An American Ambassador died on Hillary Clinton's watch. He was HER employee; MURDERED.

[cherokeeprogressive]

I don't hear much about Christopher Stevens. An American Ambassador is the face we as a country present to the world.

Time was, Ambassadors were serious business. Ambassadors. Liasons between US, and the fucking WORLD. They were not chosen by fiat, they were chosen because they had GRAVITAS. They were the kind of people who could, (without meaning any offense here) "sell snowballs to Eskimoes". They understood protocol. They were able to sit with People of Power in other countries and soothe their ruffled nerves.

Today they're campaign contributors. Caroline Kennedy couldn't speak a WORD of Japanese when appointed, nor had ever had the inclination to learn. Today an Ambassadorship is a gift.

Christopher Stevens didn't FIT that mold. He was truly enthralled with the people of Libya and people of the Middle East at large. He spent most of his adult life trying to make their lives better.

In the days before he died, he sent URGENT messages to the Department of State entailing the breakdown of security in Libya. He literally begged for an increase in security. Someone denied those requests, and in the end, Christopher Stevens and four brave men who endeavored to keep him safe died.

Hillary Clinton claims not to have seen his URGENT messages. Contemplate this: The Secretary of State, the person Christopher Stevens was DIRECTLY accountable to, claims NOT TO HAVE SEEN his requests, and because of that, he was brutally murdered along with four others.

We don't hear much about Christopher Stevens today. The MURDER of a US Ambassador somehow doesn't merit discussion.

It happened on Hillary Clinton's watch. It happened because she "didn't see" his URGENT requests for extra security in a deteriorating place.

Forget the bullshit about the "video" and the fact that when Ambassador Stevens was murdered only a few thousand people THE WORLD OVER had seen it. THAT'S not important.

What IS important (at least to me) is HOW an AMBASSADOR could reach out to the SECRETARY OF STATE in an URGENT manner before he was murdered, and NOT have his cables reach the Secretary of State's EYES.

If those cables DID reach Secretary Clinton's eyes; she's LYING. If those cables DIDN'T reach her eyes... there was a systemic flaw in the way her Department of State was run and as we all know: SHIT RUNS UPHILL, all the way to the top.

This bullshit spewed by Hillary's supporters... this "BENGHAZI! BENGHAZI! EMAIL EMAIL" bullshit is insulting to the very core of my being. Sometimes I feel like screaming back "CHRISTOPHER STEVENS! MURDERED!" in response.

An American Ambassador was murdered. He reached out to the Secretary of State in an URGENT manner requesting extra security. The Secretary of State says she never saw his cables and within hours of his death blamed it on some dickhead in Cerritos, California and the Department of Homeland Security sent more people to his house than the WHOLE FUCKING AMERICAN GOVERNMENT sent to save an Ambassador.

She wants to be President? Not really. She wants to be the FIRST FEMALE President.

I could NEVER support her... thank goodness I don't have to. I live in California.

[jfern]

1. I'm a Sanders supporter and I don't care

[840high]

77. I'm a Bernie supporter and I do care.

[AtomicKitten]

98. ditto

[mylye2222]

159. The real mattet behind all of this

is a matter of integrity.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

255. There are rules for Republicans and there are rules for Clinton

I think plenty of foreign service people have died under previous SS and presidents' watches.


Under Bush

January 22, 2002. Calcutta, India. Gunmen associated with Harkat-ul-Jihad al-Islami attack the U.S. Consulate. Five people are killed.
June 14, 2002. Karachi, Pakistan. Suicide bomber connected with al-Qaida attacks the U.S. Consulate, killing 12 and injuring 51.
October 12, 2002. Denpasar, Indonesia. U.S. diplomatic offices bombed as part of a string of “Bali Bombings.” No fatalities.
February 28, 2003. Islamabad, Pakistan. Several gunmen fire upon the U.S. Embassy. Two people are killed.
May 12, 2003. Riyadh, Saudi Arabia. Armed al-Qaida terrorists storm the diplomatic compound killing 36 people including nine Americans. The assailants committed suicide by detonating a truck bomb.
July 30, 2004. Tashkent, Uzbekistan. A suicide bomber from the Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan attacks the U.S. Embassy, killing two people.
December 6, 2004. Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. Al-Qaida terrorists storm the U.S. Consulate and occupy the perimeter wall. Nine people are killed.
March 2, 2006. Karachi, Pakistan again. Suicide bomber attacks the U.S. Consulate killing four people, including U.S. diplomat David Foy who was directly targeted by the attackers. (I wonder if Lindsey Graham or Fox News would even recognize the name “David Foy.” This is the third Karachi terrorist attack in four years on what’s considered American soil.)
September 12, 2006. Damascus, Syria. Four armed gunmen shouting “Allahu akbar” storm the U.S. Embassy using grenades, automatic weapons, a car bomb and a truck bomb. Four people are killed, 13 are wounded.
January 12, 2007. Athens, Greece. Members of a Greek terrorist group called the Revolutionary Struggle fire a rocket-propelled grenade at the U.S. Embassy. No fatalities.
March 18, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Members of the al-Qaida-linked Islamic Jihad of Yemen fire a mortar at the U.S. Embassy. The shot misses the embassy, but hits nearby school killing two.
July 9, 2008. Istanbul, Turkey. Four armed terrorists attack the U.S. Consulate. Six people are killed.
September 17, 2008. Sana’a, Yemen. Terrorists dressed as military officials attack the U.S. Embassy with an arsenal of weapons including RPGs and detonate two car bombs. Sixteen people are killed, including an American student and her husband (they had been married for three weeks when the attack occurred). This is the second attack on this embassy in seven months

[roguevalley]

227. just so you know, the hillary group is lit up over this. I personally hate that

man is dead. he was a good man from all accounts.

[Cali_Democrat]

278. Benghazi was a tragic event that the right wing used to try and discredit Obama

right before the 2012 election.

And they've kept it going ever since in order to try and discredit Hillary.

[leveymg]

288. Benghazi! is a RW distraction from the very real policy failure

of the Petraeus CIA and Clinton State Dept in Libya and Syria. The GOP actually like the outcome of serial regime change, sectarian warfare, and mass destruction across the Mideast but want to exploit its failures for their own fun and profit.

This OP feeds right into the RW narrative of distraction.

[FarPoint]

232. I like Bernie but his supporters are ruining his campaign.

Viciously attacking Hillary with Right Wing rhetoric will destroy everything Democrats strive for in America...that encompasses Bernie Sanders campaign.

[truebrit71]

290. And Hillary supporters are pure as the driven, yes?

Don't make me laugh....

[FarPoint]

307. This is no laughing matter.

I vote Blue...I don't use right wing or Fox noise tactics against any Democratic candidate.... I just won't.

[rhett o rick]

247. You cared enough to jump into the first response. nm

[jfern]

268. Lets stick to attacking her on legit things

Iraq war, Syria war, fracking, Honduras coup, bankruptcy bill, repeal of Glass Steagall, not supporting SSM until 2013, and so on. Not this shit.

[CreekDog]

314. With Democrats like cherokeeprogressive, who needs Republicans?

[Hekate]

318. No shit. Facts obviously do not matter any more.

[hrmjustin]

2. Perhaps you can get a job on Trey Gowdy's committee.

[freshwest]

118. The GOP Congress denied repeated request by State, including HRC herself the week before, for more

Embassy security. This was posted on DU when the first of the hearings began. How could anyone forget that?

[hrmjustin]

123. Blinded by hatred of Hillary.

[freshwest]

128. Well, it's been on since Rush made his career on it followed by virtually each of the cable network

punditry starting their career by going after Clinton. All of those guys are still on MSM.

They've taken over radio, television and other venues until it's an echo chamber with no oppostition. It's like 'surround sound' as it was once called.

Repetition really does work.

[SidDithers]

170. Yup. The right hates Hillary. The fringe left hates Hillary...

And it's getting harder and harder to tell them apart.

Sid

[MohRokTah]

180. They went so far to the left, they came up on the far right. eom

[George II]

194. Especially when the fringe left starts parroting the talking points of the hard right.

[1StrongBlackMan]

208. If, I, as a Black man, held a position ...

That was fully supported by the kkk, and few others, I would hope I would have the common sense to re-think my position.

Just saying ...

[George II]

212. Or if you didn't re-think it, you'd probably have the sense to keep it to yourself!

[1StrongBlackMan]

216. Yes ...

And get myself to the nearest mental health facility.

I mean, really ... how the hell so many "DU:progressives" can, literally and knowingly, quote limbaugh, beck and trey, and NOT ask themselves, WTF am I thinking/saying ... is way beyond me.

[hughee99]

281. Exactly! That's why Hillary never got the message from Stevens, because of the GOP congress.

[leveymg]

313. This is not why he died. If Stevens wanted, he could have driven to the airport a week before.

Last edited Sun Aug 30, 2015, 01:40 PM - Edit history (4)

It was his decision to stay on in Benghazi despite warnings he and other US diplomats and CIA officers received that Islamist militia groups he was dealing with in Eastern Libya had growing hostility to aspects of US involvement in the region. Ultimately, it was his choice to remain based on his and others misunderstanding of the Libyan opposition and other US "allies". See, A Deadly Mix in Benghazi by David D. Kirkpatrick December 28, 2013, http://www.nytimes.com/projects/2013/benghazi/#/?chapt=0

Members of the local militia groups that the Americans called on for help proved unreliable, even hostile. The fixation on Al Qaeda might have distracted experts from more imminent threats. Those now look like intelligence failures.

More broadly, Mr. Stevens, like his bosses in Washington, believed that the United States could turn a critical mass of the fighters it helped oust Colonel Qaddafi into reliable friends. He died trying.

Let's not forget why Stevens was still in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012 - for 18 months he had been the lead of a US gov't interagency team that was coordinating the armed overthrow of Ghadaffi, and after the regime's complete destruction, a coordinated transfer with Qatar and the UAE of arms and fighters from Libya to Syria. See, U.S.-Approved Arms for Libya Rebels Fell Into Jihadis’ Hands, By JAMES RISEN, MARK MAZZETTI and MICHAEL S. SCHMIDTDEC. 5, 2012, http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html?_r=0

WASHINGTON — The Obama administration secretly gave its blessing to arms shipments to Libyan rebels from Qatar last year, but American officials later grew alarmed as evidence grew that Qatar was turning some of the weapons over to Islamic militants, according to United States officials and foreign diplomats.

. . .

The Obama administration did not initially raise objections when Qatar began shipping arms to opposition groups in Syria, even if it did not offer encouragement, according to current and former administration officials. But they said the United States has growing concerns that, just as in Libya, the Qataris are equipping some of the wrong militants.

The United States, which had only small numbers of C.I.A. officers in Libya during the tumult of the rebellion, provided little oversight of the arms shipments. Within weeks of endorsing Qatar’s plan to send weapons there in spring 2011, the White House began receiving reports that they were going to Islamic militant groups. They were “more antidemocratic, more hard-line, closer to an extreme version of Islam” than the main rebel alliance in Libya, said a former Defense Department official. The Qatari assistance to fighters viewed as hostile by the United States demonstrates the Obama administration’s continuing struggles in dealing with the Arab Spring uprisings, as it tries to support popular protest movements while avoiding American military entanglements. Relying on surrogates allows the United States to keep its fingerprints off operations, but also means they may play out in ways that conflict with American interests.

. . .

He said that Qatar would not have gone through with the arms shipments if the United States had resisted them, but other current and former administration officials said Washington had little leverage at times over Qatari officials. “They march to their own drummer,” said a former senior State Department official. The White House and State Department declined to comment.

. . .

But after the White House decided to encourage Qatar — and on a smaller scale, the United Arab Emirates — to ship arms to the Libyans, President Obama complained in April 2011 to the emir of Qatar that his country was not coordinating its actions in Libya with the United States, the American officials said. “The president made the point to the emir that we needed transparency about what Qatar was doing in Libya,” said a former senior administration official who had been briefed on the matter.

About that same time, Mahmoud Jibril, then the prime minister of the Libyan transitional government, expressed frustration to administration officials that the United States was allowing Qatar to arm extremist groups opposed to the new leadership, according to several American officials. They, like nearly a dozen current and former White House, diplomatic, intelligence, military and foreign officials, would speak only on the condition of anonymity for this article. The administration has never determined where all of the weapons, paid for by Qatar and the United Arab Emirates, went inside Libya, officials said. Qatar is believed to have shipped by air and sea small arms, including machine guns, automatic rifles, and ammunition, for which it has demanded reimbursement from Libya’s new government. Some of the arms since have been moved from Libya to militants with ties to Al Qaeda in Mali, where radical jihadi factions have imposed Shariah law in the northern part of the country, the former Defense Department official said. Others have gone to Syria, according to several American and foreign officials and arms traders.

Although NATO provided air support that proved critical for the Libyan rebels, the Obama administration wanted to avoid getting immersed in a ground war, which officials feared could lead the United States into another quagmire in the Middle East.

Within months after the attack in Benghazi, the flow of arms and fighters from Libya to Syria escalated, along with the direct role of Gulf states, particularly Qatar, in large-scale transfers as the US moved toward open arming of the Syrian opposition: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/22/world/africa/in-a-turnabout-syria-rebels-get-libyan-weapons.html

Evidence gathered in Syria, along with flight-control data and interviews with militia members, smugglers, rebels, analysts and officials in several countries, offers a profile of a complex and active multinational effort, financed largely by Qatar, to transport arms from Libya to Syria’s opposition fighters. Libya’s own former fighters, who sympathize with Syria’s rebels, have been eager collaborators.
. . .

As the United States and its Western allies move toward providing lethal aid to Syrian rebels, these secretive transfers give insight into an unregistered arms pipeline that is difficult to monitor or control. And while the system appears to succeed in moving arms across multiple borders and to select rebel groups, once inside Syria the flow branches out. Extremist fighters, some of them aligned with Al Qaeda, have the money to buy the newly arrived stock, and many rebels are willing to sell.

. . .

Those weapons, which slipped from state custody as Colonel Qaddafi’s people rose against him in 2011, are sent on ships or Qatar Emiri Air Force flights to a network of intelligence agencies and Syrian opposition leaders in Turkey. From there, Syrians distribute the arms according to their own formulas and preferences to particular fighting groups, which in turn issue them to their fighters on the ground, rebels and activists said.

Qatari C-17 cargo aircraft have made at least three stops in Libya this year — including flights from Mitiga airport in Tripoli on Jan. 15 and Feb. 1, and another that departed Benghazi on April 16, according to flight data provided by an aviation official in the region. The planes returned to Al Udeid Air Base in Qatar. The cargo was then flown to Ankara, Turkey, along with other weapons and equipment that the Qataris had been gathering for the rebels, officials and rebels said.

In the end, it was the failure of a US covert activity, which was most enthusiastically promoted and co-managed by David Petraeus' CIA with Hillary Clinton's State Department, that sealed Ambassador Steven's fate. That is a fact that neither the Administration nor Republicans in Congress who essentially agreed with the program of serial regime change want the American public to clearly understand.

[okasha]

249. Bedpan carrier.

He's showing off his moves in the OP.

[Cali_Democrat]

324. Do you think he's possibly looking for an internship?

Perhaps the OP can forward his resume?

[hrmjustin]

325. Perhaps. Seems to like to believe rw fantasy when it comes to HRC.

[Cali_Democrat]

327. McCarthy admitted that the whole thing was political. nt

[PatrickforO]

3. I care that he was killed and about his family, who are surely still mourning.

But was it really Clinton's fault, or can that be traced back to Republican budget cuts? I say the latter, because think about what we hear on the fires in the northwest - the GOP penchant to cut, cut, cut has hurt our ability to deal with these fires. And think of the recent ebola scare (remember Lindsey Graham, "We're ALL gonna dayah"?); it was GOP cut, cut, cutting that caused us not to be able to confine that to Africa in the first place.

You can't lower taxes and run the programs Americans need.

I'm not supporting Clinton for president, but this is really not why.

[cherokeeprogressive]

11. Republican budget cuts could not have kept his cables from Hillary Clinton's eyes.

That would have had to happen because of a systemic problem within the State Department making it possible for URGENT cables from an Ambassador to go unseen by the Secretary of State. On the other hand, if Hillary Clinton DID see his cables and disregarded them... Christopher Stevens' blood is on her hands.

Either way... it points to a deficiency in the way the State Department was run under her watch.

My opinion is if there are systemic problems at the State Department under your watch... you don't deserve to be promoted.

No more Peter Principle of promotion ESPECIALLY when it comes to the Executive.

[PatrickforO]

13. Well, I don't disagree with you.

I did develop serious doubts about Clinton's leadership in her primary battle with Obama. Her campaign pretty much imploded with people sniping at each other, and that isn't very encouraging when you think she wants to be Pres.

[AtomicKitten]

100. It was a consequential fuckup of Obama's presidency.

And it happened on her watch. I believe it deserves consideration in this primary election.

[Hekate]

321. It was a consequential fuckup of the REPUBLICAN CONGRESS.

[AtomicKitten]

322. I think there's plenty of blame to spread around.

It is worthy of consideration in this election. Nobody deserves a pass; lives were lost. This isn't the Special Olympics.

[Separation]

145. ?

Maybe she never got the email? I mean she was AOL as her personal email server!!

[George II]

196. With all your bluster and rants, I'm not surprised that there isn't a single source for the stuff...

...you threw out nor an accurate timeline of the events surrounding that horrible incident.

No, you're so obsessed with viciously attacking Hillary Clinton that you've allowed it to get in the way of the facts (IF you even cared about the facts)

[Live and Learn]

4. Oh great.

[Adrahil]

5. Benghazi!!!

Forward your application to Fox News.

[hrmjustin]

6. Sort of just outed himself.

[FarPoint]

234. You got that right.

[hrmjustin]

235. And a few of his friends.

[FarPoint]

239. I believe making a list in in order.

Long past due for me.

[hrmjustin]

240. Juryblacklist and ignore list.

But i tried ignore dozens of times but i get bored of it.

[FarPoint]

241. Sad but true...

Makes it difficult to hang out here longer than 15 minutes.

[jfern]

7. Just wait, if Sanders gets the nomination

Somehow it will be his fault, and it'll be Bernghazi!

[pansypoo53219]

149. GOP tourette's

[oasis]

8. Glad you could finally share your feelings after months of agonizing.

[cherokeeprogressive]

14. An American Ambassador sends an URGENT message to the Secretary of State.

SOMEONE decides it's not important enough to show her.

The Ambassador is murdered, along with his security team.

Answer me this: Is an URGENT message about security from an American Ambassador something that need not pass under the Secretary of State's nose?

Yes. Or. No.

If it DID, and she did nothing about it and he was MURDERED, does she bear any blame? Yes. No.

If it DIDN'T... does that say anything about how the Department of State operated when she sat at its helm?

Yes. Or. No.

[oasis]

32. Many in the world were saddened by the event, as was I.

Pointing fingers at Hillary or Obama does very little good this far down the road. As passionate as you seem to be about the incident, perhaps you should have weighed in on this during the time it happened.

[cherokeeprogressive]

35. I did. That very day. And my post was hidden.

[oasis]

43. The very day of the attack, before all the evidence was in?

I gotta say, with all due respect, you must have a longstanding grudge against Hillary.

[cherokeeprogressive]

45. No. My anger was directed at the people who MURDERED Ambassador Stevens.

He spent the better part of his adult life trying to make their lives better, and his thanks was murder and desecration.

My post was hidden for speaking out in anger against his murderers.

[hrmjustin]

49. Yeah and all of a sudden your pissed a t Hillary for it.

Not buying your story.

[cherokeeprogressive]

50. What story is it you're not buying?

[hrmjustin]

52. Yours.

[cherokeeprogressive]

55. Eloquence is not your strong point? Or do you not HAVE an opposite point to make?

[hrmjustin]

57. My point is I don't buy your anger at this.

I think you will say anything because you hate Hillary.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. You don't buy my anger at the murder of an American Ambassador that might have been avoided.

An. American. Ambassador.

Diplomacy. I'm guessing it's not your strong suit.

[hrmjustin]

63. Nope. I think you hate Hillary and posted a garbage op to trash her.

Not diplomatic to Democrats who spew rw bullshit.

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. So discussing the murder of an American Ambassador is garbage.

Are you fucking SERIOUS?

A person whose ONLY responsibility was to represent the United States to his assigned foreign country was MURDERED.

He worked for the Secretary of State. Answered to NO ONE but the Secretary of State. He was MURDERED. His murder could have possibly been prevented... but it wasn't because his URGENT cables didn't reach his BOSS. His BOSS saw to it that more people went to the home of some DUFUS in Cerritos, California than went to her employee's aid before the murder. Those are FACTS.

No problem there... just right wing talking points.

[hrmjustin]

68. You are trying to hard. Don't bother because I can see right through your act.

Will you support HRC if she wins the nomination?

[cherokeeprogressive]

106. Yes.

Not because I think she's the BEST Democrat though... I don't and you poking me with a stick and telling me I'm not on the right side won't be the reason I'll vote the same ticket I always have.

[randys1]

261. This OP and thread might as well be on Free Republic. DU has jumped the whale

[Arkana]

266. Then be angry at the people who murdered him.

Be angry at the fucksticks who refused to commit more funding for embassy security.

Be angry at the assholes on the right, like Mitt Romney, who used his death to make political hay before his body had cooled.

Why you feel the need to piss all over Hillary Clinton for Benghazi is beyond me.

[brush]

150. You downplay impact of that anti-Muslim video but . . .

it had a lot to do with what happened in several countries in the region and it spilled over to Benghazi.

The guy who made it had just gotten out of prison but somehow was able to gather a movie crew, equipment, actors, locations and a script. He got the film made and distributed in the Middle East — all this was done by a guy just out of prison.

Who funded this? Where the hell did this convict get the money and liaisons to get all that done? And once it was done why was he railroaded right back to prison.

Yeah, he was used and sent back to prison. Some powerful forces made all that happen.

Perhaps you should direct some of your blame on Pamela Gellar and her Muslim hating organization.

[oasis]

73. Wow. Speaking out against murder got you hidden?

DU had to be terribly strict in those days. I wasn't posting during that period, but I would guess most DUers expressed themselves in similar fashion on the subject. I'll bet the juries had to put in for overtime.

Anyway, we agree that the Bengazi attack was a horrible event and the innocent lives lost there deserve to be honored and remembered.

[cherokeeprogressive]

83. My hidden post wasn't PC. I blamed extremist Muslims for his death. I earned the hide.

[George II]

203. And now coincidentally four years later you're going on a rant........

.........(and using hard right-wing talking points and "facts&quot to viciously attack Hillary Clinton.

Even those closest to the REAL facts have absolved Clinton of any culpability.

I wouldn't be surprised if your next rant is about the USS Cole, Khobar Towers, etc.

[Gothmog]

176. Really?

[George II]

185. You obviously haven't learned enough about the attack to talk about it. This is...

....Free Republic material, not DEMOCRATIC material.

PS - posting stuff like this will NOT get Bernie Sanders the nomination!

[HassleCat]

253. No

My experience in the military informs me many messages are marked as urgent or immediate attention or whatever. Also, many are over-classified, sent as top secret when they contain no classified information. The result is that many messages are read by some GS-5 file clerk and thrown in the burn bag.

[brush]

311. You're back with these winger talking points? You tried this yesterday.

Give it a rest already. Stop doing repug dirt.

Haven't you heard at all of the timeline of Stevens death?

You're implying that he was sending urgent messages to the SOS while the attack was in progress.

That is not what happened at all. He was caught out in an area without bodyguards in an area he normally would not have gone.

Who knows why he was there but there certainly weren't any urgent messages being sent to Hillary by Stevens while the attack happened.

Again, stop with the repug dirt.

[TwilightGardener]

9. I fault the DoD more than State as far as that goes. When everything was going to shit

in a hurry, a rescue plan should have been prepared. Note that ever since Benghazi, we have troops and ships on standby, ready to get our personnel out of Yemen, South Sudan, etc. Edit to add: the people most responsible for Stevens getting less security than needed were Undersecretary Kennedy at State and Leon Panetta, who (probably inadvertently) signed off on a reduced security detail. I cannot remember where I read this, though--I think it was Congressional testimony by some witness.

[Lint Head]

10. Wasn't this same screed on Fox News?

[napi21]

12. Horse Poop! International security was cut back BY THE REPUBLICANS!

When you do away with money to various programs, they can't do as much as they used to. They have LESS PEOPLE! That same statement applies to every program! When the next bridge in the US collapses, or levees fail in a bad storm, REMEMBER who is at fault! I know I will!

[cherokeeprogressive]

17. So budget cuts affected whether or not Secretary Clinton saw URGENT messages from Ambassadors.

Is that what you're saying?

[brush]

151. You keep talkin about "urgent messages" from Stevens to the ambassador

Haven't you heard at all of the timeline of Stevens death?

You're implying that he was sending urgent messages to her while the attack was in progress.

That is not what happened at all. He was caught out in an area without bodyguards in an area he normally would not have gone.

Who knows why he was there but there certainly weren't any urgent messages being sent to Hillary by Stevens while the attack happened.

You're also ignoring that the repugs cut the security budget for all embassies at the time.

Your OP sounds like something that came out of Benghazi hearings, implying that Hillary failed to send troops that could have saved the ambassador.

What is this really about? Is it your intent to revive "Benghazi, Benghazi, Benghazi" to go along with the current repug non-scandal, the one about Hillary's emails?

Good luck with that. I think you'll have better luck on right wing sites though.

[freshwest]

315. Even after the Benghazi committee's official finding was that neither HRC or PBO made any mistakes.

The reason the committee exists is solely partisan and has moved onto to other discredited or debunked conspiracy theories that will prove to have no purpose other than to demoralize Democrats to keep them from voting for whoever is the presumed nominee, HRC.

She is not guaranteed that, but they are willing to spend billions to keep her out of office and forget who is funding this. It's the methodology the GOP has used since Nixon and his CREEP group worked to divide all Democrats.

And these are the same people who have taken over the government, media and American mind since then. People have, as JAG says, BAMBOZZLED and are still clininging onto the illusions they were sold.

[napi21]

260. Maybe. I suspect all emails are seen, at least first, by some other members of the State Dept,

other than the Secretary. If they KNEW, because of budget cuts, there was no possibility of sending additional security, why would they forward that email to the Secretary?

One thing I do know for sure is that when they knew there was real trouble, there were no planes availabler within ay reasonable striking distance to lend assistance. The closest base was Sigonella in Sicily, and not only did they not have any planes that cpuld do the job, they were still way too far away. I know that because my son worked at Sigonella at the time.

[procon]

15. Hillary killed my dieffenbachia.

She drank all my wine and stole my stash, too.

[cherokeeprogressive]

22. Laugh all you want. An American Ambassador is dead, as are the brave men who protected him.

We don't hear about that much... do we?

An American Ambassador. Murdered. You laugh at me because I think it happened because of deficiencies at the Hillary Clinton run State Department.

Okay.

Why don't YOU tell me why he was murdered then... and drop the fuckhead in Cerritos, California defense. It's bullshit and everyone knows it.

[LuvLoogie]

42. Keep burnishing that pebble

it might turn to gold.

[procon]

88. I'm still perplexed by your cryptic reference to "Ceritos",

although as soon as I figure out that riddle, maybe we could compare prescriptions?

[cherokeeprogressive]

97. Some Dufus who lives (lived) in the L.A. suburb of Cerritos was and still is to blame for a video...

That video was the one Hillary Clinton and President Obama blamed for Christopher Stevens' death.

The only meds I take are to control my blood pressure, but thanks for your concern.

[Arkana]

267. Several proctoscopic GOP investigations by people

who fucking HATE Hillary Clinton have found absolutely nothing.

What exactly do you think is being hidden here?

[freshwest]

134. She killed Old Yeller, too. If that doesn't make you cry, you have no heart. n/t

[HassleCat]

254. On a lighter note

When I was 4 years old, my parents took me to see Old Yeller. Big mistake! The only thing I remembered from the whole movie was when they shot the dog. For two weeks after seeing the movie, I would randomly burst into tears and start yelling about killing Old Yeller.

[freshwest]

317. Yeah, it's supposed to be a measure of humanity according to the country song 'She Never Cried...'

Her baby blue eyes had the warning signs
That woman was bad to the bone
She never cried when old Yeller died
So do you think I'll cry when she's gone

Kind of like the motto that if your dog doesn't like someone, stay away. Dogs can sense things we can't, you know.

Just kidding, but anyone can say anything about HRC and it get justified. Like she doesn't put on her pants one leg at time like the rest of us do, whatever.

Like Obama, depository of the national ID.

[Laser102]

195. That one made me laugh!

[msrizzo]

256. Me too.

And I'm still laughing. Good thing no one but my dog is around to hear it. He already thinks I'm crazy.

[Cheese Sandwich]

16. Maybe they should have sent some backup.

Maybe it is a real case of mismanagement and that's why the GOPs love attacking with it.

The much bigger problem though is the whole Libya policy in general, thinking they could knock down a government and anything but chaos would follow.

It would be kind of like criticizing Bush for mismanaging the invasion of Iraq. Yeah he did, but it distracts from the real issue that we shouldn't have been there in the first place.

GOPs focus on Benghazi because that's all they have, since most of them supported the disastrous Libya policy in the first place.

[Thinkingabout]

202. Back up from where, the military has already testified it was not possible to get backup in time, it

is not like calling 911. Unfortunately Stevens was located at an outpost, he was outside of the protected area of an embassy. Placing the blame on Hillary for cuts in the budget which did not afford luxury of having more protection for the outpost would be a problem. This is a tragedy and what is also bad is to blame one person in government for this event. FOX is really doing a number on people along with the RUSH type.

[napi21]

294. No backups available. Sigoella AFB in Sicily was the closest, but no planes available.

I KNOW that's true because my son worked there at the time. Benghazi is in such a remote place, no help was available from anywhere.

[hrmjustin]

18. This just proves my point that there is a contingent of Sanders supporters that will post

anything, including Rush Limbaugh talking points in order to take Hillary down.

Hope your proud of yourself that you stooped to this level.

[cherokeeprogressive]

23. Take your rhetorical device of comparing an opinion, ANY opinion you don't agree with...

to "right wing talking points" in a weak effort to sweep everything you don't like under the rug... and

Pretend you're doing nothing more than stifling discussion.

An American Ambassador was murdered on Hillary Clinton's watch. She either knew he was in jeopardy or she didn't. If she did, she's a liar. If she didn't, she's an ineffective manager.

[hrmjustin]

24. Did you vote for Obama? It happened on his watch.

[cherokeeprogressive]

33. I voted for Obama twice after supporting Hillary Clinton in the 2008 primaries.

It happened on his watch... yes. But how could he possibly be held accountable when the head of the State Department claims not to have seen the URGENT cables he sent requestion added security?

The head of the State Department is on record as not having read URGENT messages sent by her direct underlings (Ambassadors) requesting extra security in deteriorating conditions.

Does that not indicate a problem of some sort?

[hrmjustin]

37. What this indicates to me is that you hate Hillary and will say anything including RW talking

points to bring her down.

I don't believe you that you are upset by this. I think you are just looking for s reaction and judging by the reavtions no one likes your post.

[840high]

80. Your use of "hate" is so old. Dislike

and don't trust would be better. Hate is a strong rmotion which I would not waste on Hillary,

[hrmjustin]

82. Hate is the appropriate word. Sorry if that bothers you but i am not going to sugar coat it,

[840high]

89. Not for me. "nite

[truebrit71]

287. How about you answer the question rather than insert hyperbole?

...

[SidDithers]

172. Nailed it...nt

Sid

[Ilsa]

187. I'm hoping that group is really tiny. I'm a Bernie

Supporter and I absolutely hate this "Benghazi" thread. I'm surprised it has survived.

Yes, I'll vote for Sec. Clinton if she is the nominee. But I won't trash her.

[joshcryer]

189. I don't agree with those methods.

And I disavow them.

[Hissyspit]

210. "This just proves my point that there is a contingent of Clinton supporters that will post

anything in order to take Sanders down."

You do realize that that is probably just as true, right?

Maybe a difference in numbers, here.

[hrmjustin]

211. I will agree there were a few porly chosen ops posted but it is nowhere near the garbage posted

About Hillary here.

[sheshe2]

214. You are correct justin. nt

[TDale313]

19. RW conspiracy theories don't belong here.

I say this as a Sanders supporter- we're better than this. Don't go there. Plenty of policy reasons to oppose her on.

[still_one]

21. Exactly

[still_one]

20. Why the hell are you quoting republican talking points? How come you are not saying anything about

the GOP cuts to embassy security prior to this?

This is probably one of the more inane arguments that I have heard not to vote for Hillary if she is the nominee.

Then you pull out of your ass the assertion that she knew about the request, and accuse her of lying? I know where the B.S. is coming from all right

[cherokeeprogressive]

26. If she saw the requests she denies seeing, she's a liar. IF she saw them and didn't RUN to the press

to decry budget cuts, he might still be alive.

Either scenario tells me she's not qualified to sit at the top of the mountain.

[still_one]

34. I am not going to engage in your bullshit anymore. Go peddle your wares to someone else

[cherokeeprogressive]

36. Wares.

[still_one]

40. typo, thanks

[quickesst]

160. If, if, if...

If, if, if, if. Too many ifs, but you seem certain that she did, and you come off that way. Exactly the way faux, Limbaugh, coulter, etc would frame it. I ain't buying the sincerity one bit. You're better off shouting 'I HATE HILLARY CLINTON!!!' Way more believable.

[SwampG8r]

25. As a possible relative and as a Bernie Sanders supporter

I ask you to reconsider this op.
I have problems with her involvement in Libya also and I don't believe we will ever get a full account but this serves no one well

[NanceGreggs]

27. I'm an unabashed optimist ...

... who tries to find the silver lining behind every cloud.

So in that vein, I'm happy to know that DemocraticUnderground is now a one-stop-shopping website, and I no longer have to go elsewhere to read the latest right-wing bullshit - because it's now available here, 24/7.

[riversedge]

29. 1+

[hrmjustin]

30. Our own bit of freerepublic right here.

[NanceGreggs]

38. Served hot 'n' ready ...

... with all the fixin's!

[hrmjustin]

41. I used to love this place.

But now it is like a bad habbit that i can't kick.

[NanceGreggs]

44. Now it's strictly entertainment ...

... like a TV show that's so bad, you can't stop watching it.

The site could still be relevant again. Just add the thingy to the DU logo, and it'll all make sense.

[hrmjustin]

46. And if you call out their behavior your the bad one.

So sad.

[NanceGreggs]

54. And if you're a Democrat ...

... on DemocraticUnderground, you're the one who doesn't belong.

[hrmjustin]

59. God forbid you speak well of a Democrat here.

[NanceGreggs]

90. I do my best not to.

Those juries can be brutal.


"Are you now, or have you ever been a member of the Democratic Party?"






I understand you can get blacklisted if you give the wrong answer.

[ismnotwasm]

229. ...

[Live and Learn]

78. That is just plain silly.

There are plenty of us lifelong Democrats on DU. Some of us even welcome others to the party.

[MADem]

263. Ain't THAT the truth! nt

[freshwest]

146. An annex of Frum's 'conservative infotainment bubble.' n/t

[ismnotwasm]

228. I was just thinking--just now--that the "Whitewater" threads were the apex of that type of thinking

Then I opened this. I thought wrong. Clearly.

[workinclasszero]

193. This forum has descended to the lowest point ever when

the most filthy right wing lies, disinformation, hate radio propaganda like the OP's fox news BS not only gets a pass from the owners of "democratic" underground, but...

All of the slavish acolytes of Bernie buy right into it with gusto!

[still_one]

39. Actually, this sold right-wing bullshit. Suddenly the OP is outraged, and found Jesus. It is

pathetic

[cherokeeprogressive]

53. Speak to your thoughts about Ambassador Christopher Stevens' murder.

Or obfuscate.

I know what you're better at.

[JoePhilly]

205. Chris Stevens knew that Hillary had Vince Foster killed ...

... so Stevens had to die.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

171. ...

[MohRokTah]

181. + 1,000,000,000,000 eom

[mcar]

215. Oh that is optimism!

Think I'll try a helping of that to get through the primary season.

[Hekate]

319. Bingo

[riversedge]

28. Democrats do not need hate-radio with posts like yours

[hrmjustin]

31. I see the rave reviews for your op are just pouring in!

[cherokeeprogressive]

48. Yeah I don't post for recs. Forgive me.

[hrmjustin]

51. No you posted a look at me post. I d0am not buying into you right wing fantasy.

[cherokeeprogressive]

56. A look at me post?

What... See Jane Run is more your speed?

[hrmjustin]

58. Rush Limbaugh is more yours.

Note to jury he posted right wing shit.

[cherokeeprogressive]

75. I'm not sure what that pig has to do with my opinion of whose fault the murder of an Ambassador is.

But you go on with your bad self.

If I've posted something worth hiding... I'm sure it'll be hidden at oh... about three a.m. or so.

[hrmjustin]

76. Your repeating his talking points and you know you are.

You outed yourself here.

[cherokeeprogressive]

93. You see, this is the part I don't get... I'm a TRASH man. I drive a trash truck.

It doesn't have a radio. I spend my day listening to a screaming diesel engine that drives a screaming hydraulic pump. If I HAD a radio I'd be listening to MUSIC. I do it eight plus hours a day. Would that I HAD something to listen to other than my truck.

How in the world would you surmise I know his "talking points"?

If you know me at all, you know I say what I think; not what others tell me and I do it without apology or explanation.

I couldn't listen to talk radio if I WANTED TO, and when I come home, the LAST thing I watch is fox. TV is for me entertainment and I don't consider ANY TV espousing a political viewpoint to be entertaining.

I don't get how anyone who knows me could ever think I get "talking points".

[hrmjustin]

96. Oh so you believe right wing fantasy all on your own. Very telling.

[cherokeeprogressive]

99. Yeah I guess it comes to me through a filling in a tooth or something.

Radio waves. A filling in a molar acts as a recorder and sends limpdick's words into my brain while I sleep.

I'm still working on learning how to read...

[hrmjustin]

101. Oh poor you!

[cherokeeprogressive]

104. Eloquent comeback if I've ever seen one.

[hrmjustin]

105. .

[cherokeeprogressive]

109. Oooh. Raising the level of discourse I see... excellent.

Stick-figure smiley. I'm now convinced I should self-delete the OP.

Tell you what. I'm out. If you think I'm so wrong in posting the opinion I did... alert on it. It's all good. I've seen and recommended many posts of yours I agree with. I don't mind disagreeing with people who will mark the same box on the ballot I will, nor do I mind what they might say about my opinion. But... if it's SO wrong; see that it gets removed so it doesn't bother too many beautiful minds.

[hrmjustin]

113. Good luck tomorrow defending this bullshit when the rest of du sees it.

Night.

[cherokeeprogressive]

117. Sweet dreams.

[bettyellen]

270. You're actually claiming to have no access to news media? That's about as honest as this OP-

I'll give you that much.

[LuvLoogie]

47. And on that note...

[KMOD]

60. wow!

no words.

[cherokeeprogressive]

62. No words? I know why.

[KMOD]

64. really? tell me?

[cherokeeprogressive]

67. Because there are no words that will keep shit from rolling uphill.

[KMOD]

72. You should log off and chill out.

You are way out of line on this.

[applegrove]

65. And how many employees does the state department have overseas.

Last edited Sat Aug 29, 2015, 03:09 AM - Edit history (1)

The fact that there are so few casualties is a miracle. Way to parrot GOP fake scandals.

[cherokeeprogressive]

69. We're talking Ambassadors. How many of them have been murdered in the last hundred years?

How many American Ambassadors have been murdered in the HISTORY of this country?

[hrmjustin]

71. 7.

[brush]

153. There were 13 embassy attacks and 60 deaths under Bush

You need to get off the right wing crappola.

During Bush's administration there were many more attacks against our diplomatic outposts than under Obama/Clinton. Why don't you know this? (Doesn't fit you narrative, maybe?)

Why the hell are you hyperventilating about with this now? Like this "Hillary is the blame for Steven's death" hasn't been yelled from the rooftops by repugs years ago during the Benghazi hearings.

We don't need right wing talking points here.

[KMOD]

70. Not one person has backed you on this.

Not one.

[hrmjustin]

74. The desperation is so sad.

[KMOD]

79. it sure is.

[KMOD]

81. I stand corrected.

Someone actually did back you by rec'ing this. SMH

[hrmjustin]

84. Expect some more tomorrow but I expect most Sanders supporters will be appalled at this garbage post

[KMOD]

86. I don't support Sanders, but most of his supporters are class acts.

and this is garbage. I don't expect very many to back this.

[sheshe2]

219. Did Skinner sell this place while I was sleeping?

I don't recognize this site. DU? Sadly, not anymore.

[KMOD]

116. Yes. And I'm happy to see that.

[Cha]

140. Oh yeah, unfortunately there's a couple more who are fine with goPropaganda on Benghaziiiii!

Ignorantly trying to blame President Obama and Hillary Clinton for this terrible tragedy.

It's the Republicons who Cut Funding for Embassy Security

Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html

House GOP, Paul Ryan Cut $400M from Embassy Safety Funding

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/20/1147325/-House-GOP-Paul-Ryan-Cut-400M-from-Embassy-Safety-Funding#

But, they're carrying water for the gop right here on du.. It says everything about them and nothing about their target.

[MFM008]

85. Libya.............

I have actually lived in Tripoli, Libya. My dad was stationed at Wheelus AFB from 60-64. My brother holds duel citizenship.
And I don't care, I don't care if it was Hillary, or Bernie or Donald Trump. I don't care about Libya or e mails or Bill Clinton. They will not have any influence on my decision on who to vote for.

that is all.

[KMOD]

87. Sanity. Most DUers have it.

Thank you!

[Lil Missy]

91. Rushbo? Is that you? n/t

[MelungeonWoman]

166. 10 years and 20 thousands posts later?

This is reminiscent of Zell Millers breakdown.

[SunSeeker]

92. You should be embarrassed. You're spouting lies the Republicans' admitted weren't true.

There was a two-year investigation into the Benghazi tragedy by the Republican-led House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. It proved right-wing conspiracy theorists to be flat wrong and their attacks to be baseless.The committee’s report was released on November 21, 2014, by Chairman Mike Rogers (R-MI), and Ranking Member Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-MD). The report debunks past and ongoing right-wing attacks on Hillary Clinton and further proves that the right wing is playing politics on the backs of dead Americans in an attempt to score political points. The report adds to the extensive reporting already completed by the ten congressional committees involved in investigating Benghazi.

There was neither a stand down order nor a denial of available air support, and no American was "left behind," the panel concluded. The panel found that there was "no evidence of an intelligence failure" prior to the attack — the CIA did not have tactical warning that it was imminent.

As Jonathan Capehart said in the Washinton Post, "After two years of investigation, it found no evidence to buttress any of the conspiracy theories surrounding the Sept. 11, 2012, attack that killed Chris Stevens, the U.S. ambassador to Libya, and three other Americans. In short, all of the things that were alleged to have happened didn’t happen.”

And yet you took to DU posting a fact-free all-caps laced tirade of these debunked conspiracy theories to trash our Democratic frontrunner.

DU has really reached a new low.

[TwilightGardener]

102. Leaving Clinton aside, there was obviously a failure in Benghazi--Stevens should have been in

a real embassy and not a dangerous outpost, for one thing, on Sept. 11. With better security. Or just evacuated out altogether (which we do more often now, in reaction to Benghazi--can't afford another of those). But he remained and was up to something CIA-related, even though other countries were pulling their diplomatic personnel due to deteriorating conditions. A lot of it is hindsight, terror attacks happen in bad parts of the world, but the ball was very definitely dropped by several agencies--State, DoD, and CIA. Edit to add: Republicans can only dig so far, because it will blow back on them and their beloved intelligence and military communities.

[SunSeeker]

119. The GOP cut embassy security. The agencies did the best they could with what they had.

There is no evidence to support blaming the agencies. It only lets the GOP --and terrorists themselves--off the hook.

[cherokeeprogressive]

125. Budget cuts DON'T affect communication.

[SunSeeker]

132. Oh good God. You're still claiming Hillary ignored his calls for help?

Unbelievable.

[TwilightGardener]

129. No, actually the agencies involved are responsible for their personnel, for security and evacuation.

Regardless of the budget picture from year to year by Congress. DoD certainly has the funding and is responsible for embassy security/evacuation to varying degrees along with State--we now are much better at moving (very expensive) assets in place when trouble brews, it's really not a money issue when shit goes bad. Not saying it played no role at all, but Stevens' situation was more complicated.

[SunSeeker]

136. The GOP cut the State Department's budget for embassy security.

More money would have meant better security. The State Department performed its responsibilities the best it could with the money they had. Even the GOP report concluded that.

And yet you beg to differ.

Like I said, DU has hit a new low.

[FarPoint]

309. That is absolutely correct....

Additionally, they continue to cut the funding.

[OLDMADAM]

207. TwilightGardener, Hits a game-winning homer..

After reading hundreds of posts, balancing opinions on all sides, I've arrived at a point of view that I support..

Your post, IMHO, outlines the clearest evidence to date that this debacle was a tragic failure of the system of accountability and responsibility, at the highest levels of several agencies of our Government.. There is risk-less mentality in every major enterprise, where nobody, least of all the highest levels, wants to accept the Hot Potato, and be the last one called into question for making any serious decisions .. CYA, is paramount to protecting ones own job, and legacy..

This entire tragedy was avoidable if only if we lived in Wonderland, and nobody wanted to kill us.. Black-ops were and are necessary in this real world, filled with tyrants, and this is what happens trying to protect them..

Ironically, the only statement that honestly sums up this situation, in retrospect, came from Hillary in her What difference does it make, disgraceful defense, after the moronic Video Defense roll-out failed miserably, because it will only make a difference to the families and friends of the loved ones of the fallen.. In the end, nothing will change..

[sufrommich]

213. OMG,the fake "what difference does it make"

quote taken out of context? Really? I predict Vince Foster "just asking questions" will make it's appearance here soon.

Here's the quote,in context,sans the Fox News "fauxrage":


With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night who decided that they'd they go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make? It is our job to figure out what happened and do everything we can to prevent it from ever happening again, Senator. Now, honestly, I will do my best to answer your questions about this, but the fact is that people were trying in real time to get to the best information. The IC has a process, I understand, going with the other committees to explain how these talking points came out. But you know, to be clear, it is, from my perspective, less important today looking backwards as to why these militants decided they did it than to find them and bring them to justice, and then maybe we'll figure out what was going on in the meantime.

[BainsBane]

94. The "FIRST FEMALE President"

Now we get to what this is really about. You didn't suddenly start to develop concern for Chris Stevens years after the fact. You see your precious white male privilege slipping away and it makes you furious.

No one gives a shit about your right-wing Benghazi bullshit, and I seriously doubt you do either. You obviously don't give a shit about Chris Stevens or you would respect his families wishes rather than use him in a desperate political ploy. This is what really bothers you, as evidenced by the caps:

She wants to be President? Not really. She wants to be the FIRST FEMALE President.

It doesn't matter how desperate, angry, and outraged you get. Democrats don't share your "concern" about Benghazi and they don't share your disdain about the prospect of "the FIRST FEMALE president." It's good to have it out in the open though so we can dispense with any pretense that the Democratic Party suddenly now isn't left enough when all the candidates are running to the left of any in the past several decades. There is nothing democratic, Democratic, liberal, progressive, or leftist about your outrage. The fact is time is moving on, and no matter how angry you get you cannot turn the clock back.


Clearly Hillary Clinton threatens you a great deal for you to be so irrationally angry over her potential election, and it obviously has nothing to do with issues.

I am really looking forward to November 8, 2016.

[cherokeeprogressive]

103. Had you read the thread in its totality, you'd know I posted about Ambassador Stevens' death

the DAY it happened, and had my post hidden for blaming it on those who killed him.

Nice try though, albeit a waste of words on your part.

P.S. I'll find it and post a link to it if you wish.

[BainsBane]

107. I know this will come as a shock to you

but there are other people who read this site. Everything in the world isn't for your benefit alone, just like people in this country are going to vote for whomever they like, and it may just result in the "first FEMALE PRESIDENT."

I'll take your word for the fact that this isn't your first right-wing diatribe on Benghazi.

[cherokeeprogressive]

114. If it bothers your beautiful mind so much, alert and see it gets removed.

I don't mind.

I'll likely put my mark in the same box you will on election day... call me what you will I don't mind; whatever gets you through the night is alright in my book.

[BainsBane]

126. I'm not the one freaking out

Americans will make their own democratic choices, which is exactly how it should be.

[cherokeeprogressive]

127. Why bother posting here then?

[BainsBane]

133. You think the only reason to post

is an inability to respect one's fellow citizens' democratic choices?

Firstly, my political consciousness is not limited to contests among the political elite. I care about issues far more enduring and important--related to social justice--the sorts of things the privileged turn their nose up, but that mean a hell of a lot more in people's lives than cabinet appointments. And despite the noise and nonsense, I do manage to learn from the perspectives from a few people on this site.

Then there is stuff like this, which is sort of like a 10 car pile up on the highway. I know I shouldn't rubberneck, but somehow I just can't help myself.

[Live and Learn]

131. The best PERSON for the job is what this election is about.

I don't care what sexuality the person is. I care what issues they support.

I also need to trust them. For those reasons, Bernie gets my vote.

Accusing wveryyone on DU that doesn't support Hillary of somehow being misogynistic is sickening. Especially in light of the fact that many of us are women that have always supported women's rights (as does Bernie). Nor are we racists but that you already knew.

I am not posting in support of this OP because I don't believe Hillary purposely ignored anything. But, I'll be damned if I will let you use this post as a reason to demonize a good man and his DU supporters just because of it.

Welcome back, btw.

[BainsBane]

135. Did you read the OP?

He's the one who brought up "the FIRST FEMALE president." Not me.

But, I'll be damned if I will let you use this post as a reason to demonize a good man and his DU supporters just because of it.
Where did I go to be welcomed back from?

What are you even talking about?

Where did I go to be welcome backed from?

[Live and Learn]

138. You are the one that implied anyone here didn't want to vote for a woman.

Check the thread and you can see that I am replying to your post not the OP's.

How the heck would I know where you went? I just noticed you weren't here. Is a welcome back, somehow threatening to you?

[BainsBane]

139. I responded to the OP

I didn't say or imply that not voting for Hillary was itself misogynistic. I responded specifically to what the OP said.

I said nothing about Sanders or his supporters. You are accusing me of a load of things I did not do, and frankly it's strange, particularly the bit about Sanders.

[Live and Learn]

143. And I responded to your post.

Strange? I'll have to defer to you on that one.

[BainsBane]

152. Even in this thread

which is a complete and false character assassination of a Democrat, Hillary Clinton, you whine about some imaginary attack on BS.

But, I'll be damned if I will let you use this post as a reason to demonize a good man and his DU supporters just because of it.

You're not upset about the false claims about Clinton, or that the OP follows that rant by proclaiming disdainfully that she is seeking to be "the FIRST FEMALE president." No, your response is to tell me you will not let me say something I didn't say but you seem to imagine I am guilty of some sort of thought crime. Not only did i not mention Sanders, but that your response is, apparently, to demand I not even think anything unfavorable of him. People can trash, smear, insult, demean Clinton and her supporters day after day, and even in one of those threads you insist on conformity to Sanders. Everything is about Sanders. He comes before the rest of the human race, so that the mere idea that someone might harbor a thought that is even slightly critical of him results in a lecture from you.

That kind of attitude that some people are superior to others that justifies such egregious disparities in treatment is anti-egalitarian. In becomes very difficult for me to believe such hierarchical notions of human worth would not likewise be present in policy and government.

[sunnystarr]

201. BainsBane is right. nt

[eridani]

95. Not the only murder of a US diplomat, and no way the hell Clinton's fault

I'm far more worried about the bankster coddling thing myself.

[GP6971]

225. Yup

A definite new low

[JI7]

111. You Criticized DU Members who went after REpublicans that voted against Hurricane Sandy Aid

and other similar things when it was their own districts and states that were hit and they were asking for aid.

so this type of post from you doesn't make any sense.

budget cuts aren't a secret . do you really think any politician who complains about budget cuts is going to get this media which is all about donald trump right now is going to report on those type of issues ?

[cherokeeprogressive]

124. I will always post against Americans who want to deny OTHER Americans aid because of their beliefs.

NOR would I accept the notion that your choice of who represents you either entitle or disqualify you from receiving tax dollars in aid. I'm not stupid enough to believe the "bad guys" are the ONLY ones who live in areas stricken by natural disasters. Your tax dollars aren't worth more than mine, nor are mine more important than yours. The tax dollars contributed by Californians aren't worth more than those contributed by Floridians.

I don't engage in geographic bigotry as do a large number of people on this site. I will ALWAYS post in disagreement with someone who says people in a certain state aren't or shouldn't be entitled to the same tax dollars we ALL contribute due to the people they choose to represent them. Are you fucking KIDDING?

[BainsBane]

130. Not geographic bigotry

but the "first FEMALE PRESIDENT," that's unacceptable.

You've exposed yourself tonight. It doesn't surprise me, but a few of your fellow Sanders supporters seem to feel compelled to distance themselves from you.

[JI7]

148. nobody said to deny them aid. it was about calling them out

On how they denied aid to others. You had a problem with just calling them out.

[BainsBane]

115. Human rights

[BainsBane]

120. 50th Anniversary of the Voting Rights Act

and 95 years since the 19th Amendment.

[BainsBane]

121. Equality

[Cha]

141. Thank you, BB.

[msongs]

137. we don't have room for names of all the people killed by obama policies. do you support him? nt

[Recursion]

142. Ambassadors do not report directly to the Secretary of State

They report to a regional (generally) or functional (occasionally) Assistant Secretary, who reports to an Undersecretary, who reports to a Deputy Secretary, who reports to the Secretary.

[TopHatCat]

144. Please Do Not Feed the Trolls

Please.

[left-of-center2012]

147. Mmmm - no

This is over the top and just plain wrong.

[PowerToThePeople]

154. I feel for you

I do not know much on this subject, but it appears to be heading the way of 9/11. A forbidden topic. This probably even moreso, because the right wing was up in arms.

Party politics suck.

[rjsquirrel]

155. I'm not a Hillary supporter but

this post is idiotic.

Lol whut?

Yes we know Chris Stevens died. Ok, technically he was Clinton's employee. He was also a seasoned diplomat who knew the risks. But yeah, she pulled the trigger.

If you hate Hillary this much there are other choices. But this post is just more Benghaaaaaaaaazi! Bullshit.

Someone was murdered in Vermont last week, thus I could never vote for Sanders!

[Vinca]

156. If Stevens was so security conscious, why did he leave the embassy for an unguarded outpost?

I've always wondered about that. And who cut the budget for security? It wasn't Hillary. I'm a Bernie supporter, but I realize bad things happen that cannot be prevented by the head of the department and it happens under both Democratic and Republican administrations.

[Demit]

167. The thing was, he didn't believe in the idea of embassy-as-fortress. He was a classic diplomat.

He was always going out among the people. There was a really nice, detailed profile of him in the NYT Magazine soon after he died.

It was never really explained what his purpose was in traveling to that outpost, where the CIA had a base. I've seen speculation that he was overseeing a shipment of guns to rebel forces.

So yeah, I'd say he was doing things the way he liked to do them. He knew the risks. This OP is melodramatic shit-stirring.

[MBS]

183. + 1000 n/t

[Metric System]

157. Shame on you for politicizing their deaths. Support whoever you want in the primary, but leave this

crap to the Right.

[BooScout]

158. Your post tells me all I need to know about you...

BENGHAZI!!! and FIRST FEMALE President.

You know what? Hillary doesn't want your support or need your support.

These boys do though:

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[Cha]

162. Exactly Boo.. The Stevens Family asked the rw to stop politiciizing the death of their son.. and of

course they didn't.

So who takes it up to add to their pain.. if they were ever unfortunate enough to run across it? A BS supporter in Bernie's name.

[sufrommich]

163. Yep. nt

[sufrommich]

161. And here comes Benghazi! It was only a matter of time

before the Hillary hate went full on Freeper here. Not surprised at all.

[Squinch]

164. Cherokeeprogressive: another member of the Democratic Underground right wing spin machine.

And PS, I am an undecided primary voter, so my position is not based on the Hillary/Bernie war.

It is based on the fact that this bullshit does not belong on a Democratic site.

Grow up. Your candidate is ashamed of your tactics.

[SonderWoman]

165. Turn off FOX News.

[LonePirate]

168. With posts like this, we don't need Repubs to tear our paty apart. We'll do it ourselves.

[SidDithers]

169. ...

Sid

[Starry Messenger]

173. OP totally not surprising to any close reader over the years

That's all I'll say about that.

[JI7]

304. yup

[Gothmog]

174. Benghazi panel has lasted longer than Church Committee

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/251566-benghazi-panel-now-run-longer-than-church-committee

[MBS]

175. This criticism is WAY off-base.

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For better or worse, the State Department has ALWAYS had a mix of ambassadors: some are career diplomats, some are political appointees.
This has been true of every administration I know about or have read about.
I'm sure that career diplomats/foreign service officers would have choice words to say about having to put up with political appointees, who, to be as kind as I can, are variable in quality and expertise.(Sometimes political appointees can truly be good; but there are a lot of embarrassing ones, too).
But that's just the way it's always been, no matter what the administration. It's not new.And it's in fact a perennial debate, which usually surfaces every time an embarrassingly unqualified political appointee comes up for senate confirmation, or embarrasses themselves while on duty.

As far as I can tell, ambassadors to "trouble spot" countries are almost always career diplomats. Political appointees are usually assigned to "easier" or more stable countries.

Chris Stevens was a career diplomat (and by all accounts a wonderful and courageous one, and his death is a real loss).
Caroline Kennedy is a political appointee; to say the least, she was not picked because of her deep knowledge of the Japanese language.

And, BTW, "Benghazi" is a completely manufactured non-scandal.
Stevens' death was a real tragedy, and, given the instability of especially that part of the world, the State Department probably does need to work on more effective ways of improving security -- and this is the hard part --without walling off US staff from the countries they're supposed to be dealing with. In hostile or unstable countries, this balancing act will always be a challenge, and one for which there is never a single or ultimate solution.

But as far as "Benghazi" is concerned, there is no there there.

[Smarmie Doofus]

177. Lots of ad hominems, but no real dispute of the facts.

It's going to be a problem if she's nominated.

K and R

Off topic, but: Caroline Kennedy can barely speak English, much less Japanese. As anyone who was around here when the NYS DEM Party was trying to transplant her into a US Senate vacancy (Guess who's seat.) a few years ago can attest.

Mother o' god what a disaster.

[Hissyspit]

199. What facts?

Feel free... The OP didn't.

[MohRokTah]

178. Wow, you ust jposted a total right wing meme

Have fun voting for the Republican.

[MohRokTah]

179. And it looks like Bernie Supporters got nothing but right wing memes now

A jury voted 3-4 to leave this POS BENGHAAAAAAAZZZIIIIIII! post.

[workinclasszero]

198. I can't believe a fuckin jury on "democratic" underground

voted to let this teabag right wind screed stand!

All of the Bernie followers on that jury should be ashamed of yourself for doing the work of the koch bros and Limbaugh!

SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!

[Bobbie Jo]

248. Just dropping this here...

You can alert again and it will go straight to Admin.

This crap is so far over the top, Admin needs to deal with this garbage.

Enough is enough...

[SidDithers]

275. It's not Democratic Underground anymore...nt

Sid

[Kali]

284. I am a Bernie supporter and I was on that jury and I voted to hide this bullshit.

[jfern]

305. Don't paint all Bernie supporters with such a broad brush

This Bernie supporter disagrees with the OP.

[George II]

182. This is blatant RW bluster and BS. Why don't you read about all of the investigations...

...by Congressional committees chaired by REPUBLICANS that have cleared her of any wrongdoing.

I'm sorry I spent even a few seconds reading and responding to this garbage.

[Depaysement]

184. Increased security

That draws attention too. A lot of attention. It's not a panacea.

It amazes me how Hillary is blamed for an Ambassador's death in a foreign war zone, yet when 3,000 people were killed on American soil in NYC and DC, Bush's approval rating soared and nary a word of criticism was heard.

It is likely that someone in the 17th of February brigade or the oil company relayed the message that Stevens would be in town for his oil company meeting.

How much security would have been sufficient to protect Stevens? A squad? He already had that. A platoon? A battalion?

Visiting a war zone is a risk and Benghazi was a war zone. Protecting people in a war zone is difficult and problematic. I assume State thought that the remaining security detail and others were enough. They were wrong in hindsight.

A better question is why did we help to initiate the Libyan war in the first place? Why were there cheerleaders for it posting soviet-like propaganda on DU and elsewhere?

[Smarmie Doofus]

188. You're totally wrong about point #1 and ....

.... totally right about point #2.

>>>t amazes me how Hillary is blamed for an Ambassador's death in a foreign war zone, yet when 3,000 people were killed on American soil in NYC and DC, Bush's approval rating soared and nary a word of criticism was heard.
>>>>

Come on. It was argued publicly here and everywhere else post 9-11. For YEARS. . Condoleeza Rice , NSA at that point, failed to act on the "Al Qaeda determine to attack in US" memo . It makes up a whole section of Michael Moore's documentary re. Bush's first term.

Ya' got a not-starter there.

OTOH:

>>>A better question is why did we help to initiate the Libyan war in the first place? Why were there cheerleaders for it posting soviet-like propaganda on DU and elsewhere? >>>>

Now yer' talkin'.

But no one else is. Tragically.

[Depaysement]

190. Not immediately after the event

It took quite a while and only started to harm Bush after the Iraq War went awry.

Benghazi was front and center from the get go. Why is that?

[Dr Hobbitstein]

186. What. The. Actual. Fuck???

You've gone full Benghazi? Seriously? Are you sure your name isn't really cherokeeteaparty?

[DonViejo]

191. Six congressional investigations have determined Sec'y Clinton did nothing wrong....

but, hey, here at DU, we don't care.

I remember the first 48 hours after the incident; the right wing was producing articles alleging Ambassador Stevens was:

a. Gay.

b. The Muslims were upset about his being gay and were retaliating against him for messing with Arab boys.

c. Innocent people were killed because the Ambassador was gay and because he was messing with Arab boys.

For informational purposes about the what right wing and the Republicans were saying, I posted those articles here on DU. A whole lot of people filed alerts about the posts and chastised me for "smearing" the Ambassador.

Of course, within 48 to 72 hours after the incident, the wingers changed their story, "it's Hillary's fault! It's Hillary's fault," lovingly and deceptively overlooking the fact the GOP Congress had reduced the funding for security at U.S. embassies. I'm waiting for the post from a DU'er stating the Ambassador got what he deserved because "he was gay and he was messing with the Arab boys." This OP has proven it's very possible that will be the next attack line; if someone proven to not be responsible for Benghazi (six times no less) is held responsible for it, then it can only be a matter of time before the homophobia breaks out too.

Sad, really sad to see what this 2016 Primary has done to DU

[George II]

192. Thanks for providing a little dose of reality here. For a while I thought I'd stumbled...

....into Free Republic or the "Excellence in Broadcasting" studio.

If six investigations led by republicans have found no culpability, one has to wonder why an OP like this shows up on a presumably progressive DEMOCRATIC website.

[Thinkingabout]

222. The RWers never fessed up and said their budget cutting did not leave enough money to provide the

needed security to the out post. Actually Ambassador Stevens was supposed to be setting up security on this visit, had not happened yet.

[DonViejo]

224. You expected the wing nuts to fess up?

[Thinkingabout]

226. no

[sheshe2]

233. I do believe

That this place is rapidly deteriorating to the point of no return. RW talking points abound here now.

Thanks for a dose of reality here Don.

edit spelling

[George II]

238. And they're posted with impunity.

[cheapdate]

200. We had neither an embassy nor an ambassador in Libya.

We had a consulate and a CIA station in Benghazi.

Less than one year before Christopher Stevens was murdered, Libya had fought an all-out civil war. That war ended with the total destruction of Gaddafi's army by U.S. airpower on the highway outside of Benghazi. Benghazi was an insecure and risky place for Americans. Everyone was aware of the risks and dangers.

The American government decided that it was important to immediately establish an official diplomatic presence in the city. A property was found and arrangements were quickly made to open a consulate. The consulate was less secure than established diplomatic offices in other places, but it was opened quickly for specific purposes -- notwithstanding the known risks.

The American government and the State Department chooses to operate in dangerous places. We could choose not to and then no State Department employees would ever be put at risk.

[JoePhilly]

204. Sounds like freeper nonsense.

Four or so years late freeper nonsense, at that.

[tularetom]

206. We were so anxious to get rid of Gaddafi we didn't bother to plan for a replacement government

The US was dragged into this conflict by some of our NATO partners in the EU who wanted to get their hands on Libya's oil, and they found allies in American officials like SoD Leon Panetta and SoS Hillary ("We came, we saw, he died&quot Clinton.

The west was left completely helpless in the wake of Gaddafi's death and the entire country became a dangerous place for westerners to be. And a year later, predictably, there were tragic consequences.

But in retrospect, none of this would have happened if Hillary Clinton hadn't been so eager to show the world how tough she was.

[Hissyspit]

209. Thanks for all the supporting evidence in your OP. I appreciate it.

Oh, wait...

[OilemFirchen]

217. CALL CONGRESS!

RIGHT FUCKING NOW!

[freshwest]

246. He'll testify to the Benghazi committee with his facts next week. Waiting for updates. n/t

[mcar]

218. Hit and run

OP has not made one reply to this debunked RW tripe.

[tammywammy]

220. The recs for this RW bullshit are interesting. n/t

[ismnotwasm]

230. Aren't they though?

[phleshdef]

221. Sorry, as a Bernie supporter, I'm rejecting the way over the top Republican-esque BS in this OP.

Bernie would spit on your post. But since he doesn't post here, I'll do it for him.

[zappaman]

223. Kick!

So everyone can see you for who you really are.

[FarPoint]

231. This post reminds me of Fox Noise News...

Totally shameful for DU .....Seeing such rhetoric makes DU so insignificant theses days. We have and still can do much, much better.

[Faux pas]

236. Kickin'

[dem in texas]

237. Go Back to Watching Fox News

The killing of Ambassador Stevens was a sad event, a real tragedy. But, it has been thoroughly investigated and it is over, although Fox and your right-wing buddies are trying to keep it alive. And not all Ambassadors are trained. Many are major political contributors, this is nothing new, it has always gone on. There was once a Broadway musical about a politically appointed ambassador, don't remember the name of the show, but Ethel Mermann was the star.

[Bobbie Jo]

242. Watch your step, folks

Masks are slipping left and right.

[hrmjustin]

243. Indeed. Very informative.

[BainsBane]

244. The sad part is

They can take them right off and carry on without consequence.

[GitRDun]

245. Embassies get attacked all the time, people are killed routinely

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2014/may/12/john-garamendi/prior-benghazi-were-there-13-attacks-embassies-and/

What makes Benghazi different is the ambassador was killed. In most other attacks it was lower level people, often times locals working for the US.

However, I don't think that makes their lives less valuable than the ambassador's life.

I don't think HRC can be disqualified because she just happened to be the SoS when an ambassador was among the dead.

There are plenty of reasons to choose a candidate other than Hillary Clinton. I just don't think this is a good reason to disqualify her.

[cheapdate]

277. On a strictly technical note, we had neither an embassy nor an ambassador in Libya.

We had a consulate and a CIA station in Benghazi.

[Rstrstx]

285. I think there was an embassy in Tripoli

We were one of the very, very few countries to have one in Libya at the time, having reopened in 2011. The security risk was so high Iran didn't have one there. Anyone who went to work there was aware of the extremely high risk involved.

The right of course (and now apparently even some "Democrats&quot would have you believe Obama went over there and personally shot the place up himself. Oh wait, sorry how stupid of me, Obama's not running any more, it was HILLARY that went over and attacked the consulate. Yeah that's it, it's all her fault.

Since we all know she was getting super-classified emails on her highly insecure private server in the house closet (or was it bathroom?) the ambassador's messages for a few bodyguards should have popped right up in a little text box on her phone. All she had to do was pick up her unsecured phone and send in the Marines. Or call up the local nightclub and have them send over a few bouncers. Whatever, doesn't matter, it's all Oba...sorry, Hillary's fault.

[cheapdate]

286. Looks like I was mistaken.

There was an embassy in Tripoli.

It was very dangerous there. Libya had fought an all out civil war less than a year earlier -- a war that ended when U.S. air power destroyed Gadaffi's army on the highway outside of Benghazi.

[BKH70041]

250. This is where this site needs a time machine.

Take the way the members here view what happened now and document them.

Then, turn back time and have the exact same events unfold in the exact same way -- no differences in what happened or how each office holder reacted -- but make those office holders Republicans.

Then get the two reactions and compare them.

Guarantee you the reactions of the members here will be 180 degrees opposite based upon the political party of the players in government.

Good point.

[PowerToThePeople]

257. Many of us have been doing that since Obama took office

and you only now see strange changes in views? Is Gitmo still open?

[BKH70041]

259. I don't see "changes in views"

I see excuses and rationalizing. I see a lot of circling the wagons. I see a lot of turning a blind eye to reality.

I'm not the only one who sees it.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

251. I'm a Bernie supporter and I think this post is reprehensible.

Benghazi has been beaten to death by the GOPers and it's been shown repeatedly that there's no there there. Since there are plenty of reasons to criticize Hillary based on her real policy positions, why on earth bring up this crap? I'm surprised this post wasn't hidden.

[HassleCat]

252. So wrong on so many levels

Your post reads like something pulled directly from a right wing web site. It is a senseless, falsified attack on a Democrat. Please remove it. Thank you.

[Metric System]

258. Why is this thread still open?!?

[LiberalLovinLug]

262. Disgusting RW bullshit

Even after an exhaustive unnecessary inquiry with a majority of Republicans finding that the State Department could not have done anything to prevent the attacks you are still screeching about BENGHAZI!! And implying that Hillary Clinton could have....what?.....put on a cape like Superwoman and flew out to Libya and fought of the angry mob? Even the general in charge of the closet military post testified that he could never have reached that compound in time. Only the most extreme elements in the bagger wing of the GOP and Fox News still cling to this fake "scandal".....oh, and yourself. Nice company.

I as a Bernie supporter think this kind of "catapulting the propaganda" BS harms the whole party. Just like trying to foment the "Bernie Sanders doesn't care about black people" stupidity from a few in the Hillary camp.

All you do is encourage the same childish behavior from some of the few whackos or trolls to link to your OP as an expample of the behaviour of ALL Bernie supporters. And it becomes a snowball. And snowballs run downhill.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

264. WoW

eom

[Arkana]

265. Wow, you are either a really deep-cover mole

or you have completely lost your fucking mind.

[COLGATE4]

271. I'll take (c) [all of the above] for the win, Alex. nt

[TSIAS]

269. There's been some oddness her lately

A Sanders (presumably) supporter is posting right-wing spin to discredit Clinton. I also saw a Clinton supporter posting from the World Socialist news to criticize Sanders. What is this world coming to?

[Spazito]

272. Disgusting OP...

Ugly, ugly, ugly rw shit.

[bettyellen]

273. Shameless RW bullshit. You have no credibility at DU after this. None.

[Number23]

306. This is the same guy that busted a gut laughing at the black female attendee at Netroots Nation

who said that Sanders supporters there were so unhinged that she didn't "feel safe" around them. This was right around the time the entire Internet first started chewing these people out for their behavior. This poster thought it was just knee slapping when I told him this.

So for alot of us, this person's "credibility" has been a lost cause for a long time.

[NYC Liberal]

274. Back in DU's better days, a post like this would have been removed by the mods

for the right-wing BS it is -- and it probably would have been damn near tombstone-worthy.

[Luminous Animal]

282. One reason why I miss the moderating system. And I say this as a Bernie supporter.

The premise of the OP is disgusting.

[Puzzledtraveller]

280. Nice to see a contrary perspective to the way we are told

it is acceptable to think. We would have been up in arms if it had been under the watch of republican admin.

[Cha]

283. The OP is telling us the RW way to think.. I don't actually think they're "nice" at all and neither

does most of this thread.

It's the Republicons who cut the damn Embassy Security Funding... What's really "nice" is getting the whole picture.

Jason Chaffetz Admits House GOP Cut Funding For Embassy Security: 'You Have To Prioritize Things'

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/10/jason-chaffetz-embassy_n_1954912.html

House GOP, Paul Ryan Cut $400M from Embassy Safety Funding

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/10/20/1147325/-House-GOP-Paul-Ryan-Cut-400M-from-Embassy-Safety-Funding#

[Marrah_G]

289. Really, Bengahzi, here on DU?

What has happened to this place?

[awoke_in_2003]

291. And how could she have funded more security?

The GOP controlled House was not allowing any more funding. There are several items that make me support Bernie over Hillary, but a bullshit right wing talking point isn't one of them.

[yardwork]

292. This is unmitigated bullshit. /nt

[oldandhappy]

293. These were HIS employees who were murdered

Jan. 22, '02 U.S. Consulate at Kolkata, 5 killed
June 14, '02 U.S Consulate at Karachi, 12 killed
Feb. 28, '03 U.S. Embassy at Islamabad, 2 killed
June 30, '04 U.S. Embassy at Tashkent, 2 killed
Dec. 6, '04 U.S. Compound at Saudia Arabia, 9 killed
March 2, '06 U.S. Consulate at Karachi, 2 killed
Sept. 12, '06 U.S. Embassy at Syria, 4 killed
March 18, '08 U.S. Embassy at Yemen, 2 killed
July 9, '08 U.S. Consulate at Istanbul, 6 killed
Sept. 17, '08 U.S. Embassy at Yemern, 16 killed

[yikes1]

297. american ambassador

Really, what are you carrying fox's water. I do not care for Hillary, but you are really rolling in the mud on this one!!

[Cali_Democrat]

298. You really failed with this one.

I always knew what you were, but now you've really exposed yourself to all of DU.

Thanks.

[revmclaren]

299. Wow....just wow!!!

Screen shot op and rec list for future reference.

Beyond appalling. Showed this to my coworkers, 2 of whom are sanders supporters and got jaw-dropping stares.

Again, just wow!!!

[Cha]

300. Yeah, the BS supporter of this OP .. owns this. goPropaganda being pushed on DU in bernie's name.

[Onlooker]

301. Can someone please move this to Freerepublic.com. They would agree with the OP 100%.

[still_one]

303. it speaks volumes how low some of DU go by taking Republican misrepresentaions

and lies, and spewing them as gospel

This thread is pure flame bair, and with posts like this, I would suspect they have effectively alienated a fair number of people on DU.

This thread will go down as one of the low points in DU history

[RandySF]

302. This message brought to you by the RNC

[ellisonz]

308. BENNNNGGGHHHAAZZZIIII!!!!!

Sorry, I just had to do that for shits and giggles.

[Z_California]

310. This Sanders supporter does NOT approve

Of right wing bullshit propaganda on DU. I haven't gone through the comments but I can't believe this thread is still here.

[dsc]

312. This is sad and disgusting

I am glad that some Sanders supporters do have some standards, but apparently 21 of them (you and the 20 who recommended this vile piece of filth) have none. I wonder, can you even name, let alone show a post you wrote about, any of the several embassy employees who were killed during the Bush years. Can you name even one? One single, solitary name.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

316. I will be the bigger poster...

I will be the bigger poster and just say some times really bad things happen despite our best efforts.

[SouthernProgressive]

323. Knock knock...Who's there?

Someone carrying Gowdys water!!!!!!

[ieoeja]

326. Ambassador visiting a CIA office with three CIA hired guards who sent for rescue from CIA mercs ...

... after being sent into a war zone. We normally pull ambassadors *out* of war zones. We certainly don't open up new embassies right in the middle of one. Except, allegedly, this one time.


And the head of the CIA ended his testimony to the first GOP committee, "that is as close to the truth as I can come."

To that I would say, "this is as close to a public admission that this was a CIA operation, not State, that he can come."


I am one of those DUers who will not vote for Hillary even if she wins the nomination. But this story does not pass the smell test. There is no freaking way Stevens was not acting as a CIA operative in this instance. And CIA operatives get killed in the field. It is part of the job.