2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIs this Supreme Court ruling good for Americans, am just asking!
Or would it have been better if the SC overruled and get single payer on the table if President Obama got elected. From all accounts, President Obama could be re-elected but we cannot count our chickens before they are hatched.
I just hope President Obama gets elected but you all have to work hard to get people to go vote!
Thanks
TheWraith
(24,331 posts)Not this Congress, not for the foreseeable future. If the ACA were overturned, it wouldn't prompt MORE radical legislation, it would eliminate what we got so far and make healthcare reform radioactive for at least another decade or two.
The only realistic prospect for single-payer is for states to start doing it, then for it to spread. That's how it happened in Canada. States can start going single-payer as early as 2017, which is when Vermont's new system will kick in.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)With that kind of support, it's hard to believe that Democrats couldn't have gotten single payer if they wanted it.
But they either didn't want it, or were too timid to try it. That hasn't changed today.
ObamaCare is better than what we have now, so I think the ruling is good. The hope is that we start electing Democrats to office who believe in traditional Democratic principles, and who have some courage. Then we'll get world-class healthcare.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)but I haven't heard this. Most people I know feel ACA goes too far, much less single payer. Can you give a link to support you statistics.
But, no matter the only people who count those elected to congress, who would never pass it, unless a Republican suggested it and it looked like it would hurt Obama.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)As an experiment, the next time someone you know is negative about ACA, ask how they'd feel about expanding Medicare to cover everyone, instead.
More than half of Republicans is eluding me right now - I'll try again later.
SoutherDem
(2,307 posts)I hadn't heard that before.
joshcryer
(62,296 posts)If this concept had a two thirds majority in Congress we'd have it.
MannyGoldstein
(34,589 posts)We vote for the wrong people.
Even when we vote for people who, say, swear they'll fight for a public option...
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Major Nikon
(36,843 posts)Per the CBO, the ACA will result in 60% coverage of those who were previously uninsured. I'm not sure why anyone would think that's a bad thing. Furthermore the costs go down. While the rest of the nation was seeing their health insurance premiums go up, Massachusetts saw theirs go down. The individual mandate, like it or not, makes all of this happen.
Personally I believe single payer will come not by legislation, but by public demand. Once the rest of the US sees how well Vermont's system works, more states are going to want it.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)^^^ See two posts above
Wounded Bear
(58,912 posts)I think we will see more states use this as a way of beefing up their state systems into single payer plans, or at least "public option" plans. The expansion of Medicaid starts the ball rolling, and the Exchanges are supposed to encourage public based plans as alternatives to private insurance.
We may end up with a Canada-like plan, where individual states handle the details with Federal support, but it ends up covering everybody, which is what we need.