2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo exactly WHICH candidate for POTUS IS BLM supporting, over Bernie Sanders????
have they ever said? If so, I haven't heard who it is.
Is it Hillary? O'Malley? Trump? I find it odd that all this
justifiable anger is so completely misplaced, AND it's aimed
at BLM's and the AA community's best friend in this race.
Hydra
(14,459 posts)Admittedly, I already know the answer, but I'd like our resident "Adults" to give it to us.
onecaliberal
(32,775 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)That's going to put a damper on the debates.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)#earnthisdamnvoteorlose
Hydra
(14,459 posts)...Until elected. Or the next 5 mins. Whichever is more useful.
kath
(10,565 posts)Where is that awesome weathervane gif?
senz
(11,945 posts)Clever.
kath
(10,565 posts)I stand in awe of you! (Or whomever designed it)
Duckhunter935
(16,974 posts)it will be seen as some kind of attack by some of the more sensitive people here.
Zorra
(27,670 posts)2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)as in not so much grass roots but paid for by someone trying to put forth an incorrect message. Otherwise how could they actually be stupid enough to go after the only candidate that really does have their backs? Makes no sense. Someone is either using them or has created them. I don't care enough to try to find out which it is.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)As usual, follow the money. Who's been donating to BLM's "publicity" campaign -- overtly
or covertly -- recently, and who are they connected to ...??
onecaliberal
(32,775 posts)BainsBane
(53,012 posts)Michael Laray Dozer
Bakersfield, CA: Dozer was allegedly acting erratically at a gas station when he walked towards an officer. Finding him to appear "aggressive," the officer shot and killed him.
He was 26 years old.
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Baytown, TX: A woman called 911 to report that Gregoire had kicked in her back door, which may have been his own residence, and attacked her with a pole. He reportedly left and returned again. Deputy Bradley Hasley spotted Gregoire exiting the house and tasered him. Gregoire fell, reportedly removed the probes and then allegedly "charged" Bradley, who then tasered him again. When EMS arrived to treat the woman, Hasley says he noticed Gregoire appeared "unresponsive." He was transported to the hospital where he was pronounced dead.
He was 26 years old.
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George V. King
Baltimore, MD: King spent the night in the hospital for a reaction to dental work medication. After an unknown procedure, and possibly taking Keppra the next day, King allegedly became "agitated and combative" about not being immediately released. Two officers arrived and tasered King once while 5-10 hospital workers tried to secure him to a gurney. He resisted, was drive-stunned four times, and was given a sedative. He suffered a cardiac arrest, went into a coma and died 7-8 days later.
He was 19 years old.
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Dominique Franklin Jr.
Chicago, IL: Police pursued Franklin after suspecting him of robbing a store. They tasered him twice, causing him to fall headfirst into a streetlight. Franklin died several weeks later.
He was 23 years old.
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Emerson Clayton Jr.
Alexander City, AL: An officer responding to calls of a fight at a local restaurant found Clayton in his car and revving the engine. The officer fatally shot Clayton, and was later cleared of wrongdoing by a grand jury despite significant protests.
He was 21 years old.
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Rondre Lamar Hornbeak
Ardmore, OK: Police were called for a domestic assault. Hornbeak was arrested and was transported to jail. Upon arrival Hornbeak was unresponsive. Rondres passion for life was his family. He was an aide to them in every way possible.
He was 38 years old.
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Tommy Yancy
Imperial, CA: Five California Highway Patrolmen pulled Tommy over for a missing front license plate. They attacked him with a K9 unit, tasered him, and then beat him to death.
He was 32 years old.
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Barnesville, GA: An on-duty officer struck Justin Sullivan and Quentin Byrd as the two were crossing a highway around 1 a.m. The officer was treated for injuries at a nearby hospital.
Quentin was 21 years old.
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Yvette Smith
Bastrop, TX: Bastrop deputies responded to a 911 call regarding gunshots. Yvette was shot when coming out the door at the direction of the police. They may have believed she had a gun, though she did not. The Sheriff's department initially claimed that she was disregarding officer commands, but later retracted that statement. The officer has been indicted.
She was 47 years old.
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John H. Crawford III
Beavercreek, OH: Crawford was killed after police were called into a Wal-Mart for reports of a man walking through the store with a rifle. It wasn't a real gun but a BB gun from the store.
He was 22 years old.
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Tamir E. Rice
Cleveland, OH: Tamir was in a park playing with a BB gun. A caller reported that a male was point a pistol at random people, stating twice that the gun was "probably fake". Police pulled up within 10 feet from Tamir and shot him two seconds later in the abdomen. Neither officer administered first aid, instead arresting Tamir's sister who rushed to his aid. Tamir didn't receive first aid until four minutes later from a deputy who was nearby. He died soon after.
He was 12 years old.
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Tanisha Anderson
Cleveland, OH: Anderson suffered from schizophrenia, and officers agreed with the family that she should be taken to a medical center for evaluation. When officers cuffed Anderson and tried to place her inside their vehicle she allegedly resisted. Officers then tasered her and tackled her to the ground, forcing her head onto the ground. Anderson became unresponsive and was pronounced dead at the hospital.
She was 37 years old.
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Zikarious Flint
Columbus, GA: Campus police received reports that Flint was seen loading a gun. Officers responded and Flint fled on foot. Officers fatally shot him in the back and the back of the neck. Flint turned out to be unarmed.
He was 20 years old.
Charles Goodridge
Cypress, TX: Off-duty deputy constable Francisco Ruiz was working security for his apartment complex and encountered Goodridge, unarmed and walking on the property where he had lived for nine years until recently evicted. Ruiz says he attempted to arrest Goodridge for allegedly trespassing. Witness David Hall says that Goodridge pushed Ruiz away. The deputy says he chased him and there was a scuffle. He then shot Goodridge twice in the stomach.
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He was 53 years old.
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Christopher McCray
Fayetteville, NC: McCray ran into the road on the highway around 8pm and a trooper hit him with his car.
He was 17 years old.
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Juan May
Duncanville, TX: May was shot by an off-duty police sergeant after the two got in an argument and then a fight in the parking lot of a restaurant. The shooting is still under investigation, but the sergeant has returned to work.
He was 45 years old.
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmedprofiles/f6evfkmei9c0s336oqwpchii3sluqy
Jacqueline Nichols
Flint, MI: An officer was in pursuit of a suspect when he ran a stop sign and collided with Nichols' vehicle, killing Nichols.
She was 64 years old.
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Methuen, MA: A 19-year-veteran of the local police was not only drunk during his head-on collision, unlicensed, with an open container and drunk-driving priors, but witnesses saw him trying to flee the scene, then he provided a false name to an investigator in another department. Paula died in the crash and his sister was seriously injured. The officer was charged with felony motor-vehicle homicide and lesser charges.
He was 26 years old.
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Vernicia Woodard
Hapeville, GA: Woodard was fatally shot multiple times by her former boyfriend, an Atlanta police officer named Tahreem Zeus Rana. After being caught trying to fly to Mexico, Rana faced charges of murder, kidnapping, and a charge of arson for setting Woodard's dead body on fire in an attempt to obscure evidence.
She was 26 years old.
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Cameron Tillman
Houma, LA: Police received call that armed individuals had entered an abandoned house. When they knocked on the door, Cameron Tillman, a high school freshman and talented athlete with a 3.7 grade point average opened the door and was shot four or five times. The local sheriff said Cameron came to the door with a gun in his hand, but that was later changed to say a BB gun was found "in close proximity" to his body. The teens say the BB gun was on the table.
Cameron was alive for at least 45 minutes, according to the family's lawyer. But the police offered no medical assistance. The investigation is ongoing, but two months on, the four other boys in the house say they still haven't been interviewed.
He was 14 years old.
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Jordan Baker
Houston, TX: An officer saw Baker riding his bike through Northwest Houston strip mall parking lot and looking into local businesses. Mistaking him for a robber, the officer approached Jordan and asked to see his identification. Jordan allegedly 'scuffled' with the officer and ran away. The officer chased Jordan, cornered him in an alley and then shot and killed him claiming Jordan had charged at him. "Jordan does everything for his son. His son is his life," his mother said after his death. The officer was later cleared of all wrongdoing by a grand jury.
He was 26 years old.
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David Andre Scott
Jacksonville, FL: David was shot 21 times after he came out of an apartment building holding what SWAT team members thought was a gun. Officers say the object David Scott was holding was actually a box stuffed in a black sock.
He was 28 years old.
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Latandra Ellington
Ocala, FL: Latandra Ellington, an inmate at the time, turned up dead 10 days after writing a letter to her aunt that detailed how a Lowell corrections officer she knew him only as Sgt. Q had repeatedly threatened to beat and kill her.
She was 36 years old.
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Rumain Brisbon
Phoenix, AZ: Police looking for a burglary suspect approached Brisbon, who fled on foot. When caught, Brisbon reached into his pocket. Believing Brisbon to possess a gun in his pocket, the officer fired two shots. The item in Brisbon's pocket turned out to be a bottle of pills.
He was 34 years old.
And many, many more.
http://mappingpoliceviolence.org/unarmed/
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)so why attack the ONLY one running for president who is interested in making that change? Somethings not right with that.
That's either stupid, or bought out.
BainsBane
(53,012 posts)What is clear is that it is the only protest that you all even notice.
All you have to do to understand why they would go to a Sanders event is look around at the comments on this site.
No one who is an ally says what is being said here.
ljm2002
(10,751 posts)...of other candidates whose events have been disrupted. The only one I am aware of is O'Malley along with Sanders at Netroots Nation. Do you know of others? If so, please share.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)and that is with Bernie. If they were protesting everyone, it would be different but they are not. Nope, some money has gone down or some brains have been eaten by zombies.
Bernie's got ur back, but he don't need to kiss ur ass.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... are brainless and/or have been paid off. Thanks for pointing that out to everyone here.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)yes
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)Don't "fuck with Bernie!"
It doesn't matter what people have to say - the only thing that matters is they say it to someone other than Bernie.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)the group they say they belong to. THey just looked stupid. THat doesn't really make anyone want to listen.
Maybe they could interrupt a baby shower next or something.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... who doesn't want to listen, don't we?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)buh bye
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... when someone says something they can't deal with. I appreciate the consistency.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)They fucked up. period Argue that as long as you want. Just don't see the point in continuing a dialog that isn't going to change. I doubt those women were actually a part of BLM yet you will defend their stupidity to the end.
No time to continue it with you. YOU make me not give a shit.
NanceGreggs
(27,813 posts)... I thought I was on full DU ignore already.
I can't tell you how disappointed I am that I'm not.
senz
(11,945 posts)aikoaiko
(34,161 posts)sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)got little interest in the subject, on ANY forum, including this one, until suddenly Bernie Sanders the ONLY candidate who ever actually did something about Civil Rights, entered this race and began drawing enormous crowds, catching up to the Front Runner as people hear more about him.
Now suddenly people whose names I never saw in, eg, the Ferguson threads are suddenly 'concerned' about a decades old horrifying issue??
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025872401#post11 so little interest as you can see.
You know what, to those of us who have worked to try to draw attention to what is, essentially the criminal assault on, mostly, AAs but also on the mentally ill and poor people, for years, to see now certain people USING IT cynically for their own purposes, is simply sickening and it is doing HARM to the issue.
Maybe that is the purpose, to silence the sincere people who out on the streets facing down the brutal robo cops, the politicians both Dem and Repub, who order out the NG to attack them.
Yes, that IS something to consider. That this is aimed at undermining the efforts that have finally succeeded in getting some attention for these egregious and ongoing crimes against AAs.
Skidmore
(37,364 posts)get it. This is not about Sanders at all. Or any other candidate. Itis about getting the left to pay attention. Voting and policy decisions occur at more than presidential level. We also have over more than 500 legislators to vote on at national level in 2016 and numerous state and local offices as well. This is about you and me finding ways to link arms with others and move this progressive agenda everyone proclaims. Will you be around to write the platform? Or to hear people out?
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)its about getting the left to pay attention. Because the right has been paying attention so they should be left alone. No, this is about someone trying to send a different message than what mlm started as.
someone, hmmm....who......
but some choose Bernie to fuck with instead of any of those? Hmmmm?
yeah, I think I do get it.
Ken Burch
(50,254 posts)He has proven himself over and over.
Bernie Sanders has never betrayed black people or dismissed the importance of fighting systemic racism.
All he has done is said you can't really fight that without also fighting for economic equality.
He has never been indifferent to these issues.
So why, again and again, is he singled out?
artislife
(9,497 posts)I don't really care that Bernie gets heckled, what I do care about is that supporters and other white people will forget what the topic is.
Black Lives being killed by the authorities. It is so dangerous to be Black in this country, but too many of us are not looking at the pictures, not seeing the humanity.
We are getting side tracked by "bad manners" etc.
If I had gone to the noon event instead of the evening event, I would have been sad not to hear Bernie. I may have not completely liked the women...but their message is CRITICAL for this country to do more than be sad about these deaths, we need to stop these deaths.
And that's all. I know I have a Bernie avatar, whatever you call the bottom images and that puts me into a column that cannot speak to these issues on this site. But I want to repeat what I have been repeating here, I believe in BLM.
We all need to work for BLM. Lets do something concrete.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)" I know I have a Bernie avatar, whatever you call the bottom images and that puts me into a column that cannot speak to these issues on this site."
It's a really f'd up situation when people feel they have to disqualify themselves from the discussion because of that.
artislife
(9,497 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)napi21
(45,806 posts)Don't you think the BIGGER PROBLEM is the Pubbies and their anti black attitude, and always trying to suppress the minority vote? I understand your frustration, and I commend all of you for making the issue of police out of control a national issue. But it really doesn't make sense to me to only protest at Bernie's events.
Wouldn't it be wiser to address the issue at events by candidates from states where there have already been major problems? Kashich from Ohio who is the governor and has control over how the police behave?
There are several candidates from grossly offending states, like TX, PA, Wi, La. etc. Hell, there are so many damn Pub candidates, I can't even remember where they're all from.
One thing I haven't heard was major police problems in VT!
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)Or is he a complicit "liberal white supremicist"? Per Marrisa?
How did they hit post on the one you are replying to here. And BLM is "the black tea party." Can't believe what I'm reading here.
sufrommich
(22,871 posts)KoKo
(84,711 posts)Martin O'Malley was targeted along with Bernie at NetRoots Nation but, O'Malley has given speeches at many gatherings and I've not seen reports of his speeches being disrupted by BLM.
So, sadly, it appears that Bernie is the only target for "BLM"to use disruption techniques against amongst the Dem Candidates. There are Seventeen or so Republicans running and it seems very odd that not one of them has been targeted when two of them could end up in the WH as President/VP. Why was "BLM" not protesting at "Red State Nation" this weekend? Why are they not protesting at the many Repub events where the TeaPartiers and RW Congregate?
Who is the bigger danger to "BLM" and their Movement--the Democrats or the Republicans? I have a hard time believing the "BLM" Movement is what it says it is if Bernie Sanders is their only target.
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)but I suspect that's not what you meant. Or was it?
Downwinder
(12,869 posts)#BlackLivesMatter is a hash tag.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)to say what you mean. Then I'd have a better idea of how
to reply.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)in any way concerned about the issue of Black lives. Sad to see such a serious issue being used as a political football, but no at all surprising, we've seen it before.
Btw, where were they BEFORE Bernie entered the race and Hillary was the ONLY candidate?
Glad we are in an era where these tactics no longer work.
It was a great rally, with the largest crowd of ANY candidate so far.
Go Bernie!
sgtbenobo
(327 posts)....Role-Model.
Thanks.
KoKo
(84,711 posts)whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)I'm pretty sure they think the system is broken. That having a black president did shit for them.
I don't agree but I'm a white guy so I should shut the fuck up I guess
aspirant
(3,533 posts)what are their #'s?
We've been shown unverifiable polls that 80% of the AA community supports Hillary. If they don't like any of the Dem candidates then that would put them in the other 20%.
Of that 20% how many are BLM members? Would anyone venture a guess, 1%-5%?
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)And they put it on their FB page.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-black-lives-matter_55c68f14e4b0923c12bd197e
"Bernie, you were confronted at NetRoots at by black women," Johnson said. "You have yet to put out a criminal justice reform package like OMalley did."
Apparently O'Malley has managed to produce a package that passed muster, so the other candidates should be able to, too.
(Hillary hasn't been speaking in venues where this kind of disruption could happen, but she also needs to listen to BLM and produce such a package, if she hasn't already. Not because of BLM and its demands, but because it's the right thing to do.)
Cha
(296,780 posts)Good to know, pnwmom, thank you.
Al Giordano knows this about what Martin O'Malley has done since #BlackLivesMatter came to Netroot Nation
"This Will Keep Happening Until Bernie Sanders Learns"
snip//
Instead too many of you are on Twitter right now whitesplaining and lecturing and talking down to black folks and people of all hues who happen to see this through the lens of the same team. Oh, yeah, that's a real bright idea for winning this campaign. Let's go on Twitter and troll the black people about how they don't understand Bernie.
Bernie handled it badly again today. He left the stage and went shaking hands among the white people in the crowd. He told a reporter that the protesters "don't want to listen to anything." Just like in Phoenix, he ran.
Contrast that will how Martin O'Malley handled the #BlackLivesMatter Protest in Phoenix .. he shut up. sat down and listened, and listened a lot more. Went through out to conference all the damn day seeking to listen to people of color who would talk to him. And, since then he has put out the most progressive and detailed policy proposals on controlling police violence, prison and criminal justice reform and related matters. You don't see people protesting at his rallies. They probably will soon enough but, he'll know how to respond unlike your guy."
Much more.. worth the read.. https://www.tsu.co/AlGiordano/75250428
pnwmom
(108,955 posts)KeepItReal
(7,769 posts)She RUNS Criminal Justice today.
BlackLivesMatters.com still has Eric Holder as the AG and makes no demand of what you mentioned. They just want some stats on police interactions with Black folks.
Fawke Em
(11,366 posts)pnwmom
(108,955 posts)connections.
Not the BLM. These particular women. One of them mentions Sarah Palin on her FB page. They are also connected with an anarchist group called Outside Agitators 206.
As Nadin has pointed out, this has a 1972 Karl Rove stink about it.
Regardless, the real BLM has real concerns and we should be listening hard to them. I'm glad Bernie put that on his website, and I'm waiting for Hillary to do so, too.
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MFrohike
(1,980 posts)That protest in Seattle was a terrible idea and threads like this equal it. There's enough real shit in this world without a goddamn witchhunt on the internet.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Oddly, it's not the front-runner, who has the greatest chance of winning the election and thus the greatest chance of enacting the changes sought by BLM.