Black Lives Matter! Period. Therefore I Have Altered my Primary Intentions.

[MineralMan]

Recent attacks on people who insist that attention be paid to the wholesale killing of unarmed black people by official government law enforcement officers has convinced me that my support for Bernie Sanders in the primaries was misplaced. When I align myself with a candidate and pledge support for that candidate, I am aligning myself with that candidate's supporters.

I can no longer do that in good faith. Due to actions by supporters of Senator Sanders, I am withdrawing my support for him at our caucuses in Minnesota. I cannot be aligned any longer with his supporters, which has cost that candidate my own support. His insistence that economic changes will produce the kind of social change that is so much needed no longer can be supported, either.

Perhaps he will change that line of thinking, and perhaps not. He appears to be convinced of it. Yes, he has supported civil rights issues throughout his career, but his current campaign focuses too much on economics and not enough on redressing the real and continuing racial inequality in the United States. Both are critically important, and focusing only on one will not result in the changes that are desperately needed.

Some will, no doubt, say that I never actually supported Sanders in the first place. They are incorrect. I know my own heart and mind. Nobody else does. So, I will ignore such comments.

Candidates are known by many through the actions of their supporters. That can be very beneficial for the candidate or very harmful. Certain actions by supporters of Senator Sanders, whose politics in general are well-aligned with my own, have represented the candidate very poorly, and I see no tendency for them to change. Those supporters may well poison his campaign and cause the rejection of a broad base of support by PoC. Without that support, he cannot win the Presidency, and it is crucial that we elect a Democratic President in 2016.

As of now, I will be supporting Hillary Clinton to become the Democratic nominee for President. I believe she will be the nominee, and think that Bernie Sanders has reached his peak of support by the general Democratic voting public. What a shame! Hillary Clinton has and will continue to have broad support from all segments of our society. That support is absolutely critical. Loss of any sector of support will lead to a Republican as President. The Sanders campaign is too narrow and focused on only part of the change needed. Sanders supporters are making enemies, not friends. That simply will not work, and I will not support it.

[think]

1. We've been busy celebrating Symone D Sanders and her involvement in the Sanders campaign :)

Sorry you've been missing the party.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251504669

[SonderWoman]

4. Not everyone is celebrating:

#BlackLivesMatter Protesters Are Not the Problem http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem

[think]

5. Do you even know who Symone D Sanders is?

[SonderWoman]

23. Did you even read the article?

She is mentioned.

[think]

27. Mentioned is right. Nothing about her or her background. Just a blatant dismissal. Thanks....

[SonderWoman]

30. The author is black.

[JackInGreen]

31. Does that

Make the dismissal any less a dismissal?

[progressoid]

46. I'm tall and own a basketball. Does qualify me to be an expert on the NBA?

[SonderWoman]

87. If you were on a professional basketball team it would.

You can take your jersey off, the author can't take their skin off. He's lived it his whole life, therefore an expert.

[lark]

101. Some blacks are Repugs.

Just because someone is black doesn't automatically mean they have the best interests of black people at heart. Dr. Ben Carson is black and I don't believe he cares one bit about the everyday plight of black people. The BLM leader on stage in Seattle is one who wore Sarah Palin buttons during the 2008 election. Think she might have a different agenda?

[MADem]

141. The author of that article used to be a TV producer for Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris Perry.

He was brought into the magazine as a senior editor to restore their trashed and tattered reputation.

You are reaching. His agenda is pretty obvious. Most of his articles are on issues of interest to black people and women. All you have to do is click on his name to see that.

But here, learn for yourself at this link:

http://www.theroot.com/articles/lists/2013/10/theroot_100/jamil_smith.html

Jamil Smith cut his teeth in politics at MSNBC as a segment producer and blogger for The Rachel Maddow Show after a successful career in sports TV during which he won three Emmys. He then became a producer for Melissa Harris-Perry, where his work around the NYPD's use of stop and frisk and the George Zimmerman trial and verdict offered needed critical analyses of complicated and emotionally charged issues. Smith is a proud proponent of intersectionality and is a frequent contributor to the New Republic and MSNBC on matters of race and, perhaps surprisingly to some, gender: "Applying the standards of ending sexism, sexist exploitation, and oppression should come as easy as breathing to black men, people who consistently find ourselves regarded as targets," he told The Root.

There is a lot to like about Mr. Smith.

[AlbertCat]

392. The author of that article used to be a TV producer for Rachel Maddow and Melissa Harris Perry.

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 12:58 PM - Edit history (3)

What a shame then he's fallen for the Right Wing lies and memes that have no merit.

Maybe that's why he doesn't produce for them anymore.


Keeping that Corporatist heart beating.

As someone pointed out elsewhere on DU:


Clinton supports TPP
XL pipeline
Fracking (ffs)
Corporations
Wall St.
Patriot Act
And the worst of all...she voted for the Iraq War


I also read somewhere she said "All lives matter". IF she did say that, it sorta negates the urgency and whole point of BLM.

[MADem]

393. Absurd premise. There's nothing "right wing" about that article.

It might upset the "white wing" but that's a different issue.

[AlbertCat]

395. Absurd premise. There's nothing "right wing" about that article.

The Right Wing made up the meme that Sanders doesn't care about blacks. BLM reinforced it with their stunt reminiscent of the shouting down of Town Halls on the ACA.

It's 100% Right Wing. Using an emotional issue, to confuse people and make them act against their own best interests.

It's 200% Right Wing.

Anyone who cannot see that needs to sit down and take a powder.


Besides, single issue voting strikes me as pretty Teabaggery.

[MADem]

396. That is an absurd premise as well, and insulting to #BLM. You should be ashamed of yourself. nt

[AlbertCat]

397. and insulting to #BLM

Baloney.

You should be ashamed of yourself for pushing RW memes no a Dem site.

BLM shouldn't act like Teabaggers.

I've asked time and time again on here why BLM doesn't have a forum and invite the candidates to speak on the issue that is so important to them.

I never get an answer to that simple question. All I get is ad hominems and .

I think BLM is being used.

[MADem]

417. Because BLM has no interest in electoral politics. You are looking at them through your

lenses of privilege and you aren't understanding their priorities. They have a different agenda. They don't care about your candidate, my candidate, or Ann Coulter's candidate. They just don't care. They don't owe you--or your candidate, or my candidate, or anyone's candidate--any loyalty.

Once you get that point, the rest is easier to sort out.


Take some time and study this website. http://blacklivesmatter.com/

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
August 9, 2015
At this time, #BlackLivesMatter does not endorse any presidential candidate. Moreover, we are not affiliated with a political party. Our work is not funded or driven by any political party nor is it influenced by local or national candidates.
As stated in our mission, #BlackLivesMatter is an ideological and political intervention; we are not controlled by the same political machine we are attempting to hold accountable. In the year leading up to the elections, we are committed to holding all candidates for Office accountable to the needs and dreams of Black people. We embrace a diversity of tactics. We are a decentralized network aiming to build the leadership and power of black people. We do not endorse any political party and we are not supported by any political party. Our political aims we’ve stated clearly.
Historically, all political parties have participated in the systematic disenfranchisement of Black people. Anti-black racism, especially that sanctioned by the state, has resulted in the loss of healthy and thriving Black life and well-being. Given that, we will continue to hold politicians and political parties accountable for their policies and platforms. We will also continue to demand the intentional dismantling of structural racism.
For more information about #BlackLivesMatter nationally, please visit the official website at www.blacklivesmatter.com, follow @BlkLivesMatter on Twitter, or visit the Facebook page here.

These are not "RW" memes. To their perspective--and they have a point--it's really no difference having an enemy in the White House than having a friend there who keeps telling you to wait your turn, we'll get around to you .... eventually.... while children are murdered in the streets.

Where you stand depends on where you sit.

[MADem]

118. Yes-that is a "big finish" in that article

Sanders, given to touting his record of working for civil rights and uttering names like Sandra Bland since the Netroots incident, experienced a second interruption during a planned event in Seattle on Saturday. Two women and one man claiming affiliation with #BlackLivesMatter disrupted the event before the Vermont senator could speak. Some Sanders backers in the crowd booed when they were told that one of the women, Marissa Johnson, would get her say before the candidate. “Bernie, you were confronted at Netroots at by black women," Johnson said before adding, "you have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like O’Malley did."

Having already responded to the crowd’s boos by telling them that they proved how “racist” the reputably liberal Seattle is, Johnson also called for a four-and-one-half minute-long moment of silence for Brown. Instead, more shouting from the crowd followed, including, per reports, shouts of “arrest her.” Sanders, rather than letting the protesters have their say and responding, left the stage. The event concluded without him speaking. A chorus of his supporters took to social media to question Johnson’s tactics—as if that’s what mattered most—and to tell anyone who dared question why Sanders didn’t have a set of racial-justice proposals that they somehow already existed. They were wrong.

A page entitled “Racial Justice” only appeared on his site early Sunday morning, containing a long list of proposals. A campaign representative reached out to me to say that those proposals, in the works for the three weeks since Netroots, were derived from a speech that’s been on the site since July 25. Given the pressure being put on them and the urgency they showed in creating the platform, it’s odd that the campaign put it online, essentially, under the cover of darkness.

The policies on Sanders’s racial justice page, while surely more welcome than none at all, are undeniably blurrier than those O’Malley put forth, and need considerably more specificity and clarity. There’s a lot of the typically forcefully liberal language Sanders likes to employ in order to inspire, but it seems even more fanciful than the O’Malley plan. But those ideas are certainly signs that he is hearing #BlackLivesMatter’s message. The problem isn’t so much him as it is his supporters, cursing protesters and later, on social media, touting their guy’s record whenever they are challenged on his (heretofore) lack of a platform regarding structural racism. They continue to misunderstand the primary goals of the #BlackLivesMatter protest actions, as have been clearly stated: Firm policy proposals, not rhetoric. Black voters have moved past "hope and change.” And hiring Symone Sanders, a black woman, as his press secretary—as the Sanders campaign announced hours after the protest—can't be expected to mollify the movement. #BlackLivesMatter wants policies for black people, not black people for his policies.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem

[Cha]

317. "#BlackLivesMatter wants policies for black people, not black people for his policies."

Thank you, MADem.. I highlighted this part when I thanked SonderWoman for this article by Jamil Smith..

snip//

Having already responded to the crowd’s boos by telling them that they proved how “racist” the reputably liberal Seattle is, Johnson also called for a four-and-one-half minute-long moment of silence for Brown. Instead, more shouting from the crowd followed, including, per reports, shouts of “arrest her.” Sanders, rather than letting the protesters have their say and responding, left the stage. The event concluded without him speaking. A chorus of his supporters took to social media to question Johnson’s tactics—as if that’s what mattered most—and to tell anyone who dared question why Sanders didn’t have a set of racial-justice proposals that they somehow already existed. They were wrong.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem

Another missed opportunity.

[Cha]

313. Mahalo for the article by Jamil Smith, SW. "#BlackLivesMatter Protesters Are Not the Problem"

snip//

Having already responded to the crowd’s boos by telling them that they proved how “racist” the reputably liberal Seattle is, Johnson also called for a four-and-one-half minute-long moment of silence for Brown. Instead, more shouting from the crowd followed, including, per reports, shouts of “arrest her.” Sanders, rather than letting the protesters have their say and responding, left the stage. The event concluded without him speaking. A chorus of his supporters took to social media to question Johnson’s tactics—as if that’s what mattered most—and to tell anyone who dared question why Sanders didn’t have a set of racial-justice proposals that they somehow already existed. They were wrong.

Another missed opportunity.

[MADem]

78. I hope Symone is getting one hell of a payday, because she's going to need the money. nt

[think]

82. Symone D Sanders is a strong, confident, and intelligent woman.

From everything I've seen & read about her she'll be just fine....

Creighton graduate joins Bernie Sanders’ campaign

~Snip~

Symone Sanders, who grew up in Omaha, attended Sacred Heart and graduated from Creighton University in May 2013, worked as community outreach manager for the Empowerment Network in Omaha. She is national youth chairwoman and a member of the Coalition on Juvenile Justice, a national nonprofit that focuses on effective and age-appropriate care of youth in the justice system.

She worked on Nebraska Democrat Chuck Hassebrook’s campaign for governor in 2014 and was a member of Omaha’s charter review convention committee in 2013.

In 2006, while a student at Mercy High School, she was selected to introduce former President Bill Clinton at a Girls Inc. event in Omaha. Sanders recalled the honor in 2012, telling The World-Herald that she wanted the job so badly that she begged, pushed and wrote her way onto the stage. She ended up being written into Clinton’s book on giving, and she caught the eye of a law firm, which gave her summer internships.

Read more:
http://www.omaha.com/news/politics/creighton-graduate-joins-bernie-sanders-campaign/article_79e9e82c-3e4e-11e5-af54-b3ccb43656af.html

[MADem]

121. And I hope they are paying her well, because she will earn every dime and then some.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem

[George II]

148. "she.....pushed her way onto the stage"?

[progressoid]

153. Metaphorically pushed. Not literally.

[think]

167. It was a metaphorical statement not a literal one.

In other words she worked very hard to achieve this honor:

In 2006, while a student at Mercy High School, she was selected to introduce former President Bill Clinton at a Girls Inc. event in Omaha. Sanders recalled the honor in 2012, telling The World-Herald that she wanted the job so badly that she begged, pushed and wrote her way onto the stage. She ended up being written into Clinton’s book on giving, and she caught the eye of a law firm, which gave her summer internships.

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[cali]

192. why does she need the money?

[MADem]

198. She'll probably need a long vacation after the shellacking she's likely to get. nt

[cali]

213. why would she get a shellacking?

Sounds like wishful thinking on your part, not what's likely to happen. Sorry.

[MADem]

232. You really think it's a smooth move to instruct a massive crowd of white people to scream

WE STAND TOGETHER at a few black protesters who might show up at a rally?

Ohhh kaaaay....!

If that's the "strategery" they might need to dig deeper, try harder.

[cali]

235. first of all, they are not all white.

Secondly, I don't think we'll be seeing anyone commandeering the stage at a big Bernie rally. Hasn't happened to date, and its far less likely to happen now. Thirdly, I don't think it's a bad strategy.

[MADem]

238. 97 percent white...! But hey, no matter that, eh?

People's first instinct will be to play "Where's Waldo" if video of such an event ever hits the media...and the first thing they'll be doing is looking to see what those non-white faces are doing during these chants.

The strategy is brand new--so we haven't had a chance to see it roll out.

I think it's tone deaf, myself!

[cali]

269. where did you get the figure 97%?

You know what I think is ten deaf? Hillary saying it's understandable that white people are afraid of young black men in hoodies. Hillary I response to the concerns of poc regarding being murdered by police, declaring that all lives matter. Hill's having protesters who ask her uncomfortable questions, dragged off by security. Now that's some high octane tone deaf your candidate has going on!

[MADem]

273. People who support Hillary will make their own decisions. I am not going to speak for

Hillary supporters--I can only speak for myself.

All I can tell you is what I observe about Sanders' crowds. There are no black people in them! Except for the guy on the stage, it looks like a Republican rally.

His problem, in a nutshell: http://www.vox.com/2015/5/27/8671135/bernie-sanders-race

[A Simple Game]

293. Hard to speak about the makeup of Hillary supporters, unless you are one of the invited ones. n/t

[JEB]

305. Working class people of any color cannot afford to attend

Hillary's events.

[notadmblnd]

330. They event that was disrupted was not a Sanders event

It was supposed to be an event on Social Security where Sanders was to speak. So Blaming Sander's supporters for yelling back and using racial slurs is a bit premature, no? That audience was filled with a hell of a lot of non- Sander's supporters.

But you are free to believe what you like.

[MADem]

358. You're seriously trying to claim he wasn't the 'draw' there?

And you're seriously trying to suggest that, what, the KKK sent a contingent to Westlake Park because they "knew" there was going to be a disruption by a couple of young black women?

Please.

A Seattle speech by Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders was pre-empted in a chaotic confrontation Saturday afternoon with a pair of Black Lives Matter protesters, who took the stage and refused to let him speak.

The Vermont senator, who has drawn huge crowds around the country, was to be the star attraction and final speaker for a rally at Westlake Park to celebrate the 80th birthday of Social Security and the success of other anti-poverty programs.

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

[notadmblnd]

359. No, I merely said there were others there that wern't necessarily Sanders supporters

everything else- you said.

[MADem]

362. Yes, and everyone goes to the Rolling Stones concert to hear the warm-up band.

Please.

[notadmblnd]

363. Everyone? Where did I ever say everyone?

I said what I said. You said everything else.

[MADem]

364. Keep struggling. That is what it looks like. nt

[notadmblnd]

365. ...

[okasha]

408. Inadvertent Trump quote.

[jonno99]

247. What exactly makes HRC the choice for POC - over Bernie? What has she done

to solidify their support?

[MADem]

257. That's an individual decision and choice. Some would say she doesn't tell people what they need,

she ASKS. She has been hiring black people for years (as has her husband) --she didn't run to Ralph Nader a week ago and grab up his communications director to put some color on her front lines. Some aren't ready to choose her, either--but she's not going to tell them "Come to me, or ELSE."

The "DU community" ran off a (now jaded, no doubt) Sanders supporter who was trying to tell people what the problem was with how Sanders is being perceived by the black community. She was hyper-alerted and silenced.

Just wrong.

[Fawke Em]

316. Does she ask in her "black voice?"

Because I distinctly remember her doing that in 2008 in front of a group of black activists in New York. One can't even claim that she was trying to simply "speak Southern," either, since her audience wasn't in the South.

It was cringe-worthy.

[magicmama]

348. After her 4 years as a Press Secretary for President Bernard Sanders

she will deserve a long vacation....

[roguevalley]

182. because of the actions of his supporters. Jeez. Because of

people he doesn't know and doesn't control you aren't supporting him? No offense but something tells me if you find offense at people who do support him who have ticked you off, you were never supporting him. I could say the same thing about Hillary but then, I don't support her anyway. How is he responsible for the actions of people he doesn't even know exist? I can't grasp this. I have heard it from another and truly, it is beyond me.

Issues make or break me, not ass hats who act up on the internet. If he has the issues you want, support him but don't blame idiots on the internet for changing your support. If that is all it takes, then I am surprised anyone will vote for anyone. IMHO.

[think]

185. I'm guessing this was meant for Mineral Man :)

[roguevalley]

248. sorry, think. it was. I hate drop downs. :D

I love ya mineral man and read you a lot but this mystifies me.

Take care out there, think.

[whatchamacallit]

2. So you're another one of the geniuses

who believe all Sanders supporters are a homogeneous hive-mind, and their candidate (a candidate you claimed to believe in) should be punished for it. We had your number from the beginning.

[cherokeeprogressive]

66. Yup.

Disingenuous at best.

[haikugal]

134. Yep...I'm so surprised....

[MADem]

145. HIVE MIND? You don't mean...like THIS, do you?

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/08/10/1410529/--We-Stand-Together-WTF

Symone Sanders told the crowd to cheer “We Stand Together” over and over if a disruption came in Portland, signaling that the campaign is preparing strategies to prevent Black Lives Matter from shutting it down again.

[whatchamacallit]

157. As if this is a meaningful reply

or even decent gotcha... What, did Hillary's white supporters get a memo saying it's open season on Symone Sanders?

[MADem]

200. You don't think everyone chanting the same thing sounds a little HIVE-ish? And I wasn't the one who

brought the HIVE word into this discussion--so, whoever smelled it first had better be prepared to deal with it.

So yeah, I DO think it's a meaningful reply, because it applies to the concept that was introduced just upthread, thanks for asking.

It ain't a gotcha, either--it's just an observation in response to a comment.

Pssst--that "memo" meme is getting over-used. Just because a person can come to a logical conclusion doesn't mean they have to be told what to think....or to say, you know, like a chant, in unison, at a rally....that someone tells everyone to say!




Light reading: http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122510/blacklivesmatter-protesters-are-not-problem

[whatchamacallit]

210. If the spokesperson at a Hillary rally suggested a chant like say, "45 45 45 45..."

would it be Hive Mind too? You guys act like you're talking to children, there's an enormous difference between instructing a chant at a rally and the absurd notion that all Sanders supporters are genetically predisposed to not give a shit about PoC. That's what I meant by Hive mind. So yeah, your response is lame.

[MADem]

224. In response to what? A #BlackLivesMatter protest?

I'd consider that TONE deaf, frankly. Stupid. Clueless. DUMB. A GOP dream scenario.

A bunch of white people screaming WE STAND TOGETHER at a few black people protesting is what's called BAD OPTICS. I wouldn't recommend that kind of move to any candidate, frankly. If you can't see that, I can't help you.

I don't think much of your little attempt at coming up with an "equivalent scenario," and lame doesn't begin to describe it.

[whatchamacallit]

230. This such bullshit and you know it

If they were doing this to Hillary y'all would be howling like banshees. And if they did and Hillary's crowd shouted or chanted them down you'd love it, if Hillary let security throw them out you'd love it. I'll tell you what you wouldn't love, if they were rude and disrespectful to her, commandeered her stage and wouldn't let her speak to the thousands who trekked sometimes long distances to see her, screamed in her face, insulted her and her audience... Go ahead and dishonestly deny it.

[MADem]

233. Why do you have to resort to foul invective and hot-breathed anger so readily?

She'll cross that bridge when she comes to it. And it's not like it has never happened before.

Hillary has been heckled and abused by PROS.

She knows how to handle that kind of situation.

It's part of the game. A candidate who can't handle a little shit on the campaign trail, and whose supporters whine and cry about dissent is not going to last very long.

It's a long hard slog--it's barely begun.

[whatchamacallit]

242. Lol! If it ever does happen to her, I'll be watching for your solidarity with the activists and

your patience and restraint.

[MADem]

244. I'm sure you will. :)

[Puglover]

240. Nah the fainting couch

was employed due to your foul mouthed invective and hot-breathed anger. I don't do this very much but



This site just keeps on giving.

[whatchamacallit]

243. I know huh

[Maedhros]

174. He's a diehard Clinton supporter from day one

who is taking this opportunity to throw a smear against Sanders supporters. Nothing more.

[Depaysement]

370. +1

Nailed it.

Note the "focused too much on economics" language too.

[Sheepshank]

177. a..n..d you just hammered another nail into that coffin

confirmations are good in that it makes people more certain of their decision.

[whatchamacallit]

178. Lol, like you actually took him for a Sanders supporter

[Sheepshank]

199. I actually took MM as someone.....

who really wanted to believe that Sanders could deliver.

Bernie can't. He cannot inspire true change and unity. All he can deliver are inspired loudmouthed bullies that attempt to use Bernie's words, but then speak a polar opposite........about 80% of the responses on this thread are a clear indication. What is it about Bernie that inspires that kind of crowd? I personally rejected that type of inspiration a long time ago.

Like I said, confirmation.

[whatchamacallit]

206. It's difficult to respond

to something so stupid. You go ahead and maintain your delusion that all the people supporting Bernie on this board, on the Internet, in those arenas in every state, and in the entire country are nothing more than "loudmouthed bullies" or better yet "liberal white supremacists". There's no point in arguing with someone who could entertain such nonsense.

[Sheepshank]

249. still more confirmation

Bernie will never, ever, ever fucking win with the likes of you supporting his cause.

[whatchamacallit]

259. I started to write this long response and then thought - what am I doing?

this guy's in la la land... Good luck with Pander Bear.

[Sheepshank]

304. Yeah, I get it. Some supporters opinions are less than the dust bunnies under my bed

....one day I'll get out the vacuum and clean house, but for now I'll just watch them getting batted around by my kitty...or by the breeze created by my ceiling fan.

[cui bono]

347. If people like you would actually believe facts it would help.

But you continued to spout the bs meme about him not registering as a Dem when I linked you to the Vermont SOS site showing that individuals don't register for parties there. You believed a smear OP instead just because it had a picture of a ballot on it.

If facts aren't important than yes, one could believe just about anything. Even all the posts by Bernie "supporters" who changed their mind and went for a corporatist over a social Democrat just because of some anonymous internet posts.

Sure. Like that really happened.

[Sheepshank]

350. As Bernie supporters like to tell us....its a revolution....

..it's a mighty movement. It's not just a few posts.

I find it pretty hillarious that on one hand you are an innocuous small band of loyalists, but on another an unstoppable national wave.

I just happen to think the wave is eventually going to crash on a distant little rock. In the mean time, while that wave is building the embedded jellyfish are stinging every dissenter in their path. It's almost instinctual.

What is it about Bernie that he inspires and collects these types of supporters? MM has realized that supporters are important to the movement, and it's not a movement that calls to him any more. And for that DU comes out to crucify a long term DUer and decent human being. This thread has brought it all home...and MM was absolutely right to brush Bernie supporters and by extension Bernie from the bottom of his shoes.

[cui bono]

352. You miss the point that if one is allowing a few anonymous internet posters to determine their

choice of candidate - especially when they are on oppposite ends of the Democratic Party spectrum and the one being run towards is centrist and corporatist - then the support was never really there to begin with. It's an impossible scenario. And if it is actually true, then the person who allowed that to happen has no integrity in their principles since one cannot hold true to them and then be able to toss them aside because of posts by anonymous internet people. So all the dramatic posts by Hillary supporters claiming to have once supported Bernie but now they are going to back Hillary are just that, drama. Theater. Bad theater at that because the acting is not believable.

[Sheepshank]

366. MM has told how he feels, I've told you how I feel

And yet you come back and tell us what we should be feeling. Why our feeling and perceptions are not like yours and therefore are incorrect. This is exactly the type of tone deafness so many have tried to point out. The dismissive belittling because someone is not in lock step with the Bernie Brigade

From a recently posted article up thread: The problem isn’t so much him as it is his supporters, cursing protesters and later, on social media, touting their guy’s record whenever they are challenged on his (heretofore) lack of a platform regarding structural racism. They continue to misunderstand the primary goals of the #BlackLivesMatter protest actions......

[cui bono]

369. I'm not telling you what you should be feeling.

You are trying desperately to twist this into something of your liking.

Your second paragraph is false. As I have stated many times, the record is touted because his stance on social justice has been attacked endlessly on DU. There has been a meme on DU, long before the BLM incidents, that Bernie's policies and he himself, are just for white males, that his crowds were "lily white *wink wink*". How do you propose his supporters counter that if not with his record?

It's been an interesting process to observe though. Attack Sanders on social justice knowing full well that supporters will defend him since he has a great record on it, complain that his supporters keep touting his record (as if that's not what people do about political candidates, who doesn't run on their record???), then claim that supporters drove them to support HRC. Oh, and of course, keep up the long standing Bernie supporters are big ol' meanies the whole time as well. This did not start with the BLM incidents, it's been going on long before that.

And with that I leave you. There is absolutely no reason to attack Sanders on racial issues yet here on DU it is non-stop. Since there's no reason for the attacks, I am going to try to take the advice of a fellow Sanders supporter and not respond to them. I don't know if I'll be successful, clearly so far I'm not, but we'll see how it goes.

[Sheepshank]

381. .....a..n..d yet you keep going while stating you will not

I will ask you the same thing I asked another Bernie supporter upthread:

Sheepshank (8,433 posts)
325. You support everything that is going on on this thread?

And you don't see the execution of a decent person's character?

You really think MM deserves this type of pile on?

If you said "yes" to any of the above, then you and your ilk are everything I have stated.

There is non so blind........

[cui bono]

411. Okay, you just proved you either don't read my posts or simply don't care for facts.

What I said:

I don't know if I'll be successful, clearly so far I'm not, but we'll see how it goes.

So what's the point of you attempting to insult me about that when I already pointed that out?

Sigh.... some people just like to be contrary.

[arcane1]

209. Yeah!! He sure as hell didn't inspire anyone in Portland!!1

[Sheepshank]

250. no one stuck up for him there.

so yeah, depth of character all over Portland.

[arcane1]

253. Nope, they just chanted "We Stand Together"

Clearly no unity there.

[Sheepshank]

254. two people shouted down how many thousands?

ok....whatev

[arcane1]

255. Glad to see you giving up. Smart move n/t

[dgibby]

356. Right.

Only 28,000 people, but don't let the facts get in your way. You're on a roll. No sense in stopping now.

[kenfrequed]

298. No

He had always said that Hillary would win and that Bernie was only useful for supposedly moving Hillary to the left. Now that Bernie's numbers are getting interesting of course he jumps ship. Interesting that he does so right after Bernie's largest event so far.

I guess some people actually think that "winning" an argument on DU is somehow going to stop a massive, real-life activist army going to bat for Bernie.

Too many the people here seem to think this is where the primary will be won or lost. It really is kind of odd.

[Sheepshank]

307. So he likes Bernie while acknowledging he's a long shot

Shoot the basterd...right?

[kenfrequed]

311. Hyperbole much?

Seriously, I don't know what combination of hyperbole and strawman you seem to want to construct but knock it off.

No one is buying it.

The reasons I support Sanders is that his policy is superior in every possible category to Clinton.

And my observations about MM are completely on point in this case. If you disagree, simply say so. Trying to paint my arguments only reveals the emptiness of your own.

[Sheepshank]

314. You talk to me about hyperbole while this whole fucking pile on is in play?

You have a nerve. You seriously need to step back.

[kenfrequed]

319. Uh yeah

Do you know what a straw man is?

Do you know the definition of hyperbole?


I am sorry, but I do not "back down" from statements directed at me that suggest.... what were your words? "shoot the bastard?" That is what you implied someone (me) being critical of MM's position is in favor of.

I feel very sad that you would stoop to such things. I feel more sad that you accuse me of "having a nerve" after you made that implication.

[Sheepshank]

325. You support everything that is going on on this thread?

And you don't see the execution of a decent person's character?

You really think MM deserves this type of pile on?

If you said "yes" to any of the above, then you and your ilk are everything I have stated.

There is non so blind........

[beam me up scottie]

261. Yep, they started this months ago. Link to the first one to pull this stunt

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026797259

Which sounds perfectly righteous to people who don't know she never supported Bernie:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11071699

[SonderWoman]

3. Why should any Hillary supporter in their right mind support Sanders

In the GE after the absolute horrific ways Sanders base has treated Hillary and her supporters? Its obvious with the obscene language they use that they have no intent on voting for her, so why should her supporters vote for him? For a group that chants "we stand together", they sure seem willing to not stand together once their candidate is possibly bumped.

[aggiesal]

9. Consider the alternative n/t

[SonderWoman]

22. Right, but I've seen on DU Hillary supporters who use that same scenario

Get met with "your fear doesn't work, I'm not voting for her".

[aggiesal]

93. And it's a legitimate scenario ...

We really don't have a choice.

I #FeelTheBern, but if Hillary gets the nomination, you honestly
think I'd ever consider any of the clowns falling out the GOP
circus car?

This is just passion.
In the end, we'll be voting for whomever the Democratic nominee is.

And if you don't, ..., well, ..., you get what you deserve.
Which could be a Walker or Bush III.

Do we really want that?

[artislife]

130. Vote the way you need to.

in 2 days 15,000+28,000.
Today, LA

[SonderWoman]

154. That's the right attitude.

[cali]

67. wow. that is as false as it gets. Sanders has been respectful to her to the max

Article after article has been written about his refusal to dump on her even when baited to do so. And your behavior regarding Sanders and his supporters has been reprehensible.

You seem not to have even a passing acquaintance with the truth. Shame on you for the false claim about how Sanders has treated HRC.

[SonderWoman]

84. But this op is about supporters, not Sanders.

I'm just not understanding how Bernie supporters think that constantly attacking Clinton and her supporters is going to lead to unity. Bernie can't win without Hillary supporters, but Hillary could probably win without Bernie supporters. It's obvious most of them won't vote for Hillary in the GE so why should HRC supporters vote for him?

[arcane1]

88. Who is so stupid they would let anonymous DUers decide their candidate for them?

Seriously, that is stupid on a monumental scale.

[SonderWoman]

94. I don't get it, do you believe this is contained to DU?

This intra-party war is spread across the internet, numerous articles have been written, and even mainstream media coverage.

[arcane1]

100. DU is the only place I've seen the "Supporters made me change my mind" lie, yes n/t

[frylock]

262. links?

[SMC22307]

345. "Who is so stupid they would let anonymous online posters decide their candidate for them?"

Seriously, WHO is that stupid and frivolous about their vote? No one I know.

[AgingAmerican]

133. It is and nobody is falling for it.

[awoke_in_2003]

402. It seems

there are a lot of stupid people

[AgingAmerican]

131. "Constantly attacking Clinton and her supporters"

Says a person who is constantly attacking Sanders and his supporters.

[SonderWoman]

140. Absurd assertion.

Perhaps self-delete your ridiculous smear. I'm engaging in conversation, or would you prefer an echo chamber?

[AgingAmerican]

143. You are being highly hypocritical

Stop attacking Sanders and his supporters

[SonderWoman]

149. Stop trying to silence me.

I'm not "attacking" anyone. I am a Bernie supporter, I'm also a Hillary supporter, I would even happily vote for O'Malley. I'm just wondering what the strategy is to unite the party after some will have spent months calling Hillary a "homicidal zombie". My only point was why would any HRC supporter feel enthused about helping Bernie after the primaries when his supporters spent months trying to take down the others own preferred candidate so viciously. Its one thing to prop up your preferred candidate, its another to tear the others down.

[AgingAmerican]

161. Bullogna

Your short posting history tells a different tale

[beam me up scottie]

264. My candidate was called a racist, a draft dodger and a liar by HC supporters.

No one is trying to silence Hillary supporters, we're just tired of the hypocrisy from the ones who repeatedly attack Bernie and cry foul when the tables are turned.

[merrily]

357. +1

[SMC22307]

346. Bow down, AgingAmerican, delete that post!

[cascadiance]

214. Most supporters broadly support what BLM was set up for...

... and support a democratic process to decide who represents this party, and the people by doing so.

Now, if you are going to judge all Bernie Sanders supporters by the actions of a few, who you don't even clarify what their problematic behavior is, can't you see how that is just as some who wish to judge all of BLM members by a few that basically are in effect calling all white people "white supremacists" by calling Bernie's followers that. I don't think you want that. And I think most Bernie Sanders supporters like me are wanting to believe that most BLM supporters are truly about supporting a movement that we are all behind and needs our support as well as theirs. We're holding off judging the whole movement and don't want to judge them all based on the CHILDISH actions of a few that claim to represent them. I'm just hoping that others from BLM have the wisdom and sense of leadership to express again what the true goals of the BLM movement is, and that straying from that in to personal attacks on those who might otherwise support them are actions that they can't support or endorse for the whole movement.

The day that happens, many of us all will feel a lot more comfortable siding with those that we still believe want to work with us, but perhaps don't have a voice speaking for them yet. The longer that takes, the harder it is for many to speak in support of BLM in general, even if we want heavily to do so. Instead the more immediate reaction has been that some try to shut down those that are trying to offer that sort of leadership, like that person that offered an apology to try to put a better face on the movement who actually should have been praised, even if he/she was acknowledged not to be an official "voice" of the movement, with an acknowledgement that he/she actually spoke for so many that supported his/her actions. That would have shown to me a movement that's trying to take the right path, even if some of those that are claiming to be a part of it are trying to diverge that path in to destructive territory. It would tell me that there are hopefully those that will seek to have more power over its direction to not let it diverge in those ways. I and many supporting Bernie I think would be happy to move forward with actions like that.

[cyberswede]

221. What?

...Hillary could probably win without Bernie supporters.

Can you provide a reference for this?

It's obvious most of them won't vote for Hillary in the GE so why should HRC supporters vote for him?

Preposterous. Can you provide a link that supports your assertion that most Bernie supporters won't vote for Hillary in the general?

...and I won't even address the childish second half of your statement above.

[Android3.14]

97. Why do you support TPP, Citizens United, the Iraq War and the 1%?

<eom>

[artislife]

132. Because brown lives don't matter.

[Android3.14]

172. Apparently Cajun lives are also worthless

And don't even mention Native Americans. There's only room for one race on the list.

[George II]

176. Here we go wtih the red herring, inane questions!

As idiotic as me asking you "why do you hate women?"

[Android3.14]

184. Misuse of the word, "Red Herring"

"something, especially a clue, that is or is intended to be misleading or distracting."

What you actually see me use in my post is an example of "begging the question", not a red herring. My question snarkily operates on the assumption that the conclusion is an affirmative.

A red herring would have been something along the lines of "Look over there. Hillary Rodham Clinton is beating an unemployed American with a copy of the Walmart employee manual!"

And my question would be idiotic, except that, because the OP would never actually support those things, it illustrates the disheartening fact that HRC is bought and paid for by Wall Street, supports the TPP, voted for the PATRIOT ACT, barely mouths support for a minimum wage increase (though nothing substantial or substantive), supports the XL Pipeline, and in general is just barely better than Jeb Bush.

By using the rhetorical device of "begging the question" I show that the poster's support of HRC is misguided at best for the simple reason that her voting record, previous statements, and current vague plans show that she represents wealthy people's interests rather than Democratic interests.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

116. "Why should any Hillary supporter in their right mind support Sanders"

Read the same thing from Hillary supporters about Obama in '08.

Now some of them are his strongest defenders.

Their attitude now is they showed their loyalty to the winner and now it's HILLARY'S TURN. (and theirs)

[JustAnotherGen]

117. Because they are Democratic Party members - that's why

I'm an O'Malley supporter - for now via funds - and in the near future on the street and on the phones.

If he's not the nominee - I have no doubt it will be either Clinton or Sanders and I would vote for either one.

I do not believe Webb or Chafee have a chance in hell.

So yep - doesn't matter how people behave at DU or on Twitter - Sanders would get my vote if he wins the nomination.

[SonderWoman]

127. I agree, but many say they will not vote for her in GE.

So if Bernie wins why should HRC supporters vote for Bernie? Even though I've never seen HRC supporters say they wouldn't vote for him but I have seen Bernie supporters say they won't vote for her.

[JustAnotherGen]

147. Because there is too much at stake

We need the power of the Veto pen.

Regardless of how his supporters at DU behave - we - can't risk it in the hands of any of those people running on the right.

I just read that Kasich doesn't really believe in climate change? He was the only one at this point who isn't tainted by ignorance, stupidity, or a bad family name-

And he's THAT much of an idiot? God help us.

We have to stop those people NOW!

[SonderWoman]

152. Again, I agree, but

When others point out how much is at stake this election, Bernie supporters usually respond with "fear doesn't work on me, I won't vote for lesser of 2 evils".

[JustAnotherGen]

163. Then that's on them

Me - I'm better than that.

[cali]

193. bull. it's a handful. poll after poll here demonstrates that.

[merrily]

342. Don't you know, all Sanders supporters are exactly alike and may, nay, shall, be treated as a

monolith. Not only that but any Hillary supporter may demand of any Bernie supporter to answer for any post made by any other Bernie supporter. That has happened to me quite a number of times and I've never even seen some of the posts I'm supposed to...what? Feel shame for? Apologize for? I don't even know what I'm supposed to do about them.

[AgingAmerican]

119. Rediculous

Sanders base....that's a good one.

Sanders is the better candidate, period. That's why Hillary supporters are leaving her in droves.

[SonderWoman]

138. Here's the point you are missing:

That's YOUR opinion. And your opinion is not backed up by facts:

[George II]

162. They've both settled into their grooves

.......Clinton mid 50s, Sanders mid teens. Neither has budged an inch in more than a month.

[AgingAmerican]

164. 7 months out from the first primary

He is gaining every week about 2%

[SonderWoman]

189. Yet you said they were flocking in droves.

[AgingAmerican]

191. Yes

About 2% per week. And she is losing about the same. Only about 25 weeks to go until the first primary.

[LWolf]

128. I'm part of Sander's base.

I've treated no HRC supporter, nor any other human being, in "horrific ways."

I've used no obscene language.

Thanks for the broad brush.

[SonderWoman]

144. We all are.

I believe everyone here would vote for Bernie. That is not the issue.

[Dragonfli]

341. Well it is a PUMA tradition to pout when she loses and vote Republican

I see the tradition is considered still a valid one.

[demmiblue]

6. Quelle surprise!

[Doctor_J]

51. right?

As if any corpodems actually supported Bernie, ever. We'll try to get along.

[restorefreedom]

7. good thing hillary supports

all those causes that affect poc...like income inequality, health care, minimum wage, fair policing, all the aspects of systemic racism that keep people down....


oh, wait.....never mind

[Matt_in_STL]

12. As a lurker...

This is what I don't understand. I see questions regarding what Hillary actually stands for in regards to the issues brought forth by BLM and I don't ever see anyone answer them, just accusations that Sanders supporters are trying to bring her down. I'd love to see her true position and solutions and her explanations on some of her past stances ("All live matter", hoodie comments, 2008 South Carolina, support of the "justice reform" from Bill's presidency, etc) but she really gets a pass on this.

I don't feel as though I have anything to typically add to the conversation, thus my lurking. And as a lurker, I tend to listen rather than react. I wish the Hillary supporters would bring something worth listening to on this topic.

[restorefreedom]

18. glad you decided to unlurk

this is unfortunately what hillary does. she evades and dances and throws out a lot of ideas and applause lines, but very little substance. but when we ask for details or criticize the fact that there is nothing specific, we are hillary haters. it is a no win situation.

great comment, please unlurk more often!

[Duckhunter935]

107. Exactly

[Doctor_J]

54. Hillary and her supporters offer nothing but platitudes and apologies for her

(recent) past mistakes.

[BlueMTexpat]

76. People who are truly interested in Hillary's stands -

rather than taking quick pot-shots - can find some stands listed on her campaign website. See, e.g., the "Four Fights" where she addresses the same issues as does Bernie Sanders. https://www.hillaryclinton.com/the-four-fights/economy-of-tomorrow/

Insofar as BLM issues are concerned, check this out: http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/hillary-clinton-yes-black-lives-matter

Hillary has a very long track record of actually working on the ground with civil rights issues, not simply in giving speeches. She specifically opted to work for change within the system, which is always much more difficult to do than flame-throwing and revolutionary rhetoric. At Wellesley, she organized a two-day student strike and worked with Wellesley's black students to recruit more black students and faculty. While she leaned Republican - back when there were actually some decent GOPers, e.g., John Lindsay, Nelson Rockefeller - she broke with the GOP for good over "veiled racist messages" at its 1968 Convention.

In the summer of 1970 she was awarded a grant to work at Marian Wright Edelman's Washington Research Project, where she was assigned to Senator Walter Mondale's Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. There she researched migrant workers' problems in housing, sanitation, health and education. Edelman later became a significant mentor. See Marion Wright Edelman: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marian_Wright_Edelman

Full disclosure: I was a student of Ms Edelman's husband Peter at Georgetown Law in the 80s. [Law was a third career for me.]

The list of Hillary's accomplishments - not simply the offices that she was elected or appointed to - goes on and on. And on. That is why I am one of her staunch - and proud - supporters. She will be an excellent President.

Too many here wish only to detract from her long and effective humanitarian and civil rights record or to leave impressions which have scant relationship to the truth of who and what Hillary is.

[Android3.14]

99. Sorry kid, that's a lousy source

It's like going to a restaurants website to find out if the food is any good.

As far as her accomplishments, when you are that rich you can buy accomplishments.

When has she provided leadership on any progressive movement? Never.

[BlueMTexpat]

383. Interesting that you dismiss Hillary -

and by association, me - so quickly. Hmm.

The accomplishments that I mentioned in Hillary's life - where she was actually working with one of the greatest living African-American women on race and civil rights issues WAY before such were thought of as "progressive" - happened WAY before she met Bill and certainly WAY before either of them "got rich."

She's been pretty damn consistently liberal, but she also knows and works with the very people who need help on an ongoing basis. She doesn't have to introduce herself. They know her and they appreciate her. Your statement that she hasn't provided leadership is just not true.

In some circles, the thinking is that her marriage to Bill may actually have repressed her liberal leanings. Her Wellesley classmates already thought of her as potentially the first woman US President in the late 1960s. In the 1960s, US undergraduate colleges were on a par with graduate institutions today. I speak from experience from those years - and also as someone who has just recently (six weeks ago) taught undergrads.

I got a kick out of your "kid" reference though, LOL. I am 70+. When I attended law school in the 80s, I was in my 40s and beginning a third professional career. There were enough women at GULC who were like me that we actually founded a group called "Women in Law as a Second Career" (notwithstanding the fact that it was my third) and most of us still contribute to a scholarship fund set aside for that specific purpose.

[840high]

102. They have nothing worthwhile to add.

[ibegurpard]

8. OK

[Supersedeas]

415. Identity politics resonates -- not only with individual candidates with also toward the groups that

support that candidate. And the backlash by Sander's supporters against BLM activists will probably be noted by lots who find racism at the base of those reactions.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

10. Everything is continuing apace, in other words. Golly, what a shocker. nt

[Facility Inspector]

11. guy from Internets sez . . .

this is of utmost importance, shouldn't you draft a press release and send it major media outlets?

[jonno99]

246. Chuckles - you minded me of one of my favs...

[hollysmom]

13. If your vote gets changed by the actions of the supporters and not the action of the person -

I think that is a mistake.
It is like voting because of negative ads, where who ever spends the most money wins.

decades ago the republicans ran ads against FDR saying that he was supported by communists. His reply was he doesn't care who supports him,they are not him,. he was not a communist, but people who were were free to support him as were anyone else.

[QC]

14. Quelle surprise. n/t

[NCTraveler]

15. Please keep an open mind with O'Malley. We could really use the support of someone like yourself.

You would immediately make a difference. You do more than most individuals. You would be a great asset for him. You will be for Hillary as well. Please, open mind. You have proven to have one so I know I don't really need to ask. Just throwing it out there. It wouldn't hurt Hillary, who you and I both have respect for.

[ibegurpard]

20. I suggest you read up on this particular poster

[NCTraveler]

40. I am very well aware of this posters history.

I have conversed and debated with them on this board many times. Always in a fair manner. Always. I would love to have them in the O'Malley camp.

I do understand the issue some have with their past history. I'm more about today and feel they have a solid track record here on du for years and years. I also know they don't give a shit about my thoughts on that. Probably another reason I like them.

[jeff47]

42. Why on Earth do you think you'd actually get support?

MM's shtick is to lecture. Not support. And if insufficient accolades come, he'll change his position again.

[NCTraveler]

68. MM is provably active in the party.

That's why.

[jeff47]

74. And is why he's always going to support the "party" candidate.

Which is not O'Malley.

[NCTraveler]

77. My request was fair and on point.

I do see your position and don't think I could make a reasoned argument against it. I'm still going to ask for an open mind. It took fifteen seconds to write my respectful post asking for an open mind for O'Malley.

[aikoaiko]

16. Lol. I was wondering when you were going to so this.

I'm glad you've come out as you truly are.

[seveneyes]

17. The bravery of being fickle

is overrated.

[leveymg]

89. And, why are your frequent political mood swings supposed to influence us this time, MM? n/t

[TDale313]

19. ...

I'm shocked, shocked I tell you.

[cyberswede]

24. Ridiculous.

Basing support for a candidate on some loudmouths on the internet? That seems shallow.

Despite what some people believe, the BLM attention has gotten the Sanders campaign to be more clear in support of issues of importance to POC. That's a good thing.

[Capt. Obvious]

25. LOL

[sabrina 1]

26. It's always good to see someone finally come around to taking an interest in this

decades old tragedy of police brutality and murder against primarily AAs.

We welcome you to this most important fight. Though it is reprehensible for ANYONE and we see it in every election cycle, to try to USE it for political purposes, then forget it AFTER the election.

Have you attended any of the Ferguson protests over the past year, or helped them by spreading the word as to where they will take place?

I hope you will join us in pressuring the DOJ to step in and start protecting AAs from our Civilian Police now that you are aware of this most important issue.

There have been several actions over the past year demanding this from our Government who have done nothing over the decades to protect the victims of this awful racism within our so-called Civilian Police Depts.

Total reform is needed which will take the efforts of all Americans. Not just campaign rhetoric, which is old and has done not a single thing so far. However if it gets some attention, no matter if it's only for political purposes, for the issue, we can certainly use that attention at least until the interest dies, as it always does, after the election.

Welcome to this decades old struggle.

[tblue]

28. The protester is a Sarah Palin Tea Bagger!

Why you taking this out on Senator Sanders?

http://reverbpress.com/politics/black-lives-matter-seattle-protestor-is-a-former-tea-party-palin-fan/

[DanTex]

34. Former. You left that out because?

[jeff47]

45. "Palin 2016" != former. (nt)

[DanTex]

48. The link from the post I responded to said "former". Do you have a link saying she is still

a Palin supporter?

[jeff47]

52. She has multiple recent facebook posts pushing for a 2016 run for Palin.

The only "former" aspect is she is no longer wearing a Palin pin on her backpack.

[DanTex]

53. Is there a link anywhere that implies she is anything but a former Palin supporter?

Because, if not, then omitting the word "former" is intentionally misleading.

[jeff47]

57. Guess I'll just copy-n-paste my last post until you read it...

She has multiple recent facebook posts pushing for a 2016 run for Palin.

The only "former" aspect is she is no longer wearing a Palin pin on her backpack.

Or are her own words insufficient proof?

[DanTex]

59. So no link then. Thanks.

[Comrade Grumpy]

64. You should learn about Facebook and then check out her page.

I'm not gonna do it for you. I think you need to learn this by yourself.

[DanTex]

65. Strange that nobody can provide a link.

[Ed Suspicious]

122. Nobody cares to. It's there. Go get it.

[DanTex]

150. This makes you the third person to fail to find and provide a link. Who's next?

[Ed Suspicious]

165. Fer fuck sake. Google is your friend.

https://reverbpress.com/politics/black-lives-matter-seattle-protestor-is-a-former-tea-party-palin-fan/

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=blm+sarah+palin

[DanTex]

169. Thank you, it says a "former" Palin supporter (in high school), which was exactly my point.

[LiberalLovinLug]

220. Oh thank gawd she's only a "former" Palin supporter

You can breathe easy now. She flipped her allegiance just in time.

Does not this fact cause you ANY concern? Especially her FB quote ""GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side" made only LAST MONTH. Do you really trust someone that can so easily be bought and sold to the highest bidder?

Somewhere KKKarl Rove is laughing. I'm sure even he didn't think this would work so well.

[DanTex]

222. Well, if the BLM-bashers would stick to facts and say "former Palin supporter (in high school)"

the we could have avoided this whole thread. I happen to think that instead of digging dirt about what BLM activists were doing in high school, it would serve Bernie better if his supporters had a more positive or at least neutral approach. But it's not up to me.

[LiberalLovinLug]

234. So you want to completely ignore the other quote?

That LAST MONTH she was up for sale to the highest bidder and hoping it was the GOP?

Therein lies the connection with her earlier, HIGH SCHOOL, Palin support. A leopard quite obviously does not change spots.

And that's rich, calling for Bernie supporters to be more "positive" and "neutral" after that deliberate negative, unfair attack that this woman and her cohorts did to Bernie. And just calling her out on it....THAT'S what is over the line? Not to mention accusing everyone that sees through this obvious stunt is a "BLM-basher"

[DanTex]

236. What are you talking about? She said "back then" not last month.

Also, it was a joke. More to the point, this whole game of digging through facebook to try and smear BLM activists with offhand comments and things they did in high school is just pathetic.

It really seems like some white progressives are determined to not listen to the BLM movement at all costs.

[AgingAmerican]

267. The BLM movement is doing more harm to themselves than to any 'white progressives'

Their actions are...perplexing...at best.

As for Marissa, her words are those of a very, very confused woman:
The hostile and obnoxious Johnson accused the audience of “white supremacist liberalism” before telling the Seattle crowd:
"I was going to tell Bernie how racist this city is — with all of its progressives — but you’ve already done that for me. Thank you."

Her true clueless ignorance showed on her next statement: "If you care about Black Lives Matter, as you say you do, you will hold Bernie Sanders specifically accountable for his actions."

What actions must Sanders be held accountable for? Please, do tell...

[DanTex]

270. Well, seems to me that Bernie just rolled out a new racial justice plan.

So it's reaching someone.

[TheFarS1de]

343. Um ...

You honestly think that he threw that together between the "protest" and now ? I think this was being thought of and worked on prior to events at Seattle .

[LiberalLovinLug]

398. What are you talking about?

You don't believe me?

Marissa Jenae: GOP shoulda groomed me right then...now they gotta see me on the other side *shrugs*
· July 19 at 11:40pm

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10207319053157888&set=p.10207319053157888&type=1&pnref=story


You think that is a funny joke? To me it sounds like a bitter person that has loyalty to whomever will give her attention. And that the GOP were her first choice, but since they passed on her, she latched onto BLM because it was the next best thing to garner her a place of leadership and attention.

Furthermore, because of her past leanings and that quote, I wouldn't doubt that the GOP's dirty tricks team actually DID find her and propose this disruption idea to her. That makes much more sense than thinking this act would help BLM at all....attacking the one candidate that would help the lot of Black America the most.

[DanTex]

399. Key word being "then". And yes, it's obviously a joke.

She grew up with tea party parents, and she's jokingly saying that the GOP missed their chance, and now she's a left-wing activist.

Seriously, the amount of insane (and idiotic) hatred that this girl is getting, digging through face book to intentionally misinterpret statements aand turn them into smears, all because she dared to take the mike in front of Saint Bernie, I wouldn't have guessed white progressives would stoop this low. And I say this as a white progressive.

[LiberalLovinLug]

406. ha ha ha ha ha ha

Oh I get it now! You're right, that is FUNNY!

not


seriously, why would she even say that if there were not some shred of truth, or think it would be funny? No one goaded her into making that "joke". For instance no one said "Gee, with your fighting spirit, good thing you are on OUR side!" which a reply like that may have made more sense as a joke. But just to voluntarily throw that out there? At best, it sounds like it is coming from a very cynical bitter soul.

Also she sounds like a real Bible thumper on top of it. That usually does not bode well for any progressive credentials.

It is outlandish that any true progressive, who wants ALL lives to matter (yes I said it) no matter what your race, sexual orientation, or where you came from, would side with someone so deluded by irrational hatred and xenophobia that she would accuse anyone white and liberal in the Washington area as all being "liberal white supremacists" (which is the ultimate oxymoron). To shit all over the largest group of allies you have (liberal Americans who are, by demographics, obviously mostly Caucasian) which includes Bernie Sanders, is not only rude, misguided, but stupid beyond belief, as she is only tarnishing BLM. .....or she WAS approached by Republicans and was paid to disrupt and help push in the wedge between the black community and the best candidate they could ever dream of to advance the rights and protection of black American lives.

[DanTex]

407. LOL. A "not joke"! You go on and preach about what's funny. Obviously you're qualified.

[LiberalLovinLug]

410. Thanks for the laugh! I love Ali G

That clip is such a great example to eliminate all argument as to where her loyalties lie.













.....Not.

[1StrongBlackMan]

139. I suspect that's because they are merely repeating what they heard someone else say they found.

[TransitJohn]

332. Pretty petulant, willful obstinance.

Kudos for being that, I guess.

[QC]

63. C'mon, dude. 2016 was a long, long time ago. n/t

[Divernan]

186. Doozy! Thanks for the good laugh!

[QC]

190. Seriously, a lot could have changed since way back then! n/t

[MelissaB]

29. I won't pretend to be shocked.

[brewens]

32. Yeah well, watch out for that door. I'd say if BLM people want questions answered, learn to

STFU and pay attention to what they have to say! It will be interesting to see what sort of treatment BLM gives Hillary if any. I'll predict they make their little appearance and raise a little hell, then step aside and let her speak rather than mindlessly screeching at her and shutting her down.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

33. If that's what you want to do...

I generally prefer not to choose or reject a candidate on the basis of the behavior of some his/her supporters, especially in the early, rather disorganized days of a campaign. Bernie's campaign is just getting started, and it got a whole lot bigger much sooner than anyone expected. Who are or become his supporters is very likely to change and grow in the coming months. In any event, my support for any candidate will be based on the positions of the candidate, who is who he is and not who a few loudmouth Internet scribes seem to be. I have been holding off, watching to see what develops, but I'm leaning more and more toward Bernie. The notion that minority voters won't support him is, I think, very premature. But hey, if it's Hillary (D-Goldman-Sachs) for you, that's your decision.

[hollowdweller]

35. Wouldn't it be better to switch support to the republicans?

I mean the GOP and BLM is pretty much saying the same thing. That liberals have taken black votes for granted and that they are really the party that will help black America.

The mass incarceration of black people was greatly boosted by some of the anti crime laws Bill Clinton passed.

Then for sure under Obama it seems that black people getting killed by police have skyrocketed.

They obviously think it's liberals that bear the brunt and are picking on the biggest liberal so maybe they should switch to the GOP???

[TM99]

36. So you are going with the one candidate

who has stated that 'All Lives Matter' and has not apologized or owned that?

Sanders and O'Malley offer clear policies that cover both social and economic justice but you are going with the candidate who is tepid on social liberalism after it is safe to do so and is a neo-liberal in her economic stances - in other words, forget economic justice.

What a game player you are.

[mmonk]

37. By all means, do what you want to do.

[Roy Ellefson]

39. opposite conclusion

funny...I've come to the opposite conclusion.

[Puglover]

41. I am on the phone to KARE

RIGHT NOW!!!

After I give them the scoop I'll advise KSTP and WCCO!

[progressoid]

56. Thank you.

This is breaking news!11!

[Zorra]

43. Seriously? You're gonna support Hillary? Everyone is shocked, amazed,

OMG, we're stunned right off our perches like a Norwegian Blue in a sleazy London pawn shop.

Clue: Most progressives here knew with absolute certainty you'd be supporting Clinton long before she even announced.

True story.

[cali]

50. lol. obvious is obvious. or with "supporters" like the op, Sanders doesn't need opponents.

[tularetom]

44. Wow! Most pompous post of the day!

So some people who back Senator Sanders were mean to you but you never say what they did.

How about explaining what these "certain actions by supporters of Senator Sanders" actually were, so the rest of us can also be outraged by the egregiousness of these dastardly people?

[cali]

55. I know, right? pompous being the key word. the op is really quite funny. I'm enjoying

the Hell out of this little spectacle. I predicted this months ago- not that that took much.

[stranger81]

375. To be fair, there's some pretty stiff competition for "most pompous post of the day."

It's so hard to choose.

[cali]

47. the evidence doesn't support your claim that your support of Sanders was genuine.

You posted nasty ops mocking him. You posted op after op in.praise of Clinton- not that there's anything wrong.with.the latter. You never defended him from even the most egregious and ugly lies and attacks.

Oh, and your nasty personal comments about HRC on far right republicans sites in 2008? At least you've moved on from that, but I've read a lot of your posts from those many years. I know what you said over and over about dems.

[demmiblue]

60. Don't forget his disparaging remarks about black women back then.

I do believe people can change, but not all people.

Some are skilled at subterfuge, that is for sure.

[cali]

62. yep. hard to trust after that kind of long term nastiness.

Why would anyone do.that for years? Oh, and no evidence at all that those comments weren't sincere.

[jeff47]

49. Considering you were pushing for Clinton votes until about 2 months ago

under your "we gotta vote for the nominee" persona, this is a complete and utter surprise.

I better go find out if water is dry. Though I'm not sure I can handle two such major shocks in one day.

[Javaman]

58. hit and run post.

noted.

[demmiblue]

70. Oh, he will be back... he lives for this shite. n/t

[Javaman]

71. yeah, he kinda does. nt

[n8dogg83]

61. If your post is truly genuine, then i am sorry that you feel that way....

and I hope that down the road, you might change your mind about supporting Bernie. I think the BlackLivesMatter disruption has cause a lot of strong emotions in everyone and I would imagine some people have said things they now regret (some maybe not). I feel that the grassroots nature of Bernie's campaign lends itself to the likelihood that some elements of his supporters may say or believe things that don't necessarily reflect the majority of his supporters, similar to how the 'horizontal' structure of the Black Lives Matter movement has disparate elements that I think do not reflect well on the overall movement (see how that works?). I have always looked at Bernie Sanders (and Hillary) as the example of who I support, not their supporters.

[whatchamacallit]

69. Rereading your post... Wow what a mangled wreck it is

His insistence that economic changes will produce the kind of social change that is so much needed no longer can be supported, either.

BS talking point. Neither Bernie nor his supporters claim economic policies are the cause or sole cure for discrimination. He started his campaign with an emphasis on economic justice because it's a big problem for 99% of Americans, and something he's been concerned with his entire career. But don't let that stop you from helping flog that meme across the finish line.

Perhaps he will change that line of thinking, and perhaps not. He appears to be convinced of it. Yes, he has supported civil rights issues throughout his career, but his current campaign focuses too much on economics and not enough on redressing the real and continuing racial inequality in the United States. Both are critically important, and focusing only on one will not result in the changes that are desperately needed.

Huh, guess you haven't been paying attention to the changes he's been making to his platform and campaign. Or maybe you subscribe to the ever handy 'too little, too late' meme as well?

Some will, no doubt, say that I never actually supported Sanders in the first place. They are incorrect. I know my own heart and mind. Nobody else does. So, I will ignore such comments.

No doubt.

Candidates are known by many through the actions of their supporters. That can be very beneficial for the candidate or very harmful.

Another MM fallacy stated as fact. Maybe some confused and impressionable people evaluate candidates on the attitudes of some of their supporters, but most people with critical thinking skills base their evaluation on the candidate's own. Do you believe Hillary was responsible for PUMA?

Certain actions by supporters of Senator Sanders, whose politics in general are well-aligned with my own, have represented the candidate very poorly, and I see no tendency for them to change. Those supporters may well poison his campaign and cause the rejection of a broad base of support by PoC. Without that support, he cannot win the Presidency, and it is crucial that we elect a Democratic President in 2016.

Strange, most of the monolith of racially tone deaf Sanders supporters seem to believe PoC can and will dispassionately sort through the issues and arrive at a conclusion for themselves, without needing to be pandered to. We really shouldn't even be a factor. Bernie will lay out his agenda and people are free to accept it or not.

As of now, I will be supporting Hillary Clinton to become the Democratic nominee for President. I believe she will be the nominee, and think that Bernie Sanders has reached his peak of support by the general Democratic voting public. What a shame! Hillary Clinton has and will continue to have broad support from all segments of our society. That support is absolutely critical. Loss of any sector of support will lead to a Republican as President. The Sanders campaign is too narrow and focused on only part of the change needed. Sanders supporters are making enemies, not friends. That simply will not work, and I will not support it.

It's your panicked wish that Bernie has peaked, the sold-out arenas tell another story. Funny you say "what a shame" as you wave goodbye in your rearview mirror.

[Martin Eden]

283. +1 Spot On!

I was going to write a reply to the OP, but you did a much better job pointing out the factual errors and logical fallacies.

Miner Man should be embarrassed, but I doubt he'll admit to anyone (including himself) how misguided and just plain wrong he was/is.

[djean111]

72. Well, that's one less series of "I am a Bernie Sanders supporter - BUT" to ignore.

Oh, and quelle surprise, indeed!

[glinda]

73. Mineral Man. As a fellow Minnesotan I say

this is still somewhat of a free Country.
I appreciate your help to the Dem causes and even though I see too many inconsistencies and proof in record that Hillary is NOT what I want in regards to Climate Change, Trade, inequality, etc.....like many I would vote for the dem selected.
Keep your mind open because a closed mind serves no good for this Country and the Planet. Just saying.....

[Ichingcarpenter]

75. LOL......... yeah OK...

Never bought your swaddle anyway.






And no one believed you when you said you were a Sanders supporter either.

[MADem]

81. Wow, that's a pretty rude post--hypocrite, lies, never bought your swaddle?

That's how you talk to a fellow DUer? One who has been a member for years?

smh.

[ibegurpard]

85. a member of another site?

Yeah guess you missed that...

[MADem]

103. Obviously, you're trying to trash the OP for his admitted participation at Free Republic--is that

what your oblique subject line is about?

I seem to remember a very long and heartfelt essay by MM on that topic. I'm sure he could point you to it if you were interested in reading/learning.

Why are you trying to "accuse" the guy of something he has admitted/acknowledged?

Add THAT to your litany of rude comments, then!

[ibegurpard]

108. you're correct

And OPs previous professions of planning to caucus for Sanders was amusing.

[MADem]

207. "Professions WERE...."

I took him at his word.

I didn't think he was being "amusing" at all. I thought he was sincere about his preference.

[ibegurpard]

228. "I took him at his word"

That was your mistake.

[MADem]

229. No, it wasn't. He's very transparent. Unlike some. nt

[Ed Suspicious]

125. Spot on.

[zazen]

79. APA: 3 women (all races) murdered each day in US by intimate partners. Where's your outrage?

More women are gunned down by their partners each day than people are by police.

Where's our outrage? Is it because these victims asked for it? Is it more just because they once trusted their abusers? Were they supposed to stop him? People, most POC, gunned down or likely murdered in jail (like Sandra Bland) are seen to be victims because they don't know their perpetrators. Are our dying women not victims also?

A man, who happens to be African American, murdered his partner and children in Houston over the weekend. The press described them as having a "history of conflict." No. He had a history of abuse and she tried to get help. Men of all races do this. Where is the outrage? Where is the movement in the streets?

Why am I not jumping on every stage in the US screaming for this to be addressed?

I hope you'll take some time to reconsider your position and in fact pull your post.

It is outrageous than the most successful movement in a century in demanding economic injustice--which is desperately needed in an era of certain increases in resource scarcity--must pass a litmus test of giving more time to another area of gross injustice.

The "austerity" of neoliberalism is a cover for ethnic cleansing, and it's taking its largest toll on poor communities. Without radical reform, it will get much, much worse.

This is like women being told we always had to take a backseat to abolition and civil rights, from the early 19th century until even 2007-8, on this board, where I was told racism was more important than sexism (I can look up the link). Women's rights activists believed we could work for both. White and black women didn't get the vote until years after uneducated Black men and still today Black women are silenced from getting help when they're abused in their community for fear of seeming to undermine Black men (witness what just happened in Houston). It's a perennial issue with battered women. Where is _their_ help?

I believe we can work for all of this now. I'm a radical feminist and am willing to support movements for economic justice even though no one is up there screaming about the women being murdered every day by intimate partners.

Maybe you can reconsider your position too. With respect,

[arcane1]

80. Cool story n/t

[Kablooie]

83. Lion lives matter too. You have to grant that.

But I get the point that Black Lives Matter is a statement with needed emphasis while All Lives Matter is just a bland, platitude that obscures the meaning of the other phrase and candidates and their supporters need to realize this.

[Cosmic Kitten]

86. HA HA... Sanders "supporter"

A quick check of those who K&Red the...
K&R if you're prouder than ever to be on Team Bernie!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251499623

Hmmm no REC from Mineral Man?

326 other DUers did Rec though!


Considering the Team Bernie thread was
pre-BLMgate, can we assume MM wasn't
proud of Bernie even then???

[Puglover]

98. Just have a look

at his rec list. The first two pages are illustrative of just how much of a steaming pile of "look at me" this OP is.

[m-lekktor]

129. yep I did exactly that awhile back when he first proclaimed his Bernie support.

and it was obvious from that rec list who he actually supported and didn't support.

[840high]

105. heehee

[dvduval]

91. Division no good

Even Bernie speaks highly of Hillary Clinton. He may have his differences but he recognizes some great things she has done. I would like to think Hillary is also very supportive of Bernie. Just because we disagree doesn't mean we can't be supportive of each other as we all work together to take this country back from a handful of billionaires.

[artislife]

92. Vote the way you need to. nt

[BainsBane]

95. Righteous!

Not so much for supporting Clinton because that isn't really the issue. It's standing up to these attacks on Black Lives Matter. The idea that so-called progressives expect deference, expect black people to keep quiet while people are being slaughtered, is entirely unacceptable.

When I chose to support Clinton, I did so in opposition to precisely this attitude, something that has manifested itself in a range of issues. Truth be told I don't care much about one politician vs. another. I see problems in America as systemic and not manifested through individual members of the political elite. But I will not stand with people who imagine their own comfort and privilege trumps racial equality and human life.

[whatchamacallit]

104. A cornucopia of nonsense framing

[BainsBane]

111. I suggest you use ignore

Since you find so inexplicable the idea that anyone would have a world view that doesn't place the white bourgeoisie above the rest of humanity. The ideas aren't at all complicated, but they fail to affirm the politics of entitlement and narcissism.

[whatchamacallit]

124. Right, more lectures and guilting provided by another

exempt-by-virtue-of-being-a-Hillary-supporter non-supremacist white liberal.

[romanic]

181. Word salad.

[GoneOffShore]

374. Personally I like my word salad with blue cheese dressing and garlic croutons.

And a side of schadenfreude.

[beam me up scottie]

263. First you claimed you switched to HC in February and then again in June:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/11071699

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026797259

You never supported Sanders, this is just another excuse to accuse people you disagree with of not caring about women, poc etc.

This act you guys keep repeating is so transparent it's Hillarious.

[demwing]

96. Nonsense

You've hedged since day 1. The only surprise here is that your "support" lasted as long as it did,

[Android3.14]

106. Weird

Hey MineralMan, are you serious?

[thesquanderer]

109. Every candidate has his/her nutty supporters.

We vote for the candidates, not their supporters.

And if you and other supporters like a candidate for different reasons, who cares? If s/he wins, you both get what you want.

re:

"His insistence that economic changes will produce the kind of social change that is so much needed no longer can be supported, either.

Perhaps he will change that line of thinking, and perhaps not. He appears to be convinced of it. Yes, he has supported civil rights issues throughout his career, but his current campaign focuses too much on economics and not enough on redressing the real and continuing racial inequality in the United States."

see his page at https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/

and on building support among POC in general, also my thread at http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251506958

[Beartracks]

216. "We vote for the candidate, not their supporters." Word.

This is way too important an election to mistake the disdain one feels for the antics and attitudes of a few supporters as disillusionment in a preferred candidate's values, policy ideas, and philosophies.

===================

[Armstead]

110. Awwwww, you ruined my day.

I'm sorry that we all-powerful Sanders supporters have robbed you of your ability to support of the candidate you obviously loved so much.

I'm gonna go and sulk for a while and meditate on how we can more widely use this incredible ability to mold mend minds that we have suddenly acquired.

[Ed Suspicious]

112. I don't think my eyes could roll any harder. I'm glad you finally went home.

Maybe Bernie Sanders can one day win your support in good faith. I question the social intelligence of anyone who buys this crap you're selling.

[magical thyme]

113. you were a Sanders supporter?

why do I have a hard time believing this.

Oh, and as far as his supposed plan to rectify inequality only by economic means, um that was *never* what he was about. And you might try reading his detailed plan to address social injustice that was posted on his website just yesterday.

Here's a link to make it easier for you to find.
https://berniesanders.com/issues/racial-justice/


Racial Justice

We must pursue policies that transform this country into a nation that affirms the value of its people of color. That starts with addressing the four central types of violence waged against black and brown Americans: physical, political, legal and economic.

(followed by overview and then one lengthy and thorough section on each of he 4 types of violence)

[1StrongBlackMan]

114. Have you considered Martin O'Malley? n/t

[jalan48]

115. So, using that logic I could say some BLM people have been rude therefore,

I can no longer support BLM?

[hueymahl]

137. Don't confuse anyone with logic!

Great post!!!

[retrowire]

120. you know who else judges entire groups

based on the actions of a few bad apples?

Racist people. Anti-semites. Sexist people.

Shed yourself of that grouping type of mindset. Not all Sanders supporters are like that.

That said, you should support who you feel is best for you. I can't make that decision for you.

plus... this could be trolling. I've seen this type of stuff on gamefaqs for years. Xbox fans are mean so I'm going Sony for life! Not really logical, kind of childish reasoning honestly.

so if you're being legit then I wish you well. if you're making this up for the lolz, keep it up. you'll be on enough peoples ignore lists soon enough. :/

[AgingAmerican]

123. "Due to actions by supporters of Senator Sanders, I am withdrawing my support for him"

That is the lamest thing I have seen here in a long time. Pathetic, IMHO. You have never supported Sanders and you never hid that fact well.

[MisterP]

126. what a shock! I'm reeling right now!

[Deadshot]

135. I won't change my opinion on this because a sarah Palin supporter decided to disrupt Bernie.

[zentrum]

136. You are really, really missing the point.

Ever hear of "reparations"? You know, that forty acres and a mule that was supposed to help Black Americans after the civil war to give them a chance to get on their feet? The reparations that never happened?

Economic parity is the start of reparations. I'll repeat that. It is the start of reparations.

Without it, the thievery of generations of AA labor will continue.

A white liberal politician can spout all the anti-racist rhetoric their advisors tell them to—and the systemic racism will stay in place because the bedrock of systemic racism is that it protects the power elite. The economic elite.

White politicians have spouted anti-racist rhetoric for years and had token AA's in their cabinet. Has it ever touched systemic racism? No! Never. Never made any difference. Because it doesn't change the pocket book of the black family or elite family.

A focus on anti-racist rhetoric while leaving the economic system in place is just fine with the economic power elite. Bernie is hitting them where they hurt. That's the real start of changing our damn system.

You want a campaign that focuses on the same old tried and true rhetorical pablums that have allowed systemic racism to continue untouched. The power elite will be very happy with a liberal-word-spouting Hillary and her insider advisors.

[Gman]

142. MineralMan, your posts and comments are always objective

and never hyperbolic. For Sanders to lose your support because of his supporters says a lot. I've never known you to be reactionary, or to stir the pot. Sanders supporters here attack. Seems they know nothing else. But anyone else should do a quick search on your comments. They'll see you're objective and if Sanders lost you, that speaks volumes about his supporters.

I'd never associate with their actions either.

[xocet]

146. Deep Cover It Was Not. n/t

[Dragonfli]

339. You can usually spot the plants by the shoes

At least a few decades ago. This one tried to cover his uniform with a small scarf.
I think everyone saw this one for what it was a mile away.

[JEB]

151. And I am switching my support to Bernie Sanders

because Hillary supporters are always straightforward, honest and considerate.
edit to add:
Drive the wedge much?

[George II]

155. Very well stated...thanks for the even-minded explanation. Good luck with your caucus!

[bahrbearian]

156. Why did Bernie lose your support, Is McCain running again?

[George II]

160. What?

Reread the OP and learn how to construct a well thought out, intelligent post without the snideness.

[bahrbearian]

166. Thank You ol' finger-wagger

In case you didn't know MM posted support for McCain at the FR

[SMC22307]

353. Now, now, I'm sure his support was "based on incorrect information." (n/t)

[dragonfly301]

158. Everyone should vote their conscience

Dear MineralMan,

I would love to have Bernie Sanders as my next president and have every intention of voting for him in the primary. When I enter the voting booth it will be just me and my conscience - who do I think will be the best person to lead our country. There will be no zealot fans, no agent provocateurs, no msm talking heads - just me and my conscience. I have followed Bernie for years, never imagining that I would ever get an opportunity to give him my vote. What has impressed me the most is his consistency - he has been an individual who treats people fairly and has done so even before he became a politician - before he asked people for their votes. A quintessential moment for me was back in December of 2010 when Bernie stood for hours on the floor of the senate filibustering a tax cut for the wealthy (transcript http://www.sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/press-releases/full-congressional-record-transcript-of-sanders-filibuster) He believed it was morally wrong and wanted the country to know why. That is the kind of person I want as my president.

I'm sorry you are offended by some of the Sanders supporters. I have been a lurker at both DU and Dkos since I GBCW'd my Dkos account a few years ago. I read a diary there last night about Marissa Johnson being a Palin supporter. I was surprised at how many of the good standing regulars came forward to dismiss the diary because they too had supported republicans - from Reagan to Dole to GWB. One very prominent member admitted that he thought GWB was the better candidate! Ouch! The site that I spent so much time at because I thought they were progressives - no wonder I disagreed with them on so many policies! But this revelation did help me realize that at the end of the day it is just one person in the voting booth - for better or worse - you need to pull the lever for the candidate that you feel best represents your interests. For you it may be Hillary, for me it's Bernie, for some it may be Trump. I'm hoping that in November of 2016 there are more consciences voting for Bernie.

[blue neen]

349. Ah.

A breath of fresh air...

...you gave a respectful reply to the OP about why you support Bernie Sanders, listing some very legit reasons for your support. This is the type of educational info some of us are looking for. You did this without sarcasm, name-calling, belittling, condescension, or attacks on other Democrats.

Thank you for that.

[dragonfly301]

378. Thank you for your kind words :) - eom

[SoapBox]

159. OK then...

First, Bernie has not peaked.

Second, the dirty tricks attacks against this fine man are disgusting.

Third, using those that have been murdered by out of control Police Militias as TOOLS to advance some alternate universe agenda is an absolute disgrace.

When your candidate comes out of her "loaner" private jet and encounters the same treatment as Bernie Sanders has, let's see what happens...of course, it will never happen to her.

Thread trashed.

[Dawgs]

168. LOL!!

[Maedhros]

170. Oh, that is such a crock of bullshit.

I'd laugh, if it wasn't so sad.

[NRaleighLiberal]

171. Why did I look at DU today? The world is going nuts. And the country. And DU.

Back to the garden.

[Babel_17]

173. Well, no hard feelings on your switch

I truly wish you success on getting your input heard by the HRC campaign.

[RufusTFirefly]

175. This comes as a total shock!

Up til now, the only person who rivaled MineralMan in ardent, unconditional, and longstanding support of Bernie Sanders was probably Jane O'Meara Sanders.

This is truly a devastating blow to Sanders' chances.

I am very concerned.

[Skwmom]

179. If candidates are known by the actions of their supporters, I suggest you look at Clinton's big $$$

supporters.

Yes, it is crucial that we elect a Democratic President. That's why I support Sanders who actually represents Democratic values.

[SheilaT]

180. Mineral Man, you

forgot the sarcasm thingy. You really should go back and add it.

[progressoid]

183. K/R just for the responses.

[Bluenorthwest]

187. If I'd judged Barack Obama by some of his homophobic supporters, I'd never have voted for him.

I mean, to be blunt, if I had judged Democratic Underground by the stream of homophobic bullshit that dominated it in the name of The Candidates, I'd not have stayed here.
I had people tell me on DU that LGBT voters had been replaced by 'the faith community' and our opinions were of no further concern. Civil rights were 'a pony you want'.

I would hate to have to go pull quotes from you about, gay people, African Americans and in particular African American Obama voters from your old right wing sites but we could do that. Many people on DU remember all of that.

So this self righteous stinking diaper of a post is really beyond the pale from you of all fucking people on the internet.

[Prism]

202. Co-signed

I was just reading old threads about LGBT hecklers and protests vs President Obama and other Democrats.

Let's just say the 180 degree reversals around here in regards to protesting are interesting. Some of the most hostile voices to the LGBT community are suddenly, "How dare you question protestors!"

I'd say it's unreal if it wasn't so obviously predictable.

[QC]

208. You know, what's funny is how those people who shat on us for years,

who called us poutrageous pony-demanders and likened us to Veruca Salt and dismissed equality as a pet issue and all the other assholery we endured are mostly still here, and they seem to think nobody remembers any of that.

[Puglover]

223. How clueless do you have to be to

KNOW it's out there and post the disingenuous horse shit these people post?

[QC]

225. Maybe not clueless so much as shameless.

Kind of like this thread.

[Prism]

274. What, don't you post in a vacuum?

I've said it before, but it's like watching a great dane trying to hide under a couch. They figure if their head isn't visible, no one can see their ass hanging out.

[QC]

278. It's exactly like that.

Honestly, do these people think that everyone else wakes up in a new world every morning?

[m-lekktor]

271. I can remember when Michele Obama got all pissy with an LGBT heckler.

I should google to see if there was a thread about that. If so I would be curious to read it.

[Prism]

272. Oh, there is

And the names involved in going after the lesbian activist are hilarious given their current views on the subject of protesting.

[Puglover]

289. But but but

Just a few weeks ago I was told THAT was different and besides,

"All that matters is how the room felt about the exchange."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=460641

Seems to me folks wanted to hear Bernie speak. Not listen to a couple of morons sand bagging him.

BUT this is different.

[QC]

291. Lesbian privilege!!!1!11

It took a while to get my eyes unstuck after I saw that one.

[stranger81]

377. Wow.

That was an eye-opener. Could have been a thread from today, just with all the user names and positions reversed.

[QC]

279. Oh yes, there was a lot of discussion of that!

And, not surprisingly, most of those who were outraged about that uppity lesbian's behavior think that Sarah Palin's #1 fan in Seattle is a hero for our times.

It all depends on which candidate benefits from something.

[demmiblue]

284. Don't forget Barack Obama's remarks to a trans woman:

[SunSeeker]

194. K & R

[frylock]

195. ohmygod no i am so shocked

[Sheepshank]

196. The Bernie Brigade swarms...again

belittling the OP, his concerns over BLM with trite one liners and insults and put downs to BLM.

So it is that the confirmations come pouring in, that Bernie cannot lead unless his loudmouthed "supporters" tell us how wonderful Bernie is. Rings extremely hollow.

[ibegurpard]

256. the responses to this OP

Have nothing to do with BLM and everything to do with the OP's author. But you keep whipping that dying horse.

[Sheepshank]

275. it doesn't seemt to matter the topic with the Bernie Brigade

this entire thread is about swarming, belittling, abusing, mocking someone..... for not being in lock step. Fact of the matter is that you have all proven his point for him.

Bernie has a leadership problem and this thread clearly shows where the weakness is located, it's in the nasty bullying of his supporters. You should all be ashamed of yourselves.

This is how you treat a fellow DU'er because he doesn't say the pretty flowery words of obedience?

[ibegurpard]

300. you obviously are unfamiliar with this particular DUer

But by all means continue with your tirade.

[LiberalLovinLug]

403. What absolute sheep shit

[V0ltairesGh0st]

197. If that's how you feel ....

ok, but now i feel you should be on my ignore list .....goodbye MineralMan.

[daredtowork]

201. Too much focus on economics?

Were you ever a supporter of Bernie? I doubt it? Maybe you uttered some token support for a big "change of support posts".

Anyone who believes that there is such a thing as a dichotomy between race and economics was Third Way all along. And, btw, the belief that virtually unrestrained markets work, is a "too narrow" focus on economics.

[Ron Green]

203. TOPS

[elleng]

204. Real mistake, MM,

not to withdraw from Bernie but to neglect Martin O'Malley, who is EVERYTHING we want and need.

Check him out: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1281

[MineralMan]

215. I like O'Malley just fine, but I don't see a path

for him to either get the nomination nor to win in the General Election. Winning in 2016 is essential, for many reasons.

[elleng]

218. Yes, winning is essential, and winning occurs when people SUPPORT candidates.

This is NOT a horse race, and I see no reason to NOT support someone one thinks is 'fine' because one doesn't, at one point, see a 'path.' Makes no sense to me.

[romanic]

205. Oh no how terrible.

[Bjorn Against]

211. I was a Hillary supporter until this morning

I have now realized however that I was the only good Hillary supporter, the rest of them are a bunch of doo-doo heads and I can not support them any longer. Even my old friends from Free Republic agree that Hillary supporters are doo-doo heads.

This post is every bit as genuine as the OP.

[Puglover]

237. What is utterly

astounding to me is that ANYONE falls for this crap. Good God.

And this post is genuine.

[MannyGoldstein]

212. I'm glad that the status quo is working well for you

But for most of America it's been a disaster.

Good luck!

[immoderate]

217. Bullshit!

--imm

[Impedimentus]

219. The Clinton operatives are behaving as expected.

Nothing new here, just more dirty tricks from the Hillary crowd.

[gollygee]

226. You don't vote for people's supporters.

You vote for a candidate.

[neverforget]

336. But the supporters are so mean!!!!

[Le Taz Hot]

227. You WERE a Sanders supporter?

Sure you were.

Thanks for the laugh.

[Autumn]

426. Of course he WAS a Sanders supporter Taz. Just look at all his recs.

For Hillary... and the obligatory one or two token recs for Bernie



It's always funny when people think they post in a vacuum.

[Motown_Johnny]

231. Either you are not a serious person

or your post is not serious.

There is no way that anything about the way Sen. Sanders has conducted himself that would cause anyone to cease supporting him.

If you really have, then you can't be serious about the issues upon which he and Sec. Clinton differ.

[OnyxCollie]

239. BREAKING: Former Power Freeper refuses to support Sanders.

Story at 11.

[PowerToThePeople]

241. So says the ex freerepublic member.

No one, I mean NO ONE, is shocked to see this OP from you.

Trashing this pos thread.

[Sheepshank]

251. oh honestly...as if not one Sanders supporter has had a membership there to stir the shit?

so much bullshit, so much piling on from a group that is rabidly scared of anyone that doesn't swear allegiance to Bernie.

[PowerToThePeople]

252. I will agree

That MM does try to stir some shit. But anyone who has been here a while knows his game all too well.

[dgibby]

276. Scared?

Seriously? I support Bernie, but will vote for the candidate who wins the primary. I haven't piled on. And I am NOT scared. I seriously doubt that the majority of Bernie's supporters are, but if it makes you happy to think so, then by all means, please continue. Underestimating your opponents never ends well.

[Sheepshank]

277. scared shitless of any dissent

this entire thread is proof positive.

[dgibby]

306. So you say. Whatever.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go check my deadbolts and make sure my security system is on, 'cause I'm soooooooooooooo scared!

[aspirant]

245. and when Bernie wins the primary

what will you do with all these nasty Bernie supporters

[Sheepshank]

296. And when Bernie withdraws gracefully, as many expect he will

Will you go away?

[beam me up scottie]

258. I was a Hillary supporter and now I'm switching to Donald Trump!

I'll show all of you guys!

[Sheepshank]

309. You're doing it all wrong

You have no idea how to play they game you say MM is playing. he never said he would vote for a Republican. Your example is pure hatred and nasty towards a fellow DUer. You have your own team to pat on the back for that particular type of narrative. Yes, one of your own said that he wants a republican to win to teach everyone a lesson. Intersting how none of your team tried to shut down that loser.

[Kali]

260. OooooKaaaayyy

seems like a lame reason to base a choice on the actions of a few obnoxious people, (especially when all sides contain an obnoxious faction) but then some people just toss a coin so...I would conclude your convictions weren't that strong to begin with

[brentspeak]

265. Oh, crap! This is too much of a surprise!

Bernie has lost Roger Ston...er, "mineralMan's" support!

The dream is over...

[merrily]

351. It was such strong support, too.

[Blue_In_AK]

266. Support whoever you want to.

I really could not care less.

That being said, I think your post is disingenuous since it's difficult to believe from your previous posts here and elsewhere that you were ever a Sanders supporter. I don't see Sanders supporters as being any more dismissive or "mean" than Clinton's. We are all free to make up our own minds, no matter our color, sexual orientation, geographic location, or whatever.

DU is ridiculous sometimes.

[TBF]

268. I'm shocked.

[MineralMan]

286. Your insulting attack is simply ugly.

Oh, well...

[BlindTiresias]

294. Well the facts of the matter are ugly

Namely, your posting!

[dgibby]

281. OMG!

I'm sure this announcement is going to destroy Bernie. No doubt he'll be so distraught, he'll probably drop out of the race. Oh, the humanity! Won't anyone think of the children?

If I withdrew my support from any cause, candidate, etc, based on the actions of their followers, I certainly wouldn't still be supporting BLM after what those protesters did on Sat; however, I'm a bit more mature than that, so I'm still supporting them, despite the actions of some of their (alleged) members.

Based on your posting history (both here and at FR) and your recs, I'd have to say your ulterior motive here is to malign both Bernie and his supporters in order to garner more support for Hillary, but what do I know?
Good luck, you're going to need it.

[DinahMoeHum]

282. Whatever, dude.

As long as we're on the same team (Democratic Party) when the nomination process is over.

[MineralMan]

287. I will vote for the Democratic nominee,

as I have always done, of course.

[hay rick]

285. You're changing your vote because people like me are jerks?

I'm honored. Puzzled, but honored.

[MineralMan]

288. Frankly, I don't even know you.

So, I have no idea about that.

[hay rick]

301. "When I align myself with a candidate..."

"When I align myself with a candidate and pledge support for that candidate, I am aligning myself with that candidate's supporters." So if I want people to support Sanders I should write obnoxious pro-Hillary posts and expect a stampede to the Sanders camp. Is that the way it works?

Enough snark. I don't think you are offering a valid reason to support or not support a candidate. Would I choose a candidate based on the candidate's policy proposals? Yes. A candidates voting record? Yes. The candidate's hired staff and political appointments? Yes. His most obnoxious supporters? No.

I do not think that criticism of Marissa Johnson constitutes an attack on BLM or black people. I also see no good reason that would justify making the Sanders campaign the main target of BLM activism. Perhaps you disagree.

[bbgrunt]

290. sounds to me like you are setting up a defense for when Hillary loses--it was those BS supporters...

and that is a lot of BS!

[MineralMan]

292. Really? No.

I expect her to win the nomination and the presidency easily. You are incorrect.

[lovemydog]

295. I've never doubted your sincerity Mineral Man.

I've moved to undecided. I plan to vote for O'Malley or Sanders in the primary and whoever wins the nomination in the general. I think Sanders, O'Malley and Clinton all have their strengths and can beat any republican. I think all three can have an effective presidency especially if we give them a more liberal Congress. I think we should keep moving forward toward immediate reform of the criminal justice system, single payer health care, raising taxes on the rich, more jobs, better wages and strong diplomacy without entanglement in foreign wars.

[MineralMan]

297. Thank you.

[Cha]

329. Aloha, lovemydog.. I just posted this from a State Senator in Washington that I think you'll

be interested in. She very eloquently states on the importance of moving forward, too.

"Why Saturday's Bernie Sanders Rally Left Me Feeling Heartbroken"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=509166

[lovemydog]

361. Aloha, Cha.

Thanks for turning my attention toward that article. A lot of things are churning. It's been a tough week for a lot of us here. We share similar anxieties about the direction of our country.

I feel like a fever is about to break. Many who post here, and people like Pramila Jayapal, the state senator from Washington's 37th District, want significant improvement in a lot of areas. No more business as usual. We have to move forward together. I have your back whether you support Hillary or Martin. You have mine though I'm undecided & leaning toward Bernie or Martin. We know we'll support each other and support democrats.

I've learned from many here. I'm grateful for that my friend. The issues are too critical and our online friendship too valuable to divide us. It's a lifelong struggle & I'm happy being part of it with you & many here. We're flawed, yes, but we're still good folks. We will continue searching for and supporting progress and having each others' backs.

To quote Jayapal's beautiful article:

'To build a movement, we have to be smarter than those who are trying to divide us. We have to take our anger and rage and channel it into building, growing, loving, holding each other up. We need our outlets too, our places of safety where we can say what we think without worrying about how it's going to land, where we can call out even our white loved ones, friends, allies for what they are not doing. But in the end, if we want to win for ALL of us on racial, economic, and social justice issues, we need multiple sets of tactics, working together. Some are disruptive tactics. Some are loving tactics. Some are truth-telling tactics. Some can only be taken on by white people. Some can only be taken on by people of color. Sometimes we need someone from the other strand to step in and hold us up. Other times, we have to step out and hold them up. Each of us has a different role to play but we all have to hold the collective space for movement building together. That's what I hope we all keep in mind and work on together. It's the only way we move forward.'

[Cha]

367. Isn't she brilliant, lovemydog! Pramila Jayapal is amazing.. Bravenak sent that to me from

Last edited Tue Aug 11, 2015, 03:01 AM - Edit history (1)

"du jail" as she calls it.

Mahalo for your kindness.. it's very inspiring.

In the 2008 Election.. I didn't decide on Senator Obama until late December of '07. We all have our time when it hits us.. so to speak.

I was really against Hillary.. but, I think she has grown a lot and I like that President Obama chose her for his SOS.. I think she has what it takes now to deliver us from the horror of the gop and do a great job. She's got wonderful people on board.

Not trying to sell you.. just letting you know where I stand. Just talked to my son(his birthday! ).. and he's for Bernie but he's not trying to push anything on me .. nor I him. He'll gladly vote for Hill if she's the nominee.. and vice versa for me.

So glad you appreciated the FB post from Jayapal.. I thought you would.

#BlackLivesMatter

[lovemydog]

372. Oh yes. She's brilliant.

Happy birthday to your son. He has a great mom.

Black lives matter.

Very glad you heard from our friend in 'du jail.'

FREE BRAVENAK!

[Cha]

373. "FREE BRAVENAK"! YES!

I'll tell him that, lovemydog! He'll get a kick out of it..

I often regale tales from DU.. but this will be a good one.

#BlackLivesMatter

[HFRN]

299. oh no! Please come back! nt

[HFRN]

302. may I offer you a gold star for petulance, as a consolation?

please don't go away mad....

[MineralMan]

303. You can do whatever you wish.

[HFRN]

315. are you aware, your self pity is distasteful? nt

[Rosa Luxemburg]

308. You are entitled to your opinion

I heard many talk of Obama like that in 2007

[Cha]

310. Thank you for this, MM.. "#BlackLivesMatter. Period."

[shenmue]

312. Smart move, Mineral Man

[DemocratSinceBirth]

318. Welcome aboard. I believe all our candidates are trying to do the right thing.

Welcome aboard. I believe all our candidates are trying to do the right thing.

[ibegurpard]

320. lol

This one you're welcome to.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

323. Like old Lyndon would say "better to have Mineral Man in the tent pissing out...

Like old Lyndon would say "better to have Mineral Man in the tent pissing outside than outside the tent pissing in."

[2pooped2pop]

321. lol, ok then, buh bye

maybe the black vote will make her win and you can all be smug and happy when nothing changes for blacks. But it's your vote, so do as you wish.

[aikoaiko]

322. So here is a question for you. Based on your OP, would you support Bernie supporters not voting

for HRC in the general if she is the nominee because of all the trash-talk, hate, and blame HRC dish out?

[MineralMan]

324. Democrats should vote for Democrats.

At least in General Elections. That's what I'll be doing, as always. I hope you will, too.

[aikoaiko]

326. Ok, just seeing how far your rationale goes with basing your vote on candidate supporters.

I think its very possible that some Bernie supporters (not me, per se) may follow your lead (and the lead of all these DUers who claim they liked Bernie until Bernie supporters said things that made them unhappy) in the general election. I doubt they'll vote third party or republican. I guess that's how disenfranchisement works.

I suspect we'll see the Hillary supporters say a lot of things Bernie supporters are saying now about why people should vote for Hillary regardless of their feelings (if she is the nominee) because the overall good is more important.

Interesting times.

[Cha]

327. "Why Saturday's Bernie Sanders Rally Left Me Feeling Heartbroken" by Washington State Senator,

Pramila Jayapal

1) This is one small result of centuries of racism.

2) When the disruption first happened, the crowd (mostly white) turned ugly

3) I don't have any answer on what is "right." Bernie Sanders was a guest in our city—invited by a multiracial coalition to speak on some very important issues. Enormous amounts of work went into yesterday's event and it was so important to talk about preserving and expanding Social Security and Medicare. None of the papers today are covering those issues, because they were eclipsed by what happened. That's not necessarily "wrong"—it just is what it is. But here's what I would have loved to have happen: after the protesters were able to get the mic and say their piece and have the 4.5 minutes of silence for all the black people who have been killed, I would have loved for Bernie Sanders to take the mic and respond.

4) I had not yet endorsed Bernie Sanders (and still have not), although I was incredibly excited about his candidacy

5) Here's what I am trying to deeply think about: How do we call people in even as we call them out?

She explains each and every point at the link.
http://www.thestranger.com/blogs/slog/2015/08/09/22671957/guest-editorial-why-saturdays-bernie-sanders-rally-left-me-feeling-heartbroken


Thank you, MineralMan

[onehandle]

328. You sir, will regret this. Regret this, I say!!!

Wait... Are you endorsing a Democrat?

Well, never mind. This is Democratic Underground, and who am I (a Democrat, btw) to deny a Democrat his right to endorse a Democrat.

Congratulations for endorsing a Democrat at Democratic Underground!

[TransitJohn]

331. 0/10

Not one of your better efforts, and you additionally managed to trivialize an important issue by co-opting it (pretty bold for a person of the white persuasion). Congratulations.

[truebrit71]

333. Hey everyone! Look at meeeeee! LOOK AT ME!

Seriously, no one is buying your bullshit...

Oh, and if Bernie has maxed out his support why don't you get back to me when your "new" choice of candidate has 28,000 people show up to an event that didn't cost $2700 to get into....

M'kay?

[tkmorris]

334. Oh, this is SO you

Fairly predictable actually. I told my wife that your "support" for Sanders was ephemeral, and that you would switch to Hillary before the first primary. It's a bit earlier than I expected, but I suppose this opportunity was too good to pass up.

What's amusing is the effort that you put into these things. Clearly you imagine that these screeds of your are somehow influencial; that you are swaying opinions. You aren't of course, but oh BOY do you try!

See, here's where the rubber meets the road. Nobody's supporters here are typical of the nation at large. People here at DU are quite a bit more zealous in their support, and tend to be less polite to those who support other candidates, than those in the general public. This is just as true of Hillary's supporters as it is of anyone elses, be it Sanders, O'Malley, or some candidate yet to be named. Your entire point rests upon Sanders supporters somehow being different than all the others, a falsehood obvious to the most casual observer. Thus, your reasoning is a McGuffin, a made up of whole cloth bit of nonsense which enables you to make a very public switch in loyalties to Hillary.

It's pure codswallop, all of it. Nicely crafted though.

[joshcryer]

335. This is as stupid as any other single issue advocate.

While I have distanced myself from certain Sanders "supporters" because of their toxicity that doesn't reflect in any way on Sanders or his campaign.

I suspect your support was shallow, line many who set Sanders up for failure.

[merrily]

337. I called it months ago.

[Vattel]

338. Lol

[MoveIt]

340. "What a shame!"

Bernie doesn't need make-believe supporters who base their fake decisions on something that isn't happening.

[cui bono]

344. Yeah, well I was a Hillary supporter until the HRC group formed.

What a joke.

[AtomicKitten]

354. Uh huh.

[SMC22307]

355. Thanks. I'll sleep so much better knowing that.

Using your "logic," #BLM should be dumped thanks to the Seattle tantrum-throwers. Or is there some magic cut-off number, an acceptable ratio of good fans to asshole fans?

[Rex]

360. ...

[Romulox]

368. Bernie supporters have turned our "ex" Freeper (back) into a moderate!!!

[Maven]

371. Oh! And just recently you were telling us you're a Bernie supporter even though he "can't win"

You don't realize how obvious you are, do you?

[CBGLuthier]

376. If I used that "logic" I would be unable to support anyone for president.

Since all the candidates have a least a few assholes supporting them.

[NorthCarolina]

379. Since many here claim you supported McCain in the past, Hillary would be a much better fit

for you politically than Bernie anyway. In fact, your brief support for Bernie must have been a real conundrum for you personally.

[MineralMan]

380. I have never voted for a Republican in my life.

Not even once. I have campaigned for and/or voted for every Democratic nominee for President since 1960, when I was a sophomore in high school and JFK was running.

[NorthCarolina]

382. Why do some here claim that

you posted in favor of McCain on the FR website? I was just going on the basis of that.

[MineralMan]

385. I can't answer for other people, so I don't know.

[NorthCarolina]

387. Well, that begs the question...

Factually, have you ever posted in favor of McCain on the FR site as is claimed, or is it a fabricated lie?

[MineralMan]

389. I doubt it very much. I was trolling that site.

I could not possibly remember every post I have made on the internet in any sort of context. So, I can't really answer your question, nor will I even try. Some people have collections of my posts on other websites. All are out of context, but they get referred to from time to time. I do not comment on those if someone digs something out from many years ago. I don't have time to go research the context, nor any interest in doing so. So, I leave all of that stuff for others to chew on and spit out.

As for Free Republic, I was banned from that website for "anti-freeping" in 2006. It is now 2015. That's my answer to all such questions.

[LostOne4Ever]

384. After reviewing this incredible flow of logic I too have made a decision

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]There are asshole human beings supporting all manner of candidates and cause. Standing with anyone one person, no matter how good that person may or may not be, means I must therefore stand with these other obnoxious people.

Therefore I not only withdraw any and all support of all candidates, but to the human species in its entirety. In fact, I have come to the conclusion that due to the few bad apples out their humanity is in fact beyond repair and must be exstinguished.

THEREFORE I AM TODAY SUPPORTING THE ONLY CANDIDATE WHO SUPPORTS DESTROYING THE ENTIRE HUMAN RACE!

[center][font style="font-family:'Papyrus','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=10 color=crimson]CTHULU 2016~!!![/font]

[/center]

Those who pledge to support Candidate Cthulu can expect to witness not only the total destruction of all Politicians but their supporters too. Their screams of agony shall fill the enternal void of darkness and pain as they are dragged into the oblivion that only the Aldrich Abomination called Cthulu can bring.



At least, as the marrow is sucked from the bones of my still living body I can take comfort in knowing that I am not allied with any assholes.

THANK YOU CTHULU!!![/font]

[MoveIt]

386. And they believed you, they really really did!

[MineralMan]

388. I don't really know why I'm replying to your post, but

I post my opinions here, along with what I think. I don't expect anyone to think anything at all based on what I post. I don't care if other people believe me or not. I know what I think and believe very well. I know that what I'm posting truly reflects my opinion. Others are free to think whatever they think. That's not my concern, nor does that influence what I write here.

So, good luck to you. The thoughts of each of us are our own. Go in peace.

[yallerdawg]

390. Welcome to Hillary Clinton supporter status!

Hillary matches our political views and looks like she will beat every Republican! That's a twofer!

Your reasoned rational writing skills and oratory will be most appreciated, and if you tire of the Hillary bashing, please come to Hillary Group for support and safe haven!

[AlbertCat]

391. Recent attacks on people who insist that attention be paid to the wholesale killing...

.... of unarmed black people by official government law enforcement officers has convinced me that my support for Bernie Sanders in the primaries was misplaced.


Oh.... We see you have fallen for the Right Wing made up lies wholeheartedly.

[JackInGreen]

394. You've always been wiser than that

We'll see you again after the primary.

Um....

Since we'll be allied then (as I believe we are still now despite this) , will you choose to not participate to not have to deal with Bernie (or former bernie) supporters?

I hope you don't have to caucus. "Bernie fans on the Internet were critical of someone's motivations in the name of a very important cause" isn't going to play well I think.

[Bobbie Jo]

400. Gotta say

reading through this thread...

You guys couldn't have provided a more perfect demonstration of his point if you tried.

Well done, well done.

[MineralMan]

401. I haven't been answering most of the replies.

You're right, though. Most of the attacks didn't even address what I said in the OP at all. I guess people replied without bothering to read what I wrote.

On the off chance that Sanders gets the nomination, he'll get my vote in the GE. In fact, whoever the Democratic nominee is will get that, along with my support. This is about the primaries.

I believe that many supporters of Senator Sanders are working hard against his nomination, without realizing it. I won't participate in that, so I'm changing my support to the candidate I see as the most likely nominee.

I still won't be commenting much on any of the primary candidates. I won't be joining any of their DU groups, either. I'm a General Election guy, and my focus is on getting a winning candidate as the nominee. As far as I can see, Hillary Clinton is that candidate. Sanders is a long shot, at best, and isn't getting a boost from this recent stuff at all.

[panader0]

409. Are you talking about Sanders supporters on DU?

Or in the general population? If you're speaking about those on DU, you may have seen some negativity.
What are you hearing on the street, in your community and communities in other states?
Because, if this is just about DU, well, welcome to the primaries. You certainly won't hear attacks from
the candidate himself. I don't wait for a poll to decide my opinion, and once I have it, I don't change with
the wind.

[MineralMan]

412. I read much more than DU.

What I'm talking about is widespread. My goal is always to win the office of President for Democrats, along with other offices. I choose candidates to support partly for their likelihood to win. I am far from alone in that goal. I do not believe there is any chance for Senator Sanders to win. He will retain his office in the Senate, though, where he does a wonderful job.

[Rainngirl]

404. The women who shut down Bernie Sanders' rally here in Seattle

were NOT part of Black Lives Matters. They are part of a fringe group who hijacks the BLM name to try to give themselves credentials. They are nutbags who are more teabaggers than anything and are only interested in stirring up trouble. Don't blame Bernie for that. In the rally that he did AFTER the one that was shut down, he spoke glowingly about BLM and is a supporter of them and didn't mention the women (who at that time everyone thought were part of BLM) who broke up the previous rally. I think you are jumping to incorrect conclusions. Listening to him in person for over an hour, it sounded to me like his list of things he wants to work on is vast--definitely not narrow. I especially support his desire to overturn Citizen's United, which is probably the single worst decision by the SCOTUS--EVER, and is proving to be horribly damaging to our democracy.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

405. You base your vote on "supporters"?

And, you're withdrawing your support from the candidate you most align with because other people might not like his supports and not support him?

Are you voting for his/her supporters or the candidate? Do you think that Bernie doesn't support PoC? Do you think his supporters don't support PoC?

Are you swinging right to Hillary because her supporters are so much more genteel?

You said in your OP that you "most align" with Bernie. Are you abandoning Bernie because you are abandoning what he's "aligned" with? Or, is it because she's ahead in the polls?

"Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost." John Quincy Adams

[MineralMan]

413. I vote and support Democratic candidates who

are the most likely to defeat their Republican opponent. I have come to believe that Sanders supporters are hurting his chances, and that his chance of winning is minuscule.

My support for Democrats is based on what benefits people the most. All people. So, I support the Democrat most likely to win for every office. My personal political leanings are socialistic, but I'm not so naive as to think socialism will ever control the US.

I vote for Democrats who will win, whenever that is possible. When it is not possible, I still vote for Democrats. I am a Democratic voter, and I want Democrats to win.

[azurnoir]

419. Sir with all due respect

you are an official Democratic party precinct chair in the city in which you reside, it says so in your sig line, as has been pointed out repeatedly here Hillary has the backing of elected office holding party officials, as part of the official machinery of the Democratic Party that your support would go to anyone else is nearly unthinkable

most if not all of us who do support Bernie Sanders are what is called rank and file, we hold no position within the party we however are the ones who vote for it and this is IMO the crux of the Bernie vs Hillary squabble it is those of us who are tired of the status quo and the third way, which has depleting the future of the working and middle classes for 35 years , in short Bernie is seen as the possibility change and Hillary as more of the same, much like 2008

[MineralMan]

420. Despite being a precinct chair, my opinion is NOT any sort

of official endorsement. If you look at the precinct web page I maintain, you'll see that the only endorsements of candidates are those of the DFL Party. Those come after DFL Party conventions at various levels. Until those conventions take place, there are no DFL Party endorsements. I have one vote at those conventions as a delegate, if I am a delegate.

I do not, and cannot speak for the Minnesota DFL Party. I would not do so. I speak for myself, unless I am posting on that precinct website. There, what I post reflects party opinion, not mine.

[azurnoir]

421. I'm sorry you misunderstood because that is not what I meant

in fact my meaning was sort of the reverse, that as part of Party inner workings it seemed natural that you would endorse (meaning support, like I endorse Bernie) the candidate that the Leadership seems to

[MineralMan]

423. If you attended any DFL Party meeting in Minnesota,

you'd discover that there is a wide range of different opinions represented. Only through the democratic process does the DFL Party act as a unit. Only through a majority vote, or in the case of official endorsements, a supermajority, does the DFL Party speak.

Individuals are free to hold whatever opinions they hold, and to voice those opinions as individuals. Again, all you would have to do is attend any caucus meeting or convention to understand that the MN DFL is made up of people of all viewpoints.

[azurnoir]

424. Yes I am very fully aware of that Sir

[Buns_of_Fire]

414. Reading this thread, I'm sure glad I support Vermin Supreme.

Oh yes, there are billions of us out here. We've been biding our time and organizing. And all the HillaryPeople and BerniePeople are going to be laughing out the other end of their gastrointestinal tracts when we amass 96% of the popular vote. You watch.

[Recursion]

418. Shhh.... we aren't supposed to make our move yet

Wait until Anonymous hacks the city light system to project an image of Vermin on the Prudential Tower. Then, and only then, will we all put boots on our heads and march to freedom.

[davidpdx]

416. Trash thread

Never supported Sanders to begin with.

[Autumn]

422. That's the right thing for you to do.

in fact

[sibelian]

425. Well, this a sombre moment, indeed.

I feel I must review my actions in the light of the seriousness of this troubling news.