2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo Republicans intend to make repeal of PPACA their rallying cry in November?
Much like they did in 2009-2010, Republicans are apparently going to be gunning for control of all three branches- House, Senate, Presidency in their effort to repeal or at least gut significant portions of PPACA.
The question I have is, will they be able to stoke the requisite "outrage" over PPACA that they were back then or has some of the anger that helped propel Republicans into control of the House and gave them a couple more seats in the Senate disappated since then or will some of that free floating anger and anxiety dissapate now that SCOTUS has found PPACA to be constitutional and President Obama and the Democrats have been vindicated not only of the law's constitutionality but that their time spent in 2009-2010 trying to pass the law was not wasted (though I would argue that much of that time was wasted because they Republicans obstructed passage of anything and those seemingly interested in working out a bipartisan bill were mainly stalling for time)?
Polls notwithstanding, how many people do you know are really angry about this? I mean, other than the teabaggers, whom are already foaming at the mouth angry about everything related to President Obama and Democrats in general? I have observed a lot of misinformation floating around out there about the law but repealing a law that is already doing good things for a lot of people doesn't seem to be the dominant issue(s) on most people's minds (that would mostly be jobs and money to pay bills). I also believe that President Obama putting it before SCOTUS like he did gave him and the Democrats another opportunity to get the media to publicize all of the things that the law aready has been doing for people, which they have to a bigger degree than they did back in 2009-2010 when it was still rather abstract for most people.
I'm mostly concerned about the new "tax" spin the Republicans are trying to put on their message, however, as other people have dutifully pointed out, the law is almost entirely modeled after the health care reform that Mitt Romney, the GOP's standard bearer this year, aggressively pursued and signed into law in Massachusetts, so I'm wondering if that will help nullify that attack. IMHO the GOP really couldn't have picked anybody worse to run against President Obama if their main line of attack is going to be repealing PPACA, something that Mitt Romney has vowed to do "on day one" of his Presidency if he, heaven forbids, gets to the WH. He may be able to dodge the issue right now but I can't imagine how he's going to be able to maneuver in the debates when he is (really) pressed on why he thought what he did was good for Massachusetts was not good for the rest of the country. I hope President Obama and the Democrats really work hard to pin him down on this during the remainder of the campaign, particularly since it appears now that Republicans are making this a top priority.
Mz Pip
(27,453 posts)who hates ACA and wants it gone. She's a Democrat who works for an insurance company. She seems to believe the worst about it - that rates will triple and health insurance employees will lose their jobs.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Many understand the benefits better now. Also the SCOTUS ruling gives it credibility it didnt have before. Many will continue to hate it regardless but I think some moderates/independents will view it more positive now and vote accordingly.
HopeHoops
(47,675 posts)Go for it.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)It is really downright spooky that we have this group of people not only telling people that they want to take away what has already been given to them by this law but that they are bound and determined to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY to do it!
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)former9thward
(32,082 posts)A poll taken right after the SC decision showed 50% of Americans opposed the ruling. http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/06/29/new-poll-voters-dislike-supreme-court-s-obamacare-ruling.html
So of course Republicans are going to attack it.
and-justice-for-all
(14,765 posts)blah blah blah...
The ACA is imperative and uber vital, we can no longer carry on with the same broken down system that is doing little to nothing for people. People may not be hot on it right this very instant, but has more of it goes into effect, they will quickly realize just how it is working for everyone.
I would like to have seen all of it go into effect much sooner, like 2013 at the latest, if not a year and half after it was signed into law.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,438 posts)and all of the individual items (except for the mandate) are polling just fine (a majority of Republicans and independents support them as well). I don't really understand polling that has people favoring every part of the law except for the mandate yet stating that they want the whole law repealed at the same time. I can see people wanting the law to go further but anybody that wants it to go further needs to understand that building on PPACA is a MUCH better strategy than repealing it and replacing it. I wonder if most people just think that they're going to have to pay the fine? I have a friend (not a Republican wingnut by any stretch of the imagination) who is already covered by health insurance erroneously thinking that he would have to get MORE insurance coverage under the law. I explained to him that this is NOT the case. It's quite possible that more people than him think this as well. The problem is that the Republicans, Fox News, et. al have injected so much propaganda, lies, and misinformation into the discussion that people are left with no real clue about what the law actually does require.
former9thward
(32,082 posts)And that is the real problem. The ACA does not limit cost increases. The language and sections about costs are filled with weasel words. Of course your response to that is blah, blah, blah.