"Hillary Clinton Has A 'White Liberal' Problem That Will Help Bernie Sanders"

[villager]

The new talking point among political wonks who never imagined Bernie Sanders possibly winning Iowa and New Hampshire, or seriously battling Clinton for the Democratic nomination, is a belief that Vermont's Senator only appeals to "white liberals." Therefore, let's forget for a moment that Killer Mike, Lil B The Based God, Dr. Cornell West, African-Americans for Bernie, Black Women 4 Bernie, Blacks for Bernie, Latinos for Bernie, and so many other Americans of all ethnic backgrounds are voting for Sanders in 2016. Let's also omit Clinton's 3 AM political ad against Obama in 2008 from the equation, or the fact that Harvard sociologist Orlando Patterson stated, "The ad could easily have removed its racist sub-message by including images of a black child, mother or father." Furthermore, before discussing Sanders's appeal to white liberals (noticed ominously by certain white liberals) or Hillary's charisma to everyone else, let's not mention the fact that Bill Clinton believes he made the issue of mass incarceration worse, or that Bill Clinton executed a mentally disabled black man named Ricky Ray Rector on his way to the presidency, or that the former president was forced in 2008 to say, "I am not a racist."

The issue pertaining to the latest concern about Sanders completely ignores that his policies, from a $15 minimum wage to reinstating Glass-Steagall and advocating a foreign policy that ends America's involvement in never-ending wars, will help all Americans, especially minority voters. In contrast, Clinton balked at a $15 minimum wage, doesn't back a renewed Glass-Steagall, and her foreign policy has been called "necon" by a conservative historian. Ultimately, the belief that Sanders has any problem at all with minority voters is a flawed notion rooted more in Clinton's overwhelming name recognition at this point in the 2016 presidential race. The more that people learn about Sanders, and conversely the more that Democrats and progressives evaluate Hillary Clinton's positions on major issues like war and Wall Street (or at least the stances she's willing to articulate), the issue of polling among non-white voters within the Democratic party will begin to reflect a major shift towards Sanders.

<snip>

As for the view that Sanders needs to somehow "broaden his appeal beyond white liberals," the assumption here is that Sanders doesn't appeal to non-white liberals. If this were true, then a Bloomberg article titled Bernie Sanders Finds Warm Welcome in Louisiana, A Red State, wouldn't quote the Vermont Senator speaking more honestly about race than any other candidate in 2016:

Near the end of his speech, Sanders turned to racial inequality to discuss Sandra Bland, a 28-year-old black woman who was found dead in a Texas jail this month after being arrested during a traffic stop.
"When an African-American woman gets yanked out of her car--" Sanders said, before being interrupted by nearly half a minute of loud cheers from the crowd at the mention of the Bland story. Last weekend, Sanders faced protests by Black Lives Matter activists who called on the senator to say Bland's name.

"When that happens, and when we all know that wouldn't have happened to a middle-class white woman, we know that we need some serious change in criminal justice in this country," he said.

Who in 2016 would say "we all know that wouldn't have happened to a middle-class white woman" or address the double standard that exists in American society in such a direct statement? In addition, certainly no other presidential candidate in America, Democrat or Republican in 2016, would echo Sander's belief that "we have to apologize for slavery."

<snip>

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/hillary-clinton-has-a-white-liberal-problem-that-will-help-bernie-sanders_b_7910526.html

[DanTex]

1. Meh. The "minorities are all about name recognition" meme died several weeks ago.

H.A. Goodman. Isn't this the same lunatic who said that Hillary is "terrified" of a guy who trails him by 40% in the polls?

[villager]

2. You probably wouldn't feel obliged to use terms like "lunatic," if everything was well....

...on the Hillary side.

[DanTex]

3. You mean as in "Donald Trump is a lunatic"? You think that spells panic somehow?

Interesting...

[villager]

4. Um, did I post something written by Donald Trump?

I somehow missed that part.

[DanTex]

7. Did you? I don't know. Not that I know of.

[villager]

10. Exactly.

n/t

[DanTex]

11. Right on!

[villager]

16. Thanks!

[virtualobserver]

33. Twirling....always Twirling n/t

[Scootaloo]

6. Sure seems to be a lot of effort on the part of yourself and others to shitbag a "non-threat"

One would imagine that if Sanders were so far off the radar, you and your fellows would spend your time actually singing the virtues of Clinton instead of your constant, bug-eyed squealing about sanders. You guys talk about the man more than we do, and the Bernie Sanders group recently overtook the Barack Obama group in number of posts.

[DanTex]

8. Yeah, posting on DU, it's hard work...

[Scootaloo]

12. Well, more effort goes into making constant OP's shitbagging Sanders, than NOT doing so.

And you obviously feel it's effort worth making, so...

[DanTex]

54. Actually, most of my posts are defending Hillary from lies and smears.

For example, this OP right here. Hillary has huge support among minorities and this jackass is writing that she has a "white liberal" problem. It's not a coincidence that the guy who wrote it is a Rand Paul fan.

[MADem]

103. It's not a coincidence that the guy who wrote it is a Rand Paul fan.

Can't be repeated often enough:

It's not a coincidence that the guy who wrote it is a Rand Paul fan.


Why would ANYONE bring Rand Paul shit here?

Why?




Some things are just way too...apparent, I guess!!!

Once more, with feeling:

It's not a coincidence that the guy who wrote it is a Rand Paul fan.

[rhett o rick]

75. Wow what a come back. nm

[villager]

13. All the name-calling and denigrating belies the "no worries" they stridently insist they have

"Interesting," to quote them.

[arcane1]

15. Indeed, it's a waste of precious hours, all for a guy who "can't win"

[artislife]

78. If only they would expend this much effort

On something of merit.

But they love the middle. They drive 62 in a 60 zone just to feel the rush.

[Ed Suspicious]

98. I like O'Malley, but you just don't see the fiery rhetoric about that candidate. Could it be his

relative cause for concern? I think they be a bit worried.

[beam me up scottie]

51. "instead of your constant, bug-eyed squealing about sanders"

Hit the nail on the head.

Did you see the desperate attempt to prove that no poc were at the San Diego event in villager's op last night?

Epic. Fail.

[A Simple Game]

53. They would sing the virtues of Clinton but they know it would be futile.

Clinton has been running for President for so long that her supporters know what support she has is all she can ever expect to have. If anyone wants to support Hillary, they are already doing so. She has no more support to gain, she can only lose support which is exactly what she is doing now.

Hillary peaked before Bernie and the others entered the race. Her supporters can only hope to stem the flow of defectors.

[artislife]

79. Hillary 2016----Because you don't want things to change

[sufrommich]

9. Before he was a Sanders supporter he was a huge Rand Paul

supporter.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-president-rand-paul-w_b_6150868.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-a-liberal-democrat-im_b_6169542.html

I get the impression he's an Anyone But Hillary kind of guy.

[villager]

14. And Hillary was a Goldwater supporter.

n/t

[sufrommich]

18. When she was 17. This guy was supporting Rand Paul

less than a year ago.

[villager]

19. So... you're saying people change?

Or is that something you allow only for certain people?

[sufrommich]

23. I'm saying there's a big difference between what a 17 year old

believed 5 decades ago and what this guy believed last November.

[villager]

25. Then again, Hillary supported Eugene McCarthy by '68 evidently

So she does change, and continues to do so, through the years.

Which is something that does happen to people.

The question is how often, or how much do they change? Are they good changes, or not? And do public pronouncements tend to come from a core wellspring of beliefs, whether certain candidates, groups, etc., at the moment serve those beliefs to the fullest at the time, or not?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

41. Now, now, now my friend...

There is a huge difference in altering one's beliefs in his or her thirties and forties and altering one's belief in his or her teens. It reminds me of Henry Hyde reacting to the discovery during the Lewinsky brouhaha that he made a cuckold of his best friend when he was in his thirties and attributing it to a "youthful indiscretion."

[villager]

49. Well, okay -- you and I, at least, know we can *discuss* these things.

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There are two issues here:

What, in the OP itself, specifically, is H.A. Goodman wrong about? I would like to hear that on its merits.

As for the "attack the messenger" side, yes, he definitely wrote some columns supporting Paul, before he changed his mind. He's also written numerous columns on the racism of American cops, the need to not back down to Netanyahu, needing to factor in the "costs" of climate change in business decisions, etc. (by which I mean -- the vastly higher costs of doing nothing about it -- and you can find these easily).

Are all those to be dismissed?

And further, what does this mean when Hillary "refines" her opinions and positions at the present moment?

What about when her husband admits he was wrong in his approach to "justice?" He wasn't a teenage President.

Since there is much in H.A. Goodman's body of work that reflect general DU consensus (it's easily findable), I'm a little skeptical of isolating that one aspect of his writings (which we are all free to disagree with) for the simple sake of avoiding meaningful discussion here.

Be well!

[Scuba]

87. She's still buds with Pete Peterson, Henry Kissinger and a bunch of other atrocious people.

Or does that not matter to you?

[daybranch]

95. Kissinger helped Nixon destroy Johnson's Peace Plan

This resulted in thousands more young Americans dying as the war was continued. I can never find any sympathy for anyone who associates with a traitor for political ambition. I consciously meant that Kissinger betrayed our people for political ambition but subconsciously I may have meant Hillary as well.
I think as a born again Christian that every time Hillary speaks of being a Christian , she should read what the Bible says about serving two masters and thinking about how her major donors grind the face of the poor.

[Scuba]

97. +1

[jfern]

119. And Bill Clinton and George W Bush seem to be best friends

[lunamagica]

50. Actually, she was 16

The absurdity of comparing a girl in er mid-teens to someone in their forties is just mind-boggling

[villager]

52. So.. when she changes/refines her positions and opinions now....

...what does that mean?

[lunamagica]

55. I don't know...what about when Bernie does it?

Like, for example, he voted against comprehensive immigration reform less than ten yeas ago, and now he is all for it?

[villager]

59. In other words, people can change, and their positions can evolve?

Hillary? Bernie? Various journalists?

[SwampG8r]

72. She was president of college Republicans at Wellesley

Hardly 16

[onehandle]

88. Where she gave it up at age 21 to become a Democrat.

She was a Republican because her family was Republican, then she grew up.

Elizabeth Warren was a Republican well into her 40s.

Oh noes!

[Ed Suspicious]

99. Those roots run deep. That's why she's socially liberal/fiscally conservative.

[SwampG8r]

117. But not 16 as was claimed

Her turn at Wellesley is one of the few moments of her life I approve of
Why do hrc supporters shy away from it?
Is it because it's a definingly progressive moment the right wing of the party hates?
Read up on it if you haven't and flip ahead to graduation day 2 years later.
That is a Hillary I WOULD run gladly to the polls to vote for.

[George II]

89. Don't you people ever get tired of repeating that 51 year old story?

[DanTex]

17. Good find. So one of the most popular Hillary-bashers on DU is a Paulite. Hmm.

Does "Paulite" refer to Ron Paul only or also Rand? Would this make him a "Junior Paulite"?

[villager]

20. Has it ever occurred to you to respond to anything *actually in the OP*?

Rhetorical question, of course.

[bunnies]

21. H. A. Goodman is a DUer?

Whats his screen name?

[DanTex]

24. I didn't mean he is a DUer, I meant he is popular on DU, i.e. DUers like him a lot.

Many of the Hillary-bashing OPs are links to his columns on huffpo.

[villager]

26. "If Sandra Bland Were a White Woman, Statistics Show She'd Be Alive Today"

That's an H.A. Goodman piece from last week.

You're free to disagree, of course.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/if-sandra-bland-were-a-white-woman_b_7847180.html

[DanTex]

29. I agree with that. The Hillary-bashing Paulite stuff, not so much.

Not sure why the Hillary-bashers keep going back to the Paulite for their material. A little odd, no?

[villager]

31. So you agree with the "Paulite," eh?

Here's his piece on "Why America Needs Federal Legislation Protecting Black Citizens From Aggressive Law Enforcement Tactics"

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-america-needs-federal_b_7877370.html

[DanTex]

32. Seems like when he's not talking about presidential candidates, he's not so much of a loon.

[villager]

34. Ah, so you just save the "loon" card for when you *personally* disagree.

Well, heck, who doesn't love a good blanket statement?

[DanTex]

36. Anyone who supports Rand Paul has shown pretty serious judgement issues.

That doesn't mean that every single word out of his mouth is going to be loony. But some of them certainly are.

I'm sure you can find a sentence or two that Trump has uttered that everyone would agree with.

[villager]

38. "Why the South Carolina Church Rampage Represents a Terrorist Threat Worse Than ISIS"

These aren't "sentences or two."

At least try to be honest, when you post here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/why-dylann-roofs-south-ca_b_7620980.html

[bunnies]

27. oh. I see.

You confused me a bit there. Not hard to do on a Friday.

[DanTex]

30. Yeah, probably should have said "among DUers" or something like that.

[freshwest]

84. They're both Paulites. The spawn of Ron is working out Pappy's revenge for losing the election 2Xs.

Lot of pent up rage there. They hate anyone that opposed them then or opposes them now.

[Number23]

82. Damn. Just... damn.

Thread is now dead. Long live this thread.

And the fact taht someone just brought up Hillary's Goldwater Girl moment from 50 years ago does nothing but prove how completely derailed this thread now is.

[freshwest]

83. Walks like a Paul, talks like a Paul, acts like a Paul. Yeah, he's got that special fragrance.

Let's see what is going on and who's deflecting from the good. The negative campaigning must be exposed for informed choices. The GOP's Operation Chaos 2016 wil not wait until 2016. Gotta plant those seeds early for a harvest next year.

I hope the campaign dumps this stink bug to focus on Bernie's message, which is a great one, or it'll take down his ideals along with him. Whether he succeeds in becoming POTUS, I want those ideals to stay in the public mind to change the country.

We've made a lot of progress changing the public conscience under Obama. People think differently about the MIC, wars, healthcare, income equality, the rights of women and minorities and it's long overdue.

[lewebley3]

102. Yes, you are right this post H Goodman,just making things for Sanders

[99th_Monkey]

5. K&R - All it takes is a little perspective

to see who the most progressive & trustwothyt candidate is in this race.

[Juicy_Bellows]

22. It should be self evident.

If people want to argue that she can better win the general, fair enough. If people want to argue who is more liberal or progressive you're selling a pant load of bullshit if you say Hillary over Bernie. The former I can understand. The latter, well they're either taking the piss or never were liberal or progressives to begin with.

[villager]

28. Hell, if they would even just *discuss an OP* -- for once -- that'd be a significant/refreshing

...change.

Their wearisome attempt at McCarthyite tactics viz. messengers, headlines, etc., just reveals how bankrupt of actual ideas they really are....

[Juicy_Bellows]

35. That would be nice!

I'm all for honest discussion! Cheers!

[villager]

37. let's not hold our breath, however

We'd both wind up passed out on the floor.

[Juicy_Bellows]

40. Haha!

I don't know why but Creepshow popped in my head with Leslie Neilson screaming "I can hold my breath a long time!" If I were home, I'd link a pic. Cheers!

[Tommy2Tone]

39. He'll be done soon

and most of those chickens will come home to roost.

[NCTraveler]

42. Brought to you by friends of Rand Paul. nt.

[villager]

43. "If Sandra Bland Were a White Woman, Statistics Show She'd Be Alive Today"

That's an H.A. Goodman piece from last week.

You're free to disagree, of course.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/if-sandra-bland-were-a-white-woman_b_7847180.html

[heaven05]

45. statistics, my ass

white privilege would and does guarantee that she would be alive today, if she was a white woman, man or child.

[villager]

47. So you agree with the thesis.

Good.

[NCTraveler]

86. Make it an op.

As it stands, it is not germane and is a one hundred percent deflection with respect to your veiled attack from the right. Though I will say I have more respect for deflection.

[freshwest]

85. LOL, what a political circus! On that guffaw, I'll call it a night. Thank, NCT. n/t

[heaven05]

44. in that La. visit

audiences were essentially the same as they have been during this early run...not too diverse. Definitely no AA's front and center in that audience, a sprinkling. That's it. As is usual at his events. I think since #BlackLivesMatter and NetRoots, the BS security and handlers are a little gun shy about facing AA and wanting AA votes, or for that matter even caring about appealing to those voters.

[jeff47]

69. Yes, look at just how diverse this pic from Little Rock is.

(Little Rock is a little under 50% African-American.)

[heaven05]

71. still doesn't matter

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the bern is not heating up the AA community. I really don't want HRC, BUT I will give her my vote, 2008, notwithstanding and all her and billieboys dog whistles in her campaign. I know she doesn't give a damn about POC. Period. But the a good percentage of bern supporters here, as a prime example, are berning his bridges for him, he just tops it off with his campaign staffing and audience appeal to a certain demographic while another demographic just ain't feeling, can't feel the bern. What a joke this campaign season is going to be. When it all comes down, whether it's BS or HRC, the vote will be, once again, it seems for the lessor of two evils. All of you make me laugh at your obvious blindness to the reality of this upcoming choice of candidate and who they both really represent in our societies racial demographic. I'm not fooled by HRC, and neither am I fooled by sanders....they are the usual politicians with the same agendas for the privileged and who set a low priority on issues that daily affect the POC in this society.

[jeff47]

73. Yeah, damn bastard fooling us all by talking about it for years.

My only suggestion is take a look at what all 3 top-runners actually say on "unfiltered" places like their web sites, and use that. You guys played a huge role in disrupting "inevitable" in 2008. You could play a huge role in disrupting the status quo in 2016.

And that doesn't necessarily mean voting for any candidate I like. Crush them in the election if they deserve it.

[heaven05]

91. He's still on track, in the real world

to lose the nomination. That is still a distinct possibility. Per your "suggestion" as to where to go and what to look at, been there, am doing that consistently. All of you can rationalize till the cows come home, it just won't matter. I like sanders integrity, principle and honesty. Yes, he does have many POC that are listening to him, hell I tell many myself to come here and view the vids of his speeches and to especially look at the general demographics of his audiences and stills of the audience demographic makeup at his events. Many have come to the same conclusion as I. His 'first priority', it seems, is to speak to whites about economic issues, overwhelming college debt, jobs, fair wage, ect. That's really the only problem that demographic is facing, since Reagan. Yeah, Reagan hurt them too, a lot can't and won't admit that their great savior put the RW hate machine screw to them too. Reagan's policies were designed on purpose, to be able to point to "welfare queens" and agitate the anger they knew would be generated in poorer whites, who by the way were/are on "food stamps" and "public assistance" themselves in the more generally backward areas of america, but not exclusively. The RW has applied that strategy since the atwater-nixon 'Southern Strategy' and in one manner or other are still applying it with the powerful control their news media has in america today over their rather backward base of voters.

This 'first priority' strategy by the BS campaign handlers is understandable because, to his campaign, white lives/votes do matter, no argument. To be fair, lately I and many of my friends and cohorts have noticed a shift in BS strategy, tactics and WORDS since the #BlackLivesMatter and the NetRoots dust up. It is now economics, jobs and racial justice instead of economics and jobs solving racial injustice. Admirable. Both, in that context works. Yet there is still that kernel of nagging doubt as to purpose and reason outside the just plain political common sense of garnering more votes from people who care that #BlackLivesMatter. HRC has, in the recent past, shown her racial bonifieds, and at least she's up front about her dislikes and priorites. 2008 campaign dog whistling was an eye opening example. I will never forgive that shit. While the old saying goes keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer, I can apply this to the two front runners of the Democratic primary race. Bernie has not "talked" about racial injustice for years, he didn't have to address it given his constituent demographic makeup, but he is not an enemy in the classic sense as was shown by HRC. A friend yes, BUT a friend that has generated justified doubts as to the depth of that 'friendship'.


Marching 50 years ago for racial and social justice, honorable. I will never denigrate that effort. Yet, as the song goes..."what has he done for me lately"? Just trying to give a clearer view of my take on my 'new friend'.

[jalan48]

46. Hillary's evasiveness, combined with her baggage are weighing her down.

Voters see evasiveness as dishonesty and it's an issue she will need to overcome if she wants to be President.

[villager]

48. You see that same evasiveness in her supporters here. They can answer nothing directly.

They obfuscate with personal attacks and derailments. Constantly. No discussion of any issue. No give-and-take on the merits of an issue, etc.

[MisterP]

67. well, when you have nothing and didn't expect any real challenge ...

[beam me up scottie]

56. K&R and not just for the article, the shrieking coming from her supporters is hillarious.

Instead of finding something positive to post about their candidate they are once again trying to shut down the conversation by attacking anyone who is critical of Hillary.

How DARE you?

[leftofcool]

60. You can attack her all you want

Goodness knows there is enough drummed up scandal on DU for you to choose from.

[beam me up scottie]

62. "Goodness knows there is enough drummed up scandal on DU for you to choose from."

There are plenty of important issues that are being dismissed as "drummed up scandals".

When HC supporters call every article a hit piece you know they're either desperate to prevent us from discussing those issues or completely clueless.

[leftofcool]

77. I don't see anyone trying to prevent you from posting anything

Like I said, feel free. Any hit piece will do.

[beam me up scottie]

80. I don't post "hit pieces" on Dem candidates.

I don't post in threads that unfairly smear them and I certainly don't rec them.

I'm not the hypocrite here.

[villager]

61. So many of them seem so incapable of responding directly to anything *in an OP*

It's puzzling. To say the least.

Though it may be far more than that.

[beam me up scottie]

63. Why aren't they posting positive articles about their candidate?

Are there really so few of them?

I'm glad Bernie supporters don't have that problem.

[heaven05]

94. sanders supporters do the same thing

especially to POC..how dare you!!!!!!!!!!

[rtracey]

57. hmmmm really?

So and who is polling higher in the democratic race? or will I get blocked because this is an another Bernie Sanders is perfect safe haven group....

[fbc]

58. When the "unelectable" excuse goes away, Hillary supporters are going to have to choose their side.

Are they on the side of the people?

Or are they on the side of corporations and too-big-to-fail banks?

If it's the latter, there's already a party for that and they have plenty of candidates to choose from.

[NorthCarolina]

96. I seriously doubt

Clinton loyalists would ever get behind a true liberal candidate like Sanders. They will only back a corporatist with a faux Liberal facade. If Sanders gets beyond the Diebold block and becomes the Democratic candidate I suspect they will be looking elsewhere for their champion.

[NobodyHere]

64. How did Hilary's 3am phone call contain a racist sub message?

[George II]

65. Where I am there's a majority of "white liberals" (nothing like "profiling", eh?)......

....none of them have a problem with Hillary Clinton. But they're all Democrats.

[heaven05]

93. how's it feel?

getting "profiled" that is. Oh I forgot, only POC are instantly profiled. Nothing to worry about. You're still safe.

[moobu2]

66. H. A. Goodman, the guy who wrote that article

is nothing more than a propagandist for Bernie Sanders. Look at all the other BS propaganda he's written for HP.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/

[villager]

74. So by that definition, anyone who writes positively about Hillary is a "propagandist." Right?

[moobu2]

90. If all the writer wrote were articles praising Hillary Clinton

and criticizing her opponents I would think they were. Yes.

[villager]

100. So we should agree then that such articles by anyone who clearly supports a given candidate...

...should never be posted here then. Yes?

[sabrina 1]

68. It's a Rovian talking point, that's all. And it's beginning to really harm Hillary whether it is

her fault or not that her supporters, mostly white who are suddenly 'concerned' about something that has gone on for decades, are up to.

Race baiting, Red baiting, whatever it takes, I suppose. But people are sick of it.

What do THEY intend to do to stop the decades long murders of AAs by cops in this country?

I can post names of innocent AAs from several decades ago who were murdered by cops and wonder, why was this not ended as soon as it began?

What have either party DONE to put a stop to it?

There is now a petition asking the FEDERAL GOVERNMENT to get involved in the latest two murders of AAs.

WHY does this criminal behavior NEED a petition? Why has the Federal Govt NOT stepped in decades ago to protect AAs from police brutality and murder?

Did these people just DISCOVER this outrageous issue?

Shameful imo, to try to turn something as serious as this into nothing more than campaign fodder.

[heaven05]

92. you are right

so right.....

[Spitfire of ATJ]

70. Good thing them white libruls are a lazy lot.

[L0oniX]

76. K & R

[Thinkingabout]

81. Oh, really, Hillary has a white liberal problem, so says H A Goodman, I say she doesn't have a white

Liberal or a POC liberal problem. Seems like Goodman left off his proof except for Rovian quotes. Yep, sounds like a good libertarian proof, apparently a no proof article is good enough for them.

[lewebley3]

101. Hillary doesn't have a white liberal problem: She has most of liberal vote now!

Sanders people are becoming nasty, but they
are minority.

In every measurement Hillary has a Marjory of voters.

[Phlem]

104. Bernie is a non threat.

That's why they must shit bag him every moment they get.

Dur da dur der dur.

[villager]

105. Kinda strange, ain't it? The need to attack, attack, attack...

...someone, some campaign, which is not supposed to matter at all....?

[Phlem]

108. It will get worse.

guaranteed.

[villager]

109. It would appear they just can't help themselves!

[ChiciB1]

106. Just Giving This A KICK... Posted At Bernie Forum Already! n/t

[villager]

107. Thanks!

[MADem]

110. 67 recs for an article written by a RAND PAUL supporter! DU certainly has some interesting

characters here, lately....

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/h-a-goodman/im-a-liberal-democrat-im_b_6169542.html

[Phlem]

111. ooooooh what exactly are the implications?

Mass ignorance? Cause everyone's wrong when they don't agree with you?

Cause I didn't even read the article. Just the thread.

[MADem]

112. I hope you got it on your first try....! Because the alternative would require an Orkin man....

Ignorance is a much nicer reason than mendacity, I'd say, wouldn't you? I think most of us would be very forgiving were that the case:

Don't be a wingnut (right-wing or extreme-fringe).

Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here. Neither are certain extreme-fringe left-wingers, including advocates of violent political/social change, hard-line communists, terrorist-apologists, America-haters, kooks, crackpots, LaRouchies, and the like.

It's not about ME, you see--it's about the DU TOS, which we all agree to abide by as a condition of membership here. Anyone trying to make it about me is simply desperately trying to deflect from the actual point to preserve a very unfortunate association with someone who doesn't share the site's goals.

[Phlem]

113. Good luck enforcer!

May the hides be with you.

But I am not a Paulite, so very far from that. n/m

[DFW]

114. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend." Doesn't fly with me either.

A post by a Rand Paul adherent is not valid reposting material for DU unless the purpose of the OP is to refute it.

Agreeing with a Rand-Paulite post just because it bashes a Democrat you want to bash is the prerogative of anyone, of course, but not as an OP on this board IMHO. Go put it on Freep, where it is not only welcome, but appreciated. That goes for any anti-Sanders or anti-O'Malley posts by Republican supporters, too, by the way.

[MADem]

116. I am having difficulty with the concept as well. Very well said!

I notice a great deal of deflection, accusation, mockery, etc. in this thread, but no one is getting to the meat of the matter--this is a libertarian in "liberal Dem" clothing, trying to pretend he's a Bernie supporter to knock out or damage the tougher of two opponents, and drive a wedge between the Democratic electorate.

The Paulbot writer Mr. Goodman's motto should be "Obvious troll is obvious" because he's clearing trolling with this approach. It is sad that people who are so enamored of what he's saying "for now" will allow their integrity on basic issues to be situationally compromised because they think this clown is swiping at Hillary on behalf of "their" guy, not on behalf of "his" guy.

This is classic "makes DU suck" stuff, when anyone gives that kind of junk a pass.

[Phlem]

115. Just wondering if this post in particular is hide material.

https://www.facebook.com/republicansforbernie

Yeay!

He has not compromised his values for this, he got this just being him.

[Phlem]

118. Huh.... Crickets

So what's the difference between said Paulite's OP endorsing one Democrat over the other? Someone's has the sads?

That's the reason we should alert and hide and kill discussion?