2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhat about a Sanders/Nader ticket?
Sanders is just a 2016 version of Nader, right?
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,169 posts)Just leave Nader off of it .
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)He'll draw in more votes. Plus he's unsafe at any speed.
Snotcicles
(9,089 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Perhaps it would be more apropos, since they are both corporatists.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Trump would never eat cornflake crusted chicken dinners at those campaign stops. That's why he's a GOPer.
Ilios Meows
(26 posts)It may have an adverse effect on the discussion. :-/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Chicken, duck, ... as God is my witness I thought turkeys could fly.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)but then again we are talking about Trump.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)His boys got him a more stylish toupee
http://inhabitat.com/donald-trumps-sons-under-fire-for-photos-with-dead-leopard-elephant-and-more/
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Some jackbooted ultra-violence to avenge my furry friends. (The anarchist referred to earlier)
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)that's misandrist.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Is that Axe? *cough cough*
It's nice.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And look forward to being accused of being a dirty sock Masshole.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Masshole sounds like a personal insult and we can't have that here.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)still_one
(92,492 posts)threads that aren't about her.
onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)depends on the iron content, but it is possible. You really want to get the slag off so the end molten steel isn't to brittle-
Got Kiln?
840high
(17,196 posts)Vinca
(50,323 posts)arcane1
(38,613 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Nader did important things many decades ago, but showed himself as a total ass in the wake of the 2000 election, when he openly took pleasure in being called the 'spoiler', even though he wasn't actually the reason Florida was stealable.
99th_Monkey
(19,326 posts)Sanders is running in the Democratic Primary 2016.
Nader ran three times for POTUS, twice (1996 & 2000) as a Green
Party candidate, and once as an independent 'spoiler' in the 2004 General.
BIG difference. Bernie is no spoiler. He's smarter than that.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)he didn't in '00 and Cobb fought harder for '04 than Kerry did
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)We're trolls. Or I am, anyhow.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)How ya like THOSE for some slogans?
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Swag will update the spreadsheet, and the sitting in the back of the bus will regain the prestige it had during High School. It would be a game changer- at least for me it would.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)AND, Swag is an intellectual.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)You really need to rethink this.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)PoliticAverse
(26,366 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Impedimentus
(898 posts)Bernie and Zephyr would make a GREAT ticket, IMO. She's originally from Vermont and he's originally from NY. I guess that might pose some geographical problems, but it would be an exciting ticket.
FSogol
(45,579 posts)Jamastiene
(38,187 posts)Now that would make an excellent ticket...and the music would be great!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)<yawn> Next time make it less obvious.
still_one
(92,492 posts)Rosa Luxemburg
(28,627 posts)Bernie is not a 2016 version of Nader
BeyondGeography
(39,393 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)Knocked it out of the park, sir!
Le Taz Hot
(22,271 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Scuba
(53,475 posts)No Vested Interest
(5,167 posts)Besides, he's older than God.
(81, to be exact)
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm not going to fall for this crap.
mmonk
(52,589 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Rhythm
(5,435 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)INdemo
(6,994 posts)If that is really what you think, then you need to do some serious research on Ralph Nader..
When you do I imagine you will delete your OP
Avalux
(35,015 posts)I think it's funny, that comparison. Funny and ludicrous.
CTBlueboy
(154 posts)OR
- Hillary/Kissinger
-Hillary/Blankflein
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graywarrior
(59,440 posts)I guess that dream just went out the window or down the toilet.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I give him guts points for that.
I would have upended a table, screaming Prostitution Whore! But that's more of a move for catholic school girls.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I feel like we shld TP PETA now.
Maedhros
(10,007 posts)/ignore.
graywarrior
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helderheid
(38,039 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)And it's sexist, dammit!
Signed - Thirdy Third and a Turd Way Betty
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)Now there's no chance this will be a thread that never dies.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I shock myself, others shock me not so much!
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Shoot it with my AK-47, and drop bombs on it from my F-35. Thanks, Bernie!
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Wow...lots has happened since I left here.
GoneFishin
(5,217 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)Not impressed with you.
Autumn
(45,120 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Anarchist friend. They're actually pretty demanding for people with no rules.
Signed-Third way Betty
Autumn
(45,120 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)They even call me Frank.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Give me a minute to put on my new jack boots.
I bought them in GD!
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)duck?
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Rhythm
(5,435 posts)graywarrior
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Rhythm
(5,435 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)I've been here since 2002
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Rhythm
(5,435 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)DinahMoeHum
(21,825 posts)n/t
peacebird
(14,195 posts)Rhythm
(5,435 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)but those jaws lock.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)HFRN
(1,469 posts)rightly or wrongly
but that means tactically, Nader would be a minus on the ticket
zappaman
(20,606 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Bacon could save you here though. Just saying.
:-P
bettyellen
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bettyellen
(47,209 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)bettyellen
(47,209 posts)ladjf
(17,320 posts)such an inane question?
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)floyd1
(20 posts)Ralph Nader says that Bernie entering the race is "good news", but he is not completely satisfied with Bernie's platform- particularly with Bernie's general lack of clarity on attacking the military-industrial complex and Bernie's stance on the Israel/Palestine conflict. Bernie has not come out explicitly against aid to Israel and does not totally condemn the attacks against Gaza by the right-wing Likuds. Bernie justifies the attacks (in the video below) based off of Israeli propaganda (Namely the fact that Hamas does not want Israel to exist). However, Bernie has stated in a recent town-hall meeting that the attacks on hospitals and sanctuaries by Israel in the latest attack on Gazans was "horrendous".
Ralph's other critique of Bernie would be his legitimating the Democratic/Republican Party by running within it. The two party system has been a big part of Ralph's critique. Recently on Ralph's weekly radio show "Ralph Nader Hour", reporter and activist Chris Hedges said that when he asked Bernie why "would he ever want to run as a Democrat?" (Bernie being a long-time Independent), Bernie said because he "didn't want to end up like Nader", a political pariah. Nader has rarely appeared on major television since 2000 and has been unable to garner connections with leading Democrats. Let's remember that Ralph Nader has said multiple times that Bernie Sanders has never replied to any of Ralph's mail or telephone calls. Sanders is still playing the 'game': Let's hope there is a miracle and he wins it- anything is better than flip-flopper "Generalissima Hillary R. Clinton" as Ralph Nader always says!
Here are some sources to back up the above comments:
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-http://ralphnaderradiohour.com/2015/07/11/chris-hedges-dr-nicholas-ashford/
P.S.:
More likely, and more politically savvy: Sanders/Warren ticket.
Cheers!
daleanime
(17,796 posts)Kalidurga
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DCBob
(24,689 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)abakan
(1,819 posts)I would never vote for that ticket.
artislife
(9,497 posts)helderheid
(38,039 posts)onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)artislife
(9,497 posts)graywarrior
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onecaliberal
(32,976 posts)Agschmid
(28,749 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)What Would Laura Brannigan Do?
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)vote all tied up then! Let us sing! Ai yi yi yi...!
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Or is it whom?
Rhythm
(5,435 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)snooper2
(30,151 posts)Rosie1223
(2,013 posts)Everyone check your PMs.
Dr. Strange
(25,928 posts)Or RIGHT FUCKING NOW???!!?!!?
Cha
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Cha
(297,935 posts)graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Stardust
(3,894 posts)swag
(26,490 posts)Well, not really.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)HooptieWagon
(17,064 posts)They're both women.
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)Now you're talking!
LWolf
(46,179 posts)I think a Sanders/Warren ticket is more likely.
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Buzz cook
(2,474 posts)Hard with a fist full of Florida ballots.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)bluedigger
(17,088 posts)GoddessOfGuinness
(46,435 posts)I wonder if Bernie would consider him.
graywarrior
(59,440 posts)Indeed, he would.
merrily
(45,251 posts)madfloridian
(88,117 posts)helderheid
(38,039 posts)"...the activity of drinking underage and firing bottle rockets out of one's own anus constitutes an 'ultra hazardous' activity."
Hissyspit
(45,788 posts)Only if they announce at Olive Garden.
liberal N proud
(60,352 posts)stevenleser
(32,886 posts)My take is that like many of us, Sanders views Nader and his 2000 run for the white house as a destructive and vainglorious act that gave us Bush. Sanders own decision to run as a Democrat shows his quiet disdain for Nader's choice to run as an independent/3rd party.
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Ralph Nader jabs Bernie Sanders in letter
In an unusual Wednesday letter, former long-shot presidential candidate Nader urged potential future long-shot presidential candidate Sanders to change the way he does business in the Senate and fulfill his unfulfilled potential.
You are a Lone Ranger, unable even to form a core progressive force within the Senate, Nader wrote the Vermont independent. Without internal and external networking, there are no strategies to deploy, beyond speechifying, putting forward amendments that go nowhere and an occasional hearing where you incisively question witnesses.
A Nader aide confirmed the veracity of the letter, which was sent to the senator as he informed The Nation that he is prepared to run for president of the United States in the form of a very unconventional campaign. An independent to the left of most Senate Democrats that he caucuses with, Sanders said hes wary of running for president as an independent because it could help Republicans. In fact, he called it the Nader dilemma.
It sounds like Nader, a former Green Party and independent candidate for president, would like to discuss that very issue with Sanders but has been unable to reach him despite years of trying. So Nader wrote Sanders to get his attention and warn him that in Naders view, Sanders can have greater impact in the Senate and perhaps beyond.
http://www.politico.com/story/2014/03/ralph-nader-bernie-sanders-letter-104376.html
Sancho
(9,070 posts)First Dean Capone; followed by Bernie Sanders....
http://www.deancapone.com
Greg Pason is National Secretary of the Socialist Party USA. Greg is also a former Socialist Party candidate for Governor and U.S. Senate; former Co-Chair of the NJ Branch of the National Writers Union, former member of the Brandworkers International Board of Directors, former chair of the Coalition for Free and Open Election and ABC-No-Rio Collective member/volunteer.
http://vote-socialist.org/presidentialsearch2015.html
http://www.independentpoliticalreport.com/2015/02/greg-pason-socialists-and-the-living-wage-issue/
Excerpts from Greg Parson...you be the judge. Some sounds like familiar language to me:
The current left and progressive labor movements call for a $15 minimum wage poses the need for immediate improvements in compensation of the lowest-paid workers. But it falls short in some ways, and I believe democratic socialists can both strengthen the campaign and use the current focus on a $15 and hour minimum wage to put forward a democratic socialist vision.
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When we organize around wage and labor issues, we need to connect that work to a vision of the type of economy we are fighting for. The focus is not just to get a higher wage but also to challenge an economic model (i.e., capitalism) that takes power from the workers who provide the labor power and the communities affected by the decisions of business. We are clear in our principles that democratic socialism is not mass industrial plants run under a command economy. While that might be a type of socialism advocated by others, it is not a vision we share. We also need to be clear that democratic socialism is not welfare state capitalism, which allows capitalism to function but under stringent restrictive and directives.
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LeBron James Seems to Get it
A recent article in Salon magazine titled A specter is haunting the NBA the specter of socialism, describes a demand by new NBA Union Executive Director Michele Roberts: that NBA revenue be roughly split between players and owners. Salon comments, If the NBA currently operates according to a sort of Keynesian, redistributive model, Roberts has provoked an imagination of a socialistic league, a revolutionary model that is, strictly speaking, non-capitalist. (It is socialistic in the broad sense of the term, not in the way the word socialism is used to describe welfare-state models. These are mostly capitalist economies with socialistic salves to grease the gears, smooth out cyclical troughs and ward off unrest.)
Why dont we have the owners play half the games? challenged Roberts when asked about the revenue-split issue. A Marxist truism now becomes a joke when considered in the case of the NBA: its the workers who create the value, not the owners. No one wants to hear And starting at power forward
Donaaaald Sterrrrrliiiing!
Roberts drives the point home: There would be no money if not for the players
There. Would. Be. No. Money. Owners are expendable, she suggests: Thirty more owners can come in, and nothing will change. These guys [the players] go? The game will change. So lets stop pretending.
Its sad when Salon Magazine does a better job describing socialism than some labor organizations do. Even the NBAPA gets it: Owners are expendable.
Bernie Sanders:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/07/13/what-bernie-sanders-is-willing-to-sacrifice-for-a-more-equal-society/
The thing Bernie Sanders says about inequality that no other candidate will touch
There are very few unspoken rules among major-party candidates for president, and Bernie Sanders is breaking one of them. Hes saying that Americas leaders shouldnt worry so much about economic growth if that growth serves to enrich only the wealthiest Americans.
Our economic goals have to be redistributing a significant amount of [wealth] back from the top 1 percent, Sanders said in a recent interview, even if that redistribution slows the economy overall.
Unchecked growth especially when 99 percent of all new income goes to the top 1 percent is absurd, he said. Where weve got to move is not growth for the sake of growth, but weve got to move to a society that provides a high quality of life for all of our people. In other words, if people have health care as a right, as do the people of every other major country, then theres less worry about growth. If people have educational opportunity and their kids can go to college and they have child care, then theres less worry about growth for the sake of growth.
Sanderss position inverts decades of orthodoxy among liberal and conservative candidates alike, by prizing redistribution above all else. It taps into the mounting frustration in America, particularly among more liberal voters, with the widening gap between the rich and everyone else.
tenderfoot
(8,438 posts)eom
jeepers
(314 posts)I think it was Mark Twain who said to paraphrase, when I was young I could not believe how stupid my father was but as I got older he grew smarter.
then
Ralph Nader was Americas foremost consumer advocate, the leading anti corporate crusader, out spoken and distrustful of the two party system and you give him the big fuck you. Now in the same voice you heap praise on Bernie the anti corporate, consumer advocate and third party politico. Yeah, nobody fooled you
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,928 posts)until Lee Mercer, Jr explained the situation to them (NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL).
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Rhythm
(5,435 posts)Dr. Strange
(25,928 posts)Jeb Bush is all in my house with disease--and the only cure is more cowbell!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)a (expressing a sexual function) (designation for yourself) (I'm kidding)
He's scaring a lot of Hillary supporters, and well he should. Obama has been our President because she lost.
HappyMe
(20,277 posts)No, Sanders wouldn't pick Nader for dog catcher.
No, Sanders isn't 2016s Nader.
redstateblues
(10,565 posts)Amazing that very few of the fervent Nader voters actually own up to it