So, have we all finally agreed that the election was infiltrated by Russians and the FBI

[boston bean]

and that is why Trump is PEEOTUS?

and that it wasn't because democrats ignored white people.

[Chasstev365]

1. Yes; I have enough evidence that I agree with you!

How do we wake up this country?

[JI7]

11. the thing is most of the country agrees with the op. trump is very unpopular

[Amaryllis]

2. It was also becasue Repubs did all they could to steal it with voter suppression and the usual

shenanigans that they used to steal 2000 and 2004 .
I think This is why they didn't let Garland have a hearing even though from the polls it looked like Hillary would win; they knew it was in the bag. It wasn't just Russian collusion; there was enough other shenanigans going on even without that to seriously impact the election. They have stolen three out of the past five presidential elections.

See Greg Palast:
http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

The Election was Stolen – Here’s How…
Friday, November 11, 2016
"Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives."

[boston bean]

5. That is the truth, although I don't rely on greg palast. There is enough evidence for it to be

quite evident that it is the case that voter suppression cost Hillary millions of votes.

[baldguy]

3. Depends on what the "I'm the other guy you should have voted for" has to say.

He hasn't finished his not-a-victory tour bashing Democrats and the Democratic Party.

[Lint Head]

4. The circumstantial evidence is now 100%.

[uponit7771]

6. Nah... Let's continue to argue about the white working class and shit /sarcasm

[cliffside]

26. Let's continue to divide people by color ...

or age etc, guess that puts everything into place??? It has been going on for well over a year.

Before the hack posted as slipslidingaway, but became so tired of the constant divide on DU that I barely check in anymore. I am not going to part of the hate.

[uponit7771]

31. Human behavior SCIENCE... that aint gonna stop... that's NOT how humans act... PERIOD.

When it comes to how a majority race culture in any society thinks yes... yes it does put things into place.

Humans are tribal, that's a fact not in dispute

That doesn't mean we let tribalism KingCon pushes divide us but to claim "it shouldn't" or "it doesn't" matter is denying reality to a degree no?

tia

[Wellstone ruled]

7. There was stories

about opposition moles in the DNC office. Though by now,we would have names and Pic's.

[Gothmog]

8. Trump is not the legitimate president

[triron]

9. ditto

Need bumper stickers saying that and more.

[JI7]

10. Yes. that's why she won the popular vote by such a huge amount

She really did have the lead until putin and his trolls like comey got involved.

[George II]

14. At one point the night of November 8, sometime between 9 and 10 Eastern time, Clinton...

...was comfortably ahead in North Carolina, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, basically even in Florida and not far behind in Ohio. Then in the space of about an hour the tallies in all five states flipped to put Don of Orange ahead in all of them. It didn't take long and the votes were "changed" (buggered up) before anyone knew what was happening.

[triron]

20. I think it started happening about

the time DU went down. Hillary had a 97% chance of winning Florida according to Predictwise about that time.

[LenaBaby61]

28. At one point the night of November 8, sometime between 9 and 10 Eastern time, Clinton...

Excellent post

As you rightfully said, Hillary WAS ahead in many of these states, and I believe later on in the evening one newspaper in Michigan called it FOR Hillary, and then there was NOTHING from that newspaper for the rest of the evening. Same goes for the other states you rightfully speak of where her leads just disappeared out of nowhere. You mean ALL of the pollsters were wrong? The Los Angeles Times poll got it right, given how ridiculous their voter methodology was?

GOP voter suppression/voter disenfranchisement, cross-checking, purging huge Democratic data bases and I'm pretty sure the ruskies somehow decreased and increased "just enough" votes across a few "specific" states of a cyber-hacking nature to give that orange anus the presidency.

Yes, something definitely went WRONG on election night, just as it did with that coordinated effort in Ohio in 2004 between Kenneth Blackwell & Diebold.

[pnwmom]

15. And maybe she really did have the lead. Florida has electronic voting machines

with no paper trails, and they have 29 electoral votes. She would only have needed 9 more from a another state to beat him.

[cigsandcoffee]

17. I voted in Florida with a paper ballot. nt

[pnwmom]

18. Many part of the state use electronic, including some of the most Democratic areas.

Ballot machines by state -- Florida uses both paper ballots and machines without a paper trail.

https://ballotpedia.org/Voting_methods_and_equipment_by_state

[get the red out]

12. Absolutely

But I still hate the far right media that has certainly aided and abetted this horror story.

[ismnotwasm]

13. God I hope so

Sick of that shit.

[LaydeeBug]

16. Or bathrooms...

because we weren't just infiltrated...we were HACKED

[triron]

19. Mathematical analysis

supports the hacking conclusion
http://www.cpegonline.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/12/Unexplained-Patterns-in-2016-and-Earlier-U.S.-Elections.pdf

[LaydeeBug]

21. kick

[triron]

22. knr

[aikoaiko]

23. Nope. It appears that Russians hacked and the FBI broke protocol so close to the GE...

...but its not clear if those events cost us the election in some key states.

I understand your opinion that it was the sole reason, but there just isn't enough evidence to say those actions, and only those actions, led to the GE loss.

[Hassin Bin Sober]

24. The thing that sucks about such a razor thin loss is there are probably a dozen things .....

.... that may have made the difference if they broke or were handled another way.




"For the want of a shoe the horse was lost, For the want of a horse the rider was lost, For the want of a rider the battle was lost, For the want of a battle the kingdom was lost, And all for the want of a horseshoe-nail.”

[Garrett78]

34. Maybe not a dozen, but yes, any *one* of numerous factors could have been the difference.

Including media coverage, Comey, Russia, the Clinton campaign not spending enough time in certain states, voter suppression, etc.

[JCanete]

25. No. if they hacked the machines, yes. And if Trump committed treason, then I hope we throw the book

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at him, but even our own party wont try, and it will still have had little to do with his win.

But American media, from television, to internet to talk radio did do so. Why does anybody believe that some fake news and some Wikileaks have the power to do this without the preponderance of consent evidenced in our own corporate messaging?

In an alternate universe where we have an actual fourth estate, there is no way 46 percent of the voting public votes in a man like Trump. For that matter, there's no way that only 56 percent of eligible voters vote, due to condoned abdication, disaffection, voter purging, election tampering, etc... You want to hand wring about a couple percent of the vote(which if stolen was still only made possible by our media here), that's fine, but that is missing the big con again.

What's sad is that this is the story Democrats want to focus on. Don't get me wrong. We should damage Trump where we can and make him look illegitimate. He is by my own metric. I'm down for that, so it's not like I don't appreciate hanging Putin's loving arms around his neck, even if all we get out of it is to make the Don look shitty, but i'm not particularly okay with our leaders helping to distract us from the shit that just lost them--US-- another election, and is going to continue to lose us elections until we start fighting back. I have a very real fear that even when we lose, our leadership would rather us not see behind the curtain to the mechanisms that delivered that loss, and that's pretty disheartening.

[Starry Messenger]

27. I have some holdouts on my social media.

Hopefully they will slow fade soon.

[NanceGreggs]

29. Uh, no.

There are still those who believe these obstacles were mere inconveniences that the "right candidate" would have overcome, and gone on to a landslide victory.

They'll never stop autopsying the dead horse, trying to determine why it didn't cross the finish-line despite being shot-at by Russian snipers, and having its legs broken by Comey as it rounded the last curve.

[uponit7771]

32. +1, "... well dammit, any other horse would've used it tail to win the election !" / sarcasm

[Hassin Bin Sober]

36. 59% unfavorable ratings among registered voters.

[R B Garr]

37. GOP Congress-led investigations fully admitted to drive her poll numbers down. Sander's smears

nonstop during the primary. Now look what we have.

[UCmeNdc]

30. Yes

Now let us have a full investigation.

[doc03]

33. I have my doubts about any voting machine hacking. I am convinced that

the Trump campaign colluded with the Russians just because of all the Russian connections with
people in his campaign.

[etherealtruth]

35. I believed it from the get go ... I would just FBI/Comey to the list

[ElementaryPenguin]

38. Yes.

[jmg257]

39. Not totally, no.

Russia did not cause enough interference/BS to get Trump elected all by themselves.

Comey's statement was certainly a big impact that sealed the deal for many people, who were still trying to make up their minds.

It is not because democrats ignored white people.


Almost 63 MILLION people voted for trump - for whatever reasons. Not going to be easy to just poo poo his support for nefarious reasons alone.