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DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 03:50 PM Jul 2015

Hillary Clinton to call for lifting Cuba embargo






Hillary Clinton plans to urge Congress to lift the U.S. embargo on Cuba during a speech on Friday at Florida International University in Miami.
Clinton, according to her presidential campaign, will say that Republican arguments in opposition to more engagement with Cuba represent the “failed policies of the past.”


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2015/07/hillary-clinton-urges-congress-lift-cuba-embargo-120776.html#ixzz3hJOEBJit
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Hillary Clinton to call for lifting Cuba embargo (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 OP
Good! artislife Jul 2015 #1
Thank you and have a terrific day. DemocratSinceBirth Jul 2015 #2
You, too! artislife Jul 2015 #4
K&R!! ismnotwasm Jul 2015 #3
It's about time...clearly the embargo and everything else hasn't done anything... George II Jul 2015 #5
I agree artislife Jul 2015 #19
She actually consulted with Obama last year to consider lifting the embargo still_one Jul 2015 #6
Wow. So she influenced Obama to put that on the front burner. All of our relationships with the freshwest Jul 2015 #8
nope, that isn't what I said. Obama had plans for Cuba and Iran in his first term, and moved toward still_one Jul 2015 #9
Even better, means she learned. The rest of my post stands. Anyone likes the past better can say: freshwest Jul 2015 #22
I am not disagreeing with you. If someone learns from a bad view point that is a good thing, still_one Jul 2015 #24
But but she's republican like bigdarryl Jul 2015 #17
Yes, I recall reading about this a while ago--so today's headline riversedge Jul 2015 #10
Yes. My point was she had been going in that direction for some time still_one Jul 2015 #11
oK point taken. In solidarity riversedge Jul 2015 #13
The people involved in the initial Cuba news all said that Kerry was askew Jul 2015 #25
Interesting he made it a condition! flamingdem Jul 2015 #31
I am saying in her book she changed her position. Kerry was very instrumental in the recent still_one Jul 2015 #34
That's a good position. n/t Comrade Grumpy Jul 2015 #7
Anyone who thinks that's an easy thing to say at FIU BainsBane Jul 2015 #12
The old ones who have always objected have mostly died off. L0oniX Jul 2015 #18
Not really. I live here, and while the Cuban community is not the solid, one-mind block it once was lunamagica Jul 2015 #29
There is this thing ...the rest of the US and it's majority. L0oniX Jul 2015 #36
You are so right. Tonight on Univision there was a student saying how insulting lunamagica Jul 2015 #26
I taught Latin American history down in that area BainsBane Jul 2015 #28
Well that's safe and easy to say ...now. L0oniX Jul 2015 #14
Post removed Post removed Jul 2015 #16
No, it is neither safe, nor easy. lunamagica Jul 2015 #30
Yea well Obama has already made the move so she is just riding on it. L0oniX Jul 2015 #37
YES, BUT WHAT DOES HILLARY REALLY BELIEVE? (sarcasm) PBass Jul 2015 #15
So the issue is not actual policy? BainsBane Jul 2015 #20
Good ibegurpard Jul 2015 #21
K & R Thinkingabout Jul 2015 #23
Should have been lifted in the 70s AgingAmerican Jul 2015 #27
I couldn't agree more with her virtualobserver Jul 2015 #32
Hillary understands this issue flamingdem Jul 2015 #33
I love the fact that she will be making this proposal in Florida Gothmog Jul 2015 #35
 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
1. Good!
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 03:55 PM
Jul 2015

Thank you President Obama for re-establishing diplomatic ties with Cuba leading to this urging of lifting the embargo. I applaud Hillary's statements.


There, I do agree with her completely on an issue!





George II

(67,782 posts)
5. It's about time...clearly the embargo and everything else hasn't done anything...
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:05 PM
Jul 2015

...to change the Castro regime. I think we should have realized that 20 or 30 years ago, and stopped punishing the Cuban people.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
19. I agree
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:20 PM
Jul 2015

Such a little island considered such a big threat. I hope this helps the people of Cuba quickly.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
6. She actually consulted with Obama last year to consider lifting the embargo
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:09 PM
Jul 2015

"Near the end of my tenure I recommended to President Obama that he take another look at our embargo. It wasn’t achieving its goals and it was holding back our broader agenda across Latin America. After twenty years of observing and dealing with the U.S.-Cuba relationship, I thought we should shift the onus onto the Castros to explain why they remained undemocratic and abusive."

http://time.com/3637669/hillary-clinton-alan-gross-cuba-hard-choices/

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
8. Wow. So she influenced Obama to put that on the front burner. All of our relationships with the
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:40 PM
Jul 2015

Americans south of the border (Central, Carribbean and South Americans are Americans) must be more honest and open. PBO has won over a lot of leaders with his humility. Castro in particular had gracious things to say about Obama.

And Hillary pledged early on to maintain all of his policies, which she worked for as SoS, and expand upon them. So the world can be a better place, no matter that it's different than what most people have grown accustomed to seeing.

We need a lot of improvements at home and abroad. These are days of great good and evil. The choice is still ours; if we don't get with it, the choice will be in the hands of those, for good or evil, who make it for us.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
9. nope, that isn't what I said. Obama had plans for Cuba and Iran in his first term, and moved toward
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:44 PM
Jul 2015

those goals which paid dividends in his second term.

All I was saying was in her book she mentioned a change in her position

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
22. Even better, means she learned. The rest of my post stands. Anyone likes the past better can say:
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 09:54 PM
Jul 2015


Whatever happens, some see the worst:



still_one

(92,190 posts)
24. I am not disagreeing with you. If someone learns from a bad view point that is a good thing,
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:13 AM
Jul 2015

least I think so


riversedge

(70,223 posts)
10. Yes, I recall reading about this a while ago--so today's headline
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 04:51 PM
Jul 2015

about Hillary wanting to life the embargo was not a surprise.

askew

(1,464 posts)
25. The people involved in the initial Cuba news all said that Kerry was
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 12:51 AM
Jul 2015

the driving force behind the Cuba deal. He made is a condition of coming on board as SoS.

And I distinctly remember Hillary attacking Obama for being for lifting of the embargo in 2008. Guess she "evolved" here too.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
31. Interesting he made it a condition!
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:21 AM
Jul 2015

Do you remember where you might have read that?

I agree he has been the driving force, it's always been an issue of his.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
34. I am saying in her book she changed her position. Kerry was very instrumental in the recent
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 02:45 AM
Jul 2015

Successes, but I believe the Obama indicated when he was interviewed by Jon Stewart that both the Iran and Cuba events were planned in his first term

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
29. Not really. I live here, and while the Cuban community is not the solid, one-mind block it once was
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:14 AM
Jul 2015

they have hardly "mostly died off".

Many are still alive, and remember, many come every year, hating the Castro regime.

And they tend to be very vocal and violent

So this won't be easy. Not at all

lunamagica

(9,967 posts)
26. You are so right. Tonight on Univision there was a student saying how insulting
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:10 AM
Jul 2015

it was for Hillary to talk about lifting the embargo, because FIU was the school of so many Cuban exiles.

It won't be easy, and I admire her bravery in taking that position in no other place than FIU

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
28. I taught Latin American history down in that area
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:14 AM
Jul 2015

It was a fucking mine field. No way would I have come out publicly against the embargo down there. And I'm not exactly reticent with my views.

Response to L0oniX (Reply #14)

PBass

(1,537 posts)
15. YES, BUT WHAT DOES HILLARY REALLY BELIEVE? (sarcasm)
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 05:55 PM
Jul 2015
"Although President Barack Obama is taking the credit for Wednesday’s historic deal to reverse decades of U.S. policy toward Cuba, when Hillary Clinton was secretary of state, she was the main architect of the new policy and pushed far harder for a deal than the Obama White House.

From 2009 until her departure in early 2013, Clinton and her top aides took the lead on the sometimes public, often private interactions with the Cuban government. According to current and former White House and State Department officials and several Cuba policy experts who were involved in the discussions, Clinton was also the top advocate inside the government for ending travel and trade restrictions on Cuba and reversing 50 years of U.S. policy to isolate the Communist island nation. Repeatedly, she pressed the White House to move faster and faced opposition from cautious high-ranking White House officials."


[link:]http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2014-12-18/hillary-clinton-secretly-pushed-cuba-deal-for-years[link]

BainsBane

(53,032 posts)
20. So the issue is not actual policy?
Wed Jul 29, 2015, 06:52 PM
Jul 2015

but thought crime? WTF cares what any of them beleeeve. It's what they do that counts. Cuba was a Third Rail of American politics until the Obama administration, the POSUCS who has done nothing according to some here, reestablished diplomatic relations.

I dare you to go down to S Florida and talk about lifting the embargo. Go on. Let's see it. Doesn't matter if you're the 5000th person to propose it. It ain't gonna be pretty.

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
33. Hillary understands this issue
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 01:24 AM
Jul 2015

She has changed her views probably due to the influence of her sister in law who is a right ish wing Cuban American lawyer.

I'm not totally convinced though, considering Honduras my tendency is to think that Kerry deserves the credit here.

Gothmog

(145,256 posts)
35. I love the fact that she will be making this proposal in Florida
Thu Jul 30, 2015, 06:43 AM
Jul 2015

Florida is a swing state and the younger Cuban population no longer automatically vote for GOP candidates.

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