I am now for Bernie sanders

[yeoman6987]

He is getting my vote! The Hillary supporters changed my mind and I believe Bernie is needed for our country.

[madokie]

1. I use to wonder why so much Obama bashing

was allowed on this board then it hit me that many of the ones who have been bashing O for the last 6.5 years are/were hillary supporters who lost in 08 and they neverg got over it

IMHO

[yeoman6987]

3. I won't vote for Hillary.

Bernie must win!!!!!

[Agschmid]

12. It seems your convictions just changed...

But hey whatever.

[Snotcicles]

26. Antonio Porchia: Convince me, but without convictions. Convictions no longer convince me. nt

[Agschmid]

27. Yah that about sums up how I feel about this OP.

[blm]

66. Yep. 100s of anti-Pelosi, anti-Obama, anti-Dem, anti-union, pro-shooter posts and now

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announces FOR Bernie by blaming DU, yet again.

Haven't enough of us seen this game played before?

[Sheepshank]

70. totes!!!! n/t

[demmiblue]

4. That is not true. Most of the Hillary supporters are strong Obama supporters.

With the exception of a few.

[hrmjustin]

15. That is Bull!

We support our President. We me not agree with him always but we love him.

[tritsofme]

29. That certainly hasn't been my experience. It seems Obama's loudest and persistent critics are

lined up behind Sanders here. It would actually surprise me to see a persistent critic of the administration get behind Hillary.

[Sheepshank]

71. Nope, 100% disagree

A majority of Bernie supporters never were behind Obama. If fact they use Obama's policies as a bludgeon against Hillary.

Why are so many attempting to rewrite history?

Could it be an attempt to sway voters the way sometimes Polls are used? I think so. Any one else remember all of those polls trying to drum up support for Romney because he was supposedly so popular, and everyone wants to be on a winning team? Right? Well, it didn't work then either.

[tritsofme]

82. Actually I think we 100% agree

And you replied to the wrong post!

[Sheepshank]

84. O h yeah...right

now my rant looks silly lol

[redstateblues]

33. You pulled that out of

The place where the sun don't shine. It is my experience that the bernistas are the most critical of Obama. Bernistas have called him a used car salesman- a piece of sh##- republican lite- pretty brutal stuff.

[NanceGreggs]

36. Hillary is being accused of being ...

... EXACTLY what Obama has been accused of being - and by the same posters; i.e. "a corporate sellout, beholdin' to the 1%, in-bed with the GOP", etc.

And now the HRC supporters are regularly accused of wanting to elect HRC is order to uphold the "status quo" as established by Obama, and see her presidency as Obama's "third term".

But according to YOU - after some truly astute research, I'm sure -- the Hillary supporters are the ones who have been "bashing Obama" all along.



As I said the last time you floated this utterly ridiculous idea, you might want to check out the names of The BOG posters and the names of the Hillary supporters - and note who's who. You also might want to check out the names of the most fervent Obama-bashers over the last 6.5 years and note that they are not now, never have been, and never will be Hillary supporters.

Seriously, dude - you really should be aware of the fact that people who post here ARE capable of seeing these things for themselves - and are equally capable of seeing how utterly ludicrous your "theory" is.

[Andy823]

38. That pretty much sums it up

Anyone who says the Hillary supporters are the ones who bashed Obama for all these years really isn't dealing with reality.

[NanceGreggs]

40. Yeah, well ...

... there's a lot of that "not dealing with reality" going around here lately. In fact, it's an epidemic.

[Lil Missy]

50. Indeed it is an epidemic. I feel like I fell through the looking glass and I'm

in Alice in Wonderland. Delusions galore here.

[AgingAmerican]

46. I think it is the other way around

Many of Hillarys supports are the same ones who bashed her relentlessly in 08. Back then Obama supporters went on an anti-Hillary rampage. Randy Rhodes turned into an Ann Coulter like creature and self immolated over her. Now many of those former bashers cannot handle any critique of her.

Sometimes life comes full circle.

[hrmjustin]

39. .

[Sheepshank]

72. +100 and there you have it...fact vs fiction

facts easily obtained.

[ismnotwasm]

85. +1000

So very well said

[NCTraveler]

86. What board have you been reading? nt.

[aspirant]

2. Welcome, real change is needed

[yeoman6987]

5. So true

I think Hillary supporters are changing minds and don't even realize it. I was 100 percent for Hillary until today. Now it is Bernie all the way to general.

[demmiblue]

6. Oh, please.

Personally, I don't think you support either of them.

How is it that people here cannot see through this shite.

[yeoman6987]

13. I notice you don't mention who you support

I announced in public. You criticize. How revolutionary of you.

[demmiblue]

22. Mostly Sanders, but I want to know more about O'Malley.

Clinton in the general, if it comes down to that. Hopefully, it doesn't.

Happy? I still think you don't support either, though.

[RandiFan1290]

56. I see it

Very obvious!



I've never seen a liberal opinion from that poster

[delrem]

42. I sure can't get my mind around that statement!

You were 100% behind a candidate until today, then you do an instantaneous 180 because of what some DU supporters of that candidate said????

That makes no sense at all! In fact it's scary that voters can be so .... charming.
Esp. since there are several very substantial differences between these candidates.

[Agschmid]

43. Yup... odd huh?

Especially from someone who wants to defund Amtrak.

[MADem]

44. Oh, I can. But never mind that....

Let's listen to some music, instead!

[delrem]

47. There are a couple well known people on DU flying the Bernie avatar

who have never, to my knowledge as a regular reader of DU, posted anything remotely suggesting that they would support Bernie Sanders. The opposite, in fact -- their politics would be way way way closer to yours. As "Bernie supporters" their posts have never promoted any policy that Sanders is distinguished for, but instead all their posts castigate Sanders' supporters for being especially awful people.

Go figure.

[BrotherIvan]

48. There are more than a few "stealth" Sanders supporters

Some flamed out early on. Some still sport Bernie avatars. I have no idea what the reasoning is behind it, but there it is. So bizarre.

[delrem]

52. bizarre, yet following an inevitable pattern. more than strange.

[MADem]

57. I think Bernie has a lot of good ideas.

I simply don't see him as "electable." Electability is an important consideration.

Good ideas are just not enough. The ability to work with mayors, governors, a United States Congress, and world leaders isn't something that is an unimportant talent--and I don't think he's terribly skilled in that end of things. He's not much of a schmoozer, and schmoozing is a big part of the job.

He does fine when he's responsible for his own homogenous constituency. I think he'll have a harder time when he has to balance competing priorities. That's part of why he's not my first choice--it's not so much his "ideas" as his ability, quite bluntly, to translate those ideas into reality through leadership...I don't think he's got the goods on that score. Being a curmudgeon only takes one so far.

[merrily]

97. More than a couple.

And quite a few fronting, as in "I love Bernie Sanders, but (insert negative comment du jour about Bernie here)."

And another group claiming, "I am no fan of Hillary, but. (insert positive comment about Hillary and/or negative comment about Bernie here).

Do they get how transparent they are, or don't they care?

Whatever. It has entertainment value, so I appreciate it.

[kath]

104. Oh, yeah.

One in particular comes to mind.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

53. Welcome aboard!

[LordGlenconner]

101. I've had more or less the same experience

Only in reverse.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

7. Oh yes!

[Cali_Democrat]

8. Wait...wuh? Hillary supporters changed your mind?

Hillary supporters told you to vote Bernie?

LOL

[WillyT]

11. No... It's Mre That That... But You Knew That, Right ???

Good luck.

[yeoman6987]

14. Actually by their behavior they did

[hrmjustin]

16. And what did we do?

[CreekDog]

20. Not sure, but if he doesn't blame the supporters for his decision

He'll have to post that items in Bernie's platform that he supports.

Which may not square so well with what he's supported here lately.

[AgingAmerican]

75. My guess

Is all the attempts at smearing him with vague strawmen.

[hrmjustin]

76. I did not smear him.

I asked a question.

[AgingAmerican]

77. And I answered it

nt

[hrmjustin]

78. Fair enough and it interesting that it is not only HRC ssupporters who are challenging him.

[AgingAmerican]

79. True

The corporate MSM is trying to do it too. The strawmen smears however come mostly from Hillary's supporters.

[hrmjustin]

80. We disagree and we can just leave it at that.

Cheers.

[Mother Of Four]

93. Just wanted to pop in and say thanks..

I'm a Bernie supporter, but I've always seen you be a pretty nice person. I appreciate it, and I'm sure tons of others do too. Luck to yours, luck to mine

[hrmjustin]

99. You are very kind and thank you so much.

[Kalidurga]

17. Do you mean when they couldn't back up their insinuations and accusations with facts?

If that's the case it's a pretty sound reason even if some people say it's just a message board and their behavior shouldn't sway you. But, if it's because some have been rude, I wouldn't switch on that account.

[CreekDog]

19. !

[FSogol]

60. LOL, HRC supporters have orbital mind-control lasers!

[Bonobo]

9. That's as stupid a reason when we say is as when they say it.

Admittedly, this is the first such post I have seen from from our side and I have seen at least 3 Hillary supporters saying they made up their minds because of Sanders supporters (supposedly intelligent DU'ers too!).

Still, it is as stupid when we say it as when they do.

Don't let DU'ers behavior influence your decision.

[davidpdx]

35. I have to strongly agree with you on this one

I have been critical of Hillary Clinton supporters that are using that excuse and find it equally ludicrous that a Sanders supporter would do the same.

[hrmjustin]

10. Good luck with your candidate.

[CreekDog]

18. I don't think you agree with him or her, frankly.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=893786

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=3613004

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025896715

do you actually support either's positions?

[yeoman6987]

21. You repeated one. So I would fix it

I know you are a Hillary supporter so of course you are going to try and get my vote. Bernies got mine. Too late.

[Agschmid]

23. No one is trying to get your vote...

It's just that *your vote*...

But I agree those three posts certainly don't mess with the candidate I am supporting, maybe read up on Bernie's platform/positions since my and his opinion don't jive with what has been yours.

[Kingofalldems]

32. So what is Bernie Sanders position on Amtrak?

Bet he is a supporter and probably wants to expand. In contrast, you seem to want to abolish federal subsidies, as Creekdog's link to your own post proves.

[freshwest]

100. Bernie has revealed the Koch plan: sell the railways and interstate to private owners.

Why anyone would advocate to privatize it on a Democratic board is beyond me. Except the Koch propaganda is pervasive.

[Agschmid]

24. Good finds.

[JI7]

25. He also had a problem with me criticizing bush for the war in Iraq

[Cha]

91. I know ... that's just crazy stuff.

[Kingofalldems]

30. Boom.

Seems quite republicanish to me. But that's just me.

[davidpdx]

37. You DO realize that several Hillary Clinton supporters have done the same thing

And I have been equally as critical of the OP as I have for Clinton supporters doing the same. See post #35.

[Kingofalldems]

64. Done what? Been against the minimum wage?

Amtrak funding? That's what my post was about.

[CreekDog]

83. can you name one supporter that is against federal funding for Amtrak?

It would be pretty hard to do for either candidate, especially the more liberal one, but alas, this one...

[davidpdx]

90. I mistook the OP, I thought the person said they were supporting Sanders because of what Clinton

supporters said. Obviously that wasn't the case.

[geek tragedy]

67. you missed a spot

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1131254

[Kingofalldems]

69. Telling.

Thread now a train wreck.

[Kingofalldems]

28. I don't believe that for one second.

Don't think you support any Democrat, period.

[blm]

65. Usually plays right up to the line. Anti-union, anti-Dem, anti-Obama and now for Bernie….

gee…wonder what the name of the game is? Cuz it sure ain't real Bernie support.

[jwirr]

31. Welcome.

[Agschmid]

41. Re-think your welcome... do a little research on this poster.

It's likely you might not want him on our team.

[BrotherIvan]

49. I'm not sure "our" is the correct word

[Agschmid]

54. Well if you are a Bernie support it is.

[BrotherIvan]

81. I am

I count two "stealth" supporters all over this thread. It's ironic. One more vote for Bernie, misguided or no, makes no difference to me or to most Bernie supporters. I don't understand why people don't just support who they wish to or keep mum about it if they wish to. Feigning support is just silly.

[Agschmid]

88. Yes it is silly, and a waste of time.

[BrotherIvan]

89. Ok...

*backs away slowly*

[Cha]

94. Evidently he doesn't think you support Bernie strong enough.

[hrmjustin]

34. You are claiming that we Hillary supporters changed your mind today but what said what...

...exactly was the catalyst. Can you please eloborate what we did?

And no i am not trying to get you to change but I am curious why you are saying this.

[CreekDog]

45. It's interesting your reasoning for supporting Bernie instead of Hillary

your reason being that you support his position on having different supporters.

of course, if he's going to win the nomination, you realize that the supporters you don't like are going to have to become his supporters.

like many things here, you have not thought this one through.

[BrotherIvan]

51. If you support his positions, great

He is the best candidate running right now. And even if you don't agree with everything he stands for, he is still honest and forthright enough to respect his opinions.

[RandiFan1290]

55. Cool story, bro

I don't think I've EVER seen you post a liberal opinion here.

[Kingofalldems]

87. You win the thread.

[Cha]

95. LOL! I know, huh.. and he's blaming Hillary supporters for making him support Sanders. Maybe

it was Hillary supporters who were calling him out on his bs anti union posts, and his anti-Amtrak comment.

[blm]

103. EXACTLY!

.

[NCTraveler]

58. Cool story bro.

But you won't find many Sanders or Hillary supporters who will embrace your anti-union rhetoric. You will be a soul of one in a sea of union support.

[Stellar]

59. I prefer Bernie - - - but will gladly vote for Hillary if she's the last person standing. nt

[kenfrequed]

61. I support Bernie

But this thread is kind of flame-bait and attracts attention off of the issues.

It is entirely too meta for my tastes. I don't like it when Hillary people make these kinds of claims either.

We should stick to discussing the issues because that is where is where Bernie is clearly and obviously the better candidate.

[FSogol]

62. Translation: Whaaaaa, I'm going to vote for someone else and it's all your fault!

[Cha]

96. rofl!

[Capt. Obvious]

63. It seems you haven't really learned how to do this kind of thread

You need a slow burn: multiple threads scolding Hillary supporters for their behavior and how they're hurting their candidate. They need to be as condescending and finger wagging as possible.

Then you get to post the thread where they finally forced your hand with their behavior and finish with a long winded, "Are you happy now?"

[geek tragedy]

68. Not buying it, maybe Jim Webb with your posting history, not Bernie though nt

[Kingofalldems]

73. Based on posting history I'll go with Walker.

[blm]

102. That would be my bet - Walker or Bush.

.

[Sheepshank]

74. totally jelly

that you can be persuaded to vote based on Hillary supporters words. My voting requirements are a tad more multi dimensional than that. Some people have decision making abilities that are less.....complex.

[sabrina 1]

92. Good for you. He really is the best hope for this country ...

[merrily]

98. As a Sanders supporter, I beg you: do not choose a candidate based on who supports any candidate or

how. If fortune should bless you and your candidate end up in the Oval Office, it won't be his or her supporters with the nuclear codes or the veto pen or the bully pulpit or whatever.

I'd say, ignore campaign rhetoric, too.

Choose based only on the record of the candidates. Chafee, Clinton, O'Malley, Sanders and Webb all have long records Go by the totality of their respective records.