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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:15 PM Jul 2015

Liberals’ Attacks on Cornel West Expose Their Political Bankruptcy

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Cornel West is a hero—absolutely, unequivocally a hero. And he is one of the few heroes the Left has today. Unfortunately, that has never stopped liberals from throwing them under the bus.


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Liberals should be much more concerned about the innumerable ghosts of the victims of their leader’s (Obama's) policies ...


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The fact of the matter is West’s heated criticisms of Obama are the logical result of a morally consistent human being seeing the horrors for which the Obama administration has been responsible.


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For starters, the idea that West loathes Obama is incredibly misguided. West is the polar opposite of a hate-filled person; he constantly speaks of love, and firmly opposes Obama’s reactionary policies, not his being. In a 2014 interview on Democracy Now, West in fact remarked of Obama, “when I say when I love the brother, it means we have to tell the truth about him.”


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The evidence overwhelmingly shows that Cornel West is absolutely correct in his insistence that Obama “posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency.” This presidency is also built upon the expansion of murderous imperialism in the Middle East, upon the adoption of neoliberal trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) (often described as “NAFTA on steroids”), upon the mass deportation and inhumane and illegal internment of millions of Latino immigrants and refugees, upon the privatization of prisons, upon the McCarthyist crackdown on whistleblowers, and more.





http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/21/liberals-attacks-on-cornel-west-expose-their-political-bankruptcy/













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Liberals’ Attacks on Cornel West Expose Their Political Bankruptcy (Original Post) snagglepuss Jul 2015 OP
Yawn. JoePhilly Jul 2015 #1
Yawn? Really? Yawn in the face of the fact prison privatisation is related to increased black snagglepuss Jul 2015 #4
Yea ... the instance you refer to the "ghosts of (Obama's) victims" ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #7
That is a quote from the article which if you read it you would snagglepuss Jul 2015 #14
Me too. Nap time. bravenak Jul 2015 #27
This seems to be another thinly veiled attempt to tell the African American community what to think stevenleser Jul 2015 #42
yawn - counterpunch OKNancy Jul 2015 #2
Yawn in face of the fact that Obama appointee Larry Summers recommended toxic waste snagglepuss Jul 2015 #6
I almost want to ... JoePhilly Jul 2015 #8
Sorry not all AAs are going to allow the White Political Class to silence them sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #40
What is Obama's approval rating among blacks? mythology Jul 2015 #45
How many young, AAs are polled at all in this 'dem base' polls? Do you know? sabrina 1 Jul 2015 #46
Oddly enough.... JaneyVee Jul 2015 #3
Yep, see my #42 above. nt stevenleser Jul 2015 #43
What makes West a hero? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #5
Talking truth to power, and doing so knowing full well that snagglepuss Jul 2015 #9
That doesn't make him a hero Renew Deal Jul 2015 #10
West does not make his statements anonymously so he is nothing like snagglepuss Jul 2015 #15
What great personal cost? Renew Deal Jul 2015 #21
Well said! Throw it! JustAnotherGen Jul 2015 #31
He is a public figure, one who once enjoyed high standing snagglepuss Jul 2015 #38
Cornel West's Attacks on Obama Exposes His Political Bankruptcy uhnope Jul 2015 #11
Thanks for this. They are so transparent. Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #13
Please! Ya'll didn't know shit about Cornel West until he started to hate on Obama and Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #12
Bullshit. I read West years ago when I was studying William James. snagglepuss Jul 2015 #16
None of these liberals embraced West to this great extent UNTIL he started to diss Obama. TRUTH! Liberal_Stalwart71 Jul 2015 #17
You have no basis for that statement, however what is true is that snagglepuss Jul 2015 #20
Fact, there may be one or two out of THOUSANDS who knew who he was before he randys1 Jul 2015 #32
From what hat do you pull your facts? snagglepuss Jul 2015 #35
what a steaming crock of horseshit, I bought his book Race Matters when it first came out. m-lekktor Jul 2015 #18
I half agree with this whatchamacallit Jul 2015 #23
I have to agree with that. zappaman Jul 2015 #30
he was especially well known to whites reddread Jul 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Sheepshank Jul 2015 #19
What a sad, angry little man. zappaman Jul 2015 #22
Sad and angry that a man he supported didn't support whistleblowers, snagglepuss Jul 2015 #25
No, a sad and angry little man zappaman Jul 2015 #28
Ahahahah... SidDithers Jul 2015 #24
and Mumia reddread Jul 2015 #26
Cornel West speaks for Cornel West. Other commentators have different perspectives still_one Jul 2015 #29
What? Who attacks Cornel West? I love his quotes, they blast right through layers of boring media. Sunlei Jul 2015 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author DonViejo Jul 2015 #34
Professor West is an extremely intelligent individual, who Zorra Jul 2015 #36
Do you agree with West that Obama is first niggerized president? Drunken Irishman Jul 2015 #39
trash thread. "Brother West" can go Cheney himeslf nt geek tragedy Jul 2015 #41
Cornel West: every Obama haters "black friend". nt sufrommich Jul 2015 #44
He's a leader in the Democratic Socialists of America DemocraticWing Jul 2015 #47

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
4. Yawn? Really? Yawn in the face of the fact prison privatisation is related to increased black
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:31 PM
Jul 2015

incarceration?

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
7. Yea ... the instance you refer to the "ghosts of (Obama's) victims" ...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:35 PM
Jul 2015

... you've lost any credibility on whatever point you think you are trying to make ... and its clear the rest will be unhinged ranting.

And I tend to lose interest in that nonsense pretty quickly.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
14. That is a quote from the article which if you read it you would
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:53 PM
Jul 2015

know it relates to an MSNBC piece entitled “The Ghost of Cornel West” which Nortons refers to:

The MSNBC analyst’s essay “The Ghost of Cornel West” exemplifies what is precisely the problem with liberals. They will side (and gleefully, at that) with neoliberal leaders who consider the lives of people in the Global South less valuable than those of Westerners, who wage genocidal wars, and who destroy economies with structural adjustment programs and odious debt, over radical justice-seekers because, in their myopic, ahistorical, and frankly ignorant view, it is “arguably more beneficial” to do so.

Liberals should be much more concerned about the innumerable ghosts of the victims of their leader’s policies than they are about the ghost of one of his most strident critics.
 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
42. This seems to be another thinly veiled attempt to tell the African American community what to think
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 11:18 AM
Jul 2015

The folks most upset at West and Smiley are the politically active folks here in Harlem.

They see through the B.S. and don't forget why West and Smiley got mad at Obama in the first place (inauguration seats) and they do not appreciate it.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
6. Yawn in face of the fact that Obama appointee Larry Summers recommended toxic waste
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:33 PM
Jul 2015

be shipped to the Global south.

JoePhilly

(27,787 posts)
8. I almost want to ...
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:37 PM
Jul 2015

... show him this ...



... and then ask for him to point out where Obama touched him.

But I won't.

But it will be interesting to see how his list of Obama's evil deeds expands in this thread.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
40. Sorry not all AAs are going to allow the White Political Class to silence them
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 10:44 AM
Jul 2015

West never was someone who held back on speaking the truth. Not convenient to hear AAs speaking for themselves when it goes against the 'message' conjured up in the minds of those who are concerned ONLY about 'winning' whatever that is. Doesn't look like much has been won for AAs and West and other prominent AAs know this.

 

mythology

(9,527 posts)
45. What is Obama's approval rating among blacks?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:40 PM
Jul 2015

Last I saw it was in the mid80s. Based on that, can you claim that West is actually representing blacks better than Obama?

West is a hack with a vastly over inflated self worth.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
46. How many young, AAs are polled at all in this 'dem base' polls? Do you know?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jul 2015

Anyone young, not registered to vote, without a landline, not on the 'list' of registered Dems which is now down to just 32% of registered voters, and what % of those voters are AA and what % of that % of all AAs in the country is that?

Most young people I know have never been polled eg. However my MIL was polled on a regular basis, due to the fact that she fit the description I outlined above of those who are even on the pollsters radar, longtime registered Dem, landline.

Do you know how many AAs are NOT registered, how many are Repubs, how many are Independents?? A whole lot more than the small number who ARE registered Dems and who have landlines.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
9. Talking truth to power, and doing so knowing full well that
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:39 PM
Jul 2015

his condemnation of Obama's policies would make him an object of contempt of many of his brothers and sisters in the AA community.

Renew Deal

(81,889 posts)
10. That doesn't make him a hero
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:48 PM
Jul 2015

That makes him no different than anyone on DU. He's not putting out fires, landing planes in he river, or saving lives by giving healthcare to millions. That's heroic.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
15. West does not make his statements anonymously so he is nothing like
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:27 PM
Jul 2015

99% of DUers. The definition of hero

1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.

2.a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal:



West heroism resides in his morally consistency, if you recall West was a vociferous supporter of Obama but changed his position once he saw the Obama admin take shape and set course. His outspoken criticism of Obama has come at a great personal cost, the fact that he continues to speak truth to power in face of immense hostility from his own community is heroic because standing up publicly, not anonymously, through thick and thin, for one's principles is heroic.

Renew Deal

(81,889 posts)
21. What great personal cost?
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:47 PM
Jul 2015

He's not a political prisoner. He still gets his bookings. He's just another Obama critic. If that's the criteria for heroism, Fox News is full of heroes. Being a critic of the president doesn't make one a hero. There are tons of Obama critics.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
38. He is a public figure, one who once enjoyed high standing
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:35 AM
Jul 2015

among a wide number. That has changed now many who once revered him now revile him and to be reviled by one's own community is not something anyone of his stature would gladly seek. What public intellectual who is not on the Left has stood up for his or her principles in face of such hostility? I can't name one. Can you?

 

uhnope

(6,419 posts)
11. Cornel West's Attacks on Obama Exposes His Political Bankruptcy
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:51 PM
Jul 2015

That's what you meant, right?

Or maybe:

Counterpunch's Salivating over Cornel West Exposes Their Political Bankruptcy

Actually, I think Counterpunch is strongly projecting when they talk about "Political Bankruptcy." Speaking of projection:

the "utter hilarity" of West's statements, writing that his comments are a "classic projection of his own comfortably ensconced life at Harvard and Princeton Universities" and that West "offers thin criticism of president Obama and stunning insight into the delicate ego of the self-appointed black leadership class".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West#Views_on_Barack_Obama

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
12. Please! Ya'll didn't know shit about Cornel West until he started to hate on Obama and
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 05:52 PM
Jul 2015

embrace Bernie. He became a tool of liberals who hate the president. Prior to that, ya'll didn't know shit about the man.

Many of us, especially POC have studied West's work for many, many years. We know this man and we know his work.

He has become a caricature and he has lost credibility because he has allowed his personal hatred of President Obama to guide his every waking move in the last few years.

He's a charlatan.

snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
20. You have no basis for that statement, however what is true is that
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:46 PM
Jul 2015

AAs embraced West until he stood by his principles and criticized Obama's policies.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
32. Fact, there may be one or two out of THOUSANDS who knew who he was before he
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:15 PM
Jul 2015

went after Obama, but no more than that.

You are being lectured to again.

m-lekktor

(3,675 posts)
18. what a steaming crock of horseshit, I bought his book Race Matters when it first came out.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:40 PM
Jul 2015

I used to watch him on C-SPAN and political chat shows he appeared on in the 90's as did many others on the left. Anybody on the left who has followed politics for awhile has heard about him or seen him speak at events!. Low information people who only participate or follow simplistic binary partisan politics might not have heard of him but activist leftists who have been around most certainly have. Obama supporters only started hating him for the same reason they hate anybody who criticizes Obama.

your post is truly ridiculous!

whatchamacallit

(15,558 posts)
23. I half agree with this
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:49 PM
Jul 2015

I used to love him on the original Crossfire (Braden, Buchanan/Novak). I thought he was an important voice. Still do in some regards. But I think his animus for Obama has gotten the best of him.

 

reddread

(6,896 posts)
37. he was especially well known to whites
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:33 AM
Jul 2015

if only because the list of non-white national political figures is not coincidentally shorter than it should be.
perhaps another needs removing, and the list shortened?
Have we hit zero?
Are right wing alternatives preferred subjects for respectful discussion?

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snagglepuss

(12,704 posts)
25. Sad and angry that a man he supported didn't support whistleblowers,
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 06:59 PM
Jul 2015

Sad and angry

...about the victims of Obama’s drone war, which Chomsky calls “the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times”; about Obama’s steadfast support for Israel during its summer 2014 massacre of over 2,300 Gazans, in which itintentionally targeted civilians; or about Obama’s mass deportations of over two million people—to name just a few of his positively reactionary policies

zappaman

(20,606 posts)
28. No, a sad and angry little man
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:04 PM
Jul 2015

Who was so upset that he received one ticket to the 2009 inauguration instead of the requested three that afterward he compared Obama to Machiavelli.

Poor sad little man.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. What? Who attacks Cornel West? I love his quotes, they blast right through layers of boring media.
Tue Jul 21, 2015, 07:25 PM
Jul 2015
I always thought Obama was a moderate

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Zorra

(27,670 posts)
36. Professor West is an extremely intelligent individual, who
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 12:31 AM
Jul 2015

is not afraid to speak his mind no matter how unpopular his observations may make him among conservatives of all stripe.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
39. Do you agree with West that Obama is first niggerized president?
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 02:12 AM
Jul 2015


Do you think Obama is just Kenny G in black face?

DemocraticWing

(1,290 posts)
47. He's a leader in the Democratic Socialists of America
Wed Jul 22, 2015, 01:23 PM
Jul 2015

That's the closest thing we have to a leftist organization in the Democratic Party (well, they're kind of half-in, half-out) so I respect his opinions on a lot of things. I give Obama more credit than he does however.

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