Hillary Will Meet With #BlackLivesMatter Activists Today.

[SonderWoman]

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122524/blacklivesmatter-activists-disrupt-hillary-clinton-event

[SonderWoman]

1. She's meeting with them privately as BLM requested no press.

[Qutzupalotl]

13. Well, they ARE very publicity-shy.

[SonderWoman]

14. Ugh.

[virtualobserver]

36. actually, that was a good one....

Black Lives Matter activists who planned to disrupt a Hillary Clinton event in Keene, New Hampshire, on Tuesday afternoon were denied entry to the event by U.S. Secret Service because the event was at capacity, according to CNN’s Dan Merica. Clinton reportedly appealed to the agents to let the activists in, but to no avail.

gosh, it was out of her control.....pul..ease

[frylock]

71. Seems legit

[azmom]

51. LOL

[virtualobserver]

52. talk about hitting the nail on the head

[azmom]

56. I'm just glad Qutzupalotl

Is on our side. That was too funny.

[aikoaiko]

66. I wonder why they do that for HRC but not Bernie?

LOL.

[AgingAmerican]

88. Because they support her, obviously

That's why they throw stink bombs and spew hatred when they see Bernie.

They don't hide it well.

[daredtowork]

102. Why did BLM request to meet with her privately?

Instead of using public disruptive tactics on her like they do with the other candidates?

That's not fair.

[virtualobserver]

2. So they are there for a cordial talk....how nice

probably won't even refuse to shake Hillary's hand

[SonderWoman]

3. Because they were invited for a chat.

Instead of her just running away. Bernie cancelled his meeting with them at NRN.

[virtualobserver]

6. please

[SonderWoman]

8. You didn't hear?

[Armstead]

15. I sure wish people would get their stories straight

IN one ear hear how he met and capitiulated to them.

In the other er he high-handedly ignored then.

All this spin makes one dizzy.

[SonderWoman]

16. I didn't hear he met with them?

Can you confirm?

[Armstead]

17. I can't go digging thrugh all of DU right now, but have seen numerous posts to that effect

And whatever the details of his social calendar was, it's obvious he listened and is trying to address their criticisms

[TM99]

85. This poster you are replying to has

a very definite agenda with regards to Sanders.

They repeat this and other factually incorrect statements quite often.

I am in Phoenix. His staff was scheduled to meet with BLM that afternoon even before the protest began. That meeting still occurred. He had another speaking engagement already scheduled with latino leaders to discuss immigration. Nothing changed but it sounds really good if you keep repeated the lie that he didn't meet with them.

[AgingAmerican]

89. It's been all over the news for days

As you well know.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2015/08/bernie_sanders_after_protests.html

[virtualobserver]

20. what I know is that Bernie has been protested twice.....

and no one is yelling at Hillary.

In neither instance would the BLM representatives even converse with Bernie on stage or even shake his hand.

No one needed to shout down Bernie, just as no one needs to shout down Hillary.

They are both reasonable people.

I've been hearing that Bernie had no right to be treated with respect at these events...that Bernie supporters are telling black people how they should be allowed to protest.

Today's events show that this is just political.

[R B Garr]

23. Bernie shunned the BLM activists the first time, second time he just left

the stage, although he waited a while. You're not representing correctly what actually happened between Bernie and BLM.

[jfern]

24. If you are defending the shutdown on Saturday

You are hopeless

[R B Garr]

31. "defending the shutdown". That statement is what is hopeless.

What does that even mean? Bernie must be sheltered even more than he already has been? Some activists show up, and it's this big of a deal for Bernie and his supporters to handle. You are the hopeless ones!

[virtualobserver]

41. the free pass for Hillary shows that it is all politics....

this was supposed to be a protest....instead it is a private meeting

Hillary is nicely sheltered...

[R B Garr]

60. Hillary asked them for a meeting. Bernie blew them off.

The sheltering part I'm referring to are the routine exposures that all candidates can or should be expected to endure. This is just one of them in a very long and tiring line of tests. Bernie should not be sheltered from them. He could have asked BLM for a meeting and reaped the publicity that garnered, but he didn't seize the moment. Carpe diem.

[Luminous Animal]

80. He has been meeting with Black Lives Matter activists

and O'Malley and Hillary have been meeting with the same activists. To be specific, all three have been quietly meeting over several weeks with the following people (all highly respected within the Black Lives Matters movement… and all heavily monitored targets of DHS):

https://twitter.com/deray/with_replies

https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa

https://twitter.com/MsPackyetti

https://twitter.com/samswey

Sanders has also held a series of meetings with his new National Press Secretary.

Both O'Malley and Sanders proposed plans to address systematic racism, police violence, and incarceration as a result of those meetings.

So, that brings up the question as to why, when she has already been quietly meeting with BLM activists… no fanfare at all… is she now announcing a meeting but not allowing the public see her take the heat?

She, quite frankly, looks the coward.

[virtualobserver]

27. they wouldn't even shake his hand

You're not representing correctly what actually happened.... the person running the Social Security event shut it down.....once they did that, Bernie left.

[R B Garr]

35. YOU are trying to conflate the first instance with the second instance for sympathy

and they were not how you describe them. The first time Bernie stubbornly ignored them and pushed on. Enough with the Bernie coddling and sympathy seeking.

[virtualobserver]

38. "stubbornly ignored them" Sorry....free pass for Hillary

somehow BLM never needs to protest her.

[R B Garr]

39. No, it was actually a free pass for Bernie, he just blew it. n/t

[virtualobserver]

42. politics

[restorefreedom]

32. he did not shun anyone

the first And second times, they comandeered the mic and would not let anyone speak. the second time, they physically assaulted him, and demanded he bow down to them.

he was right not to engage such psychotic lunacy.

i am sure though that they will have a nice tea with hillary.....

[R B Garr]

37. "psychotic lunacy"

Ugh, the name calling from you people is really abusive at this point.

You are misrepresenting what happened the first time. He spoke right over them and looked like a stubborn codger. That was obviously not forgotten the second time and BLM took over more. That's what protestors do.

[restorefreedom]

44. abusive?

abusive is calling a man who lost family members to hitler a white supremacist. abusive is pushing an old man out of the way to take over an event he was invited to speak at. abusive is demanding that a man who spent HIS ENTIRE ADULT LIFE fighting for equality and civil rights to bow down to them and grovel for their forgiveness for nothing that he ever did, except being born white.

that was a vile representation of protest, and i am sorry you can't see it that way.

[R B Garr]

47. omg, even the GOP debate/Fox News called BLM "the most important civil rights

issue of our time," yet the so-called internet progressives just continue to call names and disparage people. It hasn't gone unnoticed the complete meltdown you people are having over fairly routine activism that Bernie engaged in himself earlier in his life.

The rest of what you said is just a phony diversion to gain sympathy for Bernie. The Bernie coddling is getting old. He's a grown man who doesn't need to be babied.

[restorefreedom]

49. they were not blm

they were disruptors. and they cost blm a lot of support and credibility. the true blm movement has merit.

disruptive, politically motivated bullshit does not.

[R B Garr]

54. Sigh. I think this has been debunked already. They were BLM. n/t

[restorefreedom]

67. then they set back their own cause

by their atrocious and immature behavior.

[Spacedog1973]

75. As a progressive

Isnt 'their cause' progressives 'cause' too?

Getting all of their demands in the space of a week or so is pretty effective. Seems 'atrocious' immaturity pays dividends.

[restorefreedom]

79. they got attention

attention alone does not solve problems. especially when some lf that attention is negative.

and yes, blm cause is progressive imo. whatever agenda the young ladies had i could not say.

[Spacedog1973]

106. I agree that attention

By itself doesnt solve problems, but bringing the spotlight on police brutality and systemic racism today has literally brought change. We've seen that just through the use of smartphones how attention alone can bring change and significant change.

The young women obviously represent BLM. Protest isn't polite, not effective protest anyway. MLK would t have got where he did without Malcolm X in the background.

[restorefreedom]

114. the police brutality issue was about to bust

wide open. i read in another thread (maybe gd) that someone in boston was hoping to get legislation passed similar to ag-gag that would prevent people from videoing the police. i think it was from boston herald if you are interested.

it will never pass, and if it did, the courts would have to toss it.

edt..it was lbn


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141174476

[Spacedog1973]

117. Nobody knows the future

I think black people have been promised and have had high expectations for generations with little to show for it. Instead of waiting for others to implement change how they envisage it, directly demanding and being ugly if necessary about it, nets results. Not just here but pretty much everywhere there has bee change, it had involved ugly protest or worse in many cases.

Change doesn't come over a polite cup of tea nor waiting your turn to point out your dissatisfaction. That's hopelessly naive.

[restorefreedom]

118. probably why some are now

fantasizing about legislating people's freedom to use their cell phones to video in public places. everyone sees that this is coming to a head.

i heard someone say the other day that none of these officers charged with murder would have been charged without the video. and now some want to stifle the speech of those watching the watchers. that is something to be pissed about.

[Luminous Animal]

90. Bernie has been working with BLM activists since Net Roots Nation. O'Malley and Hillary have

also been working with the same activists. Any results that have come out were from weeks worth of work and predated the Seattle event.

[restorefreedom]

92. so if they have all been meeting with blm

what do you think motivated the two in seattle? their choice seems to have brought a backlash

[Luminous Animal]

94. BLM is a flat organization. Not all chapters know what every activist is doing.

Their choice brought a backlash because you chose to backlash.

[restorefreedom]

95. i don't think calling someone out

for rudeness constitutes an illegitimate backlash. they had to know that this tactic was going to risk serious criticism.

but as you said, a group with different chapters and elements can't control everything.

[Luminous Animal]

96. I think that calling out the rudeness rather than embracing your candidates composure and grace of

ceding the mic (even when shoved) is wrong headed. Bernie did good on that stage. The organizers did good on that stage. Bernie went on to hold an evening rally attended by 12,000 people. And they loved him. Bernie himself, his generosity of ceding the stage and his amazing rally after got totally lost because his supporters are being distracted by shiny divisive moments.

I suggest you stop making this about what people are doing TO Bernie but rather look to how Bernie is seeking to make this campaign about all of us.

Be less defensive and more proactive. View a clip of his stump speech and then view the videos of those who are protesting him and take in his reaction and then go read this:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

[restorefreedom]

97. no doubt bernie was the epitome of composure and civility.

which is why he is extremely fit to be president. i do not claim to be as fit. but i take your point.

thx for the link. good reading.

[Luminous Animal]

98. You are welcome! And cheers my Bernie compatriot!

[restorefreedom]

99. back atcha

[Spacedog1973]

108. Yeah, waiting for people to get around

In their own time to their issues has not resulted in much of anything. Bernie already had comprehensive plans for everything else beforehand. Racial Justice was absent prior to their presence. Sad but true. That laid back attitude to this issue required constant pressure.

[Luminous Animal]

84. I am going to tell you right now. You are doing it wrong. The National BLM spokesfolks have

supported this action. I suggest you back off and reflect on what you think you are protecting here.

Bernie stood by respectfully throughout his allotted time to speak at this celebration of Social Security and Medicare. He moved on to his own rally a few hours later to speak clearly and strongly against systemic racism and police violence.

There are many strong voices on #blacktwitter and #blacklivesmatter who are giving him space.

[Fawke Em]

103. You people?

YOU PEOPLE

Oh, God, shut up.

[R B Garr]

109. LMAO. Typical.

You people call others names constantly, but God forbid some young AA calls YOU PEOPLE "white supremacist liberals" and you lose your shit in an EPIC meltdown. It's REALLY pathetic.

[Fawke Em]

112. I don't call anyone a name.

I think you need to check yourself.

[R B Garr]

115. Except you were the one who told me to shut up.

Your hostility is not my problem. But it is typical of you people, and you obviously know that you people refers to those having major angst over being called white supremacist liberals.

[Luminous Animal]

81. The first time, his aids met with BLM activists, as planned. The second time, he left when his

allotted time to speak had expired. It wasn't Bernie's event and he had another engagement after that and then another… his rally in the evening. Between then and now he has been quietly meeting with Black Lives Activists and his new National Press Secretary, Symone Sanders reached out to him initially to assist him with bridging his relationship with the Black Lives Matter movement.

[R B Garr]

116. Just yesterday on MSNBC, a BLM representative said that Bernie

did not respond well to them at the first NetRoots. That was also obvious from watching him on the television, so I see what she meant.

[kath]

76. And they certainly won't shove her...

[restorefreedom]

93. the sec svc dudes and ladies

will have them on the floor before they get halfway there

nice to be in the "in" crowd....

[lunamagica]

4. K&R I hope this is a big step that will help get #BlackLivesMatter's message out

[99th_Monkey]

5. BLM "talking points & planned questions, which Yancey shared EXCLUSIVELY with New Republic"?

[mcar]

7. K&R

Sounds like a good move.

[Skwmom]

9. Thanks for the Laugh. n/t

[SonderWoman]

10. Weird that you would find it funny.

Pretty serious issue.

[Agony]

18. No really, thanks for the laugh.

"Clinton reportedly appealed to the agents to let the activists in, but to no avail."

this has NOTHING to do with the plight of 19 year old Black men in America.

[m-lekktor]

25. people aren't laughing at "the serious issue"

you are being willfully obtuse.

[SonderWoman]

29. It was a pretty vague post.

What else could the laughing be about? Any ideas?

[riversedge]

11. umm. Bernie fans gets their wish. I am glad she will be meeting with them.

And am anxious to hear the content.

[SonderWoman]

12. Obviously it's all George Soros fault.

[RoccoR5955]

19. No, it's Obama's fault!

[Bobbie Jo]

65. Obviously it's a strategy session

more plotting and planning for the next Bernie rally invasion.

[RoccoR5955]

21. How much of a donation did they have to commit to? n/t

[jfern]

22. It's not news when Sanders meets with one

Because one is his National Press Secretary.

[SonderWoman]

30. Is one what?

[jfern]

91. BLM activist

[arcane1]

33. She's a mere "token" or so I've been told on DU.

It's different when Hillary does it, apparently. Even when it's a PR stunt.

[BooScout]

34. One what?

Are you saying that Symone Sanders is a member of BLM? .....cause I'm pretty sure she is not.

[JI7]

48. i think she is

[BooScout]

50. I know she isn't

She has said she supports BLM....but she is not affiliated with them.

[Recursion]

87. There's not a national register or anything

It's not like it's a membership organization with dues.

[Agnosticsherbet]

26. Excellent

[R B Garr]

28. It was obvious they were going to target Hillary.

It was just a matter of time. The candidates are actively soliciting and courting voters, so it makes sense that BLM would target them, especially for the instant media coverage it generates. Hillary is just not as accessible because of the SS coverage. Glad that Hillary was receptive and had the common sense to realize that not only is the BLM cause important, but it's important as a candidate not to turn people off! I'm interested in hearing more about this meeting.

[jeff47]

45. Was it obvious they'd be this incompetent while "targeting" Clinton?

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"Oh, we just couldn't get in!! Oh well."

"Oh, the Secret Service just won't let them in even though Clinton asked. Honest!!"

"Oh, we'll meet privately. But BLM wants no cameras. You know how shy they are about publicity".

[R B Garr]

53. Common sense tells me this:

A candidate with Secret Service is harder to get to than a candidate with no Secret Service. That's how I took a lot of this. Hillary's events would bring them tons of publicity, so why wouldn't they target her.

[jeff47]

55. That would explain the first part. But the protectee is not a slave to the secret service.

If Clinton says "let them in", they Secret Service might say "that's a bad idea because ______". If she then says "Let them in anyway", they get let in.

Hillary's events would bring them tons of publicity, so why wouldn't they target her.

If this were true, they'd have loved to have reporters in their meeting with her. Oddly, they declined tons of free publicity.

[virtualobserver]

58. I wonder if she will be able to tell the Secret Service what to do when she is Prez?

as for the no camera thing.......I don't mind politics, but it is annoying
when they won't admit it.

"targeting" Clinton? Spin, Spin, Spin- always twirling, twirling!

[jeff47]

61. My favorite touch is some of the most prolific pro-Clinton DU posters

are on unusually later than normal. I had noticed they weren't posting as much earlier today.

[Stellar]

40. I've been saying for weeks that Hillary's secret service detail would not let anyone near her.

Others were saying MLB wasn't bothering Hillary because they were in with her.

[stevenleser]

46. Pshaw, it's much more fun to try to discredit a group trying to save the lives of minority members

and protect your sacred cow than it is to actually deal with the truth of the situation.

[virtualobserver]

63. you are the master, but this is unspinnable

[stevenleser]

77. Zero spin in my post, just brutal honesty. Nt

[jeff47]

57. Sure! That's why the Secret Service kept them out of the private meeting!

Oh wait....they didn't.

Well, at least BLM got lots of free publicity....except BLM said "no reporters".

Say what you want about the Sanders and O'Malley campaigns. At least they don't think we're that stupid.

[Snotcicles]

68. Funny how things went from very public to no public in just a couple of days. nt

[Stellar]

83. The private meeting?

Well, at least BLM got lots of free publicity....except BLM said "no reporters".

Haven't you heard, BLM got JUST what they wanted....besides publicity. They received 3 - three, criminal justice plans (from Sanders, Clinton and O'Malley) and to help support the candidates, some being put on the staff. (I read here at DU somewhere).

[jeff47]

100. Great. Link to Clinton's plan. (nt)

[Stellar]

110. Still waiting for hard copy.

So I can print it out. It better be a good one.

Hillary Clinton Pushes Criminal-Justice Proposals in Baltimore Aftermath

http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2015-04-29/hillary-clinton-to-outline-pitch-for-criminal-justice-reform

eta: Hillary Clinton Remarks at Columbia University

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton delivered a keynote address at Columbia University about the criminal justice system and incidents of police violence against unarmed black men in Ferguson, New York, South Carolina, and Baltimore.?She called for broad criminal justice reforms, including mandatory use of body cameras by U.S. police departments and sentencing reform.?She spoke at the 18th annual David N. Dinkins Leadership and Public Policy Forum in the Low Memorial Library Rotunda at Columbia University.

http://www.c-span.org/video/?325657-1/hillary-clinton-remarks-criminal-justice-reform

checking to see how this works out:
Private Prison Lobbyists Are Raising Cash for Hillary Clinton
http://allhiphop.com/2015/08/11/private-prison-lobbyists-are-raising-cash-for-hillary-clinton/

[kath]

43. I'm sure they will be asking Hillary probing questions about the things she has done to (oh, I mean

for) black people. Things she vigorously supported and/or still does, like welfare reform, "three strikes you're out" and all that other great tough-on-crime stuff, private prisons (she just LOVES their donations), etc.

And BTW, according to her those people on welfare are deadbeats, don'cha know.

[jeff47]

59. Well, we could have heard about them, but BLM said no reporters.

You know how they hate publicity.

[virtualobserver]

64. I'm thinking they were going to be so hard on her....

they didn't want to risk having it filmed....because it
might discredit the movement.

[Snotcicles]

70. Funny how that works. nt

[SonderWoman]

62. DEAR DU: This is good news!

How does anyone here actually have a problem with this?

[jeff47]

69. My problem with this is apparently a lot of people think I'm really stupid.

We are supposed to believe that:

1) Whoops! The BLM activists just happened to arrive too late. Because they are so devoted to this emergency that they just can't double-check the time of the event, or arrive early.

2) Clinton is a slave to the Secret Service. She totally asked the Secret Service to let them in anyway, but they said no! You know, the Secret Service is totally going to keep Clinton away from these BLM activists.

3) Except they then had a private meeting with Clinton. So the Secret Service is not actually keeping Clinton away from these BLM activists.

4) BLM decided to turn down gobs of free publicity and media coverage by not allowing reporters into their meeting. Their plan was to talk to Clinton in a room full of people and reporters, but since they arrived late they totally changed their minds. And they have such a history of turning down media coverage of their actions.

Just how stupid am I supposed to be?

[azurnoir]

111. this :)

[aikoaiko]

72. Good news for HRC and those who dislike Bernie.

Its nice they are so respectful of Hillary.

[m-lekktor]

73. lol

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH!!

[kath]

74. Yeah, WHOOOOOOOSSSSSHHH

seems to be a pattern with this one.

[Luminous Animal]

82. Why the big deal now when she has actually been quietly meeting with Black Lives Matter activists

of and on for several weeks?

I'll see what comes out of this. Apparently, the activists recorded the entire meeting and will be publishing it online. (And I will not trust one bit of it unless it is posted unedited - sick of spin one way or another.) Early reports say that Hillary acquiesced to the facts of "failed policy" but did not take a whit of personal responsibility for those failed policies.

[Motown_Johnny]

78. Last week she met with health care workers, then...

this week a nurse's union endorsed Bernie.

Lets see where BLM is in about a week.

We may start to see a pattern developing.

[eridani]

101. Is she going to apologize for being the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" in 2007?

Welfare "deform"? The incarceration binge of the 90s?

[daredtowork]

104. I hope she also expands on

why she doesn't think social problems have economic causes. Gah!

[silenttigersong]

105. How Convenient. n/t

[azurnoir]

107. Well of course she will isn't that the point of show earlier on Tuesday

ifor anyone who's been paying attention it was all quite expected the only difference is if you support Hillary you act surprised and of course impressed

[Autumn]

113. Wait. No reporters?