2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumIn June of 2004 Kerry was leading Bush by 6-points in a Gallup Poll
http://www.gallup.com/poll/110548/gallup-presidential-election-trialheat-trends-19362004.aspxThe last time an incumbent president was up for election. Kerry also led in July before Bush generally had a small advantage in Gallup up until the election. So, I think the national polls in May, June & July (such as that NY Times bull poll) are not generally barometers as to who will win. I think polls after the conventions and debates will be more conclusive.
cindyperry2010
(846 posts)electoral college delegate count maps is all that is important
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched To Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html
crazylikafox
(2,763 posts)If we let it be close enough to steal, they will. Already started with voter suppression. GOTV!
Botany
(70,635 posts)onehandle
(51,122 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,452 posts)AT THE WHITE HOUSE? How outrageous!!!!
Botany
(70,635 posts)Early in the day Ohio, Florida, and a bunch of other states had all been going for
Kerry and it was going to be a landslide in the electoral college but then Rove,
Smartech, Blackwell, and others got busy.
I worked that election in Ohio that day .... it still haunts me.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,452 posts)Hadn't heard that story (probably for obvious reasons). I remember that things had initially looked positive for Kerry but as the evening wore on and the election seemed to be turning on Ohio, I saw the handwriting on the wall, which was just confirmed the next morning when Kerry conceded. *ugh*
O.k., so that's even worse. They weren't campaigning in the WH, they were busy stealing the election (again).
Botany
(70,635 posts).... and W just laughed. The Ohio vote was going to be shipped to a computer in Chattanooga,
Tennessee that evening where it was going to be worked on to make sure that it turned out
right because despite all the voter suppression and other dirty tricks Kerry was still going to
win the state so that was Rove's firewall. The I.T. man who ran that little scam Michael Connell
died in a very neat little private plane crash in Dec. of 2008.
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Karl_Roves_IT_guru_Mike_Connell_1220.html
Nye Bevan
(25,406 posts)If I was the IT guy who stole an election, I would expect $25 million in a Cayman Islands bank account. Not to be killed off in a plane crash.
Botany
(70,635 posts)... were evil people. He also had control over the private White House emails and was
in line to give testimony about them. He had death threats before and two times he did
fly his plane because he felt something was wrong w/ it. I know a couple of attorneys
who were trying to find out about what happen in Ohio 2004 and they were aware of the
death threats too.
The media knows about all of this but will not touch Ohio 2004 for some reason or another.
Final exit polls CNN 1:07 AM 11/3/04
Ohio Male Voters 47% bush 49.5% Kerry
Female Voters 47% bush 51% Kerry
After this CNN started to post "blended polls" which mixed the exit polls and the voting results.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)will there be. Never before has voter registration been so important. The R's have already shaved several percentage points in key states!
SheilaT
(23,156 posts)John Zogby, the pollster, said on some show (The Daily show maybe) when asked who was going to win, absolutely without hesitation said John Kerry. I was very disappointed that he did not come out afterwards to talk about why he was wrong -- which he wasn't. It's clear to all of us that the election was stolen that year.
JaneQPublic
(7,113 posts)...has often been said to tip the undecideds in Bush's favor. Apparently, a little gibberish from
Al Qaeda was all it took to convince some people that there was validity in the GOP ads with the wolves circling the door. Idiots.