2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumA New Poll Has Another Batch Of Bad News For Hillary Clinton
She has received her worst favorability rating ever. She has lost ground on Republicans' three strongest candidates. And she is perceived to be about as honest and trustworthy as Donald Trump.
Those are some of the troubling numbers for former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in a new poll released Thursday by Quinnipiac University.
The poll still shows her with a commanding lead in the Democratic race, as she leads with 55% of the Democratic vote nationwide.
US Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vermont), who is running as a Democrat, grabs 17% of the vote. Vice President Joe Biden, who has not yet said whether he will run, gets 13% support from Democratic primary voters.
From there, though, the numbers show some complications for the Democratic front-runner. For one, Biden is running about as well against top Republicans in hypothetical general-election matchups. She has lost significant ground against those opponents since Quinnipiac's poll from May.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-poll-trump-2015-7#ixzz3hP5rbr34
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)I mean, if you combine Sanders and Biden, they have 30%, after all. A clear winning margin, it seems.
A "commanding lead" means a sure loss. I get it.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)he'll immediately pull a significant number of Hillary voters. She'd still have a solid lead over both Biden and Sanders, but far from the overwhelming position she holds now.
MineralMan
(146,345 posts)We can guess all sorts of things, but Biden hasn't indicated that he'll run. If he does, he'll also grab some of the Sanders voters.
Until he declares his candidacy, it's all guesswork. Right now, Clinton is holding in the mid 50s, percentage-wise. That doesn't seem to be changing. Something for Sanders to be concerned about, I'd think. Let me know when Biden decides.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,719 posts)That will make some voters happy then because she will be a weak general election candidate and the likelihood of a GOP clown who will offer more Putin like leadership will be elected.
Or in the alternative Joe Biden will save us.
lol
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Aren't even Bernie supporters a bit embarrassed by her media coverage at this point?
Quixote1818
(29,013 posts)Here's a quick breakdown:
Clinton trails former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida (R) 42-41. She led Bush by 10 points in May. Biden, on the other hand, leads Bush by 1 point.
Clinton leads Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin (R) 44-43. She led Walker by 8 points in May. Biden is tied with Walker.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-poll-trump-2015-7#ixzz3hjs5QwPz
Godhumor
(6,437 posts)Same issues as their swing state polls.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)gee I wonder why they want the publicity so bad? That school charges 60k/year, issued hundreds of millions and debt, and barely moves up on the USNWR rankings.
6chars
(3,967 posts)don't have to insult a whole university for not being in the top tier and making fun of their rankings.
ericson00
(2,707 posts)for releasing skewed polls, which is to get QU more publicity.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)**CACKLE**
Laser102
(816 posts)Quixote1818
(29,013 posts)Snip>
Here's a quick breakdown:
Clinton trails former Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida (R) 42-41. She led Bush by 10 points in May. Biden, on the other hand, leads Bush by 1 point.
Clinton leads Gov. Scott Walker of Wisconsin (R) 44-43. She led Walker by 8 points in May. Biden is tied with Walker.
Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/hillary-clinton-poll-trump-2015-7#ixzz3hjs5QwPz
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sanders appears to be stalled. And the talking point is doom for Clinton.
Just as we all knew Sanders would swing upwards, we knew Clintons favorable couldn't stay where they were throughout a campaign. All of this still looks amazingly well for Clinton. I can't wait until O'Malley gets to stand next to Sanders and Clinton in the debates. Sanders and Clinton are both starting to show minor vulnerabilities and voids O'Malley can fill. Debates now please.
earthside
(6,960 posts)Hillary Clinton is a train wreck for the Democratic Party.
Too old fashioned, too corporate, too Wall Street, too slick, too pandering, too evasive ... mark my words the Democrats will yet rue the day they fell for this "it's her turn" mentality.
6chars
(3,967 posts)earthside
(6,960 posts)Yeah ... starts with photos from the 1930s ... and ends with her proclamation AGAIN that she is a grandma ... with her saucer eyes?
Or the other really boring one of her talking into the camera about her mother.
Her mother!
Oh, the political courage!
Too glib, too smooth, too slick, over produced and exactly what one would expect from a Wall Street approved candidate.
And talk about pandering ... Hillary likes kids because she had a mother.
6chars
(3,967 posts)who overcame a very difficult childhood.
earthside
(6,960 posts)My grandmothers, that is.
I'm not nearly as old as Hillary.
Lots of Depression era folks had difficult times.
That doesn't qualify them to be president.
cherokeeprogressive
(24,853 posts)So I see it as 55/45, and trending downward for Hillary.
Take heart, Hillary Clinton supporters... it's gonna be a long downhill ride.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)she is in excellent shape. Remember, to win the party nomination, you do not need 50+% of the votes. You need delegates. She'll get a lot of delegates.
Right now the only two things that could possibly stop her winning the nomination are a huge gaffe on her part or Biden entering the race and running strongly.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)lunamagica
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(9,967 posts)ram2008
(1,238 posts)I don't know why people keep thinking the bad news is referring to her primary numbers. It's referring to her General election numbers and her favorability/trust ratings. With 99% name ID and 40/50 fav-unfav, that's a general election disaster in the making. It'll be Bush/Kerry all over again.
Pray Trump wins the Repub nomination.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)they knew she would be running for POTUS, and have ramped up the critisms, made every effort to damage her credibility and likability and integrity. Now some of it is working...even here on DU, those same type of talking points are run amok. BUT, they have been at it for years and the best they can do in damage her enough that she only has a 55% favorability. NONE of the Republicans as of yet (besides Trump) have received the full wrath of the bite back from the Hillary campaign, the media or other public and vocal Democrats.
The interesting shit is still about to happen.
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)But, don't forget, she has been under constant attack from the right wing for over a year now. They've managed to stretch the Benghazi nonsense out and finally found a way to stick her on her use of emails. There has been no sustained response from her supporters to refute the nonsense. She's taken a severe hit.
That said, she has a lot of time and a very large war chest to rehabilitate her image prior to the general election. Also, none of the possible republican nominees are free from skeletons that can be revealed during the general election campaign. Their negatives will zoom up.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)The Bush name is toxic....If she faced a GOP candiate who had some charisma, intelligence, young, somewhat moderate perhaps that would be someone to worry about....
But whomever wins the GOP nomination is going to be a far right kook, whose mission in life will be to defund Planned Parenthood...
I still think HRC can beat ANY of their crop of crap.
ram2008
(1,238 posts)While the Bush name is toxic, him and Clinton being frontrunners bring the whole dynasty/oligarchy issue to the forefront. The backlash we're seeing with Trump and to a lesser extent Sanders is a result of Americans feeling like they're being told who to vote for and they don't have a true choice. I believe if Bush wasn't in the race right now Clinton would be doing much better.
Anyway, I don't see Bush winning the nomination, he may have money, but he doesn't have much charisma, is too moderate, and is a BUSH.
It will be Walker, Rubio, or Kasich perhaps, with Trump as the wildcard. I will be very, very worried if Kasich starts to rise. All of these candidates can beat or at least tie Clinton, especially with all the money that will be funneled into their campaigns.
Hawaii Hiker
(3,166 posts)& very tough in Ohio....
I don't think Bush is moderate...Perhaps compared to the other GOPers, he probably is....I'd be scared to death if Bush gets to nominate the next Supreme Court Justice(s)..
I remember reading recently: in 2012 team Obama was worried about Jon Huntsman in a general election...I don't know if his campaign even made it to New Hampshire, think he dropped out before that....He was pretty much 1-2% since announcing, and never moved from there....
But if it is Bush/Clinton, most people will equate peace & prosperity with the Clinton name before Bush...
6chars
(3,967 posts)with all the unicorns and flying pigs blocking the way to the polls
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)Adrahil
(13,340 posts)I'm not worried about atm.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)According to DU, I am shaking in my boots!
BainsBane
(53,112 posts)which despite having been shown to be an outlier shows her to be the most popular and most favorably viewed candidate among Democrats.