Blaming Hillary.....

[BooScout]

....for BLM disrupting a Sanders event in Seattle......just leaves me shaking my head. Do you realize how silly that sounds???....and even sillier, to suggest disrupting her appearances in retaliation? OMG!

[Purveyor]

1. I would put nothing beyond the clinton 'war room'...eom

[Cha]

19. That says everything about you and nothing about Hillary's campaign.

[roguevalley]

99. explain how her greatest rival is the only one being targeted for all white atrocities.

I believe it.

[Agschmid]

21. Whole Foods has a great generic tinfoil, you want me to pick you up some?

I'm going later.

[BooScout]

23. Do they have extra strength?

[Agschmid]

25. Nah it's 365 brand so I imagine is basic...

Might not be as strong as some need.

[BooScout]

27. I need the kind ....

That can block radioactive transmissions.

[leveymg]

101. There have never been dirty tricks in American politics.

To conclude otherwise is just tinfoil. Right?

[BooScout]

102. To conclude HRC.....

...had one iota of something to do with what happened in Seattle today is wrong. EOM.

[leveymg]

104. Nixon was never proved to have ordered the Watergate breakin

But, that doesn't mean he was innocent.

Dirty tricks operations are always a step or two removed from the top.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

110. No Hillary fan here, but to accuse her of being complicit in this without even the slightest proof is absurd and only takes away from legitimate criticisms of Hillary's candidacy.

[Florencenj2point0]

113. you are saying Black people are weak minded

and easy to manipulate. Whatever Hillary wants they just "step and fetchit"?

[still_one]

78. Wonderful. This is the same garbage that has been done to President Obama for the past 8 years.

If you have substance that the Hillary campaign is behind this, then present it, otherwise you are just talking out of your ass

[Purveyor]

88. My 'ass' speaks volumes it seems as I'm not the only one with a memory of 2008. Carry on, indeed!

[still_one]

89. Any thoughts why BLM apologized for this to the Sander's campaign?

[Purveyor]

90. If THAT was on apology, I suspect they realized they shit in their own bed and the smell isn't

pleasant.

[still_one]

91. The reason I brought that up, was if it was a HRC conspiracy, an apology would not make sense

I think this was a few passionate people who realized it was counter productive what they did

If BLM has a rally to discuss abuses on African Americans in America, and someone tried to take over the rally, to talk about an entirely different subject, I have no doubt the organizers would be very disappointed

If it was a town hall, it would be understandable because town halls are open forums, however,
This was a rally to discuss Medicare and Social Security

[Hydra]

105. The apology was rescinded

As far as I know, this was a sanctioned and utterly unmistakable act on their part. Makes sense with everything that happened at Netroots and otherwise.

[still_one]

114. actually, this was different. Netroots was a town hall, and that could be viewed as an open forum.

The rally in question was specifically to address Medicare and Social Security

[Hydra]

116. There were some very odd things that happened with the Netroots event

That have been clarified by this one. Tactical error, you might say.

[Iliyah]

2. WTF?

[BooScout]

3. For proof.....

See the first response on this thread.

[sabrina 1]

4. They're her supporters and do NOT represent any of the people

who started the Ferguson protests that I have come to know for over a year now.

So yes, Hillary gets the blame.

Same way Bernie would get the blame if his supporters followed HER around announcing they were shutting down her event.

Very bad tactics

Once I saw it at Netroots Nation, it was clear.

[BooScout]

6. You have proof of this?

[dsc]

7. of course not

she just mutters clenis clenis clenis and that is her proof.

[sabrina 1]

14. Excuse me? I take it you are accusing me of something, not generally

allowed on this forum, especially against someone who fought the far right YOU are accusing me of being a member of, I take it, on behalf of the Clintons for years.

Is that all you have to defend these despicable tactics, to lash out at those you disagree with?

Now back to reality. Will these protesters do this to Hillary, HAVE they disrupted a Hillary event? No?

Then get back to us when they do, and your personal attacks only confirm my opinion and that of a growing number of people re the way this campaign is going.

[dsc]

26. If it quacks like a duck

you stated that the three women on that stage were supporters of Hillary with no proof whatsoever. Frankly I don't see how that is different from the tapes about Clinton murdering half of Arkansas.

[BooScout]

29. There's a tin foil run up thread....

Get you order in quick before it's too late

[sabrina 1]

47. Have you asked any them who they support? I HAVE. What did they say?

No answer. Won't answer that question. Lots of people have asked as it is the first thing that occurred to people, considering the last campaign, which an awful lot of people have not forgotten, including AAs, when the Hillary campaign tried similar tactics.

Yes, to quote you 'if it quacks like a duck' etc.

[dsc]

49. you asked the three ladies on stage who they support

can you tell me where and when you did this? I would like a direct link to you having done this.

[zappaman]

50. Lol!

Hope you're not holding your breath.

[sabrina 1]

57. ARe you serious? Lol!

[dsc]

59. Yes I most certainly am

Your post stated that the three ladies were supporters of Clinton. Words have meaning even when you are the one who has typed them.

[sabrina 1]

74. Serious about what? I said I asked who they supported, the protesters

at the NRN event, so did many, many people. I got answers to all of my questions, except that one.

Show me where I said I asked these particular three women.

But I will, you can be sure of that.

[dsc]

80. No where in your post or in the OP is netroots mentioned

in point of fact, the op mentions Seattle.

[BooScout]

112. Don't confuse the issue with facts....

Facts just gets in the way of blaming Hillary for all the troubles in the world.

[MineralMan]

69. When did you ask the three protesters that?

[Sheepshank]

115. This would not be the first time in very recent memory.......

......this particular poster has claimed inside knowledge of a serious national issue. And both times has had to back pedal. That 15 minutes so many seek, seems so elusive.

[zappaman]

45. Lol!

[sabrina 1]

58. Lol!

What I love most about the roly poly brigade is how behind the times they are regarding today's methods of communication.

Suits me fine, and I hope things remain that way.

[Cha]

20. they don't need any stinkin' proof for their CT..

[Ed Suspicious]

106. Real classy there.

[sabrina 1]

11. Hillary gets the blame, sorry. And she is, so if she doesn't like this, then she needs to

tell her supporters this is only harming HER.

[BooScout]

15. lol

Seriesly?!

[azurnoir]

18. So you admit this helps Hillary ?

but gosh it's just serendipity or something

[BooScout]

22. Does what help Hillary?

Conspiracy theories that it's all her fault that a Sander's appearance was disrupted by BLM? Or conspiracy theories that BLM is now working for Hillary?

Last time I checked, BLM was working for Black Lives Matter.

[azurnoir]

28. Does it help Hillary that Sanders is being targeted by BLM? ya know optics and all :)

the rest seems confabulation on your part

[BooScout]

33. I call them as I see them....

If someone is going to post silly conspiracy theories, it's my duty to save the world and stock up on tin foil!

[sabrina 1]

48. No, playing the race card, did it help her last time?

[Thinkingabout]

31. Hillary does not control her supporters any more than Bernie controls his supporters.

To say Hillary should be blamed for any disruption without any proof results in smearing Hillary, if you have proof Hillary is responsible for any of the interruptions then give proof.

[msrizzo]

77. But apparently it isn't harming her.

Since the only people who believe this are those that hate her anyway.

[sabrina 1]

81. I don't know anyone who hates Hillary. If you do, you should probably

discontinue your associations with them. People who 'hate' are not part of my circle of friends or acquaintances.

Anyhow, it appears BLM has apologized for what they refer to as a 'an error at the helm today'.

The group who did this started a new FB page yesterday. Considering that the real BLM movement has a huge online presence, there appears to be no reason for them to start another FB page.

It IS harming her. Last time it harmed her but with a lot of 'explaining' the moderator of NRN who received huge backlash from across the political spectrum for his part in the 'event', people chose to forget it, though suspicions remained had this not happened today, most people would have moved on.

Now, once again, people are rethinking their willingness to overcome their initial reactions and with the apology from BLM, it would be best for Hillary to distance herself publicly from today's event. But she's not my candidate, so not my problem.

[House of Roberts]

13. You won't see this at a Hillary event.

She has Secret Service protection. At The Ft. Lauderdale Urban League event if you left the hall between speeches, you couldn't get back in until the next speech was over. People that ran out to get a drink were kept out by the SS because Hillary hadn't left the building. They missed hearing Bernie speak there, and the event ran long, causing him not to be able to stay and do a presser.

[Iliyah]

5. Can't . . . and you know why.

[BooScout]

8. lol.....

You're a wise person!

[lunamagica]

9. It's beyond absurd. And do they really think that saying BLM are Clinton's puppets helps

their candidate?

[sabrina 1]

16. Have these protesters threatened to shut down Hillary's events? No?

Let us know when they stop attacking Hillary's most serious opponent.

[lunamagica]

17. You do know that she's protected by the SS, don't you? They know they can't get to her. eom

[sabrina 1]

43. What does that have to with anything? Have they TRIED, have they THREATENED

her campaign as they have her most serious opponent's?

It's not hard to get past the SS, did you know that?

[lunamagica]

66. No, I think you are wrong. Sanders needs to get better security.

[BooScout]

67. Not to mention a clue.

[lunamagica]

68. Yes indeed!

[mcar]

36. Logic 101

BLM hasn't protested HRC so they must be Hillary tools.

Something is missing in this equation, methinks.

[BooScout]

38. here ya go....

This will protect you >>>

[mcar]

41. I feel so much better!

Thanks.

[sabrina 1]

44. Oh there's more than that. Hillary IS getting the blame no matter how

it may seem to you, all over Social Media, not much anyone but HILLARY can do about that.

All she has to do is to state that this is not the way to get attention for this most serious issues and that her campaign condemns it.

Bernie handled it beautifully, btw, and it appears to be working FOR him, so that is good.

[BooScout]

51. wooooooo

That will impress everyone. Taking to twitter to tell the world that BLM is being directed by Hillary Clinton.....and all so she can 'get' Bernie!

[zappaman]

52. Social media blames Clinton!

[mcar]

53. Well if social media blames her

It must be true.

[BooScout]

60. I bet they started a poll on Facebook!

[Sheepshank]

122. I'm thinking there are plenty here that feed that social media talking point

Otherwise we are to believe they are just reading and never ever actually participating.

Employing the old Rovian tactic of stating an unsubstantiated talking point because it's more important to believe a lie than find out an uncomfortable truth.

[Sheepshank]

118. In addition to which.....

They haven't protested Walker...which can ONLY mean that Walker and Hillary are conspiring to beat Bernie? There are so many possibilities that we could come up with and NONE of them require a shred of evidence.

It is made very clear though, that everyone is a potential threat to Bernie, but none so much as Hillary therefore, it must be Hillary, because it's all about winning the POTUS seat and nothing to do with the BLM movement, because their black lives matter messaging is simply a diversion and political maneuvering for the upcoming political primary vote

[mcar]

120. The possible conspiracies are limitless, sheep

[Joe the Revelator]

30. You know whats really absurd?

That anytime people speak out over blatant bullshit being directly shoved at Bernie, they get this equally bullshit, passive agressive 'do they think this is helping' talking point thrown back at them.

[lunamagica]

34. No it's not absurd. The way his supporters react does NOT help him at all. eom

[azurnoir]

10. why is Sanders being targeted? Is BLM too intimidated by Hillary's Secret Service guards?

and yes Hillary as a former FLOTUS get's 24/7 Secret Service protection

[Thinkingabout]

35. Perhaps Bernie should take some time to listen to the BLM group.

Actually O'Malley was interrupted longer than Bernie was at Netroots meeting.

[mcar]

37. What a concept!

But no, it must be something else.

[azurnoir]

40. this time in Seattle from what I've read, BLM was not there for a dialogue

After speeches by U.S. Rep Adam Smith and Seattle City Councilmember Kshama Sawant, a handful of Black Lives Matter protesters took the stage, first demanding to speak, then demanding silence from the crowd. As some urged protesters to let the senator speak, one activist on stage said they were proving they were “white supremacist liberals.”

http://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/black-lives-matter-protesters-shut-down-bernie-sanders-rally/

and more here

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/250667-protesters-interrupt-bernie-sanders-rally

[sabrina 1]

54. Did Hillary ever apologize for her grossly insensitive remark at a Black

Church, which as many AAs said at the time, showed that she did not even KNOW there was a movement which formed out of the Ferguson protests.

Strange isn't it, that a couple of people from the literally thousands who are involved in this movement, are not at all concerned about Hillary's total lack of knowledge or her willingness to LISTEN to the outrage that is still ongoing towards her for that revelation.

As many of those who were in the Church and from the movement stated at the time, 'she only comes here when she wants our votes'.

I can certainly link to many of the sites where AAs expressed their outrage, and yet, here we have a few claiming to represent all AAs, totally not concerned with ONE candidate, but fixated on the one with the best and longest record on Civil Rights.

Something doesn't add up here. And THAT is the general takeaway from this.

So maybe the Hillary campaign needs to distance themselves from this before they do it again and again they will be blamed.

[Thinkingabout]

56. Not familiar with the event you are referring.

[senz]

75. So...they're ONLY protesting Hillary's rivals? Hmm. Doesn't look too good for her, does it?

[Control-Z]

76. I haven't been able to view the video

on my phone for some reason. Did Sanders speak with the women, or try to respond to them? From what I've read he walked off the stage. It may have been more chaotic than I'm imagining but I don't understand why he doesn't stay and show some patience and leadership. Now he may have tried, I don't know, but reports say he quit. He seems to wash his hands of things unpleasant to him.

ETA: It would probably be a good idea for Sanders to hire a private security detail. It's not unheard of to have security during the primaries.

[JI7]

12. they should probably ask for more security

Blm targets obama also but are not able to get near him because of security.

Hillary probably has similar.

Sanders is easier to get to.

[Cha]

24. "Poll Shows Why Black Lives Matter Activists Should Be Proud"

snip//

The poll saw increases in the number of blacks, whites and Hispanics who felt more changes were needed. In 2014, only 39 percent of whites said more needed to be done. In 2015, that number jumped to 53 percent. For blacks, the numbers increased from 79 percent to 86 percent, and for Hispanics, 54 percent to 70 percent.

Pew surveyed 2,002 adults between July 14 and July 20, using live interviewers to reach both landlines and cell phones.

A Washington Post survey, released Wednesday, asked the same question as the Pew Research Center and got very similar results.

The Pew poll comes after a year of heightened Black Lives Matter activism, including numerous rallies, die-ins and acts of civil disobedience. A Gallup poll released Tuesday showed comparable results.

More..
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/poll-black-lives-matter-activists_55c24a2de4b0d9b28f0525e9?utm_hp_ref=black-voices&kvcommref=mostpopular&ncid=tweetlnkushpmg00000051

Boo, you have to consider the source of those acting out in such a manner.

[mcar]

32. Thank you Boo

[George II]

39. It's idiotic to blame Clinton for BLM's issues with Sanders. Do those who claim that....

....really think that "her" involvement would remain a secret if it was true?

Sadly some just can't take responsibility for the lack of/weak policies of their candidate.

[restorefreedom]

79. weak policies, yep

even since way back when....

:large

[George II]

82. And shortly after he marched with MLK, Sanders travelled to Israel.....

....for an undetermined period of time (and undetermined reason), then when he returned he went up to Burlington Vermont which, at the time, was rife with racial injustice and discord.

Meanwhile Hillary turned 18, then 19, any beyond and eventually became First Lady of Arkansas, helping her husband turn that state blue for a while. Of course, the rest is history.

So, nice graphic, but I'd put Hillary Clinton's record against Bernie Sanders' record anytime.

[restorefreedom]

83. and i would put bernie's record right back

plus bernie has the added feature of being for income equality for all races and not being beholden to his corporate tax cheatin' donors

[George II]

84. That's your right, but....

....from the mid-60s until he was elected to Congress in 1989, just what was his record on racial injustice and racial equality in a town of less than 40,000 which is virtually mono-racial?

He could very easily have stayed in Brookly NY where there really WERE serious racial issues and pursued that perceived record that everyone talks about, but that was not a priority for him, eh?

[restorefreedom]

93. all i can say to that is this

http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_record_on_civil_and_human_rights_partner/

[George II]

94. I've seen that before....a lot of vagueries and subjectivity. Legislation?

[restorefreedom]

95. you specifically complained about the time he was mayor

so i tried to provide a comprehensive overview of his outstanding record. i am sure his senatorial acts are available if you want to read them. that was not the initial issue however.

[George II]

97. Well, with your graphic you were boasting about their comparitive activity in the 1960s....

....that was 50+ years ago. Other than vague subjectivity, I haven't seen much since.

[restorefreedom]

98. then your eyes must be closed

have a nice evening...

[Rosa Luxemburg]

42. She went after Obama too remember

kitchen sink.

[azurnoir]

46. she who?

[Cha]

61. Enough of your CT.. this is about #BlackLivesMatter.. Not BS, not Hillary, not President Obama.

[BooScout]

63. Thank you!

Finally someone who is making sense!

[Cha]

64. Mahalo to you for making this thread, Boo!

[BooScout]

65. And to you....

For keeping it real.

[Motown_Johnny]

55. If she starts holding big events, and the same thing

happens to her. Then it will be clear that it is not Hillary supporters (not her or her campaign itself, I don't think anyone really believes that).

On the other hand, if it does happen to her then odds are it is BLM.

She really should speak out against these disruptions. She is a much more tempting target since she is the leading candidate.

[BooScout]

62. Why doesn't Bernie speak out about them?

Do you want Hillary to hold his hand and make it all better for him?

Tell the Bern to man-up and deal with it.

[TheProgressive]

70. Sounds like a Clinton Political Hit Job...

...because Hillary Clinton is Desperate because she is losing....

[BooScout]

71. yes all the polls showing her....

In the 50's and 60's to Bernie's consistent teens sure do convince me she's losing.

[TheProgressive]

72. The DNC knows not to have many debates... Know why?

Soon as they compare Clinton to Sanders....bye bye Hillary.... Just like in 2008...

[BooScout]

73. Well go sign the petition then....

Or go tell it on Twitter! That will make folks take you seriesly!

[Ed Suspicious]

107. You seem like a real shit stirrer. Is that the case?

I hope not because it doesn't further dialogue.

[lunamagica]

85. Then it should just take one, right? One debate to have Sanders wipe the floor with Hillary

Why the need for six, and more? if EVERYONE will fall for Sanders after the first debate, why the desperation to have more than six?

Oh, and BTW, Sanders is no Obama...

[TheProgressive]

86. Typical Clinton/DNC response...

Repetition is key and Clinton/DNC know that.

Some people might not watch the 1st debate. People will talk. Noting
the obvious differences between a real Democrat, Sanders, and Hillary.

People will tune into the ore debates.

DNC taking a play right out of the republican play book - cheat as much as possible.

And you are absolutely right - Sanders is no Obama... Sanders is a FDR candidate right out of the box.

[lunamagica]

92. You are really giving to much weight to the debates

I think they can change things when the difference in polls between the candidates is less than 10%

But to think that Sanders will jump 40% plus with debates? that highly unlikely. I mean what do you think will happen? People who watch debates are already familiar with the candidates platforms. There won't be any bombshells thrown. Most people watch just to affirm what they already believe.

And anyway, my post was a response to your ridiculous claim that Hillary is losing. When called on the absurdity of your claim, you bring up debates which are months away.

At this point, now, TODAY Saying that Hillary is losing, when she's 40% plus ahead, is just laughable. As laughable as claiming that what happened today was "A political hit job"

Please

[davidn3600]

87. We'll see if BLM tries to knock Hillary off stage

If they are ignoring her and attacking everyone else... what do you think people will think? You'll have conspiracy theories galore. And a lot of people will pledge not to vote for Hillary.

[aikoaiko]

96. Her silence is complicity. Isnt that how it goes?

[ericson00]

100. fringe candidates, fringe thinking

and of course, blaming the Clintons

[NanceGreggs]

103. Notice that the same people ...

... who have been blaming Obama for everything since 2009 are a lot of the same people who now blame Hillary for everything?

Just coincidence, I'm sure.

[Bobbie Jo]

108. Totally. nt

[BooScout]

119. I also noticed.....

That quite a few of these people wind up morphing into Name Removed after their moment in the sun. I wonder why?

[ericson00]

111. here's a solution: Lets have Kenneth W. Starr investigate it

I mean I bet Hillary's as guilty over this as the people Starr witch hunted 20 years ago over a failed land deal...

[cherokeeprogressive]

117. Not retaliation; consistency.

[Adrahil]

121. I heard she personally murdered Vince Foster too...

I would put nothing beyond the Clinton "War Room."

[riversedge]

123. I once heard she swatted a fly in IOWA.

[workinclasszero]

124. Guilty until proven innocent if its about Hillary

Sad to see democrats going down this road.

Right out of the hard right playbook.