2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumLiberals’ Attacks on Cornel West Expose Their Political Bankruptcy
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Cornel West is a heroabsolutely, unequivocally a hero. And he is one of the few heroes the Left has today. Unfortunately, that has never stopped liberals from throwing them under the bus.
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Liberals should be much more concerned about the innumerable ghosts of the victims of their leaders (Obama's) policies ...
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The fact of the matter is Wests heated criticisms of Obama are the logical result of a morally consistent human being seeing the horrors for which the Obama administration has been responsible.
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For starters, the idea that West loathes Obama is incredibly misguided. West is the polar opposite of a hate-filled person; he constantly speaks of love, and firmly opposes Obamas reactionary policies, not his being. In a 2014 interview on Democracy Now, West in fact remarked of Obama, when I say when I love the brother, it means we have to tell the truth about him.
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The evidence overwhelmingly shows that Cornel West is absolutely correct in his insistence that Obama posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency. This presidency is also built upon the expansion of murderous imperialism in the Middle East, upon the adoption of neoliberal trade agreements like the Trans-Pacific Partnership (TPP) (often described as NAFTA on steroids), upon the mass deportation and inhumane and illegal internment of millions of Latino immigrants and refugees, upon the privatization of prisons, upon the McCarthyist crackdown on whistleblowers, and more.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/04/21/liberals-attacks-on-cornel-west-expose-their-political-bankruptcy/
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)incarceration?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... you've lost any credibility on whatever point you think you are trying to make ... and its clear the rest will be unhinged ranting.
And I tend to lose interest in that nonsense pretty quickly.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)know it relates to an MSNBC piece entitled The Ghost of Cornel West which Nortons refers to:
The MSNBC analysts essay The Ghost of Cornel West exemplifies what is precisely the problem with liberals. They will side (and gleefully, at that) with neoliberal leaders who consider the lives of people in the Global South less valuable than those of Westerners, who wage genocidal wars, and who destroy economies with structural adjustment programs and odious debt, over radical justice-seekers because, in their myopic, ahistorical, and frankly ignorant view, it is arguably more beneficial to do so.
Liberals should be much more concerned about the innumerable ghosts of the victims of their leaders policies than they are about the ghost of one of his most strident critics.
bravenak
(34,648 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)The folks most upset at West and Smiley are the politically active folks here in Harlem.
They see through the B.S. and don't forget why West and Smiley got mad at Obama in the first place (inauguration seats) and they do not appreciate it.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)be shipped to the Global south.
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... show him this ...
... and then ask for him to point out where Obama touched him.
But I won't.
But it will be interesting to see how his list of Obama's evil deeds expands in this thread.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)West never was someone who held back on speaking the truth. Not convenient to hear AAs speaking for themselves when it goes against the 'message' conjured up in the minds of those who are concerned ONLY about 'winning' whatever that is. Doesn't look like much has been won for AAs and West and other prominent AAs know this.
mythology
(9,527 posts)Last I saw it was in the mid80s. Based on that, can you claim that West is actually representing blacks better than Obama?
West is a hack with a vastly over inflated self worth.
sabrina 1
(62,325 posts)Anyone young, not registered to vote, without a landline, not on the 'list' of registered Dems which is now down to just 32% of registered voters, and what % of those voters are AA and what % of that % of all AAs in the country is that?
Most young people I know have never been polled eg. However my MIL was polled on a regular basis, due to the fact that she fit the description I outlined above of those who are even on the pollsters radar, longtime registered Dem, landline.
Do you know how many AAs are NOT registered, how many are Repubs, how many are Independents?? A whole lot more than the small number who ARE registered Dems and who have landlines.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Most of the liberals I see that loathe West are black liberals.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)his condemnation of Obama's policies would make him an object of contempt of many of his brothers and sisters in the AA community.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)That makes him no different than anyone on DU. He's not putting out fires, landing planes in he river, or saving lives by giving healthcare to millions. That's heroic.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)99% of DUers. The definition of hero
1. a man of distinguished courage or ability, admired for his brave deeds and noble qualities.
2.a person who, in the opinion of others, has heroic qualities or has performed a heroic act and is regarded as a model or ideal:
West heroism resides in his morally consistency, if you recall West was a vociferous supporter of Obama but changed his position once he saw the Obama admin take shape and set course. His outspoken criticism of Obama has come at a great personal cost, the fact that he continues to speak truth to power in face of immense hostility from his own community is heroic because standing up publicly, not anonymously, through thick and thin, for one's principles is heroic.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)He's not a political prisoner. He still gets his bookings. He's just another Obama critic. If that's the criteria for heroism, Fox News is full of heroes. Being a critic of the president doesn't make one a hero. There are tons of Obama critics.
JustAnotherGen
(31,980 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)among a wide number. That has changed now many who once revered him now revile him and to be reviled by one's own community is not something anyone of his stature would gladly seek. What public intellectual who is not on the Left has stood up for his or her principles in face of such hostility? I can't name one. Can you?
uhnope
(6,419 posts)That's what you meant, right?
Or maybe:
Counterpunch's Salivating over Cornel West Exposes Their Political Bankruptcy
Actually, I think Counterpunch is strongly projecting when they talk about "Political Bankruptcy." Speaking of projection:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornel_West#Views_on_Barack_Obama
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)embrace Bernie. He became a tool of liberals who hate the president. Prior to that, ya'll didn't know shit about the man.
Many of us, especially POC have studied West's work for many, many years. We know this man and we know his work.
He has become a caricature and he has lost credibility because he has allowed his personal hatred of President Obama to guide his every waking move in the last few years.
He's a charlatan.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)AAs embraced West until he stood by his principles and criticized Obama's policies.
randys1
(16,286 posts)went after Obama, but no more than that.
You are being lectured to again.
snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Since you state its a fact, please cite your source.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)I used to watch him on C-SPAN and political chat shows he appeared on in the 90's as did many others on the left. Anybody on the left who has followed politics for awhile has heard about him or seen him speak at events!. Low information people who only participate or follow simplistic binary partisan politics might not have heard of him but activist leftists who have been around most certainly have. Obama supporters only started hating him for the same reason they hate anybody who criticizes Obama.
your post is truly ridiculous!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I used to love him on the original Crossfire (Braden, Buchanan/Novak). I thought he was an important voice. Still do in some regards. But I think his animus for Obama has gotten the best of him.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)It sucks to see it.
reddread
(6,896 posts)if only because the list of non-white national political figures is not coincidentally shorter than it should be.
perhaps another needs removing, and the list shortened?
Have we hit zero?
Are right wing alternatives preferred subjects for respectful discussion?
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zappaman
(20,606 posts)snagglepuss
(12,704 posts)Sad and angry
...about the victims of Obamas drone war, which Chomsky calls the most extreme terrorist campaign of modern times; about Obamas steadfast support for Israel during its summer 2014 massacre of over 2,300 Gazans, in which itintentionally targeted civilians; or about Obamas mass deportations of over two million peopleto name just a few of his positively reactionary policies
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Who was so upset that he received one ticket to the 2009 inauguration instead of the requested three that afterward he compared Obama to Machiavelli.
Poor sad little man.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Ow. My sides. Please stop.
Sid
reddread
(6,896 posts)Its hard out there for racial justice hypocrites.
still_one
(92,482 posts)Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Response to snagglepuss (Original post)
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Zorra
(27,670 posts)is not afraid to speak his mind no matter how unpopular his observations may make him among conservatives of all stripe.
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)Do you think Obama is just Kenny G in black face?
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)sufrommich
(22,871 posts)DemocraticWing
(1,290 posts)That's the closest thing we have to a leftist organization in the Democratic Party (well, they're kind of half-in, half-out) so I respect his opinions on a lot of things. I give Obama more credit than he does however.