2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIowa Student Tells CNN How Hillary Planted Question in Crowd
Here is video link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=yBmake0akGw
This is probably still going on
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I have zero problem with planted questions.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)I prefer things to be as they seem instead of fake and staged.
Here is link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?&v=yBmake0akGw
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)You are going to be disappointed a lot. Every candidate plants questions. Every single one. When O'Malley and Sanders do the talk show circuit don't think they haven't worked out certain questions in advance with hosts along with the opportunity to elaborate. It would truly be stupid if they didn't. It is a great way to get to know the candidates deeper thoughts on issues. It is a positive. Not a negative. Then again, there are people here completely opposed to lobbyists. Not partially. Totally. Not just the revolving door, which I am strongly against, but lobbyists as a whole. That thought in itself goes completely against the concept of a Representative Republic and almost all other forms of democracy. Certain things I really don't mind being an outsider on du. The list is shore. Planted questions are perfectly fine with me, as they are with politicians. It happens every single Sunday on your tv with every politician who does an interview.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)It isn't his style any more than polling is.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I wouldn't find it to be a positive or negative if he did or didn't. I just don't see this as some kind of gotcha. Sanders has gone into numerous interviews knowing what the initial questions are going to be. It's called the Sunday morning talk circuit. I'm sure O'Malley has done the same. I think Clinton by far leads in message control in this area.
Why doesn't it bother me? It gives candidates the opportunity to give more thoughtful and detailed answers. I also know that the primary and general are so long that no candidate can make it through on planted questions alone. It's impossible.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I don't see them as "planted" questions.
I don't see planted questions as unethical. It just leads to a more scripted performance during Q and A which I am not a fan of.
If Bernie wants to say something about a particular issue, he puts it into his stump speech.
Q and A should bring up issues that are outside of his plans.
still_one
(92,409 posts)from BLM................. (Sarcasm)
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)I think that they would have been better served by protesting Hillary.
I think that I see why BLM protesters are shouting.
still_one
(92,409 posts)actually went on to address some of their concerns as evidenced by the applause by some within that audience to his remarks.
Walk away
(9,494 posts)Everything is either about Banks, 1% or the price of cable boxes. I realize that is being facetious but honestly, any question he is asked always circles back to his limited message. Probably one of the reasons that BLM was so frustrated with him.
virtualobserver
(8,760 posts)and I think that he does see economic issues at the root of a lot of things.
He didn't just march with Rev. King , he took on MLK's economic ideas
like democratic socialism.
http://nebraskansforpeace.org/mlk-justice
he might need to tweak his language a bit, but Bernie is Bernie.
LuvLoogie
(7,034 posts)For the past few years I have listened to him on Thom Hartman's "Breakfast" or "Brunch with Bernie" It's the same damned show every week after week. The same answers with the exact same wording, week after week.
And, yes, the answer to 75% of all questions and comments is the SAME ANSWER.
Bernie has a lot to say about where we are and how we got there; hindsight is 20/20. And he has a lot to say about where we should be.
BUT, he is really thin on how to get there. He has stayed in Vermont most of his life as a government official. He has't built any coalition or base of influence. He is a lone wolf trying to be President, and politics is more than making great speeches to sympathetic audiences.
Bill Clinton and Barack Obama are in a class by themselves. Great speakers and great relationship builders. Hillary Clinton has a different kind of charisma, a behind the scenes, "I want to work with her" presence, it seems.
That 30 to 50 point lead has been built over a life of service.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)This is a public event where the questions are set to appear spontaneous. With a Sunday talk show the fact that the event is staged is obvious.
I don't disagree that it is almost certain that most candidates and politicians do this kind of planting. Nevertheless, it is disingenious. Watching the video my heart goes out to the college student. She is getting a lesson in how the world actually works and she recognizes that. Ah, to be young and naive!
If I had been in her shoes I'd have hoped I had had the guts to actually ask my question and not theirs. Or even better, I would be interested to see her reaction had I asked "So Senator Clinton, how do you feel about your campaign planting questions in the audience at your campaign events?"
Sometimes reality accidentally shows through but you've got to be attentive to notice it. As an aside - isn't this a tactic prefected by snake oil salesmen and evangelists? That in and of itself is telling.
djean111
(14,255 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Our last president was mocked and criticized for having plants in his audiences.
Note: I haven't watched the video yet.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)2007. Not sure why that would change my opinion in any way. Clearly it isn't a talk show. Also, to anyone willing to be honest, this clearly isn't anything new.
Luminous Animal
(27,310 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)"Now it's 95 and they clock me and watch Me
Diamonds shinin' lookin' like I robbed Liberace"...
My online ignorance includes not knowing what "/nt" means. Can you clue me in?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)I was told to put it in when there's nothing in the text box...
1monster
(11,012 posts)He was well-known for his flamboyance. (Man, am I starting to feel OLD. )
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)I was just wondering its relevance to this thread and my post.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)It really can be a way to get a deeper understanding of where a candidate stands on a specific issue. I get why some might think it is taboo, I'm just not one of them. I know that the primary and general election are dragged on for so long that no candidate can go the whole process with nothing but planted questions. Just the opposite.
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)I do believe that many questions are off the cuff, but the planted questions can permit the candidate to talk about a specific issue that is near and dear to them, and gives the candidate a chance to go into detail.
It's a campaign strategy and they all do it.
And for those that don't think questions are ever staged in some way.....there is nothing noble in "Hoping" a candidates message gets out there by accident.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)A position that is not base in reality in any way at all. While I do think it is good to know, it is negative in no way. I would like to contrast the treatment of this young woman by Clinton supports compared to the treatment of anyone questioning Sanders. It's night and day. You would know every detail of her life at this point if she said something about Sanders.
okasha
(11,573 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)the candidate is unable to answer an actual question, it is a problem.
HRC is running on being knowledgeable about the issues we face and how to solve them. This cuts not only to her credibility, but to her viability as a candidate.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)If you can say that.......
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)she pretends to be, then she is not as viable a candidate as we think.
Lets see how she does in the debates.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)"but to her viability as a candidate"
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)assuming she wins the nomination.
If she doesn't have a firm grasp of the issues then she has nothing. Her "wonkishness" is her one and only hope to become President.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Sorry, still laughing. Hard to really discuss something with someone who would believe something like that. I truly couldn't make this up. I don't have it in me. Hillary isn't viable. Wow.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Reading comprehension counts.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)I appreciate you giving me a big chuckle this morning.
"IF she isn't knowledgeable."
That really makes it even more funny. I so appreciate you making me smile. That in itself is priceless.
pocoloco
(3,180 posts)NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)Righties can be so childish. Even the arrogance is off the charts. Look, or righty got one over on the smartest woman in the world. Can you believe it, his crossed his fingers. My hero. lol. I have been given some good laughs here this morning. Thanks for that one. I get what you are saying about some thinking they are witty when it is simply childish behavior. Still, it's funny sometimes. It's just what some guys do when they are in the presence of a strong woman.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)There's lots of ways to deal with an issue that you want to talk about without manipulating the situation. Why can't she just bring it up herself?
Why are you okay with her making it appear that a young person had a real interest in this question? I'm interested in your thinking.
Why not just script the town hall/rally/Q&A altogether? Why bother to have any of it be spontaneous?
Why not make it all producedlike "reality" TV?
zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..probably lost this young voter who said she wanted a "real conversation".
Suggest you watch her video to the end and see the effect the plant had on her.
Trust is the main issue people have with Hillary. This is but a small example that shows why that is.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)As to you other question, I have elaborated multiple times. If this is of concern to you and has taken you out of her corner, come take a look at O'Malley. By far the most accomplished progressive running. Thanks.
1monster
(11,012 posts)as many events as she could to gather information. She was thrilled to be seeing the person "who might be the next president."
I got the impression that she was excited at the possibility of Hillary, but was somewhat put off by the manipulation.
She may still end up voting for Hillary, but some of the shine has gone out of it for her. When you lose the shine, voting becomes a chore rather than a pleasure. And many people avoid or procrastinate (terminally) on chores.
NCTraveler
(30,481 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)Rationing my data, so I didn't watch, but I'm bookmarking.
Shill-gate!
(OK, that's not fair. Yet.)
George II
(67,782 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)bvf
(6,604 posts)if Sanders's votes in the 90s are fodder for discussion, then so is this (put as many exclamation points as you like here, George).
BOOM!
TM99
(8,352 posts)This is the Clinton machine. It is well oiled, well scripted, Madison Avenue approved, and slick as can be. I mean she can afford it with all of that money she is getting so why not? She wants to be president very very bad!
onehandle
(51,122 posts)Our Next President!
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)-Bryant Gumbel
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)voted to fund the war, fund the expansion of troops, etc. The war is on Bernie's hands as much as Hillary. She does not run around denying her vote, explained why she voted this way. She also voted yes on the AUMF. She doesn't deny this either.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)You have to know how to use regurgitated talking points for it to make sense.
You're talking about the 2001 AUMF that authorized the invasion of Afghanistan and other "anti-terrorist" operations. It didn't authorize the invasion of Iraq. Hillary voted for that.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)to have the funds for the war. Yes, makes sense.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)THE AUMF in Iraq was this:
Again here:
H.J.Res. 114 (107th): Authorization for Use of Military Force Against Iraq Resolution of 2002
See Sanders vote here:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/votes/107-2002/h455
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)DhhD
(4,695 posts)And, "Are you backed by Big Oil; and if so what is your Climate Change Policy"?
In my opinion these questions are coming? Brainwashing and hiding are not a characteristic of a viable candidate for many Americans. We are tired of corporate shit running down our economy and the very planet that gives us life.
George II
(67,782 posts)just us
(105 posts)Anyone who has a planned question problem needs to look of the last 20 years of right wing and/or tea bag staged meetings. Most of them even had restricted entry.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)right wing/ tea bag campaigning.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)... authentic and Clinton.
'Nuf said.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)white people"?
I despise the woman! But admittedly, Bernie has a lot of work to do, too.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... when they call in to his weekly town hall session with Thom Hartmann on his radio show for the last decade?
NO! Bernie is prepared for spontaneous questioning and thinks on his feet, and answers honestly with his heart. He has gotten used to spontaneous conversations on a very frequent basis that has not only a local but national audience.
Now, obviously call screeners are trying to make sure that someone isn't trying to do something crazy like curse on the air or things like that, but I don't think they are saying "here are the list of questions you can choose from to ask Bernie." There might be a topic of the day that they try to have thematic questions for and encourage people to call about even on the air, but the caller I believe is free to ask their own question.
If Hillary wants to show that she can be as spontaneous and honest responding to people's questions, then maybe she should agree to doing a special session or two with Thom Hartmann a certain week. Hartmann has issued challenges and a welcome for other candidates to share an hour with him on his show like he does Bernie.
And for those that feel Bernie avoids BLM people that they feel they can't just ask normal questions but need to protest him instead, maybe some should try calling in on the Brunch with Bernie segments that Hartmann has. Not sure how many Bernie has in the coming weeks with his busy campaign schedule, but I'm guessing they'll be fitting a few in, usually on Friday morning the first hour of Hartmann's show at noon eastern time.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Some of you Bernie fans are not winning over black voters with your condescension. You need to stop this shit. STOP IT!
Bernie knows how to address his audience. Allow him to do so. He doesn't need his fans to lecture black voters or tell black voters what to do. We are quite intelligent people and we'll make up our own minds.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)to say "Shutup", now that would be classy, huh.
jalan48
(13,886 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)jalan48
(13,886 posts)I just wanted to meet with you but I'm all booked up this week. How about I give you a call next week? That's right, don't call me, I'll call you. Have a nice day!
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)are not also staged?
For all we know, every question she answers is planted.
The debates will be very telling.
Buns_of_Fire
(17,197 posts)The campaigns dictate everything else, I'm sure they also insist on a general outline of the topics so their candidate doesn't look foolish. The only "think on your feet" moments are when one candidate casually tosses a grenade into one of the other's laps (so to speak).
That's why the League of Women Voters stopped sponsoring them. In their own words, "The League has no intention of becoming an accessory to the hoodwinking of the American public."
(See http://lwv.org/press-releases/league-refuses-help-perpetrate-fraud )
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)But I imagine she felt obligated to them for taking the ride.
newfie11
(8,159 posts)Not suprised, trump paid $50 a head for actors to attend his speech.
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Making mountains out of molehills is hard work. Newsmax hearts you!
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Bradical79
(4,490 posts)As far as all the unethical things politicians do, this is extremely minor and questionably timed, but still a little depressing for some of us.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)It's a matter of values I guess.
Gman
(24,780 posts)You may not know that in our democracy, things just don't happen by chance. This is pretty much SOP in every campaign.
And if the Sanders campaign isn't doing it yet because his support is pretty narrow and defined and predictable, he will definitely start doing it after the BLM incident to better control ambushes.
vanlassie
(5,689 posts)"Overheard" huddling with Bill saying some poor regular family had not gotten in to the event for some sad reason so didn't he think they should give them some special passes or some such thing. I winced, as a supporter, because it looked and sounded so staged. ....But planted questions? No biggie, to me.
Indepatriot
(1,253 posts)have a very tenuous relationship...
George II
(67,782 posts)Below the video:
Uploaded on Nov 13, 2007
Iowa Muriel Gallo Tells CNN How Hillary Planted Question
How Rovian of you.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)First I had heard of it. I'm not sure how youtube makes suggestions or why they thought it would be relevant.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)Few things in life are harder to put up with, than the annoyance of a good example.
Android3.14
(5,402 posts)This OP is 8 years old. Eight years!
This doesn't help HRC, Bernie S, or anyone else.
Why the heck did you post this?
blackspade
(10,056 posts)There are plenty of actual substantive things to get after Clinton about.
This is a non scandal scandal.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)at least one question in an audience.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)It doesn't inspire much hope when even the simplest things are phoney and controlled.
DonViejo
(60,536 posts)Many times, the questions are planted because the candidate wants to address the issue raised in the question and is fearful it won't be asked. I don't see anything wrong with it.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)eom
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)The real focus should be on:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251465306
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,714 posts)Blue Owl
(50,506 posts)n/t
HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)Does the sun rise in the East?
Fearless
(18,421 posts)It's all a ploy to appear a certain way and it is deplorable.
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)AtomicKitten
(46,585 posts)Nitram
(22,890 posts)But I do find it amusing that the Bernista above suggests that priming someone to ask a question she wants to talk about means she can't answer some other hypothetical question. What's to stop anyone else from asking that question? why do you have to strain so hard to find something to attack Clinton with at every turn? Oh, because you fear her intelligence, knowledge and liberal instincts.
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)select one of the many with their hand up. To me it seems like a fraud. If you're not bothered by it, OK, but some people are.
Nitram
(22,890 posts)And sorry that you couldn't tell me how that means she can't answer a question. If everybody hears the question, and everybody hears the answer, how is that fraud?
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)But really she is selecting a few people who were planted in the audience to ask "safe" questions.
She is pretending to take questions from the public, but really she is not. Really she's answering a question she already knew was coming. That way there is not risk of getting caught with a question you don't know the answer to.
If you're ok with that, that's nice. Some people don't like it too much.
bvf
(6,604 posts)prepare handouts containing the predetermined questions and answers, and distribute them before anyone even sits down. That seems to fit your criterion just as well, and wouldn't be fraudulent at all.
Alternatively, you could do a Putin, have a secretary record the questions, and schedule a follow-up session a couple of days hence, during which answers could be given, provided the questions were deemed worthy of an answer.
Or, hell, fuck it: Just put her behind a $2,700/question paywall.
Crimony.