Read the Tweets from the Media Director of Netroots Nations. He knew this would happen.

[madfloridian]

Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley were ambushed, and they are owed an apology.

https://twitter.com/elonjames

Elon James White ?@elonjames 2h2 hours ago

And y'all Bernie Sanders supporters are gonna fuck it up for Bernie. You're mad for your candidate. We're mad about losing our lives. #NN15
108 retweets 84 favorites
Elon James White ?@elonjames 2h2 hours ago

This is a severe problem within the progressive community. Black Issues are often pushed aside. Candidates need to be pushed back. #NN15
199 retweets 156 favorites
Elon James White ?@elonjames 2h2 hours ago

White Progressives™ are gonna learn today. #SayHerName #NN15.

[madfloridian]

1. His bio at Twitter

Elon James White
@elonjames

CEO, @TWIBNation. Publisher, http://www.ThisWeekInBlackness.com , Media Dir. @netroots_nation. Writer. Professionally funny. Habitual creator. -- #TWIBnation
#TWIBnation
elonjameswhite.com
Joined March 2007

Our candidates were ambushed.

[leveymg]

44. This was a political dirty trick - the meme 2.0 has morphed. Who benefits? Hint: she wasn't there

The only major Democratic candidate who wasn't there to get spattered when this thing exploded on the stage.

[quickesst]

54. well well

It looks like the Invasion Of Texas is going to have some company.

[artislife]

60. Both Bernie and Martin handled it well.....we can only image how she would have handled it

[JaneyVee]

66. Oh please. Don't go there.

We all know Hillary had nothing to do with it.

[arcane1]

72. Don't go there. The poster did not say she had anything to do with it.

They said she benefits.

There is a difference.

[JaneyVee]

79. Okay thanks for the clarity. I've already...

Seen people here claiming it was "an ambush".

[arcane1]

89. According to the tweets in the OP, it was.

That still has nothing to do with Clinton.

[mahina]

277. I think it was too, but don't think it was by Hillary's team.

[Control-Z]

102. Perhaps she has better intuition

than those two. Though, I can't imagine her not handling it well had she been there.

[Aerows]

109. The OP didn't say it.

But I certainly will step up to the plate and state if you don't recognize that as a political stunt, then you haven't been paying attention.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

120. The poster made the same insinuation in another thread.

eom

[TheNutcracker]

127. well netroots just chooses to ignore Bernie on this issue. Did they miss this?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251455509

[leveymg]

133. This is part of a nasty smear campaign against Bernie. The facts have nothing to do with it.

That's exactly what makes this a meme, a misleading political trick that's designed to create a false impression of the candidate. In this case, it's "Bernie doesn't care about minorities." False and misleading, but repeat it often enough, as a Big Lie, some will begin to believe it.

This meme started on the Internet -- we've seen the Big Lie spread here -- and is now morphing into a real-world dirty tricks operation. Meme 2.0.

[NikolaC]

205. I sadly agree with your post

Yesterday, while driving home from our trip, we turned on SiriusXM Progress and listened to a show that was hosted by someone that I used to listen to regularly in the afternoon. He had a fill in host who claimed that he and his guest during the last hour were going to talk about Hillary's economic plan. They spent a minute talking about it and the rest of the hour was a bash Bernie fest.

The host claimed to have very little knowledge of Bernie, or his stance regarding minorities. His guest claimed to like Bernie and said that he would vote for him, BUT, he was very disturbed about his lack of relationship with minorities or his stance regarding issues of race and that Bernie would have to do better regarding outreach. They had only callers who would back up their viewpoint and, when a confused sounding woman called in claiming the media was ignoring Bernie, the host (who claimed he didn't know much about Bernie earlier) stated that he saw him everywhere MSNBC, CNN, NBC, etc. Yet still claimed ignorance about what Bernie stood for.

For a good part of the hour, the two engaged in very transparent bashing using tactics that were akin to something that Fox would use. It was politics as usual. The whole thing was very disingenuous and went far afield of the topic that was supposed to have been discussed, all for the sake of spending an hour to bash one of the candidates. It was only their echo chamber, very few facts, information about Bernie's actual record, or opposing viewpoints.

[leveymg]

220. This will be amplified in an echo-chamber from 1,000 different sources;the Meme is nearing critical

mass for going viral. Once it does, it will be very hard to counter, particularly by a candidate who is so underfunded.

I just hope that people see through this, and take it as yet more reason to reject the dirty-politics-as-usual campaigns. This could very well backfire in a game changing way.

[chknltl]

224. Well it was test marketed here at DU first....

...in my humble opinion of course.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

297. Respectfully, you give DU too much credit./nt

[chknltl]

302. You don't see any wisdom in test marketing crap here?

Wow, this seems like a great place to throw shit against a wall in order to see what sticks. If it can rile up savvy DUers just imagine the political benefits it could have on hard workin but 'less than savvy' voters!
(but then again, this is still just my humble opinion... I'm no expert on this sort of thing so what do I know).

[DemocratSinceBirth]

310. Maybe... I see some of the same memes on Kos....

I remember in 2008 PBO had a gospel concert in SC and one of the scheduled singers made some homophobic remarks...i am not going to relitigate it now but PBO opponents, mostly HRC people, tried to make political hay out of it. As far as I know and I'm a big news consumer it got one passing mention on CNN...


I doubt this latest kerfuffle has wheels but we'll see...


PEACE

[zeemike]

236. And we will see more of it in the coming months.

Big money has big power when it comes to media.

[cui bono]

253. It's just like Rove's whisper campaigns. n/t

[okasha]

314. Sure. It's all about Bernie.

The murdered kids are just irrelevant.

[sabrina 1]

333. Yes it is, no question about it.

[arcane1]

135. They either missed it or "missed it"

I've seen it "missed" here as well.

[mmonk]

319. "Tone deaf"

[dsc]

166. right

the poster says it a conspiracy, points out Hillary wasn't there, and we are supposed to not think the poster meant Hillary did it. Right.

[arcane1]

175. I never commented on what they meant, only on what they said.

Difference!

[DemocratSinceBirth]

191. Respectfully, it seems everybody made the correct inference but you.

Respectfully, it seems everybody made the correct inference but you and willful blindness isn't a defense

[arcane1]

196. I made no inference n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

201. If I said X is despicable would you infer that I hold X in very low regard?

Thank you in advance.

[arcane1]

209. What is your problem?

Stop following me and derailing the thread. Geez.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

211. Respectfully, you don't get to order me around the internet.

But out of respect I will stop responding to you.

[DonViejo]

280. This comment isn't suggesting Sec'y Clinton was behind the

confrontation with Governor O'Malley and/or Senator Sanders?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456257#post44

[artislife]

78. I didn't say that

I just said that we know how Martin and Bernie handled it.
We can only image how she would have.
You can imagine her handling it with ease and a gentle ear to the protesters
Others can imagine it differently.

None of us knows for sure because she wasn't there.
I don't think there is a conspiracy on her part in being in Arkansas instead of Netroots.

Believe it or not.

(I will let that one land.)

I am sure she had that well scheduled before and it makes sense that she would be there.

[JaneyVee]

88. Okay thanks for the clarity.

These days on DU you just never know with some people.

[Aerows]

114. Oh, I'll say it.

<--- Person directly saying it.

[JaneyVee]

153. What exactly are you saying?

[Aerows]

107. Which "we all"

would that be?

From where I'm standing, that was a stunt you could see from space.

[valerief]

100. +1

[DemocratSinceBirth]

115. What a nasty insinuation.

eom

[Aerows]

126. I for one will not insinuate it.

I'll come right out and say it.

If this disturbs you, let me remind you that Mohammed Ali never backed down, never backed away, and owned the things he stated.

O'Malley and Sanders are cut from the same cloth in that respect.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

160. What a calumny

I for one will not insinuate it. I'll come right out and say it. If this disturbs you, let me remind you that Mohammed Ali never backed down, never backed away, and owned the things he stated.

O'Malley and Sanders are cut from the same cloth in that respect.

Muhammad Ali didn't lie about people. If he had a beef with them he got them in the ring and whipped their ass. And to compare the greatest heavyweight boxer of all time and one of the seminal African American figures of the twentieth century with Bernie Sanders and Martin O'Malley is facile and when I see Sanders supporters making claims like that i can see why his support among African American voters is almost non-existent.

Since you invoked Muhammad Ali you must be familiar with his career...Why would Hillary need dirty tricks to dispatch of Bernie Sanders ? He represents as much threat to her as Jean Pierre Coopman represented to Muhammad Ali.

[Aerows]

197. What policy issues

does Hillary Clinton stand for that you particularly agree with?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

204. We are moving the goal posts but I will answer you any way

Immigration reform
Protecting and expanding the ACA
Paid family leave
Raising the minimum wage
Expanding glbtq rights
Gun control
Criminal justice reform
Voting rights
Recognition of Cuba
SCOTUS

[BrotherIvan]

227. Apparently you don't know much about Ali

He could throw shade just as well as a punch. You should read more about he and Joe Frazier.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

245. He had 61 fights...I have probably seen >50 of them...

He had 61 fights.., I have probably seen >50 of them... I lived and died with every outcome. October 30, 1974 was probably the happiest day of my teen age life. i have probably read twenty five books about him... I am well aware of his trilogies with Joe Frazier and Ken Norton. And on top of it all my mom met the GOAT. My mom worked at the HUD office in Orlando in 87 which was also the home to the federal court house. Muhammad Ali was there as a character witness. During a break he sat in the cafeteria and signed autographs. My mom asked for his autograph and said "my son loves you." He signed it with my name and on it. She also said he was the most handsome man she ever met .


He was sui generis...


It's sad he never had a middle age because of the Parkinson's Disease/Syndrome but what a full life he lived...Reminds me of Dr. King's musings about longevity.

PEACE

[BrotherIvan]

283. He is a great man and perhaps the greatest athlete of all time

I too have read about boxing in general for reasons I can't explain, lol. I'm just saying that Ali is also a human and some of the stuff he pulled with Frazier can not be considered angelic. It's hard to say that about your heroes, but it is necessary to see they are humans too. Not meaning to derail the thread though.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

288. Yes. His treatment of Joe Frazier was wrong.

Ali was blessed though. He was as good with his mouth as with his hands.

I also think "trash talking" was his way of overcoming his own fears.


I'd like to hear H20Man weigh in...He's a huge Ali fan.

[BrotherIvan]

299. I read Dundee's book

And he was talking about how Ali as a young kid could run for miles and miles and loved it. I think his ability was just as much of a miracle as all the historic athletes that dominated their time, like a gift from god in a sense. He is remarkable in so many ways. He also lived in the perfect time for himself if that makes sense. He echoed the mood of the country and history. It's funny that I'm not big on sports, but maybe it's the writing and the romance of boxing is why I read about it. It's fascinating. I will give full disclosure that I have a lot of affection and respect for Frazier though. He proved he had heart to do what he did. Watched a great documentary on him last year and was very sad when he passed. He sort of faded from time but he definitely deserves to get some of the credit too.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

307. Yes...Joe Frazier was incredibly game...

Gil Clancy, the famed boxing trainer, worked in Ali's corner with Angelo Dundee for a very short time at the beginning of his career... He said if not for his heart he would have been just another very good boxer but not the GOAT, think Roy Jones, Jr, but with better footwork. He took some incredible punishment in the ring.

And don't forget his skills languished and he grew older during his 3 1/2 year exile.

Back to Joe... I actually communicated via e-mail with Ferdie Pacheco, Ali's physician who has wrote several boxing books a couple of times...In one of his books he wrote of how he told Ali, "You're a black man, Joe is a black man. How can you talk to him like that?" He said Ali didn't have any idea how much his words strung...

Ali and Jim Brown were close friends. One day they shadow boxed in street clothes in a park...Jim couldn't touch him and Ali was flicking jabs that landed a fraction of an inch from his noggin...

Here's an iconic photo of when Ali met with the leading black athletes of his era to discuss his opposition to being drafted:





It's funny...My pops was a Joe Frazier fan...He thought he was too strong for Ali...He died when I was fourteen. He died in 73 so he didn't live to see Ali win their rematch and the rubber match... He was alive for the first Ali-Norton fight which he lost. We watched it together and I was heartbroken and shocked but I had faith he would come back...i was obsessed as a young man with Ali...One time our sophomore class went to the local community college to see what it was like and we went to the computer center and I asked the director if the computer would tell me if Ali would beat Foreman. I was a crazy kid.

[BrotherIvan]

334. This shit is cool and I apologize for derailing the thread

That's cool about Pacheco. I read his book too. Now I'm gonna blow your stack that I think I agree with some people that Sugar Ray Robinson might have been the greatest! Ha! That's probably another thread.

[mythology]

276. Muhammad Ali certainly lied

unless you think Joe Frazier was actually an Uncle Tom and that he was so ugly, smelly and stupid that people in Manilla were going to think black people were animals.

Yes Ali later apologized, but he still was willing to attempt to debase another man racially and as a person to promote a fight.

Ali was a hell of a fighter, and has done a lot of good stuff, but he was also flawed by his ego.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

287. It wasn't his brightest moment but none of us should be judged by our worst moments...

But there is a difference between insulting someone and lying about somebody, the latter of which occurred here and that is why I took exception to it. i can respond to an insult. A lie is much harder to undo.

And you have to remember the politics of the time, especially prior to the FOTC. God bless Joe, he didn't ask for it but he was the darling of the right "who was going to shut up the loud mouthed draft dodger." By the time of the Thrilla in 75 a lot of that emnity towards him was gone.

Ali also used racial taunts against Floyd Patterson and Ernie Terrell, especially with Terrell where he punctuated the beating he was administering with taunts of "What's my name?"


Muhammad Ali wasn't a cookie cutter saint. After all he made a living beating people silly, but at his core he was an exceptionally kind, naturally intelligent, and brave man and that is why I love him.

[snagglepuss]

128. We'll know if there is any basis to that insinuation when

we see whether Black Lives Matter does something similiar to Hillary.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

148. Is that the burden of proof?

It was a nasty insinuation. I stand by it. And I rather have a cap busted in my ear than withdraw it.

[2banon]

383. May not be actual evidence, but it will certainly be suspicious.

Having said that.. I've seen up front and personal how Identity Politics (here in the Bay Area) can and does completely dismantle progressive organizing and good work. It's very very disheartening to see it in action against the only candidate who actually gives a damn.

[sabrina 1]

239. Should anyone be surprised IF they know the history of 'Netroots Nation'??

No Liberal candidate should ever associate themselves with that sham of a 'Liberal' organization. Not one thing that happened today is a surprise to those of us who know the history of that phony organization and its founders.

Hillary not being there, is to say the least, 'interesting'. SHE has a problem with the AA community after her remark at a Black Church which many in the AA considered to be extremely insensitive.

Somehow those in power are desperate to stop Bernie Sanders and if I were to make a bet, I would bet that this was a dirty trick planned to try to do so at that phony 'liberal' gathering.

It has been plagued by controversy, since its inception. Mainly because of WHO founded it. As has DK itself.

But to be honest, I gave up trying to warn people about Kos a long time ago. Maybe this will revive the interest in uncovering just who is behind the 'gatekeeper' blog DK and end the charade of Netroots Nation once and for all.

[m-lekktor]

264. aaah i didn't realize the KOS guy runs this.

very interesting! I am not a fan of his blog or him.

[sabrina 1]

272. He started it. So much controversy surrounding him and his partner, who co-wrote

Crashing The Gates, and who was the main founder of DK, and who ended up being convicted of internet fraud, not related to DK, but to has 'activities' on other blogs, made it 'desirable' to disconnect Netroots from DK.

The fact that Hillary wasn't there, is well, 'interesting' to say the least.

[m-lekktor]

278. oooh! i need to do some googling.

I am surprised I didn't know this was his thing. haha your Hillary comment was the first thing I thought of but i keep telling myself now way , she wouldn't!!! it DOES sound like something David Brock (now a HIllary toady) would orchestrate when he was a right wing hatchet man in the 90's! lol

[madfloridian]

348. No connection now at all.

They are completely separate entities now.

[m-lekktor]

366. I had heard of something called "Yearly Kos"

but didn't know there was a connection at any time for this event. thanks for the info!

[Autumn]

329. Kos? What was that jerks name? I remember some of that stuff.

He founded Netroots Nation? Interesting.

[madfloridian]

347. I think it was....

Jerome Armstrong

[Peregrine Took]

432. Might garner some appearances in the MSM, though....

there's that.

[haikugal]

108. I just got online..

What happened?

[dixiegrrrrl]

238. Would you mind awfully much pointing to what happened?

Been offline, Obviously missed something big.

[madfloridian]

241. I just posted the videos.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251456604

[dixiegrrrrl]

251. Ty, very much.....

[JaneyVee]

2. That was a trainwreck for Bernie.

https://mobile.twitter.com/krystalball/status/622485377404678145

O'Malley at least stuck around.

[madfloridian]

3. Bernie was there till the end answering all questions. What are you talking about??

[Divernan]

13. Her link in no way supported her conclusion.

[JaneyVee]

62. It wasn't Bernie's fault, what I mean is....

It should've been handled better, but who could really prepare for something like that.

Also, I meant sticking around afterward. The good news is nobody watches netroots so it won't even make the news I'm guessing.

[madfloridian]

67. Then by your own words it wasn't a trainwreck for Bernie.

Thanks.

[JaneyVee]

76. It was if he was hoping to get his message across.

Something can be a trainwreck without being their fault. For example, if Hillary was giving a speech and her teleprompters broke it would be a trainwreck, but not her fault.

[artislife]

91. He had a couple of outbreaks of applause

Poor Martin wasn't allowed enough time to really settle in.

Maybe Bernie had a campaign schedule to keep. One of Bernie supporters is seeing him tonight.

[Cali_Democrat]

8. This is why minorities aren't #FeelingTheBern

Hillary is shellacking him when it comes to the minority vote.

[madfloridian]

9. No one was listening. They were shouting him down. That was a horrible event.

He made some excellent points, but no one could hear him.

[Cali_Democrat]

10. It's only going to get worse. Welcome to campaign 2016, Bernie.

This is a national election.

You're not in overwhelmingly white Vermont anymore.

[SoapBox]

20. For gawds sakes...

Give the racist crap a rest.

[Cali_Democrat]

24. I'm going to speak my mind. Don't like it? Too bad. nt

[truebrit71]

229. That's the last straw. Off to ignore with your nasty hateful bullshit...

It's Hillary supporters like you that turn people away from your candidate.

Keep up the good work and we can expect President Cruz ....

[Cali_Democrat]

248. The last straw? The fact that you have to announce you're putting someone on ignore

is pretty pathetic, but hilarious!

Oh noez, some anonymous poster on the interwebz just put me on ignore.

I'm utterly crushed.

[madfloridian]

25. You seem really happy that 2 candidates were insulted like this, shown no respect.

That truly disturbs me.

[Cali_Democrat]

30. So...some people were a little mean to Bernie at a conference. Boo hoo.

Seriously, it's only going to get worse.

You have to withstand it if you want to be President. Hillary was accused of murdering Vince Foster and Obama was accused of being a secret Muslim hell bent on destroying America.

So some people were a little mean to Bernie? That's nothing.

[JustAnotherGen]

398. Not working for me either - and I adore O'Malley!

I'm not upset about it - because he has "grit".

[seveneyes]

423. They were a lot mean and disrespectful on top of it all

Their actions can not be defended.

[1StrongBlackMan]

39. President Obama gets heckled and DU cheers ...

Michelle Obama gets heckled and Du cheers ...

Bernie (and O'Malley) gets heckled and DU talks about respect.

That truly disturbs me.

[madfloridian]

49. MOST of us never did that. Stop lumping all of us together.

My late hubby and I were Obama supporters and worked for his campaign on the ground here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

53. Don't make me link to Code Pink! n/t

[madfloridian]

59. I was never a member of Code Pink.

Most people never were.

Again you are lumping together. Please don't do that.

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. Did you post anything about "respect" then? n/t

[Autumn]

75. Link it, Code Pink was as wrong as those people today were

[1StrongBlackMan]

93. And I'm sure you were in that thread talking and how wrong they were.

Right?

[Autumn]

101. The O'Malley segment today? Yeah I posted in the thread it was wrong.

What they did to him was a lousy thing to do to someone making an effort to talk to people about their concerns. You couldn't hear what he was saying, they didn't allow him to talk, they kept him standing there on stage. Hell of a way to treat a candidate that's on your side, I didn't even stick around for more than a couple minutes of Bernie. That was a waste of time for any candidate.

[Scootaloo]

95. No no, go ahead 1SBM.

[1StrongBlackMan]

98. So we can see all the people jumping in to denounce the action ...

talking about respect?

[Autumn]

106. If you have a thread instead of alluding to it mysteriously. Link it

FFS. At one time people here might have had respect for them but as I remember that kind of changed years ago.

[1StrongBlackMan]

116. Well ...

Your not in this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017120551

Or, this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10022953975

Or, this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/101664335

Or, this one:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014491300

Here ... How about you make it a little easier. How about you post a link to you post where you condemned the heckling of President Obama.

[Prism]

141. More heckling threads!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110229739

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141126610#post27

http://www.democraticunderground.com/113727571 (this one is really interesting)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251309974

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x9422322 (old school thread!)

[Scootaloo]

145. You're not in those either.

So by your own logic that you are trying to use on Autumn, you also support the senseless heckling of President obama.

[1StrongBlackMan]

163. I'm not the one whining. n/t

[Scootaloo]

183. No, you're accusing posters here of supporting Code pink agaisnt obama

and using their absence from the threads you linked as proof of that support. An absence that you share.

You aren't whining, but you are being very dishonest.

[Autumn]

146. I'm not interested in doing that for you, if you want to know my posts

search for them yourself. for some reason "Don't make me link to Code Pink! n/t" brought to mind "Don't make me turn this car around!"

But if your cool with what they did to O'Malley and Sanders today you have no right to complain about Code Pink heckling Obama.

[1StrongBlackMan]

167. Where have I whined? LOL. n/t

[Autumn]

170. Where did I say you whined? LOL n/t

[1StrongBlackMan]

176. Ohhh ...

my bad "complained" ... I must have implied it.

[Scootaloo]

130. If you've got an argument to make, make it. here, I'll give you an example downthread

[JoeyT]

181. Code Pink was exactly what I was thinking of when I read the OP and through most of the comments.

More specifically I was thinking about how the people cheering this on are the very ones that have a full blown fit every time Code Pink is even mentioned. I guess being anti-war isn't good enough because #muslimlivesdon'tmatter

[MH1]

113. That wasn't just heckling.

I just watched the O'Malley video. The protesters hijacked the event. She was offered to ask a question and then she took over for 15 minutes just leaving O'Malley to stand there and wait. If the NN people hadn't eventually taken control back she would have gone on and on.

At first it was cool but to keep it going that long, disrupting the program more than a little - much more than mere heckling - I found it disrespectful and tiresome.

The moderator had tried to give her a chance to speak (why did she get a chance and not each of the other hundreds in the audience?) - she took advantage.

She didn't change my political opinion one bit. I was already on their side politically. Not so impressed with how they direct their actions though, now.

[1StrongBlackMan]

124. Okay. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

125. +1/nt

[Autumn]

56. Hillary of course wan't there, Welcome to Hillary's campaign 2016

I see why she stays in a little bubble. Bernie and O'Malley both did great and they showed what they are made of.

[London Lover Man]

86. Dog whistling, aren't youi? So 2008!

Bernie's too white to be President!

Guess what, so is Clinton. And O'Malley.

What else do you have?

[Scootaloo]

92. There's always an element of irony when you guys try this tack

[Blue_In_AK]

326. Your race-baiting is tiresome.

[DCBob]

15. I told many of you from the start that Bernie is going to hard time connecting with minorities.

I dont know how he can turn that around but for sure its not going to be easy.

[madfloridian]

18. That was not trying to "connect". That was a "shouting down".

Nobody wins when that happens.

It's really too bad that he and O'Malley are considered racist.

[DCBob]

29. Its not just about today..

I think its a deeper issue where many listen to Bernie and other progressives and notice that their focus always seems to be on economics. Many in the AA community see a much bigger problem.. eg.. just surviving walking down the street... and they think Bernie and his crowd simply dont get it.. imo.

[rbnyc]

111. Hopefully this will be a learning opportunity.

We need to do a better job on these issues.

If my son or daughter had dark skin and I had to worry about him/her getting killed by a cop every time s/he leaves the house, that might be the only issue I care about and I would probably be screaming about it.

It's hard to understand things deeply when they don't impact you directly. The least we can do is listen undefensively.

[PotatoChip]

132. I agree. Holder has done next to nothing.

Hopefully Loretta Lynch will act.

PoC are justifiably angry; as we all should be. Things have got to change immediately.

[Autumn]

178. Did O'Malley and his crowd get it? Or just Bernie and his crowd don't get it.

[jeff47]

246. Your characterization of "not today" is utterly false.

But it fits the story you want to tell.

Both Sanders and O'Malley have incorporated reforming structural racism into their speeches.

But you don't care. You have a story to tell instead.

[DCBob]

289. It takes more than just adding a few lines to speech.

[jeff47]

290. Like specific plans that both have released?

Could you point me to Clinton's specific plan, btw? I'd like one from all the main Democratic candidates.

[DCBob]

292. Fairly or not, Hillary already has her creds...

from work she has done in the past and also being the spouse of the "First Black President".

[jeff47]

294. No, no, you don't know of any specific plan.

and also being the spouse of the "First Black President".

The one who ramped up mandatory minimums, ramped up the drug war, destroyed the safety net and deregulated banks so that they gave black borrowers far worse terms than white borrowers.

Yeah....that's an "interesting" way to argue she has "creds".

[DCBob]

296. Im not arguing she has creds.. she does have creds.

Look at the polling.. she trounces all other candidates with AA voters.

[elehhhhna]

379. the spouse shit means jack to me

My hubs is a homebuilder. Doesn't make me one.

Hilly DGAF bout no one but her family and 1% friends.

[eridani]

355. They never added a claim to be the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" n/t

[eridani]

354. And the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" gets it? n/t

[Autumn]

64. You know what mad, they didn't watch it so they have no clue what happened

It's almost like O'Malley wasn't there and there, it's just an excuse to trash Bernie. They are so transparent.

[Bobbie Jo]

261. Who is "they?"

Good lord, say what you mean for once.

They, they, they,.... Who??

[Autumn]

335. Here you go

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/they

pronoun, plural in construction \ˈthā\

Definition of THEY

1
a : those ones —used as third person pronoun serving as the plural of he, she, or it or referring to a group of two or more individuals not all of the same sex <they dance well>
b : 1he 2 —often used with an indefinite third person singular antecedent <everyone knew where they stood — E. L. Doctorow> <nobody has to go to school if they don't want to — N. Y. Times>
2
: people 2 —used in a generic sense <as lazy as they come>

[Bobbie Jo]

336. Yuck

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Say what you mean, already.

No, WHO is "they," not what.

WHO:

who
\ˈhü, ü\
pronoun
: what or which person or people
—used to question a person's character or authority
—used after a noun or pronoun to show which group of people you are talking about
Full Definition
1 :what or which person or persons —used as an interrogative <who was elected?> <find out who they are> —used by speakers on all educational levels and by many reputable writers, though disapproved by some grammarians, as the object of a verb or a following preposition <who did I see but a Spanish lady — Padraic Colum> <do not know who the message is from — G. K. Chesterton>

http://i.word.com/idictionary/who

[mmonk]

274. There is no rational reason for that nor is it Bernie's fault.

He has walked the walk. Seems many are just uninformed.

[jwirr]

96. They are trusting her. And I saw that one poster said she has a history with black people. Yes, she

has a history being the wife of the "first black president" as Bill has been called. That history includes harsher sentencing for crimes that has resulted in many more black incarcerations for longer periods of time and families destroyed. Her history includes lobbying for it.

He also did "welfare reform" at a time when fathers were being be sent to jail and mothers were raising their children alone. He could not help that because it was veto proof but he could have forced them to override that veto.

I do not trust that this history will end up any different just because she says it will.

[eridani]

353. Because the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" is obviosly better for them n/t

[appalachiablue]

27. Did you read replies to Krystal that said how Bernie recognizes incarceration & other black issues?

Here's an OP on Sanders speech in IOWA last night, emphasizing ending predatory police practices, mass incarceration and start investing in education and jobs (this video point starts at 15:00).

Bernie: I want an America where young black men are not harassed, shot and killed in the streets.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251455509

[arcane1]

82. That doesn't fit the narrative, so it gets ignored n/t

[shenmue]

262. Yeah

[Trajan]

391. So you decided to lie about Bernie?

Goodbye ...

No room in my life for calculating liars ...

Pitiful ...

[HooptieWagon]

4. What happened?

I managed to make out that an O'Malley speech was interrupted. Where does Bernie come in?

[madfloridian]

6. Read bigtree's thread. I'm done.

Netroots Nation just lost all credibility.

[villager]

5. The left often excels at picking exactly the wrong targets for its enmity and wrath

Which is why the right stays in -- and increases its -- power.

[scarletwoman]

45. Truth. That struck me as totally boneheaded.

Shouting someone down does not open up any sort of useful dialogue.

[snagglepuss]

121. Its clear that BLDM dont see themselves as part of the Left

The Left in their eyes is white. It'll be interesting to see if they do the same to Hillary.

[villager]

138. ...or the Republicans.

n/t

[stranger81]

431. Exactly.

And I'm not sure they are part of the Left. They are concerned about racial inequality, of course, but seem unbothered about income inequality, workers rights, environmental issues, or any of the other traditionally left issues.

[Agschmid]

7. Yikes...

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

11. Black Lives Matter protesters may have just handed it to Hillary.

Bernie's offer to simply hand the stage over to the protesters and his use of framing for a (generally white) Netroots Nation audience, rather than the framing and language more appropriate for the audience Black Lives Matter protesters have pushed this appearance out to are costing him primary votes among the black community. Twitter is not happy with how either he or O'Malley handled the protesters.

Well, good luck with getting anything useful out of Hillary.

White progressives are learning something today indeed. That it's still just as easy to split the 99% and turn them against one another.

[madfloridian]

14. I was proud of both candidates. I thought the ambush harmed Netroots Nation's leaders.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

34. I haven't seen the actual footage, only read descriptions, but I know it's costing votes

based on PoC I know on twitter saying Bernie just lost their primary vote.

Heckled or not, interrupted or not, the candidates had to rise above, and it doesn't sound like they pulled it off in the eyes of the black and brown community.

I don't think their long term goals will be served better by a Hillary Presidency, but it is what it is. And I know Bernie wants to stay on his chosen message, but he can't win a primary on just white votes, and the framing of his messages doesn't fill the need here. His words on police brutality and injustice are too abstract. The protesters wanted a direct acknowledgement of the plight of people of colour under the racist 'justice' system, and for a full-throated embrace of the cause, not a technocratic speech about authoritarianism. This was a major stumbling stone, and recovery among the black community especially is going to be tough.

[madfloridian]

38. Both "rose above". Way far above. Perhaps you need to watch it for yourself.

If anyone thinks that trainwreck helped the cause of those shouting out everyone else, then I think that's sad.

Watch it for yourself. I did. I watched it all the way through. I even saw the host hand the mic to the lady who took over and he welcomed her to the stage. But the shouting did not stop.They chanted they shouted.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

50. I don't mean 'rise above' in terms of 'acting Presidential'.

I mean 'rise to the occasion'. They needed to satisfy the protesters, not talk past them. To actually communicate.

[madfloridian]

77. WATCH the video. They both tried. Kept getting shouted down. The whole time they talked.

[Maedhros]

306. This was a no-win scenario.

There is nothing either candidate could do to avoid looking bad - the entire event was planned to make them look bad, and the subsequent twitter campaign was planned to undercut their support.

This had little to do with BLM, and a lot to do with Move On creating controversy from which to profit.

[historylovr]

324. There's no other way to see this.

And given that Bernie had a meeting with them scheduled for afterwards, a meeting he canceled because of their antics, they now have even more ammunition to throw.

[onecaliberal]

190. Yes, because the corporate candidate is going to do anything for them.

People on the right aren't the only ones voting against themselves.

[HooptieWagon]

32. I'm not sure what Sanders and OMalley could have done.

I didn't watch, so I'm trying to understand based on the comments. It sounds like NN host lost control of the event. Sanders and OMalley were shouted down, not permitted to respond by the protestors. What, are they expected to shout back? As near as I can tell, the candidates handled the disruption as diplomatically as possible.
While I agree with the protestor's agenda, the manner of their protest makes them look like an unruly mob. That gives them a black eye, and hurts their cause. And NN also deserves a black eye. If the protestor's had approached them in advance for booth space and speaking time, that should have been arranged. If NN was unaware the protest was going to occur, then it appears security was lacking. The people who really got screwed were the attendees who were there to listen to the candidates, and were unable. Are they going to be sympathetic to the protestor's? Are they ever going to attend another NN event? Is NN going to gain in credibility? I'd say the answer to all is no.

[DinahMoeHum]

99. BIG mistake by #BLM, playing their potential allies for adversaries. . .

. . .and they wonder why people don't want to listen or talk with them?


Sheesh.

Considering the shit that went on, Bernie Sanders carried himself much better than expected.

[HooptieWagon]

112. I agree.

If they really cared about the issue, they would be cultivating allies. Sanders certainly is one. It looks to me that they were more interested in having a spotlight than in finding a solution. And that Elon guy should be canned immediately, if NN hopes to retain a shred of credibility.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

317. Sanders doesn't suffer fools gladly.

And a group carrying on Jerry Springer-style falls into that 'fools' category.

[eridani]

356. I see no evidence that the disruptors represented all of #BlackLivesMatter n/t

[DinahMoeHum]

374. Does it matter? The FACT is, they did this. . .

. . .and in so doing, they shit all over themselves.

I'll support them when they do the same thing at REPUBLICAN campaigns and debates.

[jwirr]

254. I don't think it is ever a good idea to out shout your own supporters. And both Bernie and

O'Malley have stated their opposition to racism and police brutality. And yes, they probably will not support either of them in favor of Hillary who is not who they think she is. They need to go back and look at what she and Bill did for the black community.

If I remember correctly she did not address the protests in Ferguson MO until they were over.

[BeyondGeography]

103. In that case, Twitter can go fuck itself

The whole tweeting lot of it.

I wonder how the twitterati handle it when they are invited somewhere only to be treated like a fire hydrant.

[Autumn]

164. If they gave it to her, then they deserve her.

I notice she wasn't there attempting to address their concerns.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

171. I just had hopes that just maybe we all had a shot at getting out from under the thumb of the 1%.

Despite all my cynical talk, I've always had that hidden streak of optimism that keeps getting crushed over and over again by politics.

[Autumn]

244. I really don't see her winning so I'm not worried at this time

and I think that people can see through what happened at netroot nation. She can't even commit to raising the minimum wage FFS.

[George II]

234. She was committed to a huge fundraiser to support the Arkansas Democratic Party the same night...

...(tonight) months ago.

I noticed that Sanders hasn't addressed any of the dozens of Jefferson Jackson Dinners around the country. Wonder why? After tonight Clinton will have done two in support of STATE Democratic Parties and Elizabeth Warren has addressed one (here in Connecticut 3 weeks ago)

[Autumn]

260. If it bothers you ask him. Call his office I'm sure someone will pick up the phone

[George II]

266. It doesn't bother me at all, but it sure bothers the shit out of a bunch of people around here...

....because Clinton wasn't at Netroots Nation today.

[Autumn]

267. What does that have to do with Hillary being off at a fundraiser?

[George II]

279. Didn't you say this earlier, as though...

...she decided to NOT go?

"I notice she wasn't there attempting to address their concerns."

Similar sentiment has been expressed around here all day, "she could have been there", "she gave up on the far left", yadda yadda...implying if not saying outright that she intentionally chose to not be there. There were even some comments like "she should have addressed them via video feed like Obama did".

Whatever, I certainly won't argue the point with you.

[Autumn]

285. She was at a fundraiser. She wasn't there to address their concerns Bernie and Martin were there.

[msanthrope]

373. She was at the Jefferson-Jackson Dinner. Calling that a mere "fundraiser"

indicates you are unfamiliar with the importance of the event for Arkansas Democratic candidates, and that you are also unaware of the primary change.

[Autumn]

376. Did I use the term "mere *"fundraiser"? Was it a *fundraiser?

She was at a fundraiser. Was I wrong? No need to be so hostile and infer I'm stupid. That hurts my fee fees.

* No I did not. Reading is fundamental. I didn't use that word in my post but nice try.
*Why yes, Hillary was at a fundraiser. They raise funds for Arkansas Democratic candidates.

Don't like my post? Fucking sue me.

Autumn (22,533 posts)
285. She was at a fundraiser. She wasn't there to address their concerns Bernie and Martin were there.

http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2015/07/17/hillary-clinton-returns-to-arkansas-now-behind-gop-lines

But when she headlines the Arkansas Democratic Party's marquee fundraising dinner Saturday night, she's not staking her ground in the state or showing its importance to her White House hopes. She'll instead be a stranger in a strange land, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination appearing in decidedly unfriendly territory for her party.

[snagglepuss]

265. /\/\/\/\/\ THIS /\/\/\/\/\

Absolutely spot on.

[Autumn]

269. Out of the three the two most likely to do anything were shouted down when they

went there to adress their issues. They would have been better served had they borrowed a page from Hillary and gone to a fund raiser and blown off netroots nation instead. I'm not blaming the Black Lives Matter group but I think the host and the organizer Elon James White had this planned in advance from the tweets that were posted here. It brought that Acorn video guy to mind.

[winter is coming]

247. In the long run, this may harm Hillary more than anyone else.

It looks like a deliberate set-up, and she'll likely be blamed for it, right or wrong.

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

286. Actually, I saw a tweet that suggested she might get her own protest at a later date.

In which case, maybe we're reading this wrong. If they're planning to put EVERY candidate on the left on notice, maybe they're actually refusing to be taken for granted any more, and the general candidate who decides to ignore their needs might be another 'Gore 2000'.

[artislife]

249. We have a long time before the primaries

The twitter universe is pretty fleeting. Don't dispair.

[madfloridian]

282. This was real life, not the twitter universe.

[Le Taz Hot]

12. So, on the one hand, he wan't allowed to answer questions

because several people were yelling at him at the same time but the accusation is that "black issues are often pushed aside." Issues need a dialogue -- a back-and-forth. This was a train wreck.

[arcane1]

16. Sounds like the protesters pushed it aside this time n/t

[SoapBox]

17. Thank you!

And what did the hecklers accomplish?

Nada.

That type of bullshit gets your point no place.

Try that crap with ANY RePuke candidate and see how far it gets you.

Of all candidates for President, these are the ones that they should not have been yelling at.

[leveymg]

23. Sounds more like this was more like a bomb placed on the tracks.

Not accidental, if the Media Director was aware beforehand. Worse, if he was the one doing the tweeting.

[leveymg]

19. Elon James White is the Media Director of Netroots Nation?

[madfloridian]

22. Did you see his insulting tweets toward Bernie? Yep, he was in charge.

[leveymg]

28. Looks like Elon James White is Media Director for Netroots Nation. Are we sure this was his tweet?

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[madfloridian]

33. Very Very sure it was his tweet.

Here's his bio:

Elon James White
@elonjames

CEO, @TWIBNation. Publisher, http://www.ThisWeekInBlackness.com , Media Dir. @netroots_nation. Writer. Professionally funny. Habitual creator. -- #TWIBnation
#TWIBnation
elonjameswhite.com
Joined March 2007

Why would you think they are not his tweets? His name is on them.

If he retweeted someone their name would be on it.

[arcane1]

31. Sounds something like a set-up to me

I wonder who he's thinking of voting for.

[HooptieWagon]

36. I don't know if it was a set-up...

But it sure looks like it was a trainwreck for NN. I doubt they'll be taken seriously in the future.

[leveymg]

37. Might as well have strung a Claymore mine across the stage.

Ambush. This is an extension of the "Bernie doesn't care about minorities" meme that's been playing out here and across the internet.

I've gotta say, these people are Lee Atwater level serious about their political dirty-tricks.

[sufrommich]

63. You realize this was the group BlackLivesMatter,right?

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I'm pretty sure they're not for hire.

[quickesst]

69. What people....

...specifically?

[dreamnightwind]

131. Correct - eom

[madfloridian]

55. Here's his twitter page. I am not sure I understand your confusion.

https://twitter.com/elonjames

[Kalidurga]

81. He has 56.1 thousand followers.

Yet, very little appreciation for the stunt he pulled. Perhaps some people actually did listen to the candidates.

[a kennedy]

21. Sounds to me like small town America needs to start running and voting for canidadets

that will change a dynamic in this country....THAT BLACK LIVES DO MATTER. Just saying....it will not happen with just the POTUS, although this Black President HAS done a lot for the cause. JMHO.

[MADem]

26. What are you saying? That the organizers telegraphed this IN ADVANCE?

That will teach staffers to a) Monitor twitter accounts of organizers in future; b) Take steps to limit access to the stage.

SAY HER NAME has to do with women who have been murdered by police:

https://instagram.com/p/5SYAK6j9Au/

Candidates use this opportunity to get some free publicity for themselves--it is a situation that is fraught with uncertainty if there's not enough structure to the proceedings.

From what little reading I've done, I understand that some Latino contributors were a bit annoyed that they were only invited to weigh in on the immigration issue, and not on other issues, like the economy, jobs, etc.

[madfloridian]

40. I am not criticizing the purpose of that group.

Did you watch the video?

[MADem]

42. Yes. I'm asking about the tweets. nt

[scarletwoman]

35. What am I missing? This makes no sense to me at all.

Invite speakers to your event, then treat them like they're the Enemy?

White Progressives™ are gonna learn today. #SayHerName #NN15.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? I read the whole 5 pages of the Netroots Nation program, the whole thing was full of "White Progressives". Why the hell is Elon James is the damn media director, if he thinks "White Progressives" are such a problem? Why wasn't there a "Black Lives Matter" workshop on the program?

This just seems like a really bullshit deal to me.

[HooptieWagon]

47. So this Elon guy knew in advance?

I'm still trying to understand wtf happened. If he knew in advance, then what a douche-bag. He didn't help Black Lives Matter, probably hurt them. Looks like he's just trying to make a name for himself.

[scarletwoman]

65. See the OP - that's what it looks like.

I didn't have any way to actually watch the event, I was just following the posts on Bigtree's thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=455953

[dreamnightwind]

137. I really don't think it's about helping BLM

I think it was about helping HRC.

[sabrina 1]

214. Netroots which was the offshoot of Daily Kos, has NEVER been about minorities or

women and it amazes me how little people here know of its controversial history. It is a construct of the DLC/Third Way and is nothing BUT a sham, always was.

I wish I could have warned Bernie. I and thousands of other Liberals were present on DK when Netroots then called Kos something or other, first began.

Women, minorities and anyone who was to the left were never welcome on that Blog, DK, which itself along with its two founders, have very questionable motives. They were exposed a few years ago by an African American attorney who was banned (thousands were banned for the site mainly for asking questions about its purpose) and rather than just go away, he did his own research into the backgrounds of the 'founders'.

One of those two, Kos being the other, was eventually indicted and convicted of fraud for scamming people on the internet.

When that whole scandal blew up, and people naturally demanded answers since this the 'godfather' of DK, they were told it was all a big mistake, btw, the indicted founder was Kos's co-author of the book 'Crashing the Gates', and soon there would be an explanation when the case was over.

Well the case ended with a CONVICTION for FRAUD and Kos remained silent on the issue.

The fact that Hillary stayed away, that this ambush happened, is no surprise to those of us who know the history of this FAKE LIBERAL BLOG.

The reason the changed the name to Netroots Nation from the original which connected it to Kos, is because by then, people were seriously wondering who was really behind Daily Kos.

A book could be written about this, I watched in real time and was stunned by what I learned along with thousands of others.

I hope this ENDS that phony Liberal organization once and for all.


That they survived the many scandals at all, shows how much money is behind that whole operation.

Kos himself is a 'former' Repub who worked for Henry Hyde, he was one of the worst kind of Fox News Republicans as we found out, so what was he doing operating a 'liberal blog' then smearing and attacking women, gays, AAs, and running them off his blog?

Maybe this is the right time to revisit the exposures that are out there, DK and Netroots Nation are all part of the same operation.

No Liberal should ever go there again, and it's time to expose these fake Liberal blogs that roped in all the energy that was out there during the Bush, then CONTROLLED it. They are without a doubt a 'gatekeeper' blog, kos is a phone, his partner a convicted fraudster and I personally left that place a long time ago along with thousands of women and minorities who witnessed the exposures, the nastiness, the hatred for liberals in general.

This could help to end the scam and I hope it does.

[msanthrope]

232. Are you holding Kos responsible for the actions of his co-author? nt

[sabrina 1]

256. The founder of DK is a convicted internet fraudster. The 'godfather' of DK.

Are you denying this fact? Netroots Nation is a construct of that partnership. Changed its name along the way so that people do not connect it to DK unless they know its history. This hopefully will revive the interest in just who was behind this entire organization and there are literally thousands of 'witnesses' who were there when it was exposed by one African American Lawyer who they then tried to smear and discredit. Not very successfully. His work is still available and it is quite revealing.

[msanthrope]

257. Again.....are you holding Kos responsible for the actions of his co-author? nt

[sabrina 1]

268. I will repeat, as you appear to be ignoring this fact. The founder of DK is a convicted Internet

fraudster, his partner, Kos, the junior member of the team airc, at the time, since the convict himself was the known as the 'Godfather' of DK, lied to the membership claiming there was nothing behind the charges and the case would be resolved after which he, Kos, would explain it all.

His 'godfather' was convicted, all attempts to get Kos to keep his promise have failed, and are cause for banning on that phony 'liberal' site.

I hold HIM responsible for his attempt to deceive the membership into believing that his partner done nothing wrong. And for silencing anyone who attempts to get him to keep his promise to 'explain' the whole thing which he claimed was just a 'misunderstanding'. The FBI and the courts did not agree obviously.

I was merely a member of what was advertised as a 'liberal site' at the time, a bystander but who like thousands of others, got to witness the exposure of what had begun to seem like a phony operation, the founders of not just DK, but of what is now known as Netroots Nation.

But there is so much more that was revealed about both of them and as I said, this hopefully will begin the process of exposing the entire phony operation.

Some good liberals managed to survive the many purges of liberals, women, gays, AAs, on that site. And when it came close to total failure, and the pushback was so intense, they didn't dare continue their draconian banning and purging, at least for a while. But we all remember the despicable revelations and as I said, an ambush of two Liberal candidates at one of their 'organizations' is just par for the course when it comes to that entire sham.

[msanthrope]

270. Again.....are you holding Kos responsible for the actions of his co-author?

Its a yes or no question easily answered.

[sabrina 1]

301. The founder of DK was indicted and convicted of internet fraud. Founders of Netroots Nation also

The reason why so many women, AAs, one of whom is responsible for exposing the entire sordid history of DK's founders and of Netroots Nation since that organization is also part of DK, and Liberals who were clearly the targets of these imposters, Kos himself a Republican who worked for Henry Hyde.

What were they doing BEFORE they started DK? I believe all this is about to be revealed now as a result of this not unexpected dirty trick, considering the source.

Kos has refused to 'explain' his mentor and partner's crime, which he promised to do, claiming his 'godfather' the foundre of DK would NOT be convicted. But unfortunately he WAS convicted of Internet Fraud.

And people wondered, 'who are these people who have taken on the role of 'Liberal Spokespersons'?? When nothing could be further from the truth?

I am now looking forward to an end to the charade that is known as 'Netroots Nation' and its founders, 'DK'.

[msanthrope]

371. It's a yes or no question.....do you hold Kos responsible for the crimes of his co-author?. nt

[sabrina 1]

385. Why are you ignoring the facts I posted? You seem to not want to

address them. Do you think a Liberal blog owner should disavow a partner who was convicted of fraud especially internet fraud, and keep a promise made to explain why that partner was cheating people on the internet?

[msanthrope]

388. I am asking you a simple yes or no question that you keep avoiding....

Do you hold Kos responsible for the misdeeds of his co author?

[historylovr]

325. Thanks for this info, Sabrina.

I always felt that Kos was skeevy as hell, but I had no idea how much.

[gwheezie]

332. It was smart of Hillary not to go then

She figured it out just like you did

[elehhhhna]

380. she avoids all questions, not just that forum

[dreamnightwind]

377. Wow, thanks for all of that

I have never spent any time over there (DKos) and knew nothing about its history. Fascinating. I didn't even know NRN had anything to do with DKos.

Our own DU's founder was the web site designer for the DLC/PPI site, so it seems that the gates are being well kept. Skinner seems to tolerate us here so long as we play by the rules, which is easy enough.

I watched the whole Netroots fiasco with BLM, O'Malley and Sanders this morning, ruined my whole day, that was hideous. Clearly an ambush. Revealing that they set their trap for the upstart progressives rather than for the corporatist front-runner. We'll see how BLM goes after her, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

I laughed when the BLM people were booing Bernie for saying we don't need more H1-B visas. Kudos to Bernie for speaking the truth.

I went out and haven't seen the larger event yet, I hope it went better, will look for video of it later, if it even happened. Strange day.

[onecaliberal]

208. Why isn't he asking what POTUS has done for black lives?

[HooptieWagon]

231. Maybe he cares more about personal attention than black lives.

[onecaliberal]

235. Ding ding ding. We have a winner....

If they were interested in serious dialog, they could have had all questions answered at their scheduled meeting. NRN really screwed up.

[dreamnightwind]

375. They only screwed up if you accept their agenda at face value

Usually when I see such amazing "screw ups" I consider another explanation that makes their actions more reasonable if you get the context of their actions correct. I don't know the full story, just that it didn't feel at all like a genuine attempt to get issues addressed that matter to black people, it felt like something else entirely.

[onecaliberal]

382. What do you think these folks were really trying to accomplish?

It does seem absurd they would shout down the candidates and then say their questions were not being addressed when they all knew they had a meeting with Sanders later in the day.

[dreamnightwind]

408. I honestly don't know

What concerns me is we've seen, from mostly the corporate Democrat supporters here on DU (I don't hang out elsewhere so I don't know what that is like) a pretty bizarre attempt to frame Sanders as not caring or insensitive about the concerns of people of color. These efforts to frame Bernie that way almost never contain specific policy that they want Bernie to support, it's more like Bernie is supposed to somehow end racism in the hearts of Americans, pity that Obama and Clinton(s) haven't already done so.

I would see it in a different way if it were being done to a candidate like Clinton, who I don't see as having many actual policy stands that will help minorities, except perhaps where corporate interests and minority interests intersect (cheap labor pool for corporations, H1-B and guest workers from Clinton), and who actually used thinly veiled racially coded statements against Obama in the 2008 campaign.

Sanders is the absolutely best candidate minorities have when it comes to policy issues.

So you have the corporate Democrat supporters here who have for some time now been trying to attack Sanders this way, it has seemed very much like a strategic decision that was made, the Clinton people seeing that they had a problem on the left, no doubt came up with a strategy, mostly empty of policy so it didn't cost them anything as far as their corporate donors were concerned, to attack Sanders on minority concerns. What a joke.

The BLM people could have had a good interaction with Sanders and O'Malley, getting specific policies addressed. Bernie would not necessarily give them all the answers they want (he doesn't pander, he tells the truth), such as I think Bernie supports American workers when their interests conflict with allowing unlimited undocumented people into this country (I could be misrepresenting Sanders there), or when corporations and the U.S. Chamber of Commerce (a far RW group that no Democrat should support) want more H1-B visas for cheap labor instead of working with and paying U.S. citizens to do the jobs. Those issues relate more to Latino interests than to U.S. blacks, so I really don't know why black people in this country would not work for positive interactions with Sanders, he is their best chance to take on the abusive police state we live in, to free them from the economic draft they fall victim to when corporations want U.S. soldiers for resource wars, to reduce incarceration, and to provide better access to healthcare, education, and employment. I honestly believe Sanders is better on all of those issues than any other candidate we've had in a long long time. But apparently that isn't good enough, for some reason.

So I think there's a concerted effort to unfairly and wrongly target Sanders as unfriendly to minorities, when it's really just that he isn't someone who will pander and market to them, he is a policy person, which is the substance rather than the marketing effort. All I have seen that feels legitimate is that people want him to showcase minorities and their interests more, to speak more specifically to those interests, to "hear" them, rather than just working on policy issues to advance their interests. Whereas Clinton will do just the opposite, she and her marketing department will put together a beautifully framed and colorful bouquet that shows she cares, and she will look the other way (wherever the money is) when policy issues arise that actually impact their lives.

If BLM really wanted anything specific they would have had an ally in Sanders, and would have done well to work with him. The Netroots host that moderated that fiasco has published books about his life as an undocumented immigrant, I believe (but do not know, I have not read his work) that he advocates completely free and unlimited, unregulated immigration into this country, in other words no border, which would actually put much downward pressure on the wage structure that black people are dealing with, and on their access to employment. There are texts showing that the Netroots founder couldn't wait to sock it to our progressive candidates at this event, and the moderator was clearly part of that effort. Sabrina's posts about Netroots and their DKos ties (and her statements about the possible nature of those ties) have been interesting, I need to learn more about that.

It fits well, though, when looked at through the corporate lens, the corporations' politicians and their wage structures and labor pool all benefit from an attack on Sanders on minority interests. What BLM gets out of it, aside from 15 minutes of attention, is the question.

I don't know what happened, I know something smells really wrong. Sometimes things just stink because they do, and sometimes they stink because there's a rat around. Perhaps as time goes on we'll know more.

[onecaliberal]

411. You bring up a lot of great points.

I think it smells wrong as well. I am wondering about the leaders of the movement. What their strategy really is. The beligerance isn't going to serve them well. It is also curious that they don't protest the AG, or congress or POTUS for that matter, since they actually have power to do something now.
I have read a few things about the host as well. I don't think BLM understands that his agenda is completely different and at odds with their own.
Why aren't they trying to exert maximum pressure on those people who can change things right now and trying furiously to open dialogue with everyone.
I know the Senator is going to do everything he can but he is not the POTUS or the AG.
I can't wait to hear your thoughts on this matter going forward.

[dreamnightwind]

412. Thanks. I can actually respect well-targeted belligerence.

Black people live in unacceptable conditions in this country. It isn't new, in fact, other than the mass incarceration (a big issue for sure) their fate in this country is perhaps better than ever, which still isn't good at all. But on the scale of problems this nation and planet are facing, driven by systemic economic forces (climate change is the most urgent issue we have to deal with, there is no way to overstate the urgency of that issue), most of our problems are in a downward spiral, economic, climate, wars, oligarchy, surveillance, a runaway and unstable financial system that has pretty much captured the U.S. government and many other governments as well, racial issues still suck but are not in a downward spiral, probably the opposite.

Police brutality has escalated against everyone, it's part of the growing corporate control that advances rapidly toward fascism. Minorities are disproportionately on the receiving end of police brutality. And there is a lot of evidence of white supremacist types in law enforcement. Sanders is excellent on this issue, the others not so much.

Obama and Holder were pretty worthless on these issues. Obama's style was to make nice speeches about it, but he never took on the power structure behind it, never attempted real systemic reform, and Holder also made some superficial gestures but little attempt to bring about real change. I agree with you, they would have been excellent targets for Black Lives Matter. Like Obama and Clinton, I have not seen BLM take on the powerful interests (corporate at root) that are the source of the problems. Perhaps they have and I am not aware of it, but if it were high profile direct interventions such as their co-option of the Netroots talks by O'Malley and Sanders, I'm fairly sure I would know about it. Seems more likely to me they either are, or are being used by, the oligarchy which is getting pretty worried about a rising left-wing populism.

[onecaliberal]

413. Their belligerence was misplaced.

Because the lack of any effort to voice their greevances to the Obama admin it's hard for me to take them seriously.
I agree climate change is the biggest emergency we face and could literally wipe us all out from this Planet.
I know one thing, if the movement thinks verbal shout downs directed at those who would be the most helpful to their cause is going to get them anywhere, I guess they'll find out in short order. I like to think I pay a lot of attention to these things and I've yet to hear of them conducting any kind of demonstration directed at those on power that could do things to help them now, beyond nice speeches no one has done anything to address the police state.
If elected Bernie will do everything in his power to address the issues they care about because he has spent a lifetime trying to address them.

[dreamnightwind]

414. Agree with all of that! - eom

[BuelahWitch]

395. You bring up an excellent point

Why wasn't there a BLM workshop at NRN? Why did they only show up to disrupt two progressive Presidential candidates? This should be its own OP.

[scarletwoman]

401. Please see my post #360 in this thread.

You're responding to a post I made very early in the day yesterday, I learned a lot more since then.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=458166

[DCBob]

41. Just saw these tweets about Bernie cancelling meetings..

Wow. @BernieSanders cancelled all meetings today, including meeting with #BlackLivesMatter organizers. #NN15 #SayHerName

.@SenSanders cancels all small meetings after the #BlackLivesMatter demonstration at #NN15 can you #FeelTheBern more like the #BURN

At #NN15 panel, @elonjames says Bernie Sanders canceled a scheduled meeting with activists after the prez forum.

[madfloridian]

46. Can you blame him after that kind of treatment?

Did you watch the video? All of it?

He has a rally in Phoenix tonight. Maybe they can harass him there also.

[DCBob]

51. Yeah.. I think I would probably have done the same.

Best to get out of there and regroup. But he does need to address the concerns of this group seriously if he want to be taken seriously.

[HooptieWagon]

118. He has, more than the other candidates.

He's not the enemy, he's an ally. BLM really screwed the pooch.

[DCBob]

139. Well.. based on the polling it would appear AA voters haven't noticed it.

He needs to do more.

[HooptieWagon]

147. It's an important issue, but not the only issue.

If some AAs are tuning him out, it's not because he isn't talking about it. The AA community also tuned out Obama early on, only coming to his side when it began to look like he could win the nomination. I think the same will happen with Sanders. He's not the enemy of AAs.

[DCBob]

156. True.. but he needs those votes to win.

BTW.. Bernie is no Obama.. in many significant ways.

[HooptieWagon]

57. Can't blame him after that treatment.

They fucked up big time. They could have engaged in meaningful dialog with presidential candidates. Who's gonna give them the time of day now? They've marginalized themselves... Too bad, because their cause is just. But their tactics are asinine and self-defeating.

[DCBob]

61. Well sometimes you have to make a spectacle to get noticed.

Now maybe Bernie will take notice.

[HooptieWagon]

85. Sanders brought up the issue at last nights dinner.

He was trying to address the issue today when he was repeatedly interrupted. He is not ignoring the issue. The issue is known...if not before by some of public, then certainly by all after Ferguson. There is a lot of sympathy and agreement by many. Sanders certainly is an ally...he's not the enemy. A handful of narcissistic loudmouths just fucking ruined things though.

[MH1]

119. If he had a meeting scheduled with that group then they didn't need to do that,

to "get noticed" by Bernie.

What they did was appear irresponsible and disrespectful and unable to work civilly with an ally. A f***ing ally. You want to get noticed, go do that to the people who need it, the republicans or the oblivious whites who might be stupid enough to vote for republicans.

[DRoseDARs]

179. But see, the meeting wasn't important, the spectacle was...

Any damage to his campaign is incidental. As long as the meme, noble as its intentions are, gets spread far and wide, who cares what happens to allies (who've been at this for 50 fucking years)?

[DRoseDARs]

177. What. Utter. Shit. Bernie "took notice" before they were born.

And prior to this, he had meetings with them scheduled. Is he a Time Lord too? After the disruption, did he travel back in time to schedule those meetings because only now he "took notice"? BlackLivesHaveMattered to Sanders for 50+ years...

[Travis_0004]

291. Why are they going after 2 people who won't be president for 2 years

I'm not a clinton fan, but I think she will likely win the primary, and she wasn't there. Why not do something constructive and talk to somebody who is president now instead of shouting at two people who I doubt will even win the primary.

[DCBob]

295. Good question..

It could be they simply dont like the white progressive movement getting so much attention perhaps at the expense of issues like Sandra Bland and police brutality.

[jwirr]

284. Down in Selma on the anniversary event I remember the BLM group standing by the side of the

speakers stage and at one point they started chanting BLM, BLM, BLM. The crowd turned on them and asked them to quit because no one could hear the speakers.

In Ferguson MO they were up on what they were doing - non-violent protest at its best. But I have a suspicion that they are less up on how to confront the issue when in other situations. In Ferguson MO they needed to confront the enemy that was harassing them all the time. Do this.... Do that....

Here at this event and in Selma they needed a different approach. Because in both Selma and NN they were not facing the enemy but supporters. It does not help to shout down your own allies.

I suspect that next time candidates will not be so willing to attend this event.

[arcane1]

152. So they shouted for him not addressing their concerns, but planned to meet and discuss them after?

What the hell?

[DCBob]

158. Perhaps they thought a meeting wasnt enough.

They certainly have everyone's attention now.

[DRoseDARs]

185. Attention isn't a good thing if it's in the form of scorn.

They didn't do themselves any favors here.

[arcane1]

199. Especially when it results in the meeting being cancelled.

Brilliant move!

[arcane1]

195. Wouldn't it make more sense to make that judgement AFTER the meeting?

[winter is coming]

186. Apparently, they wanted camera time, not face time.

Why they thought that would better serve their interests, I don't know.

[Raine1967]

338. Thanks.

This was a really bad move.

[randys1]

421. If true, I am DEEPLY disappointed

Sure hope someone asks him about it Friday on Thom's show

[BooScout]

43. It's all Hillary's fault.....

She knew this would happen and that's why she stayed away. Let's start a petition!

Welcome to the real world of a national election for the Presidency! You ain't seen nuthin yet.

[leveymg]

52. No, she just benefits. The meme has been spread by amateurs who got lucky this time.

You're right, though. It's sure to get even dirtier.

[BooScout]

68. Amateurs?

Seems to me that Bernie and his campaign walked right into it.....and were ill-prepared too boot. So who is an amateur?

[leveymg]

83. Blame the victim, much?

Ya, I would say that Hillary runs her events with professional advance crews, wide-band media surveillance, and Secret Service doing the security. But, would I want those people to be running Bernie's campaign?

[Aerows]

117. I don't know why all of these folks

are coming into this thread pretending that they did not know it was a political stunt by Camp Weathervane, but everyone else knows it.

I'm not even going to pretend that this was authentic. Sell that narrative to someone else, because it does not fly.

[BooScout]

240. The DUZY nominations are closed....

Thanks for your entry though!

[quickesst]

90. I'll repeat.....

...what I wrote upthread. Looks like the Invasion Of Texas is about to get some company.

[1StrongBlackMan]

48. Oh ...

those unruly negroes!

[madfloridian]

58. Oh, come on.

[1StrongBlackMan]

80. Yeah ... That's it! ...

[Cha]

343. That poster is stuck in a "lee atwater" rut as if that will make it true.

[BooScout]

73. The audacity of them!

Speaking up and being heard at a Human Rights event! I am shocked I tell you! Shocked!

[madfloridian]

84. If you watched the video and still defend those actions..

then I am shocked.

[BooScout]

134. oh spare me.....

Bernie Sanders had better learn pretty fast how to go off script and discuss the issues that matter to people other than his one trick pony 1% meme or he is going to sink like a stone. It's not like he doesn't know he has a problem with broadening his base. If he cannot address the issues most important to minorities right now like racism in America, immigration, etc then he has no business attempting to run for President.

[madfloridian]

144. He said "black lives of course matter" and says he spents years of his life showing it.

Didn't matter at all. Nothing matters. He is considered racist. That's it. Bottom line.

It's a shame.

[BooScout]

155. I didn't say be was racist....

But he is extremely unprepared to address issues other than his 1% meme. Contrary to popular belief......in the real world, there are other issues that matter.

[madfloridian]

157. That's not the real world...most people don't shout others down.

[BooScout]

162. What world are you living in?

Holy shit......people get shouted down every day. You want folks to stand in the back of the room with their hands raised while their children are dying on the streets? Or their parents and grandparents are gunned down in church by racist nuts? People are scared and mad and sick and tired of being ignored or pigeon holed into someone's 1% strategy, you know, the one size fits all strategy.

[madfloridian]

165. Wow.

[jeff47]

180. Considering it was a major point of his speech the day before

I think you're pretty clueless about what he has been talking about.

[Vattel]

308. did you see the video? he did great.

He addressed the concerns of BLM.

[BooScout]

313. keep telling yourself that.....

If it makes you fell better.

[Vattel]

315. okay, I guess I missed something, lol

[1StrongBlackMan]

87. They just don't know what is best for them. n/t

[leveymg]

94. So, you think this is okay?

Yes or no?

[1StrongBlackMan]

97. Yes. n/t

[snpsmom]

151. I also think so.

How long do people need to sit down and shut up?

[1StrongBlackMan]

318. How long will liberals insist that ..

That negroes must express themselves in a manner that is acceptable to them?

[George II]

305. I'll bet some people are thinking they're "uppity"!

[1StrongBlackMan]

320. They would never use the word "uppity" ...

When disrespectful will do.

[George II]

327. I know - I hope you realized that was tongue in cheek.

[1StrongBlackMan]

381. Yes, I know ...

I just wanted people to know ... we know what we are hearing.

[Scootaloo]

129. Spoken like a true Clinton supporter

Tell us about the "hard-working americans, white americans" and their feeling that a few years ago, Barack obama "would have been carrying their bags." Then why not let's hear about how Barack obama was coasting along on the color of his skin and "making everything racism" and that he might have also been born in Kenya. Meanwhile, have a giggle over the massacre of Arabs in the wreckage of Libya and Iraq and the hope for the "obliteration" of Iran. Don't forget to talk about how Marriage is a "foundational foundation of history" and is only "Man and woman."

And then when you're done reliving everything your candidate stands for, you come back and tell us how she's the sole champion of all minorities on the democratic ticket. i'm sure we'll all be very receptive.

[1StrongBlackMan]

161. Okay ... LOL ...

Spoken like a true Clinton supporter

I am not a HRC supporter. I am undecided; but, leaning towards O'Malley. I liked how he handled the disruption ... far better than the, "Well if you don't want me here" line.

[shaayecanaan]

418. And that is why

you are going to hold Clinton's feet to the exact same fire and expect her to address racism in every speech and come up with solutions to eliminate racism and so forth.

Any day now...

Yep, can't be much longer now...

Yessiree, I reckon its right around the corner...

[1StrongBlackMan]

420. Your binary world must be so simple ...

I envy you.

[kath]

339. Thank you. All of that should NOT be forgotten.

Pathetic how so many here are so willing to just sweep all that under the rug.
(And you really can't be a founder of the DLC then credibly act like you are a champion of the poor, African-Americans, and other marginalized groups.)

[Scootaloo]

340. And that's just stuff I directly remember

I'm certain there's more, I just can't recall the exact specifics.

[freshwest]

255. Should have taken a page from 'We Are Respectable Negroes.'

http://www.chaunceydevega.com/2015/07/the-myopia-of-whiteness-david-brooks.html

See, all better now...

[irisblue]

344. alert results

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I know I'm tilting at windmills here, but madfloridian is a damned good DUer who wrote nothing racist in her OP, or in any other post that I've ever seen. This reply is totally over the top and dishonest.

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[irisblue]

345. stop alert stalking, it is making DU suck n/t

[madfloridian]

349. I was alerted on for just saying Oh... shocked at that.

[bravenak]

368. .

[Autumn]

71. That's rather sad that they would do that to the Democratic candidate that are their allies

Funny, did Elon James tweet about Martin O'Malley or just Bernie?

[ibegurpard]

104. meanwhile

Hillary was at a fundraiser.

[OKNancy]

143. A fundraiser not for herself but for the Democratic Party of Arkansas

Jefferson-Jackson day dinner.. planned long ago.

[BooScout]

174. Where electoral votes are in play

....but since she wasn't at Netroots....it's all her fault that Bernie got interupted and lost his shit.

[dsc]

194. there are lots of reasons to raise money for the democratic party of arkansas

but those electoral votes aren't in play.

[BooScout]

237. Oh yes they are....

If you think Hillary Clinton can not take the 6 electoral votes of Arkansas away from the Republicans in 2016 you would be seriously underestimating just how popular and well liked the Clintons are there. Those electoral votes are very much in play.

[ibegurpard]

217. but optics...

[GoneFishin]

122. It was an ambush intended to disrupt. Nothing constructive was gained for anyone present there.

[HooptieWagon]

168. They hurt themselves, badly.

Sanders had a meeting with them scheduled after his speech. He desired to hear them out and engage in constructive dialog. No other candidate has done so. After their immature outburst, the meeting was cancelled. I can't blame Sanders, they weren't interested in dialog they just wanted the spotlight. No one is going to take them seriously now. The issue is important, but needs leaders who are civil, and don't seek to make enemies out of allies.

[GoneFishin]

193. "We finally have the empathy of a serious national candidate. Let's belittle him on stage."

They need new leaders.

[HooptieWagon]

223. Attention to them was more important than attention to the cause, evidently.

[Phlem]

123. So hasn't it gotten any better with a black president?

They should be taking it to Obama if things have not gotten any better. I'm thinking he has more pull currently than any potential candidates and I would think he's got a shared interest in this issue.

This stinks to high heaven.

[madfloridian]

136. Here's the O'Malley part of the forum and the protestors. Judge for yourself the winners.

[madfloridian]

140. And the Bernie part. Judge for yourself.

He said he would get to the questions after he presented his views. They didn't like it so they kept shouting.

[madfloridian]

150. Watch the videos I posted.

Seems the host was egging them on.

[LuvNewcastle]

273. That's what it looks like to me.

He was only half-heartedly into the questioning before he abandoned it in favor of the disruptors. It's obvious to me that some people there just wanted to be seen and heard by the crowd. It was all about them. That's all right -- NN has effectively ruined itself as any kind of electoral organizing tool. In the long run, that's probably a good thing.

[Cheviteau]

149. Black lives matter...

...indeed. Jobs, education, jobs, education, jobs, education, jobs, education, jobs, education, jobs, education.................and on and on.

[JaneyVee]

159. This goes way beyond jobs and education.

[heaven05]

154. thank goodness for ambush

and O'Malley and Sanders are owed NOTHING.

[Number23]

365. Can you believe this shit? I don't know whether to laugh or cry reading this thread and this sad

little forum tonight. The wailing and moaning that people who are being slaughtered in the street didn't wait their turn to ask questions!!!11

I'll say it -- 1StrongBlackMan was right. ALL of us were right.

[madfloridian]

169. I am thinking the majority here approve.

I guess I should not be surprised.

[SoapBox]

198. Stunning, isn't it.

People will resort to any tactics to either

1. Get THEIR candidate elected

Or

2. Do a slash-and-burn tactic, thinking that it will make a difference but all they do is get further ignored because of their ranting, spewing disrespect.

Do Black Lives Matter?

Yes...as do all lives.

But these antics aren't going to get the message anyplace.

[CTBlueboy]

172. stop it

No one was ambushed stop that !

Elon James is correct black issues are often push into the back ! we are getting killed every 28 hours by police, our unemployment numbers are sky high, our children poverty rate is high, the income gap is getting bigger, and we still have to deal with bigots,racists from both parties to be honest.

Black progressives are just sick of white candidates/white dems/white progressive not taking what we say seriously. HRC , Chaffe, Webb will all get their turn to hear #blacklivematter

Black progressives are not going to allow this election cycle go without true "black agenda" which whomever the candiate will have to hold true or face repercussions

If you want us to vote you need to hear our cries and our problems

Sanders, HRC, Chaffe, Webb, an etc

[madfloridian]

173. They were responding when they kept getting shouted down.

[CTBlueboy]

187. Yes

The problem is was going to be a PC
which people fed up with

[madfloridian]

192. If you think Bernie's answers are PC, you are not listening.

[onecaliberal]

218. You either listen or you don't. When someone is trying to answer

Your questions and you shout them down you don't get to turn around and say they didn't listen. If you think anyone on the right gives two fucks about the violence going on keep alienating those who do really care. See where it gets you.

[CTBlueboy]

222. WP

When a protesters interrupted the Obama about lgbt issues did you say the same thing ?,

thank you answer massa let me get back to tending the field

[jwirr]

298. Interupting and shouting down are two different things.

[arcane1]

188. That's why Sanders had a scheduled meeting with them n/t

[jeff47]

189. Well, how you gonna hear that agenda when you shout over the candidate's response? (nt)

[Le Taz Hot]

202. Speaking for the entire African American community are you?

[CTBlueboy]

212. Democrats have failed us

I'm speaking as a African American activist, who supports blacklivesmatter and their efforts.

Black people are sick of the party not focusing on our issues.

I do not care if it makes HRC, Sanders, or any dem candidate uncomfortable

[Le Taz Hot]

219. Well, it's nice that the entire African-American youth

appointed you as their spokesperson. How nice for you.

[freshwest]

357. Well said. n/t

[sulphurdunn]

182. Black Lives Matter

activists heckle the two most liberal democratic candidates for president, the only two who might actually do something about the goddamn status quo in this country. How fucking stupid is that?

[jalan48]

203. They alienate a group who is most likely to support their cause. Why?

[sulphurdunn]

210. Why? Becasue

only American liberals, socialist, communists and other leftists have ever supported their cause with action, and because if they think republicans or "moderate democrats" will give them anything but lip services, they're even stupider than they just behaved.

[arcane1]

206. And blew their chance at having an actual face-to-face meeting with one of the candidates

I don't understand it.

[sulphurdunn]

216. The candidates will let bygones

be bygones. The problem is that the shit throwing was public and the goddamn right wingers will have a field day spinning it. And I'm not sure that wasn't the idea.

[winter is coming]

341. It's not a matter of "let bygones be bygones".

Candidates tend to have overscheduled days. Why waste any of that time meeting with people who have demonstrated an unwillingness to actually discuss anything?

[sulphurdunn]

370. I can't argue with that.

I just hope this doesn't resurrect the "all white people are racist" meme and aim it at the democrats. It's something Karl Rove would dream up.

[CTBlueboy]

207. WP

Its stupid because we want the candidates to address the issues in our community and we are fed up with the dancing around

See this what white privalge allows : black activist - "heckles"
white dems/white progressives- omg shut up he/she is liberal or democrat

I do not give two F*** if your liberal democrat if your Sanders, Martin, Webb, HRC or Biden you going to hear our voices even if it means drowning you out in your comfortable space.

[sulphurdunn]

226. If you want the candidates

to address the issues in your community they require the opportunity to do so without being shouted down. It appears as though this disruption was meant to silence them. I don't want to hear all your shit about "white privilege" and "comfortable space" because what happened at the Netroots Nation conference aids and abets the privilege and the comfort of the goddamn neo-Confederate Republican Party.

[CTBlueboy]

230. Your really letting your white privilege show huh

Aww Did I make you uncomfortable about calling you out speaking from your safe white space ?
You dont like when black person fend himslef massa ?


Sorry to burst your bubble by Republicans are not the only one that has bigots and racists in their party
See the racist in Democratic party is that get the blacks to vote and forget them

[sulphurdunn]

243. You don't know what color I am.

You don't know anything about me. No democratic socialist has ever been president of this country. We finally have a chance to put one in the White House, one who might actually do something for race relations, and you gotta start with the "massa" bullshit and the "all whites are racists" innuendos. Unless you want a certifiable racist republican in the White House you better seriously consider getting on the side you should be on and quit working for the Jim Crow party.

[jwirr]

300. Nor do you speak for all POC. My family is solidly behind Bernie. We understand what you are

talking about but we do not believe that is the way to solve the issue.

[MisterP]

184. Andrew Young did something similar with "Working Families for Wal-Mart" a few years back

also "Transit Messiah and the Sword and Shield of Black Children" Damien Goodmon holding up LA's Expo Line for 4 years (he wants to "help" on the LAX/Crenshaw Line too)

[silenttigersong]

200. I think this is about

Sandra Bland an activist for BLM who was found dead in a Texas Jail Cell.

[silenttigersong]

221. Also

we shall see if the Clinton campaign capitalizes on this event.Although I do not believe it is a campaign trick.Perhaps we can all benefit from this conciseness raising.All of us.


How about this say her name Sandra RIP

[jwirr]

304. If that was so all BLM had to do was say so. Many of us are very upset about that. But not only

that - we are upset with all of the killings we see even the ones that are not black. It could be any of my grandchildren and great grandchildren. But I do not blame everyone I can find to blame. We try very hard to change our own neighborhood and work with our political leaders when we can on a lot of issues. And when something happens like it did in Ferguson MO we give whatever kind of support we can.

[onecaliberal]

213. It's ironic that these people attack the only two

Candidates running that give two shits about them while giving a pass to the corporate who couldn't be bothered to show up. Dumb on so many levels. Net roots is a joke.

[gregcrawford]

215. Mr. James...

... and all the others insinuating that Bernie is "weak on race" had better do their homework. Sanders was risking his life marching in Civil Rights protests in the Deep South when they were barely a gleam in their mothers' eyes, if they'd been thought of at all.

The major issues that Bernie addresses in ALL his speeches transcend racial divisions; they affect EVERYONE, Black, Brown, and White alike. I am for "Black Lives Matter" one trillion percent, but I will NOT let protests based on lies go unchallenged.

These people REALLY piss me off.

[CTBlueboy]

225. change

All the Dem. Candiates are weak when it comes to issues on race
All dem. Candidates need to step out their white bubbles and talk black people because the dem. party has toss black people to the side and only come to us when its election to get us to vote for them

BLACK PEOPLE ARE NOT PAWNS !!!

[gregcrawford]

384. I do not dispute your point at all...

... but my comment was directed at certain factions attempting to undermine Bernie's candidacy by misdirection and outright lies about his commitment to the concerns of a sizable segment of society that has been oppressed for far too long. People of color.

No matter how sincere our intentions, old white guys like me have to be vigilant and hyper-aware not to overstep. Enthusiasm sometimes outpaces prudence, and mistaken impressions are conveyed.

Bernie is one of my senators. I've met and spoken with him several times, and have followed his career since he first ran for mayor of Burlington. He's the real deal. I'm a cynical old bastard, and I don't trust anyone too readily, let alone politicians of any stripe. But I trust Bernie. I think you can, too.

Take care, and have a good day.

[still_one]

228. Who were the moderators, and why weren't they doing their job?

[still_one]

233. If that was from the Media Director of Netroots, they have just lost their credibility. Heck from

the posts going on around here, I think Netroots is history now

[frylock]

387. I can't imagine many candidates will be scheduling appearances there going forward..

smart move by Clinton to skip this event.

[still_one]

392. you articulated in much better than I

[LordGlenconner]

242. This event sounds like a shit show

[nikto]

250. "Third-Way" Smears Don't Matter

[azmom]

252. The problem with this type of activism is

That the discussion always turns to the appropriateness of the action or to the response. The real issue that needs to be discussed is always lost.

[whereisjustice]

259. Perhaps they protested @ Sanders and O'Malley because both candidates might

do something useful to address their concerns unlike "the one who cannot be named", who will charge $250K for a speech about how awesome Wall Street is.

We have lost a generation to prisons and poverty due to policies advanced by the Clinton's and her 3rd way surrogates on Wall Street.

So, how does Clinton deal with protesters?

Ex-CIA Analyst Ray McGovern Beaten, Arrested for Silent Protest at Clinton Speech
http://www.democracynow.org/2011/2/18/ex_cia_analyst_ray_mcgovern_beaten

Sanders and O'Malley will recover. Clinton has everything to lose.

[brooklynite]

275. Can someone explain the "conspiracy"?

White posted these smoking gun tweets AFTER the protests had occurred:

Elon James White ?@elonjames 6h6 hours ago
Did O'Malley say White Lives Matter along with #BlackLivesMatter? Y'all wonder why folks shut shit down. #NN15

[msanthrope]

281. I think Jade Helm is involved. I'm sure of it. nt

[freshwest]

293. Meaning we can just blame Obama! BTW, he's also... you know... n/t

[LeftOfWest]

367. you do not help clinton.

[msanthrope]

372. You sound concerned. nt

[freshwest]

409. As a native Texan, I assure you that Jade Helm is everywhere! Just like Obama!

Obama Plans to Invade Texas, Enforce Gay Marriage and Create A New Kingdom of Liberal Darkness

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026964832

Coming to a state near you... Wait, coming to YOUR state!

I'm concerned, too... Well, not really, we're already doing all of that stuff, too. We love it and are SOOO going to hell up here...

[tammywammy]

386. shush, this is their big conspiracy

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonjames/status/622707209663688705

Elon James White – ?@elonjames

Who's "you guys?" My team didn't organize or even participate in the action. I just support the message.

[beam me up scottie]

303. Bernie: "I want an America where young black men are not harassed, killed and shot in the streets"

"And like everybody in this room, I want to see an America where when young black men walk down the street they will not be harassed by police officers, they will not be killed; they will not be shot!"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=455509

What do they think he learned?

[onecaliberal]

311. ^^That^^

[beam me up scottie]

312. I didn't think anyone would see that.

So busy swift boating him up thread.

[onecaliberal]

316. It's a spot on comment.

I'm so sick of the lies and smears against Bernie. He's been fighting for the cause longer than they've been alive.

[Maedhros]

309. This was the "Dean Scream" for Bernie and Martin.

A manufactured "gaffe" that wasn't/isn't.

What happened at NN reflects not at all on the candidates, only on the NN organizers and the BLM protesters. I share their anger at what is happening in America with respect to police violence and black Americans, but this accomplished little other than to undermine two candidates who could be powerful allies to their cause.

Who did benefit from this? I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.

[Metric System]

321. Yep, Hillary was behind this. NOW I've read everything. I guess calling her a whore wasn't enough.

[Maedhros]

363. No, I said she benefited.

She may well have known absolutely nothing about it.

[BainsBane]

322. Of course, because what do black lives matter compared to members of the political elite?

This kind of reverence for authority and value of politicians among the people they represent shows a profoundly conservative view of the relationship between elected representatives and the people. They are owed no apologies because they don't know how to deal with a social movement you clearly think inconsequential in comparison to one man's political career. Such disdain for social activism is reprehensible.

Hell will freeze over before I ever support such an authoritarian, conformist view of politics. Political activists do not need to "apologize" to the political elite because those two men mishandled the situation.

Those people are leftists, REAL leftists who are activists, who care about actual issues, who care about something besides the careers of the political elite. And you, in promoting a conformist and authoritarian version of politics where the people rare subordinate to politicians, demand they apologize. There is not now nor ever has been anything leftist about holding politicians above the people. It is profoundly anti-egalitarian and utterly shameful.

[ibegurpard]

323. meanwhile Hillary was at a fundraiser

[BainsBane]

328. The Jefferson-Jackson dinner

Good God. Aren't you supposed to be a Democrat? You act like something is wrong with attending a Jefferson-Jackson dinner? FFS.

And none of that covers up the fact you are all engaged in a collective effort to tell Black Lives Matter to sit down and shut up, to be differential to their betters. It's disgusting and shows just how some here are lining up against leftist activism. I don't ever again want to hear about how you are all so "progressive" when it's clear that is far from the case. First we had NRA talking points in response to a mass shooting. Now we have this, outright opposition to social protest.

[freshwest]

346. Thanks, dear BB. n/t

[ibegurpard]

351. The Jefferson Jackson Dinner in Arkansas

A solid red SMALL state that she has no chance of winning. You think because she was once first lady there she has a shot? She didn't go back to Arkansas to run for the Senate after leaving the White House...she went to New York. She's in Arkansas schmoozing for dollars while others are actually braving face time with angry people in the real world. Bernie Sanders isn't going to throw a sit fit and abandon his commitment to civil rights and battling institutional racism because of what happened today. Meanwhile Hillary will keep chasing money and taking votes for granted she probably ought not to. Wasn't that long ago she said "all lives matter" was it?

[madfloridian]

330. Double posted accidentally. Deleted

[madfloridian]

331. Do you consider Bernie to be the political elite? Do you think I care about actual issues?

Since this is addressed to be I take it rather personally.

You said:

no apologies because they don't know how to deal with a social movement you clearly think inconsequential in comparison to one man's political career. Such disdain for social activism is reprehensible.

So you just know I feel that way?

And I don't even recognize myself here.

Those people are leftists, REAL leftists who are activists, who care about actual issues, who care about something besides the careers of the political elite. And you, in promoting a conformist and authoritarian version of politics where the people rare subordinate to politicians, demand they apologize. There is not now nor ever has been anything leftist about holding politicians above the people. It is profoundly anti-egalitarian and utterly shameful.

I would feel angry but it just makes me sad.

[msanthrope]

378. Tell us how a white Senator who has held a congressional seat for almost three decades is

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not the political elite.

[JustAnotherGen]

393. Plus One. - And

That makes him an insider.

[madfloridian]

337. Just reading twitter. General consensus is they put white people in their places.

Unfortunately they went after the progressive Democratic candidates.

I left the site feeling like there will no words, no actions acceptable now. Nothing.

To those of us who really do have liberal progressive thoughts and actions, it is just plain discouraging.

I read one post that said now they (meaning white progressives) know how we feel.

Unfortunately, the right wing blogs are thoroughly enjoying this eating of our own.

[JustAnotherGen]

394. No words, no actions acceptable now

And if that is true? What next?

What will the Democratic party do?

Ever read the fifth part of The Sound And The Fury? What Dilsey says about their servants at the end?

"They endured."

We have endured in this country for 400 some odd years and will continue to do so - with or without the approval of te elites. We never had their approval to begin with.

[romanic]

342. I KNEW there had to be some dirty politics going on.

Wow! This Elon James dude is an obvious loser; obvious by the fact that he's sitting on his ass responding to every tweet calling his shilling ass out. Boy you ain't nobody so fall back!

[madfloridian]

350. Please keep reading his tweets. Bernie's the enemy.

https://twitter.com/elonjames

[snagglepuss]

352. Trashing white progressives... either utter and complete stupidity.

or those writing those tweets are Clinton operatives because I don't see her being trashed.

[madfloridian]

358. 2 posts at his twitter just now...Bernie supporters are their enemies.

Frances Lefkowitz ?@YesFrances 16m16 minutes ago

@elonjames Are Bernie Sanders fans the new Scientologists? So intolerant, condescending, and sure they know what's best for "us."
9 retweets 12 favorites
Elon James White retweeted
TeamNoChill ?@MsRita73 30m30 minutes ago

@Basslands @elonjames I can't w/ these so called allies..& I swear if one more cries but he stood w/ MLK who's he standin w/ right now!
View conversation
6 retweets 7 favorites

elonjames retweeted them, so must mean he agrees.

This kind of stuff breaks my heart.

[eridani]

359. Obviously because the candidate of "hardworking people, white people" will do so much more--

--to combat racism

[frylock]

389. She'll do as much as our first black president has.

[JustAnotherGen]

396. I'm one of the black folk

And I think he's done just fine.

[frylock]

399. What has he done?

What solutions should be proposed? I would sincerely like to know.

[JustAnotherGen]

403. Sanders should Sit down with

This Week In Blackness and Goldie Taylor and apologize - like Martin O'Malley did.

[frylock]

404. I don't disagree, but I'm still looking for specific policy being proposed by #blacklivesmatter..

and would like to know if they've engaged President Obama.

[JustAnotherGen]

405. Milliesmom avid Saders supporter has written them

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1251459384#post13

You should reach out to them.

I'm going to do so - and point out on O'Malleys web site where restoring the VRA is a key priority for him.

[frylock]

406. Thank you.

[seveneyes]

424. Bernie has nothing to apologize for

The hecklers and whomever instigated this shitstorm should apologize.

[JustAnotherGen]

425. Better call the Zimpig and that jury

Zimpig started it. He should apologize.

And of you don't understand that - where this rage started?

Then you are a good person - but know nothing about us - and we can't waste time on you because you will never get it.

[seveneyes]

426. There is damn little I do not "get"

Those who ascribe an individual action to define a larger set are dealing with quantum physics, not human nature.

It didn't start with Zimmerman...he just got latched onto by other actors. Many predate him.

Individual hate has been going on since humans got comfortable in life. Using a human individual's action to define those that looks like them is a big fail.

[JustAnotherGen]

427. That's where you are wrong

It did.

Zimpig.

Trayvon is the new Till.

Whether you like it or not - that's how many in black America viewed that.

Now add in the pressure cooker we have lived in since Obama became President -

And well.

"Don't talk down to me." <-----That's all those folks yelled. That's what they were saying.

You don't have to like what black people think, say, do, yell, write - but we aren't going to stop because you don't like it.

This isn't going away. If you came to my house for Christmas Eve dinner this past year -

A room full of black people - you would see how wrong you are. And my friend - you are wrong.

At this point - I can't save you. I have to let you wallow in your blindness.

Please I beg you - don't tell me How to feel or think on issues that impact the people I love.

You don't know. They aren't your people - so leave us alone.

I will take the hide for this.

[seveneyes]

428. I see no need to hide. No race is monolithic

Some attitudes may come in groups, but that's mostly social engineering, intentional or not.

[eridani]

397. You want to trust somenone who won't hesitate to use a dog whistle against you--

--go right ahead.

[frylock]

400. I don't, but I'd like to understand why the black community who supports her might.

[eridani]

402. Probably name recognition. Or they didn't hear about the dog whistle n/t

[romanic]

361. Dude is a thirsty simp.

Thirsting for attention like he's somebody. Boy bye not with that face!

[HooptieWagon]

429. Hold it right there----

Rep Hank Johnson.... He's a member of the CBC and CPC...I think he's on the House Judiary Committee also. He was participating in the morning panel discussion...has he issued a statement?

ETA... Oh, very interesting find. He's one of Hillary's Congressional endorsements. The plot thickens.

[scarletwoman]

433. No, the plot doesn't fucking thicken. There were four other groups that morning, all involving

AA activism. I just highlighted one of them because it seemed most relevant.

I absolutely, categorically do NOT support your conspircay theory bullshit you and others here have been posting for the past two days. I think it's disgusting, ridiculous, delusional, and totally denigrates the very real issues that Black Lives Matter is calling attention to.

You obviously didn't bother with the link I included to the post that I wrote on Saturday, lauding the protestors. Fine, I will delete my post - rather than give any more fuel to the delusional paranoics around here.

When I originally posted, I thought that my fellow Bernie supporters were generally rational people. I've been roundly disabused of that assumption, and it has saddened me greatly.

[sabrina 1]

362. Just talked to this guy on twitter. He refused to answer my questions re why he did what he did

and resorted to name-calling rather than answer my questions. He was trashed by both AAs and everyone else for 'attacking allies'. Couldn't get him to answer a direct question, he and a few of his friends responded mostly with name calling 'you're stupid' and other insults. Not that I cared, but it sure says to me does not represent the people I have come to know from BLM.

[romanic]

369. From what I can tell.

Elon wasn't originally with BLM, he latched onto it when it got more buzz after the Baltimore riots.

[malokvale77]

410. Shame...

It seems he's latched on to a righteous movement and is using it for self promotion.

[L0oniX]

390. Maybe Hillary also knew and so did not attend.

I'll just post my own more comfortable tin hat

[malokvale77]

407. "White Progressives™ are gonna learn today. #SayHerName #NN15."

When you choose to dump on the only two candidates that give a damn about the obstacles you face daily...just what am I suppose to learn from that?

My father, who never stopped me from doing what I was bound to do, always wound up saying "That'll learn ya". He was a big believer in learning through experience.

I can say, this primary season certainly is "learning" me.


By the way...when did the term white progressives get trademarked?

[madfloridian]

415. You noticed that trademark also?

You asked:

By the way...when did the term white progressives get trademarked?

First thing I saw, afraid to ask.

[shaayecanaan]

419. A century ago

Lenin thought that once the working classes in France and Germany were awakened to their common interests, they would refuse to fight each other, and the imperialist war project would crumble.

Of course it didnt work out that way, and the French and German workers happily did the bidding of their respective ruling classes and slaughtered each other by the millions.

The simple fact is that its easier to appeal to nationalism than to class interest. The Republican Party has learnt that it is easy to make white people vote against their economic interests, and the Democratic Party seems to have learnt the trick as well.

[madfloridian]

416. How can the term White Progressives™ be trademarked.

Just wondering.

[Skittles]

417. lol

I don't know, but there sure seems to be a lot of "spokespeople" for them here on DU....I am really tired of the stereotyping

[blackspade]

422. Not good.

[Peregrine Took]

430. As usual, a thoughtful and considered post.

The protestors hurt their cause way way more than they helped it. I was in their corner all along but now - the mere mention of the BLM group brings to mind the kind of obnoxious boorish people I loathe.

Make your friggin' point passionately but BE NICE BE RESPECTFUL!!!!

Seems so obvious - if you are a grown up, that is.