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Related: About this forumHillary Clinton to call for lifting Cuba embargo
Hillary Clinton plans to urge Congress to lift the U.S. embargo on Cuba during a speech on Friday at Florida International University in Miami.
Clinton, according to her presidential campaign, will say that Republican arguments in opposition to more engagement with Cuba represent the failed policies of the past.
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-urges-congress-lift-cuba-embargo-120776.html#ixzz3hJOEBJit
artislife
(9,497 posts)Thank you President Obama for re-establishing diplomatic ties with Cuba leading to this urging of lifting the embargo. I applaud Hillary's statements.
There, I do agree with her completely on an issue!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,710 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,984 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)...to change the Castro regime. I think we should have realized that 20 or 30 years ago, and stopped punishing the Cuban people.
artislife
(9,497 posts)Such a little island considered such a big threat. I hope this helps the people of Cuba quickly.
still_one
(92,190 posts)"Near the end of my tenure I recommended to President Obama that he take another look at our embargo. It wasnt achieving its goals and it was holding back our broader agenda across Latin America. After twenty years of observing and dealing with the U.S.-Cuba relationship, I thought we should shift the onus onto the Castros to explain why they remained undemocratic and abusive."
http://time.com/3637669/hillary-clinton-alan-gross-cuba-hard-choices/
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Americans south of the border (Central, Carribbean and South Americans are Americans) must be more honest and open. PBO has won over a lot of leaders with his humility. Castro in particular had gracious things to say about Obama.
And Hillary pledged early on to maintain all of his policies, which she worked for as SoS, and expand upon them. So the world can be a better place, no matter that it's different than what most people have grown accustomed to seeing.
We need a lot of improvements at home and abroad. These are days of great good and evil. The choice is still ours; if we don't get with it, the choice will be in the hands of those, for good or evil, who make it for us.
still_one
(92,190 posts)those goals which paid dividends in his second term.
All I was saying was in her book she mentioned a change in her position
freshwest
(53,661 posts)Whatever happens, some see the worst:
still_one
(92,190 posts)least I think so
bigdarryl
(13,190 posts)riversedge
(70,223 posts)about Hillary wanting to life the embargo was not a surprise.
still_one
(92,190 posts)riversedge
(70,223 posts)askew
(1,464 posts)the driving force behind the Cuba deal. He made is a condition of coming on board as SoS.
And I distinctly remember Hillary attacking Obama for being for lifting of the embargo in 2008. Guess she "evolved" here too.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)Do you remember where you might have read that?
I agree he has been the driving force, it's always been an issue of his.
still_one
(92,190 posts)Successes, but I believe the Obama indicated when he was interviewed by Jon Stewart that both the Iran and Cuba events were planned in his first term
Comrade Grumpy
(13,184 posts)BainsBane
(53,032 posts)has never lived in South Florida.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)they have hardly "mostly died off".
Many are still alive, and remember, many come every year, hating the Castro regime.
And they tend to be very vocal and violent
So this won't be easy. Not at all
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)lunamagica
(9,967 posts)it was for Hillary to talk about lifting the embargo, because FIU was the school of so many Cuban exiles.
It won't be easy, and I admire her bravery in taking that position in no other place than FIU
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)It was a fucking mine field. No way would I have come out publicly against the embargo down there. And I'm not exactly reticent with my views.
L0oniX
(31,493 posts)Response to L0oniX (Reply #14)
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lunamagica
(9,967 posts)L0oniX
(31,493 posts)PBass
(1,537 posts)"Although President Barack Obama is taking the credit for Wednesdays historic deal to reverse decades of U.S. policy toward Cuba, when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, she was the main architect of the new policy and pushed far harder for a deal than the Obama White House.
From 2009 until her departure in early 2013, Clinton and her top aides took the lead on the sometimes public, often private interactions with the Cuban government. According to current and former White House and State Department officials and several Cuba policy experts who were involved in the discussions, Clinton was also the top advocate inside the government for ending travel and trade restrictions on Cuba and reversing 50 years of U.S. policy to isolate the Communist island nation. Repeatedly, she pressed the White House to move faster and faced opposition from cautious high-ranking White House officials."
[link:]http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-18/hillary-clinton-secretly-pushed-cuba-deal-for-years[link]
BainsBane
(53,032 posts)but thought crime? WTF cares what any of them beleeeve. It's what they do that counts. Cuba was a Third Rail of American politics until the Obama administration, the POSUCS who has done nothing according to some here, reestablished diplomatic relations.
I dare you to go down to S Florida and talk about lifting the embargo. Go on. Let's see it. Doesn't matter if you're the 5000th person to propose it. It ain't gonna be pretty.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)Way past time.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)nt
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)It makes to no sense to restore relations without also lifting the embargo.
flamingdem
(39,313 posts)She has changed her views probably due to the influence of her sister in law who is a right ish wing Cuban American lawyer.
I'm not totally convinced though, considering Honduras my tendency is to think that Kerry deserves the credit here.
Gothmog
(145,256 posts)Florida is a swing state and the younger Cuban population no longer automatically vote for GOP candidates.