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pbmus

(12,418 posts)
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 01:41 AM Jan 2017

If you want to know why, here goes....

Last edited Sat Jan 7, 2017, 08:17 PM - Edit history (1)

From the fb comments on this story, Not my research but someone named Stacey Porter

http://www.rawstory.com/2017/01/russia-i-didnt-say-anything-about-russia-internet-mocks-trumps-post-briefing-statement/

If you want to know why, Here goes

1) Trump owes Blackstone/ Bayrock group $560 million dollars (one of his largest debtors and the primary reason he won't reveal his tax returns)

2) Blackstone is owned wholly by Russian billionaires, who owe their position to Putin and have made billions from their work with the Russian government.

3) Other companies that have borrowed from Blackstone have claimed that owing money to them is like owing to the Russian mob and while you owe them, they own you for many favors.

4) The Russian economy is badly faltering under the weight of its over-dependence on raw materials which as you know have plummeted in the last 2 years leaving the Russian economy scrambling to pay its debts.

5) Russia has an impetus to influence our election to ensure the per barrel oil prices are above $65 ( they are currently hovering around $50)

6) Russia can't affordably get at 80% of its oil reserves and reduce its per barrel cost to compete with America at $45 or Saudi Arabia at $39. With Iranian sanctions being lifted Russia will find another inexpensive competitor increasing production and pushing Russia further down the list of suppliers.
As for Iranian sanctions, the 6 countries lifting them allowing Iran to collect on the billions it is owed for pumping oil but not being paid for it. These billions Iran can only get if the Iranian nuclear deal is signed. Trump spoke of ending the deals which would cause oil sales sanctions to be reimposed, which would make Russian oil more competitive.

7) Rex Tillerson (Trump's pick for Secretary of State) is the head of ExxonMobil, which is in possession of patented technology that could help Putin extract 45% more oil at a significant cost savings to Russia, helping Putin put money in the Russian coffers to help reconstitute its military and finally afford to mass produce the new and improved systems that it had invented before the Russian economy had slowed so much.

8) Putin cannot get access to these new cost saving technologies OR outside oil field development money, due to US sanctions on Russia, because of its involvement in Ukrainian civil war.

9) Look for Trump to end sanctions on Russia and to back out of the Iranian nuclear deal, to help Russia rebuild its economy, strengthen Putin and make Tillerson and Trump even richer, thus allowing Trump to satisfy his creditors at Blackstone.

10) With Trump's fabricated hatred of NATO and the U.N., the Russian military reconstituted, the threat to the Baltic states is real. Russia retaking their access to the Baltic Sea from Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia and threatening the shipping of millions of cubic feet of natural gas to lower Europe from Scandinavia, would allow Russia to make a good case for its oil and gas being piped into eastern Europe.

Sources: Time Magazine, NY Times, The Atlantic, The Guardian UK.
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If you want to know why, here goes.... (Original Post) pbmus Jan 2017 OP
Thanks for compiling all of that 2naSalit Jan 2017 #1
If even half of this is true, the Intelligence Community would have to know this as well. Why would politicaljunkie41910 Jan 2017 #23
Impeachment for 'high crimes and misdemeanors' proceeds... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #26
Blackstone? The same Blackstone HQ'd in NYC and started by two ex-Lehman guys? if... TreasonousBastard Jan 2017 #2
I think it may be two different things radical noodle Jan 2017 #3
My first thought as well. Lucky Luciano Jan 2017 #18
This message was self-deleted by its author GeoWilliam750 Jan 2017 #33
Thanks pbmus. Bookmarking. oasis Jan 2017 #4
Thankss for the heads up. Wellstone ruled Jan 2017 #5
Frighteningly plausible conspiracy. No wonder Trump is downplaying BREMPRO Jan 2017 #6
This message was self-deleted by its author pbmus Jan 2017 #7
The end game for Russia is establishing the sale of oil and gas pbmus Jan 2017 #13
We need to call our representative's offices... Blanks Jan 2017 #31
Excellent analysis. colorado_ufo Jan 2017 #8
K&R zentrum Jan 2017 #9
And so we begin as the new SSA (Subservient States of America) world wide wally Jan 2017 #10
K & R Oldtimeralso Jan 2017 #11
Pretty logical... Wounded Bear Jan 2017 #12
Oil (again!) and billionaires Generator Jan 2017 #14
Excellent work! Bill USA Jan 2017 #15
k and r and thanks for this truly depressing information. niyad Jan 2017 #16
We all know why he is kissing Putin ass... pbmus Jan 2017 #17
What's the first thing detectives look for... Jacob Boehme Jan 2017 #19
Bookmarked Generic Other Jan 2017 #20
We all are, it is so obvious now.. pbmus Jan 2017 #21
K n r Achilleaze Jan 2017 #22
Thank you for posting. I never thought Trump WANTED to run for President. Tatiana Jan 2017 #24
In a criminal inquiry by the government... yallerdawg Jan 2017 #28
You may be correct. Tatiana Jan 2017 #29
Bookmarked. FailureToCommunicate Jan 2017 #25
Very good, and all of it make sense mountain grammy Jan 2017 #27
Welcome to Cold War II. tclambert Jan 2017 #30
This might be helpful... orangecrush Jan 2017 #32
K & R Scurrilous Jan 2017 #34
More from the Financial Times GeoWilliam750 Jan 2017 #35

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
23. If even half of this is true, the Intelligence Community would have to know this as well. Why would
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 09:18 PM
Jan 2017

they allow this pussy grabbing traitor to conceal his motives and actions regarding Putin and the Russians? If this is true and we were talking about Barrack Obama instead of Donald Trump, the "American flag wearing on their lapels" Republicans and their ilk would be surrounding the White House and ready to convict him and hang him without any further confirmation. So either all those media sources mentioned are ALL lying or the Intelligence Community are covering up for a traitor who hasn't even been sworn in yet. I think the American public deserve to know whether or not the pussy grabbing if-he's-talking-he's-LYING president-elect has already sold out this nation because he's up to his eyeballs in debt to the equivalent of the Russian Mob and we can expect this type of bow down behavior to continue to save his debt-laden empire. If the Intelligence Community knows, than President Obama probably knows and he needs to tell us NOW. The peaceful transition of power be DAMNED. The American people deserve to know the truth before he can do this nation any more harm.

We all need to write the White House and demand to know the truth. We've got less than 13 days. We should be asking every GOP congressman how they feel about the leader of their party being in debt up to his eyeballs to Russian Oligarchs, therefore, this is the reason he is willing to do the Kremlin's bidding for them, at our nation's expense.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
26. Impeachment for 'high crimes and misdemeanors' proceeds...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 10:01 PM
Jan 2017

Day One after the inauguration per US Constitution, the same document that got us into this mess.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
2. Blackstone? The same Blackstone HQ'd in NYC and started by two ex-Lehman guys? if...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:02 AM
Jan 2017

that's how this story starts, it's got a lot of problems.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
3. I think it may be two different things
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 02:11 AM
Jan 2017

Blackstone in NYC is investment funds and hedge funds. Bayrock has a stake in Trump's Soho Building. With all the intermingling of money these days, it's sometimes impossible to unravel without a lot more facts.

I've heard bits and pieces of this before, but not compiled so nicely. Thanks to the OP!

Lucky Luciano

(11,242 posts)
18. My first thought as well.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 07:51 PM
Jan 2017

I think Steven Schwartzman is going to be deeply disappointed that he is not controlling Blackstone.

Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #2)

BREMPRO

(2,331 posts)
6. Frighteningly plausible conspiracy. No wonder Trump is downplaying
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 03:15 AM
Jan 2017

Russian hacking and motives. This deserves "Benghazi" equivalent investigation. What are the chances the rapid corrupt Republican Congress will do that? 0.001 I'm afraid. Still hope.

Response to BREMPRO (Reply #6)

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
31. We need to call our representative's offices...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 11:33 PM
Jan 2017

And tell them, that there is too much information out there tying Trump to the Russians. If our senators/representatives don't call him out on it, when the shit hits the fan, they will be implicated too.

In on the conspiracy.

Jacob Boehme

(789 posts)
19. What's the first thing detectives look for...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 08:13 PM
Jan 2017
.... when trying to ID a perpetrator? Means, motive, and opportunity. Russia and its leader have all three.

And, tRump along with our aiding and abetting Congress are wholly complicit in this crime.

When, in God's name is justice going to prevail? I suspect never. The wheels will come off this Hell-bound Train and we'll all be left to fend for our own survival.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
24. Thank you for posting. I never thought Trump WANTED to run for President.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 09:28 PM
Jan 2017

I did, however, think he HAD to run for President. It was his last ditch effort to keep his house of debt from crumbling down on him. Most can infer that he hasn't released his tax returns because it would show how much he is indebted to Russian entities.

He literally is owned by Russia. And he is so narcissistic and egotistical that he would sell this country to an enemy in order to save his pathetic empire. He is a loathsome individual and I hope the members of the "deep government" and the CIA will take appropriate measures to protect us from this hostile foreign threat.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
28. In a criminal inquiry by the government...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 10:09 PM
Jan 2017

how many seconds would it take to get at the IRS documentation for his entire life?

If the IRS is sitting on records of 'high crimes and misdemeanors' one second after the jackass swears on the bible, we have a whole 'nother conspiracy.

I anticipate Corrupt Trump will end up an ugly blemish on this great experiment in democracy we call America.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
29. You may be correct.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 10:17 PM
Jan 2017

This is just a hunch, but I think the IRS documents are out there, in the hands of a few journalists. The problem is, do you wait until you have the evidence to connect all the dots or do you just put the information out there? We've seen Trump's ability to take hit after hit that would have knocked out any other candidate.

I do believe some enterprising reporters have a story bigger than Watergate on their hands. And I'm sure they're attempting to gather evidence to connect all the dots. Congress won't save us. We've been infiltrated at every level of government and political establishment. A revolt by the people and the publication of the unvarnished truth about how this happened (and what's been happening that led up to Trump's installation) is the only thing that will save us.

mountain grammy

(26,568 posts)
27. Very good, and all of it make sense
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 10:07 PM
Jan 2017

except that Russia also signed on to the Iran nuclear deal so I'm wondering why Putin did that?

tclambert

(11,080 posts)
30. Welcome to Cold War II.
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 11:05 PM
Jan 2017

World War I was so popular, people demanded sequel. Now it appears the Cold War will get its sequel. As Vladimir Putin says, "We're puttin' the band back together. We're on a mission from God."

orangecrush

(19,236 posts)
32. This might be helpful...
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 11:46 PM
Jan 2017

"Felix Sater is not a name that has come up much during the presidential campaign. That he has a colorful past is an understatement: The Russian-born Sater served a year in prison for stabbing a man in the face with a margarita glass during a bar fight, pleaded guilty to racketeering as part of a mafia-driven "pump-and-dump" stock fraud and then escaped jail time by becoming a highly valued government informant."

"He was also an important figure at Bayrock, a development company and key Trump real estate partner during the 2000s, notably with the Trump SoHo hotel-condominium in New York City, and has said under oath that he represented Trump in Russia and subsequently billed himself as a senior Trump advisor, with an office in Trump Tower."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardbehar/2016/10/03/donald-trump-and-the-felon-inside-his-business-dealings-with-a-mob-connected-hustler/#3141b3a11e02

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