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DanTex

(20,709 posts)
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:19 PM Jan 2017

Bernie Sanders points to Comey and Putin interventions as causes of election loss.

Just kidding. LOL. He's still peddling his "white working class" theory, based on the stunning victories of Zephyr Teachout and Russ Feingold. What's going on Bernie?

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Bernie Sanders points to Comey and Putin interventions as causes of election loss. (Original Post) DanTex Jan 2017 OP
Ha ha ha, you got me! LisaM Jan 2017 #1
The recent report is a moment for Sanders to drop his ego!! Dem senators not calling this a fair... uponit7771 Jan 2017 #2
Heehee! At first I thought your OP was from "The Onion" 'cause Sanders sure isn't talking about ... brush Jan 2017 #3
He needs to take a breath and read the intelligence report. DURHAM D Jan 2017 #4
Maddow's show was great tonight-Hope folks will listen to it once she puts up riversedge Jan 2017 #5
Trump lies about intelligence report on Russia easily spotted Gothmog Jan 2017 #7
Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton Gothmog Jan 2017 #6
also the pro free trade republicans did better than Trump JI7 Jan 2017 #10
.. CentralMass Jan 2017 #8
Haha! Of course he is.. lol Cha Jan 2017 #9
He said those were factors but not the ONLY factors. Enough of the denial. We LOST working people!! RBInMaine Jan 2017 #11
You got me too! BlueMTexpat Jan 2017 #12
"What's going on Bernie?" NCTraveler Jan 2017 #13
... NWCorona Jan 2017 #14
Maybe you let Sanders know that the primaries are over. baldguy Jan 2017 #20
That Explains ColoradoCare Loss Too! otohara Jan 2017 #15
got my hopes up there for a minute... boston bean Jan 2017 #16
Posting fake news is such a lame way to get people to look at your thread mtnsnake Jan 2017 #17
Bernie has also been talking about our corporate media, which is the actual cause for our loss, not JCanete Jan 2017 #18
The leaks from the illegal Russian hack of the DNC helped Sanders in the primaries baldguy Jan 2017 #19

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
2. The recent report is a moment for Sanders to drop his ego!! Dem senators not calling this a fair...
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jan 2017

... election but he is!?!?

Naw, fuck this...

brush

(53,771 posts)
3. Heehee! At first I thought your OP was from "The Onion" 'cause Sanders sure isn't talking about ...
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jan 2017

Putin and Comey.

He's like a broken record with the concern for the WWC and his bashing of we Dems' identity politics (meaning POCs).

Can't help but love his transparency though.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
4. He needs to take a breath and read the intelligence report.
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:35 PM
Jan 2017

Or, he could just watch Rachel tonight as she called Trump a liar over and over again. She read from the report after showing film footage of Hillary standing up for the Russian people in 2011 because Putin was stealing the election.

She stood up for the Russian people and too many idiots did not stand up for her.


riversedge

(70,197 posts)
5. Maddow's show was great tonight-Hope folks will listen to it once she puts up
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:43 PM
Jan 2017

the video of that segment later.

Gothmog

(145,149 posts)
6. Sanders was on the ballot in 2016 and under performed Clinton
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 12:18 AM
Jan 2017

This is a good article that demonstrates that Sanders would have under performed in the general election https://extranewsfeed.com/bernie-sanders-was-on-the-2016-ballot-and-he-underperformed-hillary-clinton-3b561e8cb779#.jbtsa3epl

Of course, this narrative ignores the facts — that despite Clinton’s supposed flaws, she easily defeated Sanders in the primary via the pledged delegate count, that Sanders inability to convince minority voters doomed his campaign for the nomination, and that the attempt to use superdelegates to override the popular vote was an undemocratic power grab.

And the white workers whose supposed “hate for corporate interests” led them to vote for Trump? They don’t seem upset that Trump has installed three Goldman Sachs executives in his administration. They don’t seem to be angry that Trump’s cabinet is the wealthiest in US history. And we haven’t heard any discontent from the white working class over Trump choosing an Exxon Mobil CEO for Secretary of State.

The devil is in the details, and at first glance, it is easy to see why so many people can believe that Bernie actually would have won. He got a great deal of positive media coverage as the underdog early on, especially with Republicans deliberately eschewing attacks on him in favor of attacks on Clinton. His supporters also trended younger and whiter, demographics that tend to be more visible in the media around election time. A highly energized and vocal minority of Sanders supporters dominated social media, helping him win online polls by huge margins.

But at some point, you have to put away the narrative and actually evaluate performance. This happens in sports all the time, especially with hyped up amateur college prospects before they go pro. Big time college players are often surrounded by an aura, a narrative of sorts, which pushes many casual observers to believe their college skills will translate to success on the next level. But professional teams have to evaluate the performance of these amateur players to determine if they can have success as professionals, regardless what the narrative surrounding them in college was. A college player with a lot of hype isn’t necessarily going to succeed professionally. In fact, some of the most hyped up prospects have the most underwhelming performances at the next level. In the same vein, we can evaluate Sanders’ performance in 2016 and determine whether his platform is ready for the next level. Sanders endorsed a plethora of candidates and initiatives across the country, in coastal states and Rust Belt states. He campaigned for these candidates and initiatives because they represented his platform and his vision for the future of the Democratic Party. In essence, Bernie Sanders was on the 2016 ballot. Let’s take a look at how he performed.

After looking at a number of races where sanders supported candidates under perform Hillary Clinton, that author makes a strong closing
If Sanders is so clearly the future of the Democratic Party, then why is his platform not resonating in diverse blue states like California and Colorado, where the Democratic base resides? Why are his candidates losing in the Rust Belt, where displaced white factory workers are supposed to be sympathetic to his message on trade? The key implication Sanders backers usually point to is that his agenda is supposed to not only energize the Democratic base, but bring over the white working class, which largely skews Republican. Universal healthcare, free college, a national $15 minimum wage, and government controlled prescription drug costs are supposed to be the policies that bring back a white working class that has gone conservative since Democrats passed Civil Rights. Sanders spent $40 million a month during the primary, and was largely visible during the general, pushing his candidates and his agenda across the country. The results were not good — specifically in regards to the white working class. The white working class did not turnout for Feingold in Wisconsin, or for universal healthcare in Colorado. Instead, they voted against Bernie’s platform, and voted for regular big business Republicans.

Why did Sanders underperform Clinton significantly throughout 2016 — first in the primaries, and then with his candidates and initiatives in the general? If Sanders’ platform and candidates had lost, but performed better than Clinton, than that would be an indicator that perhaps he was on to something. If they had actually won, then he could really claim to have momentum. But instead, we saw the opposite result: Sanders’ platform lost, and lost by much bigger margins than Clinton did. It even lost in states Clinton won big. What does that tell us about the future of the Democratic Party? Well, perhaps we need to acknowledge that the Bernie Sanders platform just isn’t as popular as it’s made out to be.

Trump would have destroyed sanders in a general election contest.
 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
11. He said those were factors but not the ONLY factors. Enough of the denial. We LOST working people!!
Sat Jan 7, 2017, 04:41 PM
Jan 2017

We lost MANY working people and the party has done a SHIT SHIT SHIT job in the last eight years with organizing and messaging!!! PERIOD! That is the plain REALITY! It is INDISPUTABLE! To fix this SHITTY FUCKING MESS we need to take an honest look at the SHIT SHIT SHIT job WE have been doing!! Fix the DNC, tell corporate "Democrats" to FUCK OFF, organize at the grass roots EVERYWHERE, stop wasting millions on FUCKING POLLSTERS AND CONSULTANTS, stop WASTING time going to rich fancy fundraisers, and have a FUCKING MESSAGE for working people again. THAT is how you actually WIN elections.

 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
20. Maybe you let Sanders know that the primaries are over.
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:16 PM
Jan 2017

He can stop attacking Democrats & The Democratic Party now.

 

otohara

(24,135 posts)
15. That Explains ColoradoCare Loss Too!
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

in a state Hillary won

Mike Coffman cruised to victory too - Sanders campaigning didn't help Morgan Carroll either.

How sad our president takes some responsibility for the losses of 2016 but not the real culprit Sanders and his nasty ass BorB'sters.


mtnsnake

(22,236 posts)
17. Posting fake news is such a lame way to get people to look at your thread
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 02:58 PM
Jan 2017

only to find out it's nothing more than another bash Bernie Sanders post.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
18. Bernie has also been talking about our corporate media, which is the actual cause for our loss, not
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 03:01 PM
Jan 2017

Comey or Russia, which are vast distractions from the harsher truth. Why as a party aren't we pointing to the thing that is going to lose us the election in 2 years and in 4, and lost us every midterm, and elected W twice?
 

baldguy

(36,649 posts)
19. The leaks from the illegal Russian hack of the DNC helped Sanders in the primaries
Sun Jan 8, 2017, 06:15 PM
Jan 2017

Just as much as they helped Trump in the general.

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