answer to the people due to gerrymandering

[Jamaal510]

157. I remember on the night he first won the presidency,

Pres. O said that he wouldn't be able to solve all the country's problems alone or overnight. He has stressed plenty of times about the need for our side to take Congressional elections seriously, but people don't listen. This is why I'm skeptical about BS's campaign approach. I see him campaigning, but neither he nor his supporters point out what Congress's role would be in implementing his presidential agenda. He says most of the right things, but how is he going to get his colleagues to help him? And if he decides to use executive orders, how would he be able to freely get away with that with the Republicans around? It is why our current president's agenda has been handicapped. It isn't because O is lazy, corrupt, or just doesn't want to do certain things.

[frylock]

176. Obama implored people to hold his feet to the fire..

when people held his feet to the fire, they were labeled as racists and haters.

[aikoaiko]

30. This is a fair criticism of the Obama agenda post-election.

A lot of people on DU expressed some disappointment with Obama especially the first term.

He is also did some great things.

Is your demand for fidelity to the president so great that you can't see any flaws with the Obama administration?

[beam me up scottie]

34. It's a distraction.

She's posted some embarrassing ops lately and wants to forget about them.

[BooScout]

39. They certianly weren't embarrassing to me...

I merely pointed out that Bernie Sander's supporters might not win friends in the Latino Community by attacking and protesting a leader of the Latino community such as Joaquin Castro. I also have since noted that the planned protest turned into a rally instead. I guess someone must have agreed with me and decided that a rally instead of a protest might go over better.

[beam me up scottie]

41. You think Latinos need you to tell them how to effectively support Bernie?

And you're not embarrassed by that at all?

[BooScout]

49. I was never making suggestions to Latinos...

I was making suggestions to supporters of a candidate for president...and as I said some apparently thought the same way, since the protest was called off and instead made into a rally.

Have a nice day now

[beam me up scottie]

54. You called them out for having the gall to criticize a liar.

And it backfired on you when you found out they were Latinos.

Now you're trying to pretend you were just being helpful.

[virtualobserver]

79. you are embarrassing yourself with how little you know about that protest and rally

then you are congratulating yourself that "some apparently thought the same way, since the protest was called off and instead made into a rally."

incredibly condescending........this was a protest of Latinos against their elected congressman, nothing changed there.

[lunamagica]

144. BooScout never did shuch thing. I'll just use one of your favorite terms

STRAWMAN

And at least to this Latina, Luis Gutierrez and Julian Castro rank way up higher than Sanders ever could.

I doubt I'm alone feeling this way

[beam me up scottie]

145. Sure she did:

"I merely pointed out that Bernie Sander's supporters might not win friends in the Latino Community by attacking and protesting a leader of the Latino community such as Joaquin Castro."

Telling Latinos how to support their preferred candidate didn't go over well here.

Not well at all.

[BooScout]

158. and again...no I didn't tell Latinos any such thing...

I suggested to Bernie supporters that attacking and protesting a leader of the Latino community because he dissed Sanders in their minds might not go over too well. But what the hey...keep on flinging mud at me and trying to twist my words and hoping something sticks...I'm in the Hillary camp....I can take it.

[beam me up scottie]

159. Hey, I'm not the only one who called you on it.

Don't blame others for your mistakes, this has nothing to do with Hillary.

[BooScout]

162. No you and a lot of Bernie supporters...

....use the same playbook. It certainly doesn't make you right. Keep on trying to repeat the same play though if it makes you happy. Practice makes perfect.

[beam me up scottie]

164. Latino Bernie supporters called you on it, don't you think you owe them an apology?

You used a despicable tactic to try to paint all Bernie supporters as insensitive to Latinos and like all race baiting it backfired.

[BooScout]

167. ...

Asked and answered.

[frylock]

180. You refuse to acknowledge that those protesters were Latino.

So yes, you're telling Latinos that "dissing" a Latino wouldn't be a good idea. Instead of acknowledging that, you continue to dig your own hole. A person of higher character would just admit that they made a mistake and move on.

[Evergreen Emerald]

35. It is not a fair criticism. It is his attempt to answer the question

He is attempting to answer the obvious question: how is he going to get this agenda passed with no support from the Congress? In answering this question he is attacking Obama rather than the true culprits.

Obama tried his ass off, and counted on us to rise and support him. Although some of us hollered, we did not rise up off the couch long enough to demand action. We elected him to lead the revolution. And then once elected, we expected him to do it without us. We should have been protesting in the streets with pitchforks.

Bernie is a mediocre life-long politician who does not have the ability to lead a revolution. He certainly has done nothing in his...what...50 years in public office? Talking the same talk, alienating the same people, and doing nothing to make change.

[aikoaiko]

37. Does not have the ability to lead a revolution, eh? Maybe, maybe not.

[Evergreen Emerald]

40. You missed the point.

Bernie is no Obama. Getting elected is only part of it. Obama asked repeatedly for us to support him. We should have. Instead we allowed the republicans to continue their same lying, inept ways...they even took the Senate!

Bernie has not shown any ability to make change. He is the status quo. He is the establishment.

His criticism of Obama is not truth. It is political bullshit. He is nothing more than a mediocre politician who has done nothing to assist Obama in the revolution we asked for.

[Armstead]

44. You have missed the point on a much more fundamental level /nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

47. Is this the "I'm rubber and you're glue" argument?

Nice.

[Armstead]

66. No, it is recognizing that your opinions are so rigid there's no use discussing it

So many distortions and wrongheaded interpretations....I have to make a living and can't waste the time trying to respond or refute them.

So, okay "I'm rubber you;re glue..."

[uponit7771]

87. This is a cut and run, screw opinion how about fact... Sanders criticism isn't fact based and its

... unfair at best seeing he never proffered a solution that was practical outside of rallying people to do the superfluous

[Armstead]

97. You'e right....It's a cut and run and I shouldn't have posted it.

I had a visceral response. It was inappropriate to do that if I wasn't willing to follow up. You're correct. My bad.

[mcar]

45. Exactly!

[uponit7771]

63. AMEN!! The ONE question Sanders and supptors REFUSE to answer practically is how in the

... hell are they going to deal with people who don't have to answer to them.

They can get 4 billion people to "call their representative" but that does little when a person is sponsered not by votes but overtly gerrymandered political lines.

I'm disappointed in that part of the Sanders movement, his criticism is short sided at best

[Armstead]

70. The problem is also Democrats who take money from the Big Corps and Investors

or else are so afraid of the Big Bad GOP that they surrender before the battle even starts.

[uponit7771]

81. There will ALWAYS be those on both sides, the onus of congress disfunction belongs on the heads

... of those who gerrymandered congress to the degree where they don't have to answer to the people who vote for them.

This happened in 2010 and it wasn't Obama's fault as Sanders intimates

[Armstead]

84. The onus of dysfunction belings on both...

[uponit7771]

90. I disagree on factual basis, Dems didn't gerrymander congress to the degree it's gerrymandered now..

.. I'm not going to go the route of false equivalencies..

It's the GOPs fault, they've been not only overtly obstructionist but in some cases just treasonous and going to the point of breaking laws or the spirit of them.

There's even a book about it called "Its worse and its the Republicans Fault" or titled something like that.

Obama is not part of that Onus, Obama called for a collective ... a fair criticism would be he didn't gather the collective and point them... but hell, he can't be a full time civil rights leader at the same time as being freakin president

That's what people expected...

That was and still is unreasonable

[Armstead]

98. The GOP is horrible and obstructionist, and gerrymandered Congress

You are totally correct. And they were corrupt and horrible long before Obama came on the scene. And will continue to be after he leaves.

But that doesn't give a pass to the Democrats who either failed to fight back or joined them to placate special interest groups. And it doesn't negate the fact that perhaps, just perhaps, that its time for the democrats to do some honest self-appraosal and looking for ways to address things more effectively.

[LondonReign2]

78. OK, I'll play: How will it be any different between Sanders and Clinton?

Won't either of them be facing the same obstructionist Congress?

[uponit7771]

86. No no no... Sanders will "gather the people" and "start a revolution" and get people to ...

... "call their representative" and shit like that...

Cause Obama never did any of that in part or whole /sarcasm

Sanders and Cornel West is starting to bother me a ittle more now

[LondonReign2]

96. Your hyperbole aside, how would Clinton and Sanders differ?

Your critique appears to be that Sanders can't truly get anything done...how would Clinton?

[LondonReign2]

80. "Bernie...is the status quo. He is the establishment."

He is?

And therefore Hillary is...what?

[treestar]

102. Member of the U.S. Senate

So claiming Hillary is establishment and he's not is incorrect. Also it would be said Hillary doesn't have many years as a senator. Yet she's the one deemed to be so establishment.

[LondonReign2]

110. It would be hard to imagine a less status quo legislator than Bernie

Nearly all of his policy positions challenge the status quo. Calling him status quo, in comparison to Hillary, is just bizarre.

Hillaryites frequently criticize Bernie as "too far left". Now he is both "too far left" and "status quo"???

This is reminiscent of the posts saying Bernie is too hawkish, for vote...Hillary.

[Armstead]

118. Don't expect logic or anything three-dimensional

[BooScout]

107. Tell it Evergreen Emerald!

You nailed it!

[aikoaiko]

113. Here is the point you're missing.

President Obama was able to stir excitement for hope and change in the face 8 years of Bush.

Sanders is achieving something comparable at this point in the primaries in the face of 8 years of Obama (a good Democrat). It would be so typical for the people to stick to the status quo (HRC) given Obama's good performance, but clearly many are abandoning HRC and moving to Sanders.

I see leadership of the people in Bernie Sanders in a context we haven't seen in a long time. Will he be able to maintain it post-election? We'll have to find out. I'm positive he will mobilize people better than HRC post-election.

[ibegurpard]

58. bullshit!

He FOUGHT us on issues and CONTINUES to do so!

[uponit7771]

64. Out of 1000 issues on left Obama fought all 1000!!?!? FUCK NO!! He's not perfect but this ...

..overt dismissal seems short sided at best

[Armstead]

105. Overt dismissal?

Ya know, it is quite possible to have strong disagreements, without considering criticism as "overt dismissals."

Obama is a really good president. In some ways, a great one. But -- brace yourself -- he is not perfect.

And not everyone agrees with the way he has handled every issue. And some people wish he had been more aggressive against the GOP/Corporate Conservatism.

People express their views with differing degrees of subtlty. Or respond calmly.

That is not "overt dismissal."

Nor is Sanders getting on the stump and yelling "Obama is the worst president ever." He supports him on the things he agrees with, is honest about things he doesn't agree with. Like trying to have an actual straightforward debate about issues.

[uponit7771]

138. "He FOUGHT us on issues and CONTINUES to do so!" is the post I was responding to. It's dismissive...

... to say that the president "fought us on issues" and then leave the other 1234o12;4un number of issues he supported out of context.

No on but Sanders and Sander supporters is expecting perfect out of any human, the critisicm levied is for the most part unfair because it minimizes the effects of the GOP congress without stating PRACTICALLY and in some cases just not mentioning anything at all...

of what Sanders would do different.

"call your represenative" is bullshit seeing they don't answer to the people who vote for them

[treestar]

62. Your middle paragraph really nails it

After six years of arguing with the "disappointed" on DU, that really says what I have been trying to say. We have representative self government. Sitting back after the election and expecting a President to have dictatorial powers (which they align with the bully pulpit) is not the way it works in the U.S. You can do something. You just have to do it, not rely so totally on the President. You can remind them there's a Congress until you turn blue and they simply respond that they think the POTUS should be able to apparently lead Congress, which is intended as a different branch and is meant to stop the POTUS from getting all he wants, and vice versa.

[riversedge]

99. It is a puzzle why no members of Congress

have endorsed him --at this point. Odd. But it could happen latter.

[BooScout]

109. It's not a puzzle to me.....

I think they know what he is all about after 'working' with him in Congress for years. I think they are endorsing Clinton because they have also worked with her and know what she is capable of. She get's shit done!

[frylock]

137. I don't think there's anything puzzling about establishment Dems..

endorsing the establishment candidate. Moreover, it's common knowledge in the Beltway that you do not cross the Clintons. What do you suppose was discussed when Hillary met with Congressional Dems several weeks ago?

[riversedge]

171. Well, pfffp to 'common knowledge"

--do not cross the Clinton's --That is hogwash. Look what happened in 2008 as a prime examaple --when many of the superdelegates moved to Obama.

[treestar]

65. Getting accused of that is so tired and run down

Just because something is a criticism does not make it valid or fair, and that's the take you have, not the "demand for fidelity."

Hell, much of my "fidelity" developed because of constantly defending the absurd and over the top and ignorant criticisms. If you are going to criticize other people, at least come up with something, not something so ridiculous that it's clear you just want to criticize. Like the right wingers who are against things only because Obama did it. You see them knowing nothing, zip about the Iran deal but still "criticizing." They have nothing other than Obama did it, so it must be wrong.

[Skwmom]

48. Oh, what a game. Bernie is not dissing Obama. Who would be more likely to make digs at Obama

if they were to take the Whitehouse. Bernie or Hillary and Bill? I don't think it takes a genius to figure that out.

[uponit7771]

59. This needed to be said!! Thank you!! Sanders dismissal is common place thinking among...

... people who unfairly criticise; there's seldom credit or recognition of what Obama had to deal with.

[Cha]

83. Team Obama is on it! They're not standing by while BS tells falsehoods. Who does he think he's

running against for President?

More of President Obama's legacy..

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
5:19 AM - 8 Sep 2015 154 154 Retweets
115 115 favorites

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/irandeal-dont-ever-underestimate-president-barack-obama/

Mahalo President Obama, SOS Kerry, VP Biden!

[riversedge]

100. I thank my goddesses for Pres Obama.

[Number23]

185. And man, did it rustle up some panic from the usual crew or what????

Good Lord, I'm still trying to figure out exactly when this was said but everytime someone tries to post a bit of info, one of the ones running literally up and down and up and down this thread 20, 30 times calling it "bullshit" and ever so desperately trying to change the subject to DUers instead of Sanders own words keeps gettin in the way.

If it's such "bullshit", then good grief, why the panicked responses????

[WDIM]

111. Obama sold out his supporters and the American people.

Starting with the bank bailout that gave billions of dollars to rich billionaire bankers while middle class americans were losing their homes. He covered the bad bets of the banks and left the people to fend for themselves.

Then the affordable care act that forces americans to buy insurance from greedy billiionaire insurance companies with no public option.

Then Occupy Wall Street took to the streets and the people rised up asking for change and Obama allowed the militarized police force to brutally put down that movement and gave no support to the people that supported him. Obama asked for the people to help him make the change but when the people took to the street they were met with violent repression.

He has continued illegal acts of war around the globe. He has continued US interference in elections and governments of our neighbors in central and south america.

He has continued a failed drug war against people peacefully growing and using plants.

He has continued relations with violent and repressive dictatorships in the middle east. Countries that knowingly fund terrorist and wars and allow the oppression and brutalization of women ie Saudi arabia, Qatar, Bahrain and UAE.

He has continued mass surveillance of the American people violating our 4th amendment rights.

He has continued failed free trade agreements and has pushed for new ones without an open debate in front of the American people.

Obama's administration has been a continuation of the Reagon era clinton era and bush era policies that are destroying the middle class and increasing the wealth in the hands of the very few.

I have lost all hope to see any change because not one thing has.

[Cha]

116. No, President Obama didn't sell out anyone.. that's just rw propaganda. Obama just got us a PEACE

DEAL with Iran.

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
BREAKING: IT'S DONE!! 41Senators now back the #IranDeal - Obama doesn't have to use his veto!! HUGE VICTORY!
@MarkRuffalo @JohnFugelsang
5:19 AM - 8 Sep 2015 154 154 Retweets
115 115 favorites

Trita Parsi
✔ ?@tparsi
Significance of this victory cant be overstated. Our side was Obama and a large, diversity coalition. The other side was 2-4 billionaires...
5:34 AM - 8 Sep 2015
69 69 Retweets 46 46 favorites

http://theobamadiary.com/2015/09/08/irandeal-dont-ever-underestimate-president-barack-obama/

Mahalo President Obama, SOS Kerry, and VP Biden!

[WDIM]

131. It is not a peace agreement we are not at war with Iran.

He made a deal with Iran so they can develop nuclear energy that was all. it has nothing to do with peace.

The biggest funders of terrorism are the brutal dictatorships I listed above and the Obama admin has maintained appeasement relationships with them and they are the cause for the continued destablization of the middle east.

There is not one RW point in my post.

[Cha]

135. Oh please, you don't know anything about it.. Obama has a strong coalition that votes for Peace

over war.

[WDIM]

149. I wish that were true

Unfortunately his continuation of Bush's preemptive war strategy in the middle east and the interfering in other governments and supporting violent armed insurrectionist has lead us to the IS crisis and all the destablization and chaos we are seeing over there.

Sitting idly by while countries like the ones i listed above fund IS and allowing IS to sell oil and not punishing the countries that buy it is allowing IS evil to persist.

Air supplies we send over there get intercepted by IS. All the military weapons and vehicles we left over there are getting taken over by IS and we still send more weapons and supplies.

To chose peace would be to not participate in the violence in the middle east, to chose peace would be a complete withdraw from the region and to pledge nonviolence and neutrality.

One will never find peace through war only the rejection of war.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

115. I agree with Sanders.

[Skwmom]

125. Agreed. A lot of the above is just manipulative noise that I tuned out. n/t

[sadoldgirl]

132. He may not have sold us out,

because we wanted to believe that he would bring a lot
of change. We should not forget that he called himself
a republican in the 80ties style, after he became POTUS.
We were fooled, at least the progressives were. Our shame.

He had the supporting polls for a public option (over 60%),
he had the supporting polls for the expiration of the Bush
tax cuts, etc. There are a lot of HRC supporters here, who
seem to live and breathe polls. Go back then, and check
the polls at that time about the issues. You will find that
the public was more than ready for change, and that even
included repugs. It did not happen.

I have sent e-mails to the WH, I called the WH. I did the
same within my state. I never even got an answer. Will
Bernie be different? Looking at his consistency over the years
I hope so.Nobody can guarantee it, but I know already
that his cabinet will look very different from Obama's.

[MoveIt]

134. And Sanders would not pull the Cabinet of Rivals ploy

[uponit7771]

140. Please link and quote Obama saying he'd CALLED HIMSELF a republican in the 80s?

.. or is this more of the lying bullshit FUD that is being put out so Sanders can feel good at distancing himself from Obama?!

You know...

If Sanders becomes the nominee he'd stick to Obama like no tommorrow right?!!?

You think you'd get a 90+ % turnout in the AA community by doing what blue dog dems do in off year elections to Obama?!?!?

Sanders is part of the machine, could care less what face he puts on

[arcane1]

182. I think it was more like "my current policies would be considered moderate repub in the 80's"

He didn't say, to my knowledge, that in the 80's he was a republican.

[BooScout]

141. Hmmmmmmmmm

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[Fawke Em]

150. OFFS

http://www.answers.com/article/1212252/10-times-the-clintons-have-totally-dissed-obama

Hillary Clinton took a swing at the Obama economy in 2014, telling an audience, "Instead of getting ahead, [families are] finding it harder and harder than ever to get their footing in our changing economy. The dream of upward mobility that made this country a model for the world feels further and further out of reach."

At a dinner with college friends in 2013, Hillary Clinton allegedly called Obama "incompetent" and "feckless." She vented that, "the thing with Obama is that he can't be bothered, and there is no hand on the tiller half the time. That's the story of the Obama presidency. No hand on the f*king tiller."

[BooScout]

153. More from Ed Klein?!

[Fawke Em]

160. I'd stop laughing.

She just dissed him again today by sabre rattling our way BACK into the Middle East.

But she did say that his "don't do stupid shit" wasn't an organizing principle.

[Bluenorthwest]

154. After your post the other day lecturing Sanders supporters who are Latino that they have to adore

Joaquin Castro because you assumed those protesting Castro were frothing white racists it's impossible to read your posts without gagging. The fact that you left it there after you were told the truth makes it much, much worse.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251572717

[BooScout]

155. The truth according to who?

Obviously your version of the truth and mine differ. So does Obama's truth and Bernie's version of the truth.

Thanks for responding though and have a nice day.

[progressoid]

156. Um, wtf?

Bernie is running against Obama?

[DemocraticWing]

173. I can't imagine you seriously believe Hillary is a friend to President Obama

I hate to break it to you, but there's a reason why Biden's looking into running and it isn't to challenge Hillary from the Left or the Right.

It's to save the Obama legacy.

[Gothmog]

179. She does not have to be his friend to advance their common goals

Biden is looking at running as a failsafe in case the Clinton campaign implodes. Until that happens, I doubt that Biden will get in. If the Clinton campaign did implode, then Biden would get in to try to save this cycle and protect the SCOTUS

[BooScout]

189. I am locking this thread by self delete.

I no longer feel safe in this forum.