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The election was bogus and should be annulled. (Original Post) randr Jan 2017 OP
I don't think there is a mechanism to achieve that, madaboutharry Jan 2017 #1
Putting traitors in jail would do just that uponit7771 Jan 2017 #44
This is what bothers me most about this whole mess. Laurian Jan 2017 #2
Agreed BadgerMom Jan 2017 #4
I agree with you 100%. hamsterjill Jan 2017 #12
+1, we're more informed than the MoC !!!! uponit7771 Jan 2017 #45
No Doubt colsohlibgal Jan 2017 #3
I agree and 2naSalit Jan 2017 #5
Read your damned US Constitution! longship Jan 2017 #6
What does the constitution say about Control-Z Jan 2017 #8
There was an actual legal claim based on actual Constitutional provisions before them onenote Jan 2017 #9
And it pisses me off that no Democrat has filed a case randr Jan 2017 #14
I can't believe that if enough people demanded it Control-Z Jan 2017 #16
Someone should start an on-line petition. EL34x4 Jan 2017 #31
are you pissed at yourself? onenote Jan 2017 #23
Not one word. nt longship Jan 2017 #13
Why do people keep writing stupid stuff like this? DaleFromWPB Jan 2017 #7
Because magical thinking is so much easier onenote Jan 2017 #10
simmer down newbie MFM008 Jan 2017 #11
Well I for one wish Obama would triron Jan 2017 #15
If he did, he would be impeached. Correctly. Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #18
He could order the Congress dissolved and Yupster Jan 2017 #33
By good I guess you mean sarisataka Jan 2017 #35
He could try zipplewrath Jan 2017 #47
what do you think "martial law" is? onenote Jan 2017 #19
At least they didn't say Marshall Law? Ace Rothstein Jan 2017 #43
Agreed MFM008 Jan 2017 #21
What a rethuglican idea. Splendid. Let's become that which we profess to hate... dionysus Jan 2017 #25
To ask this president to become a tyrant is just ... odd. Not Democratic. Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #37
I agree, but there's no way to do it. Vinca Jan 2017 #17
the only way this happens is if we demand new elections in the streets. Takket Jan 2017 #20
and how do you think that's going to result in new elections? onenote Jan 2017 #22
Look at Egypt Takket Jan 2017 #30
Obama needs to declare martial law for starters triron Jan 2017 #24
Yes, let Obama make himself a clown just as he is aboit to leave office dionysus Jan 2017 #26
Why do you want the first African American president to fix the stupidity and evil underthematrix Jan 2017 #27
Thank you. You expressed my gut reaction over all these types of demands. Yo_Mama Jan 2017 #38
And thank you back underthematrix Jan 2017 #40
No one would respond to him if he did, he would be ignored if he tried something so silly, and then braddy Jan 2017 #28
What a stupid, unconstitutional idea! For starters! longship Jan 2017 #29
Yeah melman Jan 2017 #32
This would make an interesting alternative history novel Yupster Jan 2017 #34
The only way to save the country sarisataka Jan 2017 #36
Oh yes - THAT would go over big! Just like asses who watch Fox news for 8 years have said... jmg257 Jan 2017 #48
We'd need to shut the country down flamingdem Jan 2017 #39
Best chance is to stop spending if only for a few days. randr Jan 2017 #41
It was a Putin Stealth Voter Bomber Attack and it worked. We are stucksky. kairos12 Jan 2017 #42
knr triron Jan 2017 #46

Laurian

(2,593 posts)
2. This is what bothers me most about this whole mess.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 03:56 PM
Jan 2017

Nobody.......absolutely nobody in this government has stood up to this egregious assault on the very foundation of our democracy.

It's like, "Oh well, guess Trump won."

No! He didn't! I've felt strongly since election night that the election was subverted. I don't think I can ever be convinced otherwise.

BadgerMom

(2,770 posts)
4. Agreed
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:13 PM
Jan 2017

I felt it that night but as usual, we were supposed to be polite. Couldn't state my strong feelings aloud. But I can't rid myself of them.

hamsterjill

(15,220 posts)
12. I agree with you 100%.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:20 PM
Jan 2017

I keep waiting...keep hoping, but it never happens.

John Lewis has voiced the concern that Trump is not a legitimate President. Well, helloooo!!!!

I don't pretend to know WTF happened on election night, but like you, I don't think I will ever be convinced that SOMETHING didn't happen.

colsohlibgal

(5,275 posts)
3. No Doubt
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:05 PM
Jan 2017

So was 2000 and 2004. And more.

Why so many are so blasé about this mystifies me. It iis undercutting our democracy....and proving Joe Stalin's point that the power does not lie with the voters it lies with who counts the votes.

longship

(40,416 posts)
6. Read your damned US Constitution!
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:34 PM
Jan 2017

How does one annul a presidential election?

There are two ways.

1. Impeachment in the US House of Representatives followed by conviction by 2/3 majority in the US Senate presided by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.

2. The President being found incapacitated or otherwise incapable of serving in office by a majority of executive department officers (his cabinet). This is per the 25th Amendment of the US Constitution.

That's it. Either way, if it succeeds we'd get President Pence.

The election was certified by both the electoral college and the US Senate. Claiming the election was bogus is therefore a non-operative claim.

Sorry. There are no presidential election do-overs under our constitution.

onenote

(42,692 posts)
9. There was an actual legal claim based on actual Constitutional provisions before them
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:12 PM
Jan 2017

They got the answer wrong, but they were deciding a case that had worked its way to them through the court system. Quite a leap from that to "annulling" an election.

randr

(12,409 posts)
14. And it pisses me off that no Democrat has filed a case
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:41 PM
Jan 2017

Win or lose, I know the RNC would have had a case filed if the tables were reversed.
I know there is no Constitutional solution.
I know we left the Constitution behind long ago.
It is not "magical thinking" to express what I believe to be true.
It is magical thinking to believe the system will fix itself.

Control-Z

(15,682 posts)
16. I can't believe that if enough people demanded it
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jan 2017

we couldn't stop this presidency. If I had more than 4 followers on Twitter I would try to get #do-over or #electiondo-over or #stoptheinauguration or something trending. Anything that would give millions a voice to try and stop this madness.

I don't want to hear one more person say it's stupid or magical thinking. Doing nothing is worse and I'm beginning to question the motives of anyone who tries to shut us up with a giant stinky lecture about what we can't do.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
31. Someone should start an on-line petition.
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 09:36 AM
Jan 2017

Or a GoFundMe account.

Don't just sit there. Do something!

onenote

(42,692 posts)
23. are you pissed at yourself?
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 01:01 AM
Jan 2017

Go file a case.

And stop complaining about people who aren't wasting time on lawsuits that will be dismissed, handing victories to Trump that he will cite in an effort to normalize his presidency in some people's minds.


 

DaleFromWPB

(76 posts)
7. Why do people keep writing stupid stuff like this?
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 04:37 PM
Jan 2017

There is no provision to annul an election
There is no mechanism for a do-over (other than waiting four years)
There is no way to disqualify a candidate
The Supreme court can order a new election
President Obama can't impose martial law to postpone the inauguration
It doesn't matter how many 'likes' you get or signatures on a petition.

There is no way to invalidate the results just because we don't like them ....
Doesn't matter what Russia did
Doesn't matter what Dir Comey did
Doesn't matter about voting irregularities
Doesn't matter what Trump said or did

Let's start organizing and getting progressive candidates on the ballot for every office in every city, county, and state!

onenote

(42,692 posts)
10. Because magical thinking is so much easier
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:13 PM
Jan 2017

than doing the hard work of trying to elect people or fight legislation.

MFM008

(19,804 posts)
11. simmer down newbie
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:17 PM
Jan 2017

Most of us know this already.
I wont stop any of us from saying stuff that is highly unlikely to happen.
I keep hoping they find the maggot like "fat Tony" Scalia.......
probably not going to happen but it could.
The WISHING of it isnt going to stop me from doing anything about
organizing or what you said.
Sometimes magical thinking can work.

triron

(21,995 posts)
15. Well I for one wish Obama would
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 05:56 PM
Jan 2017

declare martial law indefinitely. Don't give a damn about repukes reaction.
The POS that was "elected" is a lying conman, clown and probably belongs in prison (treason) rather than the white house.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
18. If he did, he would be impeached. Correctly.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 07:14 PM
Jan 2017

Everyone, including the SC, would be against him.

And the result would be a backlash against Democrats. The voters of the US will not accept a party that won't accept the voters, period.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
33. He could order the Congress dissolved and
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 02:50 PM
Jan 2017

arrest anyone who doesn't disperse.

This is just one of my many good ideas.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
47. He could try
Sun Jan 15, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

No one would obey that order. They are co-equal branches. He has no authority over congress at all.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
37. To ask this president to become a tyrant is just ... odd. Not Democratic.
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:24 PM
Jan 2017

I'm wrestling with my own anger over this. I don't think these posters mean it this way, but something in my subconscious says that they are shifting the blame to President Obama. Blame that does not belong to him.

He had to be the president during this election. We did not. We could get out there, vote, contribute, canvas, etc. He had to be president.

He's the President of the United States, not some comic book superhero who unaccountably isn't heeding our cries for action. Cut the man a break.

underthematrix

(5,811 posts)
27. Why do you want the first African American president to fix the stupidity and evil
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:50 AM
Jan 2017

of angry white America and the Russians and others inside and outside the US govt who are responsible for this coup?

I want my beloved President to do what he gotta do which is attend the coup ceremony on Jan 20th. That's it.

I'd rather suffer horribly even death rather have my precious President fix this shitstorm.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
38. Thank you. You expressed my gut reaction over all these types of demands.
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:25 PM
Jan 2017

We voters had one job to do. We fucked it up, collectively.

The President of the United States has had HIS job to do. He's done it and is doing it.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
28. No one would respond to him if he did, he would be ignored if he tried something so silly, and then
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:02 AM
Jan 2017

a few days later the inauguration would take place anyway.

longship

(40,416 posts)
29. What a stupid, unconstitutional idea! For starters!
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 08:45 AM
Jan 2017

I have an idea!!!!! Let's plunge the USA into a likely civil war!!!!!

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
34. This would make an interesting alternative history novel
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 02:52 PM
Jan 2017

I wonder how it would end up?

Civil War?
Obama arrested?
A military coup?

sarisataka

(18,598 posts)
36. The only way to save the country
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 03:14 PM
Jan 2017

and Constitution is to destroy them and create a dictatorship...

No thanks.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
48. Oh yes - THAT would go over big! Just like asses who watch Fox news for 8 years have said...
Mon Jan 16, 2017, 04:12 PM
Jan 2017

President Obama just declares the military take over.

"Martial law is the imposition of the highest-ranking military officer as the military governor or as the head of the government, thus removing all power from the previous executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government"

Habeas corpus suspended.

Sounds fun!!

flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
39. We'd need to shut the country down
Sat Jan 14, 2017, 04:20 PM
Jan 2017

Now we can see that it's an error not to be in a state of constant readiness

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