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Hillary .... Fighting for the 99% (Original Post) pbmus Jan 2017 OP
ImStillWithHer. oasis Jan 2017 #1
110%.... pbmus Jan 2017 #3
Thats fine, now let's move on. HopeAgain Jan 2017 #21
No, it's about Bernie 24/7 BainsBane Jan 2017 #34
Not about Bernie for me, its about moving on from the 2016 election cluster f*ck HopeAgain Jan 2017 #40
Good to hear from Her! triron Jan 2017 #2
$125k is an odd cutoff for NY HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #4
The neediest folks will easily qualify. onecaliberal Jan 2017 #5
All of New York STATE is included, not just the NYC. Not many families... George II Jan 2017 #16
NY is really NYC with a little NYS HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #38
If that were true we wouldn't have a republican majority in the NYS Senate or... George II Jan 2017 #42
$125k out side city is still a lot of money La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #31
OK - its snowing in Hell now FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #6
This is an unfair and uncalled for jab triron Jan 2017 #7
Nope. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #10
It's also dumb and incorrect, as this proposal has an income limit La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #30
Point being the anouncement was made with Bernie Sanders not HRC FreakinDJ Jan 2017 #46
Petty. nt. SaschaHM Jan 2017 #9
perhaps Vermont should take note and follow? Tavarious Jackson Jan 2017 #12
Cuomo is enacting a Hillary plan for college La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #13
Is there anywhere you can direct us to this quote or sentiment: George II Jan 2017 #14
Clinton is a NYS resident, has been for 16 years. This is a New York STATE proposal by Cuomo. George II Jan 2017 #19
Yup. Plus we love here in ny, which is why she beat sanders so handily here La Lioness Priyanka Jan 2017 #29
Let's just embrace the change, shall we? Tatiana Jan 2017 #33
That would require actually caring about education BainsBane Jan 2017 #36
Too bad you didn't bother reading BainsBane Jan 2017 #35
I thought the speech remark was a weak attempt to insinuate that Hillary only gives speeches betsuni Jan 2017 #37
Actually I prefer her plan ($250k etc) HoneyBadger Jan 2017 #47
"No we can't " "Pie is the Sky" bahrbearian Jan 2017 #43
K&R baldguy Jan 2017 #8
New York is WAY ahead of VERMONT! Tavarious Jackson Jan 2017 #11
Indeed. George II Jan 2017 #15
She should not go to Trump's inauguration. LS_Editor Jan 2017 #17
Country over party.. pbmus Jan 2017 #18
Because Trump gives a shit about either party... LS_Editor Jan 2017 #20
We all know the Big Con is a moronic idiot, pbmus Jan 2017 #22
Dems need to wake the fuck up. LS_Editor Jan 2017 #23
Read .. pbmus Jan 2017 #24
I've read it. LS_Editor Jan 2017 #25
We will see .... pbmus Jan 2017 #26
Dem behavior during GWB years is not a good precedent. LS_Editor Jan 2017 #28
Like voting for War? And starting new wars Like Obama? bahrbearian Jan 2017 #44
What Trump gives a shit about is wholly irrelevant and does not reflect on Clinton in any way. LanternWaste Jan 2017 #41
Be rational? LS_Editor Jan 2017 #45
"When they go low, we go high"---M. Obama oasis Jan 2017 #27
HRC always has, always will. democratisphere Jan 2017 #32
K&R Starry Messenger Jan 2017 #39

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
21. Thats fine, now let's move on.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:29 PM
Jan 2017

it's simply not about Hillary anymore. if we keep her in the conversation, the Repubs will respond to all Trump criticism as if there's still a campaign going on and do same ole dodge by deflection. I have no interest in the moot discussion of Hillary v. Trump.

Now when I discuss Trump with a supporter, I ask "Yes I know how you hate Hillary. But can you defend, without considering Hillary who is now out of the picture, Trump's (insert stupid Trump thing here)? Turns out most of them haven't any justification for his stupidness when they can't just say he's better than Clinton.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
34. No, it's about Bernie 24/7
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:11 AM
Jan 2017

Last edited Wed Jan 4, 2017, 05:18 AM - Edit history (1)

How dare anyone mention the Democratic nominee when we are supposed to be idolizing Bernie?

HopeAgain

(4,407 posts)
40. Not about Bernie for me, its about moving on from the 2016 election cluster f*ck
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 10:29 AM
Jan 2017

You mean the FORMER Democratic Nominee? Hillary lost to a human nightmare and we need to at least admit she was not the answer. I doubt the answer is Bernie, but we either make some changes or go extinct.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
4. $125k is an odd cutoff for NY
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 08:38 PM
Jan 2017

I could see it as a national cutoff, but in NYC $199k for a family of 4 qualifies you for rent control and $175k occasionally for subsidized city housing lotteries.

George II

(67,782 posts)
16. All of New York STATE is included, not just the NYC. Not many families...
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:14 PM
Jan 2017

...north of the metropolitan area that are as high as $175-199K.

And those dollar limits are for rent stabilized apartments, not rent controlled apartments, two entirely different things.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
38. NY is really NYC with a little NYS
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 04:02 AM
Jan 2017

That is who runs things. Stabilized vs controlled is a valid distinction, you are right, but as far as them being entirely different, it is not apples vs oranges, more like Fuji vs Honey Crisp, they both fall under rent regulated.

George II

(67,782 posts)
42. If that were true we wouldn't have a republican majority in the NYS Senate or...
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:25 PM
Jan 2017

...have had to deal with the likes of George Pataki for 12 years and Al D'Amato for 18 years.

Here's an interesting map of NYS from the recent election:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:New_York_Presidential_Election_Results_2016.svg

Even Suffolk County has historically gone republican in elections.

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
6. OK - its snowing in Hell now
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:21 PM
Jan 2017

All I remember is Hillary saying something about Unicorns and Bernie was completely unrealistic for even suggesting such a thing.

But just to be "Factual" here

No where in that article did it suggest or state Hillary was fighting for the 99%

Ok, ok ... I concede .. She might be in fact fighting for them just a little bit - But no way in Hell are they getting one of those speeches

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
10. Nope.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 09:57 PM
Jan 2017

They're just being petty and conflating what the federal government can realistically do with a republican controlled house and what a Democratically controlled state can do with amenable houses. I can't remember whether Bernie was running for Gov of NY or for President.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
30. It's also dumb and incorrect, as this proposal has an income limit
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:18 AM
Jan 2017

Which were central to all her college arguments

 

FreakinDJ

(17,644 posts)
46. Point being the anouncement was made with Bernie Sanders not HRC
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 07:34 PM
Jan 2017

and the thread was titled "Hillary fighting for the 1%"

Stupid

Petty

Factually inaccurate

YES

It was Bernie Sanders making the announcement and Bernie Sanders accredited with fighting for the 1%

and its President Elect Donald Trump

The sooner folks accept reality the sooner meaningful progress can be made to take back our country

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
13. Cuomo is enacting a Hillary plan for college
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:07 PM
Jan 2017

With income restrictions not a Bernie plan

Maybe try to remember their actual plans

George II

(67,782 posts)
14. Is there anywhere you can direct us to this quote or sentiment:
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:09 PM
Jan 2017

"All I remember is Hillary saying something about Unicorns and Bernie was completely unrealistic for even suggesting such a thing."

George II

(67,782 posts)
19. Clinton is a NYS resident, has been for 16 years. This is a New York STATE proposal by Cuomo.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:18 PM
Jan 2017

Perhaps Senator Sanders should be up in Vermont proposing such a program in HIS state?

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
33. Let's just embrace the change, shall we?
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:05 AM
Jan 2017

There are many people who started off on the wrong side of an issue, only to come around to the right side sometime later. We should encourage people to manifest this type of change.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
36. That would require actually caring about education
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:19 AM
Jan 2017

As opposed to personality. There is a reason we see dozens of threads a day about certain individuals and few about issues or policy.

BainsBane

(53,001 posts)
35. Too bad you didn't bother reading
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 01:17 AM
Jan 2017

Her policy positions on education. That's no ones responsibility but your own. As she said repeatedly during the debates, the main difference between her and Sanders was that she didn't believe middle class tax payers should pay for the education of the wealthy. Her proposal was debt free public college for incomes up to $250k and tuition free community college.

She isn't giving a speech? So how can she possibly support the 99% when she isn't on TV or giving arena speeches? She also didn't swoop in to take credit for a NY State law she had nothing to do with passing.

It's telling that your definion of fighting revolves around giving a speech to fans. That bill became law through hard work by lawmakers and citizens of NY, not because of a speech in a stadium. Your standards are too low.

betsuni

(25,122 posts)
37. I thought the speech remark was a weak attempt to insinuate that Hillary only gives speeches
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 02:52 AM
Jan 2017

to the 1% on Wall St. or wealthy donors, so the 99% would never hear her speeches.

By the way, I've figured something out. I thought it strange the way Hillary is blamed for things Bill did as president, but now I understand that Bill/Hillary is one entity: the dreaded Clinton Machine. They are not individuals, let alone human.

pbmus

(12,418 posts)
22. We all know the Big Con is a moronic idiot,
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:32 PM
Jan 2017

That does not mean she and Bill want to sink to his level...

This is a national event...it is not just the Big Cons event.

LS_Editor

(893 posts)
23. Dems need to wake the fuck up.
Tue Jan 3, 2017, 11:36 PM
Jan 2017

They - the Republicans - are not playing by the same fucking rules. Will there be a lack of resolve to defend Social Security and Medicare because of country over party? Such a bullshit excuse to appease the orange man baby. We're losing already.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
41. What Trump gives a shit about is wholly irrelevant and does not reflect on Clinton in any way.
Wed Jan 4, 2017, 12:14 PM
Jan 2017

What Trump gives a shit about is wholly irrelevant and does not reflect on Clinton in any way. Be rational.

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