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MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:39 AM Jul 2015

Economic Justice alone does not address the problems of PoC.

The three contenders for the Democratic nomination get it, finally, that there is systematic racism and inequality in this country. It took a protest at NRN15 to wake up a couple of them, but they're all addressing the concerns of voters of color now. As with most other topics, all will express positions that address those important issues. Their positions will be far more similar than different.

But, some Democrats, including some candidates, still don't completely understand why focusing on economic justice is not enough. Here are some examples of why that is:

Minimum Wage - All of the Democratic candidates support an increase in this, although not all have fixed on $15 as the number. It's important, but does not address the fact that, unless you can get a job, it doesn't matter. As long as it's very difficult for many PoC to compete for jobs on an equal plane, the minimum wage isn't the most important thing. Equal access to employment and an end to selective hiring that excludes PoC is an even more important issue. This is also tied to educational issues described below.

Access to Affordable Banking & Credit - Lenders have screwed everyone over, and economic justice would get rid of predatory lending and outrageous interest rates and fees. All Democratic candidates agree on this. But that doesn't solve the problem of unequal access to banking and credit. PoC have a much higher incidence of having poor access to banking and credit than white people. Check-cashing stores and payday lenders are not the solution. That is a social justice issue.

High Cost of Education - This is a serious national problem, and all three candidates want to help lower the costs and the high penalty people pay for student loans. That's good, but it doesn't address the issue of access to higher education for PoC. It doesn't address the gap PoC face in getting educational equality in our elementary and secondary school system. There is a monstrous gap in the quality of that earlier education. Until that's solved, making higher education more affordable doesn't matter for a high percentage of students of color. They don't have equal access to higher education due to the crappy elementary and secondary educational opportunities available to them.

Systematic Racism - We have an incredibly serious problem with this, nationwide. From high arrest and conviction rates for PoC to selective and racist law enforcement procedures and a justice system that sends far too many PoC to prison for infractions that get white people no jail time at all, this affects the economic lives of PoC in many ways. The percentage of males of color who have arrest and conviction records is far higher than for white people. This impacts everything about life, and far too often actually takes the lives of People of Color at the hands of law enforcement. A person in jail or dead in the street has no economic future at all. It's a crucial issue that must be addressed by every Democratic candidate.

Social Justice Impacts Economic Justice in Every Way
If social justice issues limit access to the economic system, mere improvements in that economic system cannot provide relief to an important part of our society. Those improvements don't "trickle down" to people who lack equality in the society. Racism and discriminatory practices that affect People of Color simply don't allow them full access to our economic system. Without a serious focus on systematic and pervasive social inequality, PoC do not benefit from those changes as much as white people do. It's that simple. We must work toward change that focuses on social justice as well as economic justice. If we do not, People of Color do not benefit equally from changes that are made in economic areas. Equality is an economic issue. Unless we address that, we do not solve the problems.

All of our Democratic candidates need to adjust their focus and make it clear that economic changes without fundamental changes in equality and access to the economy are inadequate. Social Justice is as important as Economic Justice, and they are interdependent. Any candidate who does not recognize that will not have the support of voters of color. I guarantee it.



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Economic Justice alone does not address the problems of PoC. (Original Post) MineralMan Jul 2015 OP
Economics alone will also leave many without immediate support that can and should be given. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #1
That's a very good point. MineralMan Jul 2015 #2
Thanks for the thoughtful reply. NCTraveler Jul 2015 #25
My pleasure. This is one area MineralMan Jul 2015 #27
Most people vote their wallets. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #3
Not ahead. Both should be treated as the interdependent issues they are. MineralMan Jul 2015 #5
It's still a numbers game. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #34
That may be, but it shouldn't be. MineralMan Jul 2015 #36
And a message of economic inequality means nothing when.... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #6
Absolutely! And that has happened. MineralMan Jul 2015 #8
Even a bullshit arrest can cost you your job. JaneyVee Jul 2015 #13
Arrests also prevent people from even getting a job. MineralMan Jul 2015 #16
Not economic inequality; economics. BKH70041 Jul 2015 #48
How to explain Republicans then? Republican policies hurt the vast majority of Republican voters. KittyWampus Jul 2015 #9
Yes, they do. It's always puzzling, I think. MineralMan Jul 2015 #11
The Republican party has convinced many of them that they are not poor jeff47 Jul 2015 #15
Keep hammering that wedge Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #4
See my signature line. MineralMan Jul 2015 #7
You are presenting a baseless opinion then? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #12
I'm sure Jim Webb doesn't get it. DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #21
Is he even a candidate? Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #35
He said ALL of them ... I think that idenitfies them. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #26
Buzzz buzzz buzzz it's the swarm! Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #37
I can post anywhere I want ... welcome to the internet. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #41
I prefer "hothouse flower" ;~) Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #49
I did identify them. They're all missing the focus on this. MineralMan Jul 2015 #29
No, you wrote SOME CANDIDATES... Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #38
I'll just leave people to look at the candidates for themselves and MineralMan Jul 2015 #39
So you push the meme that "some candidates" don't get it... Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #40
SOME voters come across as rabid badgers Sheepshank Jul 2015 #42
I know. It's like every day someone points out Democrats don't get it!!!!!! Cosmic Kitten Jul 2015 #47
No it doesnt ibegurpard Jul 2015 #10
The theme is not either or when concerned about economic justice. mmonk Jul 2015 #14
Exactly. The two are interdependent. MineralMan Jul 2015 #19
That's because people are hurting in that regard and they see no ladders from their despair. mmonk Jul 2015 #22
Yes. I'm glad to see more candidates understanding MineralMan Jul 2015 #24
Could you point to a candidate saying economic justice alone would address all of their problems? nt jeff47 Jul 2015 #17
Of course not. It's a matter of focus. MineralMan Jul 2015 #18
Then why'd you make a post implying that was the case? jeff47 Jul 2015 #20
I can only suggest that you read the OP again. MineralMan Jul 2015 #23
Look ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #28
LOL! MineralMan Jul 2015 #30
Agree ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #32
Then why the strawman title? jeff47 Jul 2015 #33
Facts prove that Bernie is a better candidate than Clinton in the areas of both social justice Zorra Jul 2015 #31
That's for each voter to decide, I think. MineralMan Jul 2015 #45
I agree that economic equality won't realize its full impact for decades for many Baitball Blogger Jul 2015 #43
Assuming economic justice will eventually right social injustice...... Sheepshank Jul 2015 #44
Oh, economic issues certainly need action. MineralMan Jul 2015 #46
Excellent post. Cali_Democrat Jul 2015 #50
You're right. Our justice system is weighted against minorities. MineralMan Jul 2015 #51
Racism is alive and well in America Gothmog Jul 2015 #52
No question about it. Individual racists are one thing, MineralMan Jul 2015 #53
This message was self-deleted by its author untrue Jul 2015 #54
 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
1. Economics alone will also leave many without immediate support that can and should be given.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:45 AM
Jul 2015

Economic equality, under the best circumstances, won't be realized for decades. That best case scenario won't even happen in that time period in my opinion. It glosses over actions states and the federal government can take to deal with social justice immediately.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
2. That's a very good point.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:47 AM
Jul 2015

Much could be done that would have a good effect more quickly that slow-moving economic changes. Thanks for bringing this up.

I'd start by bringing the full power of the Department of Justice, including the FBI, to bear on the growing problem of unequal law enforcement and judicial prejudice. They are violations of the civil rights of citizens, and so are within the purview of the federal government.

This is something that President Obama can do at any time. Directing the FBI to investigate all police killings of POC, individually and aggressively, would be a good start. Then filing civil rights cases quickly and prosecuting them aggressively would send a message to local law enforcement that such injustice will no longer be tolerated or allowed to go unpunished.

 

NCTraveler

(30,481 posts)
25. Thanks for the thoughtful reply.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:47 PM
Jul 2015

DLC or left as could be. Really no chance at disagreement with any of them with respect to your op.

"Then filing civil rights cases quickly and prosecuting them aggressively would send a message to local law enforcement that such injustice will no longer be tolerated or allowed to go unpunished."

Just wanted to repeat that.

Federal body camera fund. Set up for all states and municipalities, yet each decides on their own. It is my understanding that would be fully constitutional. Once the fund is set up, let public demand take care of the rest.

Stopping weapons of war from going to police depts. Something Obama is working on.

Somehow, an independent group needs to be part of investigations.

Really throwing short thoughts out there.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
27. My pleasure. This is one area
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:50 PM
Jul 2015

where an administration can materially affect social justice in a meaningful way.

President Obama has done some of this, but more could be done. I know that I'd like to see more aggressive action from the Department of Justice with regard to police violence against PoC.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
3. Most people vote their wallets.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:52 AM
Jul 2015

A message of social justice ahead of economics doesn't put more coin in people's pocket. And it is a numbers game as to "If we do X, do we gain more votes than lose or vice versa."

We'll see.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
5. Not ahead. Both should be treated as the interdependent issues they are.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jul 2015

Sometimes, doing what's right is the key to getting votes. We should do what is right.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
34. It's still a numbers game.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jul 2015

“Any candidate who does not recognize that will not have the support of voters of color. I guarantee it.”

Let's take the #BlackLivesMatter issue, for example. Should the candidates embrace that? Depends on what the numbers are saying. If by embracing you pick up 3 voters, but lose 5, then the numbers say you don't embrace it. If they say you pick up 5 and lose 3, then you do. That's politics.

No doubt a lot of time and money is being spent exploring that question right now. My guess is they'll find a way to pay lip service to it in a way that doesn't isolate other voters. A happy medium, if you will.

The key is winning the office. Once you're in office, how you got there loses meaning, especially in today's political climate of “They're attacking our parties leader. Circle the wagons.”

Besides, 2016 is the last national election where this issue will hold a glimer of significance. Hispanics are becoming the new minority, and securing the majority of their votes will allow the Party to overcome any deficits that might be lost among the AA's because of policies. And there's a myriad of difference in wants and desires between those two groups. It's a numbers game.

 

JaneyVee

(19,877 posts)
6. And a message of economic inequality means nothing when....
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:58 AM
Jul 2015

People can't cash their paychecks without being killed by police.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
8. Absolutely! And that has happened.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:02 PM
Jul 2015

So has confiscation of cash, whether there is any evidence of criminal activity. It's a serious problem.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
16. Arrests also prevent people from even getting a job.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jul 2015

A single arrest can lock a person out of meaningful employment permanently. If that arrest is unjustified, as often occurs, the impact can last a lifetime and destroy a person's hope to become part of the economy. The question on most employment applications: "Have you ever been arrested?" is a terrible question for people to face. Arrests for things like "Disorderly Conduct" that never result in even a prosecution become part of your record and show up in records searches.

Think about an employer trying to decide between two people for a job. They both are equally qualified. One has an arrest on his or her record. That decision gets made on a daily basis many thousands of times. The result of that decision affects lives.

PoC are arrested for meaningless reasons far more often than white people. That's a fact.

BKH70041

(961 posts)
48. Not economic inequality; economics.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:57 PM
Jul 2015

Specifically how much money someone makes or if they even have a job. I'm not addressing economic inequality since the Democratic candidates are all going to give that issue various levels of lip service to placate a certain segment of the voters. The question then becomes to what degree does one address social justice. How many voters is that really a concern? And can losing the support of those voters be overcome by emphasizing other issues?

How many people can't cash their paychecks without a cop killing them? Now, if as a pol you address that issue, how many do you stand to gain as voters as opposed to how many might you lose?

So pols stand to gain or lose voters based upon how much emphasis they place on economic issues vs. social justice issues.

The issue of social justice will only be treated seriously in a political campaign if there's enough to be gained in contrast to how much would be lost. Numbers game.

So a message of how many people are being killed by police for cashing paychecks means nothing when you're your not in office to do anything about it. Not that anything will be done except for a few bandaids anyway, but without the right person in office they won't even get that.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
9. How to explain Republicans then? Republican policies hurt the vast majority of Republican voters.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:03 PM
Jul 2015

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
11. Yes, they do. It's always puzzling, I think.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:05 PM
Jul 2015

Maybe some folks are just too stupid or ignorant to make good judgments. I don't know.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
15. The Republican party has convinced many of them that they are not poor
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:17 PM
Jul 2015

but temporarily inconvenienced wealthy. They'd be rich too, if it weren't for all the handouts to those people.

Racism is exacerbated by economics. So is sexism. And anti-LGBT-ism. That doesn't mean economics is the root cause or can completely remove those problems. Those problems are made worse by economics because hatred gives desperate people something to cling to.

Something along the lines of:

"It's not my fault I dropped out of high school when I got knocked up and can't find a good job now. I was a victim of our permissive society. But I'm not like one of those terrible welfare queens - I really need the money. If there weren't so many of them sucking up all the money, I would have more"

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
4. Keep hammering that wedge
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 11:57 AM
Jul 2015
But, some Democrats, including some candidates, still don't completely understand why focusing on economic justice is not enough. Here are some examples of why that is:


Which CANDIDATES still don't completely understand?

Got any links?
Or is this just your opinion?

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
7. See my signature line.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:01 PM
Jul 2015

Everything I write here that is not linked to someone else's writing is my opinion. That's why the line in my signature line is there.

Yes, this is just my opinion. You might disagree with my opinion. That's fine. Think of my posts as op-eds on a subject. They're based on my observations, which are based on a wide range of inputs.

I'll leave it to you to decide which candidates don't completely understand. See, I trust your ability to do that, based on your own observations. You have correctly noticed that I did not name any particular candidate. That's because they're all at fault to some degree with regard to these issues.

Yes, this is just my opinion. Just in case you can't see my signature line, here is the relevant information:

Note: All posts written by me are my opinion only. Your opinion might differ.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
12. You are presenting a baseless opinion then?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:11 PM
Jul 2015

It seems disingenuous to state
that some candidates don't get it,
and then refuse to identify any such candidate????

Odd tactic?
Why are you reluctant to complete your
thoughts and identify said clueless candidates?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
37. Buzzz buzzz buzzz it's the swarm!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:09 PM
Jul 2015

MM, can speak for himself.
Thanks for playing

But, some Democrats, including some candidates, still don't completely understand...


Since when is ALL of them
synonymous with
"SOME" candidates?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
41. I can post anywhere I want ... welcome to the internet.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jul 2015

Some of you guys appear to be very delicate flowers.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
49. I prefer "hothouse flower" ;~)
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:58 PM
Jul 2015

In reality, more like a sun scorched
succulent on the floor of Death Valley.

BTW, thanks for the "Welcome"

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
29. I did identify them. They're all missing the focus on this.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jul 2015

Did you miss my boldfacing?

I'm not satisfied with any of them in this regard. Hence my OP.

Are you satisfied with a particular candidate on social justice issues as proposed by them in this campaign?

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
38. No, you wrote SOME CANDIDATES...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:10 PM
Jul 2015
But, some Democrats, including some candidates, still don't completely understand why focusing on economic justice is not enough.


Which candidates do YOU have in mind?

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
39. I'll just leave people to look at the candidates for themselves and
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:13 PM
Jul 2015

see what they think. And with that, I won't be active in this subthread any further.

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
40. So you push the meme that "some candidates" don't get it...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:16 PM
Jul 2015

yet you won't identify which
Democratic candidates
don't get it?

Keep hammering that wedge!

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
42. SOME voters come across as rabid badgers
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jul 2015

not sure why you fee the need to go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on

Cosmic Kitten

(3,498 posts)
47. I know. It's like every day someone points out Democrats don't get it!!!!!!
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jul 2015

Thankfully we have folks like MM
to remind us all that Economic justice
isn't the same as Social justice
and that some candidates
just don't get it!

How long will that meme be repeated?

Will it go go on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on ???

Anywhoooo, Thanks for joining the "conversation"

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
19. Exactly. The two are interdependent.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:23 PM
Jul 2015

I think the focus is too much on economic issues from all candidates, frankly. I'd like to see more focus on social justice issues from all of them. I'm sure a lot of other people would like to see that, too.

mmonk

(52,589 posts)
22. That's because people are hurting in that regard and they see no ladders from their despair.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:27 PM
Jul 2015

They are voicing it and politicians know they ignore it at their own peril.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
24. Yes. I'm glad to see more candidates understanding
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:30 PM
Jul 2015

this better and speaking on these issues. That's often what protests accomplish. It can be difficult to get issues on the agenda during campaigns. It's good to insist that they be addressed.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
17. Could you point to a candidate saying economic justice alone would address all of their problems? nt
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:19 PM
Jul 2015

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
18. Of course not. It's a matter of focus.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:21 PM
Jul 2015

No candidate would say that, but focus varies from candidate to candidate. Frankly, I'm not happy with the focus of any of the Democratic candidate with regard to this issue. That's why I mentioned no names.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
20. Then why'd you make a post implying that was the case?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:24 PM
Jul 2015

Your OP is attacking the claim economic justice will fix everything. Something you now say no candidate has claimed.

So why did you make the OP?

Frankly, I'm not happy with the focus of any of the Democratic candidate with regard to this issue.

What are they lacking?

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
23. I can only suggest that you read the OP again.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:28 PM
Jul 2015

It is my opinion about these issues. Your opinion might differ.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
28. Look ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:53 PM
Jul 2015

... either you admit that Bernie is the most bestest candidate on these issues, and that he has never not had the right focus on the distinction you are describing ... or you are part of the Rove/DNC/3rd Way/Hillary hit squad who sent BLM to attack Bernie.

Kidding of course.

Very good OP.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
32. Agree ...
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:58 PM
Jul 2015

They all tend to focus on the economic inequality piece, and miss the social justice piece. And I think you are correct, its comes out in the extent to which they focus on one aspect or the other. Its ok to say they are higjly related, but if you then use that to pivot back to just the economic part, you are missing the mark.

Bernie has been so forceful on the economic part, that its easy to conclude he might not really get this distinction. And to be concerned about that.

But dare not say that out loud around here ... if you point it out ... you have smeared the only hope our nation has. And you will be scorned for sure.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
33. Then why the strawman title?
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 01:18 PM
Jul 2015

If no candidate is saying economic issues alone can fix racial issues, why the strawman in the title?

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
31. Facts prove that Bernie is a better candidate than Clinton in the areas of both social justice
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 12:55 PM
Jul 2015

and economic justice by a country mile.

Proven repeatedly by records and facts, and put side by side, Clinton is not a contender.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
45. That's for each voter to decide, I think.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:32 PM
Jul 2015

And decide they will, most certainly. We'll get the results of those decisions next year at some point.

Baitball Blogger

(46,776 posts)
43. I agree that economic equality won't realize its full impact for decades for many
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jul 2015

minorities, but I will say that it offers an offensive game. You will be hitting the areas where prejudices are allowed to run amok directly, if you include it as a strategy to racial equality.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
44. Assuming economic justice will eventually right social injustice......
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:29 PM
Jul 2015

....feels an aweful lot like Ronnie Trickle Down economics.

It's been a several decades long failure. It's time to address problems directly instead of dancing around and fixing everything else hoping the real problem accidentally gets fixed along the way.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
46. Oh, economic issues certainly need action.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 02:35 PM
Jul 2015

But social justice issues also need actions that will take effect promptly. Those issues often have a massive day to day impact on people, and in ways that can be a matter of life and death.

With some blocs of voters, what candidates say and support will make the difference in how they vote. And it should.

 

Cali_Democrat

(30,439 posts)
50. Excellent post.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:08 PM
Jul 2015

You pretty much nailed it.

One more thing I would expand on is how the justice system in America is rigged against minorities.

One example is how blacks are punished more than whites for committing the same crimes.

This inequity causes issues for minorities down the road when looking for opportunities to move up the economic ladder. The disadvantage is already baked into the cake.

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
51. You're right. Our justice system is weighted against minorities.
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:11 PM
Jul 2015

I touched on that, but thanks for expanding on the idea.

Starting with law enforcement and continuing into the rest of the justice system, there is heavy bias and racism in effect. We need to change that, starting from the top and working right down to local jurisdictions. That's crucial. A person with an arrest or conviction record is locked out of the mainstream economy forever.

That is a plague on social AND economic justice.

Gothmog

(145,821 posts)
52. Racism is alive and well in America
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:28 PM
Jul 2015

If you need any proof look at the steps being taken by the GOP to suppress the vote of minority voters

MineralMan

(146,346 posts)
53. No question about it. Individual racists are one thing,
Thu Jul 23, 2015, 03:32 PM
Jul 2015

but systematic racism destroys lives and prevents people from having any chance of succeeding. It is institutional racism at all levels that cripples this country and makes progress impossible for more people than anyone can imagine.

It exists in government and in private industry at all levels. Economic changes will do nothing to eliminate it. It's going to take strong leadership that is focused on that, along with changes in the laws and serious investigation of incidents, with prosecutions where needed. Without a strong focus, nothing will happen to change anything.

That's why I wrote this OP. It seems obvious to me, and I want to hear candidates speak strongly about these issues.

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