2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWaPo: Bernie Sanders isn’t Barack Obama, and 2016 isn’t 2008
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But thats where the similarities end. From the perspective of someone who worked on his campaign and in his White House, its clear that Obamas race against Clinton is not a useful example. Understanding the dynamics at play in the 2016 primaries requires looking further back at history. And unfortunately for Sanders, history shows that there are only two types of Democratic insurgent candidates: Barack Obama and everyone else.
The current system for selecting nominees in the Democratic Party is less than 50 years old. After the disastrous 1968 campaign and nominating convention in Chicago, the party abandoned the smoke-filled rooms of yore and shifted to a series of primaries and caucuses. The 1972 nomination went to the grass-roots favorite, Sen. George McGovern (S.D.), who used the new rules to edge out establishment picks Hubert Humphrey and Henry Scoop Jackson. (McGovern won only Massachusetts and the District of Columbia in the general election against Richard Nixon.) In nearly every election since then, an anti-establishment figure has sought the nomination.
m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)
..Wall Street funding base and never, ever changes being a weather vane for whom policy positions are always a question of will it help or hurt her power if she supports something. So, yup, she never changes!
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)I keep reading on DU how Bernie hasn't changed his position on anything in 40 years, while Hillary changes hers all the time.
Don't ya just hate it when the talking points don't mesh with reality?
Cha
(297,888 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)MoonRiver
(36,926 posts)Cha
(297,888 posts)Algernon Moncrieff
(5,794 posts)Cha
(297,888 posts)"Nope"
Clever.
Cha
(297,888 posts)included.
Iliyah
(25,111 posts)Evolution. Not creationist. And we as homo sapiens are still evolving. Most for the better, Like HRC, some not, like Trump, Cruz and the rest of the clowns in the GOP.
Cha
(297,888 posts)sheshe2
(83,986 posts)I want a President that has evolved, you need to grow, you need to listen and learn, to become an effective leader.
Cha
(297,888 posts)with President Obama.. they do not get stuck in the ol arrogant rut.
calimary
(81,556 posts)WHO among us feels exactly the same about the issues as we did when we were 30 or more years younger? I've certainly evolved in my thinking on a number of matters. Well, the elders among us anyway!
Cha
(297,888 posts)the republicons in Congress.
Dems need to GOTV.. all years. Not just the Presidential elections. Our Dem Leaders need help in Congress!
Zorra
(27,670 posts)status.
The majority of voters continue to do the same thing over and over, expecting a different result.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)*good*.
stevenleser
(32,886 posts)Efforts are behind Obamas at this point in 2007 (or any point in the campaign) is likely to be fatal.
But what does Dan Pfiefer know?
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,718 posts)*Suffolk Poll
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Cha
(297,888 posts)Director since 2009.
Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)And this time Hillary is using some of the same campaign workers used by Obama, she will have a strong showing.
Unknown Beatle
(2,672 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)There would be none of that TPP crap.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Maybe you didn't do your homework but we for the most part got exactly what we were promised in 2008.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)MisterP
(23,730 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)Now we are confined to two people who I will credit for meaning well, but it'll never be the same.
Those who have discounted and trashed Obama will find another reason to hate the USA and the POTUS.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,794 posts)He's made some mistakes (they all do), but I think he'll be viewed very well. You really don't know until five - sometimes ten years after last term ends.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)HERVEPA
(6,107 posts)SunSeeker
(51,771 posts)davidpdx
(22,000 posts)That doesn't mean Sanders isn't the best candidate. But keep on telling us how to vote Dan.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)Not in either party.
ucrdem
(15,512 posts)That's been obvious to many of us from well before Bernie announced. I'd like to think there was some way he could win the Dem nomination, but I don't see one, and the fact that Bernie himself has made no effort to actually become a Dem suggests that he doesn't see one either.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)average Americans, rather than trying to demoralize the other side into giving up without any real debate on policy.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)He'll actually fight for the things he campaigns on and won't ever capitulate and kiss Republican ass.
Thanks for pointing that out.