African Americans for Bernie Sanders

[Zorra]

https://www.facebook.com/AfricanAmericansForBernie

[99Forever]

1. But but but...

....someone here claimed that they spoke for AA and.....

[ibegurpard]

2. Oh knock it off

Just put it out there and let it speak for itself.

[el_bryanto]

4. Yes we have a narrative to maintain! No presenting counter evidence; it just confuses matters. nt

[Zorra]

5. Well said. nt

[ibegurpard]

6. it was the snark thst wasn't necessary

[99Forever]

7. Wasn't necessary to whom?

In case you haven't, a certain element here is pushing a false meme, VERY HARD.

So a little snark is pretty mild in comparison.

[ibegurpard]

8. Keep it up then

You could've just posted the link. But no you had to get a dig in. Guess you just enjoy the fighting.

[99Forever]

9. Link?

[ibegurpard]

10. my apologies

You just posted the link. My admonition to knock it off was was directed to the 1st response in the thread. Why did you respond to a comment that obviously wasn't directed at your OP?

[pintobean]

14. 1-6 to leave this one.

You got hosed on the other one.

On Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:14 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Wasn't necessary to whom?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=470867

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Referring to black posters at DU as 'a certain element' and saying they are all trolls is racist and abusive.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jul 23, 2015, 04:26 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I think the alerter rather exaggerated their case.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No. I'm not a big fan of this member, but this alert is bullshit.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: He was talking about Hillary boosters unless you want to believe he's talking about black posters.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't think that's a fair interpretation of the post (i.e. the way I read it, "certain elements" is political and not racial).
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No, this crap has gotten out of hand. Leave it, and I'm leaving the primaries forum because this has fine, upstanding DUer's beating the hell out of each other for NO GOOD REASON. Vote for Hillary if you want to. Go for it. See if more of the same gets you anywhere other than what it already got you.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[artislife]

15. Nothing gets accomplished with sniping at each other

We need a TRUCE.




^^ should stop.

If we all just talk positively about our candidate issues and base our debates, which should be civil, then we can actually l influence new supporters. But sniping, on all sides, does not promote inclusion. If we each decide that we will not engage, then this will die.




Of course, that is a fairy tale. But I will keep trying so that my candidate doesn't lose any more supporters or would be supporters.

[nc4bo]

103. I don't even know if that's possible

It's going to take ALL of us to get work done. Nothing glamorous or easy about it.

Compromises will have to be made in some cases. Egos left at the door. In others, we should all have a take no prisoner attitude.

Is it even possible?

[SolutionisSolidarity]

30. If I know who you're talking about, that's actually a pretty righteous person.

Confrontational maybe, but he's on the side of justice. These are people who want to be part of a people based movement, which is exactly what Bernie wants. Getting over BS grudges and listening to people is our job as progressives.

[nc4bo]

11. It's only recently begun to take off, watch the difference in the dates and likes.

"Liking"!

[ibegurpard]

12. I hope so

[BainsBane]

13. Latest poll has him at 6 percent of the AA Democratic electorate

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251470902

I have to wonder what the next will be.

[Omaha Steve]

16. You mean in 25 years of knowing Hillary they will know Bernie not as well after just 3 months

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:41 PM - Edit history (1)

And Bernie picked up a lot of support from AA after the Netroots. Maybe AA should mention Hillary passed us up?

[BainsBane]

17. How do you figure "Bernie picked up a lot of support from AA after the Netroots'?

How do you come to that conclusion? Based on what?

The familiarity of black voters with Sanders vs. Clinton is no greater or less than that of white voters or the electorate overall. That is a general, across the board phenomenon.

[Omaha Steve]

18. Come over to the dark side

Start here: http://thyblackman.com/2015/07/17/ol-bernie-sanders-for-president/

[BainsBane]

20. That's one person

and he doesn't say that he started to support Sanders because of or after Netroots Nation. Moreover, that blog entry is dated 6 days ago, which was the day before NRN.

[Omaha Steve]

22. That's one person

So are YOU!

[BainsBane]

23. Indeed

However, your first point was that his support from AA voters had increased since NRN. I asked how you came to that conclusion. That link doesn't provide any evidence of that point. I personally know of two black, former Sanders supporters who no longer support him because of the shit storm that brewed afterward.

[Omaha Steve]

25. Are YOU AA?

Or just waving a red flag at anything YOU think will sink Sanders?

You should get out more often. It is out there.

OS

[BainsBane]

27. In other words

You have no evidence, and you're just saying what you want to believe.

Read this on Twitter "earnthisdamnvoteorlose

[Omaha Steve]

29. Gee you went right past Hillary didn't even go to Netroots Nation

Again I wonder why?

You convinced me. Bernie didn't pick up a single AA and lost two.

[Omaha Steve]

31. This one at the top?

Retweeted 57 times
Reagan Gomez ?@ReaganGomez Jul 21
Nah. #EarnThisDamnVoteOrLose . And that goes for EVERYBODY.

Hillary wasn't there to even try! Now wasn't there some hard feelings with Hillary with AA 8 years ago?

[BainsBane]

41. I realize it goes for everybody.

and I submit that is a very good thing. They need to earn our votes.

[Omaha Steve]

45. So why wasn't Hillary there?

Just curious?

[sufrommich]

47. She hasn't been to Netroots since 2007 and she wasn't

welcomed there. There was zero benefit to her being there.

[BainsBane]

48. She as at the Jefferson-Jackson dinner in AK

She's met with BLM in the past, I believe, and had a FB conversation with them since the event.

[arcane1]

64. The Facebook conversation was a question from a Washington Post reporter n/t

[BainsBane]

91. Oh, okay. nt

[Omaha Steve]

75. Jefferson-Jackson is still OK in AK?

Ask a First American about using a $20 bill. Why aren't the people that had their land stolen in this?


http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141155205

Thomas Jefferson and Andrew Jackson are history in Connecticut.

Under pressure from the NAACP, the state Democratic Party will scrub the names of the two presidents from its annual fundraising dinner because of their ties to slavery.

[BainsBane]

81. Aren't you a long-term Democrat?

Those are party dinners throughout the country. We don't have them in MN, but I believe they have them in Iowa, and I know they have them in many other states. That's the history of the Democratic Party, dude. How many threads have we seen talking about the "soul" of the old Democratic Party? That's part of its soul. As one of the two major parties in the US, its history is as checkered as that of the nation.

I saw that other OP. It was a weak reach, particularly ironic given the comments about Black Lives Matters as a "Third Way" Koch conspiracy. It would be nice if you all paid attention a bit closer to home, to the present and some of your own supporters, rather than objecting now, 200 years after the fact, to problems they are easy to condemn.

[Omaha Steve]

104. She went to raise $

She didn't go to Netroots is the point I've been making in several replies. Geez.

[BainsBane]

105. I know she didn't go to Netroots

She was at the Jeff-Jackson dinner, venerable events in the Democratic Party. She is a Democrat, after all.
She's raising money, but she won't come close to the GOP stash. Remember that as you lament the fact she gets campaign contributions. This is for the long haul, the General Election too, where she will be wildly outmatched.

[Omaha Steve]

107. Your assuming SHE gets to the General Election

I'm not.

I'm done with this thread. You just said a mouthful. You don't care where her $ comes from. I do.

[Stellar]

72. Yep...racist campaign, she and Bill.

[Cha]

133. That's right.. there is "No evidence.. and you get that President Obama hater, cornel west, pushed

in your face.

[bravenak]

33. He got that guy and lost me and a bunch of other people.

My family who I had told to support him, I went back and told them not to, after how his peeps treat us black folks.

Cornell West, his time is up with us, he has been too nasty to Obama for too long. We like Obama better.

After the harassment of black people on twitter and facebook that is still going on to this day, we have gone from receptive to not wanting to hear a damn thing about him.

I wish more white supporters woukd read black publications. That's where you find the pulse of our community. Not in facebook groups. More of us use twitter regularly since it's quick and there are alot of connections to be made.

I have seen so many people today and yesterday saying they officially are done with Bernie and his mean nasty and sometimes racist fans.
Thanks for listening. I won't try to tell you all bad news anymore or discuss him much after this alert trolling.

[Omaha Steve]

39. So Hillary doesn't even show up and you adore her now?

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:12 PM - Edit history (1)

Edit: I stand corrected in the replies.

Shrewd.

[bravenak]

43. Hate her.

But her supporters are not calling me race nagger, posting black on black crime stats, blaming racism in cops on Obama, Holder, and Lynch (3 black folks, we notice shit like that), and they don't tweet evil shit to black folks or alert constantly on our posts. They can take criticism, without attacking black america in droves. Even DU harassed black twitter for days, there are articles by black journalists, writers, and even lawyers talking about how nasty Bernie peep are and saying they hate black people and think we owe them something.

Supporters reflect on the campaign.

Edit: they also don't call us Lee Atwater plants.

[Omaha Steve]

53. Show me one post I did any of that

You won't find a single one. I'll even open up every post I've have since Netroots to help if you need it.

There are Cavers in sheep's clothing on the DU btw.

[bravenak]

58. It did not have to be you. It wasn't. It was other Bernie fans who ruined it for you.

Not just cavers. Long term members. Hell the op called me a race nagger.

[Omaha Steve]

62. I am sorry for that

Last week the BIG fight was with D's in the South and a flag.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

44. Can you please point out where Bravenak said she adores Hillary Clinton?

Can you please point out where Bravenak said she adores Hillary Clinton?

adore
verb
love and respect (someone) deeply.
"he adored his mother"
synonyms: love dearly, love, be devoted to, dote on, hold dear, cherish, treasure, prize, think the world of; More
worship; venerate.
"he adored the Sacred Host"
synonyms: worship, glorify, praise, revere, reverence, exalt, extol, venerate, pay homage to; More
informal
like (something or someone) very much.
"she adores Mexican cuisine"
synonyms: like, love, be very fond of, be very keen on, be partial to, have a weakness for; More

Thank you in advance.

[Omaha Steve]

50. We can see

There are three viable candidates for POTUS on the D side. We can see where Bernie is on Bravenak's list. There was another candidate at Netroots Nation that probably is on the same list. Since this is a D blog, the math leaves one to support. Well Trump might go Independent.

It is forbidden to repost hidden threads. Thanks for pointing me in this direction. I had missed this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251470024#post31

You're White and Marched With Dr. King : So What? [View all]

[DemocratSinceBirth]

55. "Hate her"

"Hate her"

-Bravenak

I love her the way she is . I don't want to change her... I do hope I can persuade her by being empathetic, changing one heart at a time.

[Omaha Steve]

57. I stand corrected

[bravenak]

56. I'm no longer voting in the primary at this time. I had my candidate.

I will vote for the nominee in the general. Just like in 08 when Hillary's race baiting cause me to drop my support of her. I just waited for the general.

[Omaha Steve]

59. So the candidate that talks about jobs for young blacks, education, etc

Lost your vote. Too bad.

[arcane1]

67. Over the behavior of some anonymous people on the internet.

I question the claim.

[bravenak]

78. Dead kids don't need jobs or college. They are dead.

That's my issue. 1/3 of our men in jail can't get federal financial aid, left out of that. Our schools do not bring our kids up to college level, so they will go and fail.
If our kids are harassed by cops and arrested constantly, they can't keep a job.

We need to deal with racism. First. Period. We don't get our full share if those benefits because of the nasty racism in this nation and in our police and prisons and schools. It's systemic.
He does not yet understand our world view. His supporters won't listen, just offer solution they think will help because they will help everybody. We want solutions specific to black people and our unique problems, without the dismissiveness.

[Omaha Steve]

83. Bill said he was sorry about that

Last week was it? It took 21 years and Hillary running to get that out of him.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/29/hillary-clinton-criminal-justice-overhaul-baltimore-unrest

Clinton, the former secretary of state and New York senator, was first lady when the last major criminal justice legislation, the violent crime control and law enforcement act of 1994, was signed into law by Bill Clinton, setting aside nearly $8bn for prisons. The law has been criticized for boosting incarceration rates, especially among minorities. It was authored by Vice-President Joe Biden when he was a Delaware senator.

[bravenak]

88. So what is Bernie gonna do?

Specifically. I'm done with Bill, I was 11 when he got elected. I care about the future more than rehashing the past over and over.
We want solutions, not people deflecting us over to Bill. Yes. That great he feels bad.

This is Bernie's campaign. He needs to come up with solutions.

[Omaha Steve]

101. Video from the OP link

https://video-dfw1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hvideo-xfp1/v/t42.1790-2/11714190_1686572868229587_79396391_n.mp4?efg=eyJybHIiOjM5NiwicmxhIjo1MTJ9&rl=396&vabr=220&oh=0e48a1832506d979af6a22f86c471c72&oe=55B1A9F7

[BainsBane]

97. Do you know how Sanders voted on that bill?

Someone told me he voted for it. Am I wrong about that?

[BainsBane]

100. Yep, Bernie voted for the crime bill

https://votesmart.org/candidate/key-votes/27110/bernie-sanders/20/crime#.VbGHkbNVikp

But Hillary was First Lady so it's her fault?

[Omaha Steve]

109. Did she tell him to drop it Bill because your wrong?

Or Bill don't cut programs that help those at the bottom that will go hungry?

I can't find that old headline. And yes Marta and I voted for Bill twice. Saw him once. This is not personal with Hillary.

Oh this time I mean it. I'm done wasting time with you.

http://www.alternet.org/election-2016/20-examples-bernie-sanders-powerful-record-civil-and-human-rights-1950s

6. Condemned And Opposed Welfare Reform and Dog Whistle Politics:While President Bill Clinton and most Democrats in Congress supported so-called welfare reform politics, Sanders not only voted against this policy change, but wrote eloquently against the dog whistle politics used to sell it, saying, “The crown jewel of the Republican agenda is their so-called welfare reform proposal. The bill, which combines an assault on the poor, women and children, minorities, and immigrants is the grand slam of scapegoating legislation, and appeals to the frustrations and ignorance of the American people along a wide spectrum of prejudices.”

[BainsBane]

110. I said Bernie voted for the crime bill

Why do you think being First Lady makes her more responsible for that bill than a congressman who voted for it?

[Omaha Steve]

111. Look you vote Hillary on Super Tuesday

I'll Caucus five days later for Bernie. The discussion with you wasted over an hour & 1/2 I'll never get back. We didn't change a thing. And we won't. It is a waste.

Go on. Push me more. IF she gets to the General like you think, then you need many of us to vote for her. Get it? Your not helping.

[BainsBane]

113. You say I'm pushing you because I point out Sanders voting record?

Really? Come on, Steve. You're better than that.

[Omaha Steve]

114. You seem to think there is no Hillary/Bill connection?

You missed the reply he voted against cutting/reforming welfare and Hillary didn't say a word? They were married. She had a public opinion on healthcare. Was she for or against welfare?

You vote Hillary and leave me alone.

[Cha]

134. Thanks for debating him with the facts, Bains. There's so much crap put out about Hillary..

that when the opportunity presents itself to counter with facts.. it must be taken.

[sufrommich]

108. You know,there's likely a lot of AAs that don't like the

Clintons,let us know when you find a small army of Clinton supporters running around the internet pointing their fingers at black people and shouting "how dare you!"

[Hiraeth]

61. I can't even get my family together for T'giving but, you can tell yours how to vote.

My family who I had told to support him, I went back and told them not to, after how his peeps treat us black folks.

[bravenak]

63. My grandmama had ten kids. Black folks do word of mouth.

Of course I tell them how to vote. Who else is gonna tell them? I'm the only one who cares about voting. If not for me harassing, they'd skip their civic duty. I drive a few of them too and I direct my husbands vote. I'm the boss around this mutha.

[Hiraeth]

68. Do you drive them to the voting booth, too?

[bravenak]

69. The Jeep wont fit in the Rec Center.

I walk them in and peek inside to make sure they fill in the right bubbles if that's what you mean.

[Hiraeth]

79. LOL.

[sufrommich]

38. AAs are being censored right here on DU.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251470024#post31


Maybe if they were allowed to speak here without having to vow loyal support to any candidate,we could all learn something.

[BainsBane]

42. oops

wrong spot.

[wyldwolf]

60. That was a relevant, well written article. Alert trolling won't make that piece go way.

[Omaha Steve]

71. Oh like this???

On Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:46 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Why did you just solely name black people? Do you know how that looks?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7000830

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Deeply dishonest post. The poster he is responding to, mentioned Hillary and Bill Clinton and Martin O'Malley.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Jul 23, 2015, 06:54 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop the alert stalking.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Had bravenak mentioned that Hillary and Bill Clinton and Martin O'Malley were in the post I would leave it.

Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, and Barack Obama are in the power positions was my take.

Eric was too busy getting ready to go back to Wall St to care.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I don't always agree with brave, but I understand why she's feeling a little testy. I'm not going to vote to hide this.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[bravenak]

84. Just one of many non hides. Plus I got actual hides. One for saying 'youse a hater'

To someone ranting that I love riots and promote them. In a hateful way. I cannot even say true things.

[Omaha Steve]

86. My fight isn't with you

But there are others that are vocal while the candidate they are promoting has problems on race too. Just posted this one in the thread.

OS

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/apr/29/hillary-clinton-criminal-justice-overhaul-baltimore-unrest

[bravenak]

90. We know about Hillary's race problem.

Now Bernie has one, similar to when Hillary's supporters we acting last time.

I can tell you're tired of me, so see ya around. Gotta run!

[Omaha Steve]

94. I can't keep up with everybody and look stuff up and host and...

Sorry.

[bravenak]

95. It's okay. Don't stress yourself about it.

I need chinese food now!

[BainsBane]

96. That's not exactly a negative piece on Clinton

I'm not seeing how it makes your point.

[ibegurpard]

19. long way to go to February

I think he's up to the task. We shall see.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. I never thought I would live long enough to see that on a progressive board.

eom

[BainsBane]

28. Progressive seems to have been redefined

In unrecognizable ways.

[Cha]

131. And, zappaman got a HIDE for telling the facts. Figures.

[bravenak]

34. Yes. I'm a race nagger.

[nc4bo]

40. Don't bite the tainted bait. nt

[bravenak]

46. Can't help myself. Boit to leave the house anyways. Sure that will be hidden when I get back.

[SidDithers]

37. That's fucking awful...nt

Sid

[sufrommich]

92. Alert fingers are pounding furiously trying to erase all evidence.

[wyldwolf]

26. Looks like one of those "African Americans for (insert GOP candidate)" site that pops up...

... every election cycle. Most of the comments and 'likes' are from white people.

[ibegurpard]

32. looks like you're saying African Americans are incapable

Of independent thought.

[wyldwolf]

36. Looks like I'm saying the site is astroturf

Created to appear like it's something it isn't.

[ibegurpard]

51. got it

Nice to see at least one well-known DU third-way advocate thinks African Americans are incapable of supporting Sanders. Do you speak for all 3rd way advocates like you deign to speak for African Americans here? Are you African American? Seen you posting conservadem talking points for years but never thought to ask.

[wyldwolf]

54. typical

Last edited Thu Jul 23, 2015, 08:31 PM - Edit history (1)

"progressives" never disappoint with their twisting and turning.

[ibegurpard]

98. And your lack of response

To my question leads me to assume you're as white as I am.

[wyldwolf]

99. guilty as charged. I'm white. Doesn't change the fact...

... the Facebook page in the OP is an astroturf campaign by Occupy Wall Street.

[NanceGreggs]

87. And exactly who appointed you ...

... as the final arbiter of who is a third way-advocate - a term, BTW, that has come to mean "anyone who disagrees with me on DU", along with "conservadem", which is almost invariably thrown in for good measure.

I don't believe anyone on this site has said that AAs are ''incapable or supporting Sanders." However, the poll numbers consistently show that by a vast majority, they DON'T support him. It has nothing to do with "capability" - it has to do with cold, hard facts.

But no worries - once the late-breaking-news gets out that BS marched with MLK, I'm sure Bernie's numbers with AAs/minorities will skyrocket.

[ibegurpard]

93. No one

I speak for myself. As do you.

[NanceGreggs]

112. When you label a poster as ...

... being "a well-known DU third-way advocate" who "thinks African Americans are incapable of supporting Sanders", you ARE deigning to speak for them - because the poster never even came close to saying what you have attributed to him.

As for terms like "third wayer" and "conservdem", unless you're playing DU cliche bingo - where words like those, along with "oligarchy", "water-carrier for the 1%", "DINO", "authoritarian", Repub-lite", etc, are good for straight-line, four corners, or full card prizes - they are as useless as they are meaningless.

[ibegurpard]

117. that poster ALWAYS

Comes down on the side of conservative third-way issues. Always. I've been around here a long time. To refuse to consider that a site that purports to show African American support for Sanders as legitimate is insulting and condescending... especially when he isn't even African American. I'm not African American...I'm not claiming to give you a picture of how they think. Nor am I lecturing them on how Black Lives Matters isn't legitimate. But I'm sure as hell not going to sit here and let some conservative fellow WHITE Democrat like the poster we are discussing latch onto it for purely political reasons.

[NanceGreggs]

119. Well, here's how it went ...

The poster said, "Looks like one of those "African Americans for (insert GOP candidate)" site that pops up every election cycle."

That's true, they invariably pop up on FaceBook and other social media sites.

Your response was: "Looks like you're saying African Americans are incapable of independent thought."

That is a total non-sequitar. The poster said nothing of the kind - and in fact remarked that he thought "most of the comments and 'likes' are from white people."

The poster then responds: "Looks like I'm saying the site is astroturf created to appear like it's something it isn't."

And your reply is again far afield of what the poster actually said, by responding that he "thinks African Americans are incapable of supporting Sanders".

"To refuse to consider that a site that purports to show African American support for Sanders as legitimate is insulting and condescending... "

The poster didn't "refuse to consider" anything. He stated the FACT that these FaceBook "groups" are a dime a dozen, and pop up with regularity - especially when there is an election in the offing - and they are not to be taken as a serious reflection of reality.

The fact that you immediately started calling a poster who disagrees with you a "third wayer conservdem", on top of attributing statements to them they never even came close to saying, tells me a lot about you - and it isn't anything pleasant.

BTW, are you a Sanders supporter? If you are, you might want to check out the latest PPP poll here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110713531

It seems Bernie's largest support group is people who identify as "very conservative". So you might want to tone down the ire directed towards "conservative white Democrats" while you're at it.

[ibegurpard]

120. Ok Nance

By the way why are you back? Weren't you banned?

Edit: you sure have an interesting definition of facts

[NanceGreggs]

123. No, I was never banned.

I left DU several years ago when it stopped being a "Democratic supporting site" as per its once loftily-stated purpose.

I came back knowing it is now just another political message board where anyone can say anything. It's been quite entertaining, especially of late. The conspiracy theory posts are my particular favourites, where HRC supporters, BLM adherents, etc. are all "conspiring" to ruin Bernie's chance of being the nominee. They really are funny!

[ibegurpard]

124. Yes they are!

My favorite ones are how the NRA is backing Bernie! But you wouldn't know about that would you...

[NanceGreggs]

126. I know about Bernie and the NRA.

Despite what his supporters like to think, Bernie IS a politician and sometimes aligns himself with people or organizations that can be of assistance in furthering his political ambitions.

I don't hold it against him. I don't hold it against any politician. It's how the game is played - by everyone who's in the game to win.

[Cha]

132. He can't debate you so he resorts to personal attacks.. "By the way why are you back?

Weren't you banned?"

He wishes.

[NanceGreggs]

135. No worries.

Such petty behaviour is of no consequence.

[stevenleser]

118. Yep. Nt

[ibegurpard]

121. Oh the whole crowd's starting to show up

[stevenleser]

122. Who me? And to think I just lost a lot of weight. Nt

[L0oniX]

89. Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT

[nc4bo]

35. It's up to white people to promote Bernie Sanders which ties into

A candidate being judged by the behaviors of the supporters.

How does anyone think this thing is gonna take off? By MSM promoting Sander's campaign..... NOT!

Word of mouth and community outreach are more important than ever.

Many people on DU have practically burned out trying to tell certain Sander's supporters this tidbit.

[wyldwolf]

52. might as well be called 'White people for African Americans for Bernie.'

the facebook page is owned by organizers of Occupy Wall Street.



Let me know when an African American organization starts a page like that.

[nc4bo]

66. .

right back atcha.

If you don't understand how word of mouth works then I just don't know what to tell ya.

[wyldwolf]

70. So when Republicans set up "African Americans for Romney" - type sites, that's sound strategy?

It's good strategy to present a false internet presence? Isn't that called Astroturf? Pretending something or someone has more support than it or he/she does and creating false things to 'prove' it?

[nc4bo]

76. I have black fb friends who are there. ...

And those friends have friends and on and on. Have you read the posts and followed the friends and friends of friends?

So IF Pugs set up this page, they're in for a rude awakening.

[Number23]

77. I could be wrong, but I think that you and wyldwolf are agreeing with one another

And I think her smiley was at the BlacksForBernie Twitter astroturf, not your comments about how important community outreach and word of mouth is.

[nc4bo]

85. Sigh........

You may be right. I don't even know anymore and my sarcasm thingy got broken on DU over the past couple of weeks.

My sincerest apologies to wyldwolf if that's the case.

[Number23]

102. C'mere you...

It has been rough lately. It's been rough for me and I'm undecided. As a Sanders supporter, particularly as a BLACK Sanders supporter, you must have to wipe the tears of your keyboard daily with all the stuff these other Sanders "supporters" have been saying lately.

It has really been eye opening.

[nc4bo]

115. It's horrible.

Not sure what else to do a this point.

[Number23]

73. NAILED. IT.

might as well be called 'White people for African Americans for Bernie.'

When this sad excuse for "social activism" got touted by a few months ago as part of some "victory lap" by Bernie supporters here convinced that this meant Bernie had the minority vote sealed up, I literally laughed my ass off.

And then I looked at the numbers. Not only should this be called "White People for African Americans for Bernie" but more honestly "White People for a Handful of African Americans for Bernie" because the 200 members in the group during the victory lap was so insignificant to be negligible. And the gleefully named PeopleofColorforBernie wasn't doing any better. Had about 250 members.

[nc4bo]

82. Number23, some of my friends are subscribers....it has to start somewhere.

We know who HRC is. She does not have the same problems as Sanders.

I haven't checked but I wonder if Martin OMalley has the same problem?

Candidates need to be pushed, people need to be involved to do the pushing. It is going to take blacks and whites to get this done.

[Number23]

106. "Candidates need to be pushed, people need to be involved to do the pushing."

It is going to take blacks and whites to get this done.

You are absolutely right. It does have to start somewhere. But I take issue with Sanders supporters who on one hand, are thoroughly dismissive of #BLM and their aims, who have openly taken to calling #BLM "right wingers" and "non progressives funded by the Koch brothers" and with their other hand, are always the first ones to throw up the BlacksforBernie stuff as some sort of "proof" that none of this is real and it's all dirty tricks.

That is demeaning, insulting and offensive. Their advocacy is very MUCH real and all the whining, wailing and tossing up the 200 members of BlacksforBernie won't change that. Just saw someone say something like "alot of people love to talk about what they would have done during the Civil Rights Movement. Well this is the Civil Rights Movement NOW and what are you doing"??????

It's going to take EVERYBODY to get this done. I just saw this on Twitter https://twitter.com/search?q=%23earnthisdamnvoteorlose&src=typd

Primarily black women doing their hardest to push, poke and prod. To get ALL of these candidates to address our issues. This is NOT about a certain politician. This is about ALL Of them.

[nc4bo]

116. +10 nt.

[bravenak]

80. Omg.

[Jamaal510]

127. Co-sign. nt

[PatrickforO]

65. Nice to see. We still need to talk more about racism and police brutality.

And we need to do something about them. This Sandra Bland thing seems like a total railroad job. Oh, she told the booking officer she'd tried to commit suicide...oh, she had (gasp) marijuana in her system!

Bullshit.

We have the phone message she left for her sis where she sure as hell DOESN'T sound suicidal, and we have a report that she hung herself with her trash bag, yet the photo of her cell shows the bag in a trashcan plain as day.

This is BULLSHIT.

Wonder what would happen if we ALL called that police department and put in our two cents?

Wonder what would happen if we ALL wrote letters to, and then called the DC offices of, our US Representatives and Senators?

I'm gonna do both of those things. Join me.

[Stellar]

74. ^5 to someone that pay attention, thankyou.

[2banon]

125. that is a fantastic idea.. I'll join you. got the office # info handy by any chance? Make it an OP?