Cenk Uygur can kiss my ass

[rbrnmw]

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he was a chief Hillary hater

He has the nerve to complain? He helped put the mutha fucker there, by his constant complaining about Hillary.

[lapucelle]

1. Plus he needs to change the name of his channel to "All the Middle-Aged Turks"

[womanofthehills]

14. Actually he has young Ana Kasparian as his co-host

I really like Ana!

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

76. Yes, she's fantastic.

[forjusticethunders]

20. Let's not talk about the fact that

He's a genocide denier, and takes the name of his show from a group of genocidal fascist thugs.

Cenk can burn in hell, and he probably will.

[Ohioblue22]

2. Cenk you've lost your priviledge of complaint now sit back

And enjoy the ride that you , Bernie and his supporters help create.

[lastone]

44. Gosh that's a really shallow stab at reality ain't it!

Lol - blame Sanders all you want and never and I mean never for a second take into account what so many of us warned you about Hillary and her manufactured credibility problem. Keep blaming Sanders, must be getting some sand in your ears with your head so far buried..

[treestar]

54. You may have warned us

But when Bernie lost did you help combat those issues. ?

[Bill USA]

57. uh-oh, no fair asking such discomforting questions! such a meanie!

[Demsrule86]

69. Uh-oh...helping Trump win makes way worse than a meanie.

Hillary was the only thing that stood between us and Trump...and he just didn't get it...many of them didn't...well I will never forgive him nor watch his show.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

78. And that was exactly the problem... not Bernie or his supporters.

[Demsrule86]

92. I do believe Bernie's run and failure to get out when it was clear he could not win, his refusal to

concede and encouraging protests at the convention costs us the election. It certainly contributed to it...given the millions more votes she got...I believe she would have won had Bernie never run.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

93. Yeahh, that "democracy" thing... always gettin in the way of tellin voters who to elect!!

The truth is, Bernie's presence in the primary race made Hillary a BETTER progressive candidate on the issues that matter most to the 99% of folks... she prolly would've lost by an even BIGGER margin had it not been for Bernie's influence! That's a fact!

[tecelote]

104. +1!

[Demsrule86]

119. No it didn't...the attacks on Hillary and the party hurt us badly...we lost.

Had Bernie never run, we would have won. I would never want a non-Democrat to run in our primary again.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

120. You have to admit Bernie's presence in the race moved Hillary farther to the left... that's a given.

Now, in MY opinion - wise as it is - that garnered her MORE votes in the general from the Democratic base than she otherwise would've received had she campaigned as a centrist candidate. IRONICALLY, had Hillary NATURALLY gravitated towards those progressive populist positions - instead of getting DRAGGED, kickin' and screamin' without a sincere belief in those positions - I'm not so sure Bernie would've felt compelled to run against her!! (He basically said as much.)

In any case, I believe Bernie did Hillary - AND the Democratic Party - a HUGE fuckin' favor by running against her in the primaries, as she would have gotten clobbered even worse in the Electoral College voting. So, instead of continually condemning Bernie, we should be singing his praises!!

You can disagree all you want, and throw in a few personal insults like many loyal Hillary followers are prone to do lately here on DU, but that doesn't change the reality of the situation.

[StevieM]

62. If Sanders or O'Malley had been the nominee I guarantee you that we would have learned all about

what miserable human beings they are.

Just like we did about Al Gore and John Kerry.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

77. Yes, blame it all on Bernie... like Hillary is blameless. GMAB!!

[Ohioblue22]

85. she is blameless . it's bad enough the right went after her

but from bernie it was inexcusable. he and the bobs gave us trump . he was an independent who became a dem just long enough to spoil the election for us .

[Gothmog]

3. I stopped paying attention to the TYT a while back

[rbrnmw]

4. I was playing a Bill Maher video on youtube

and it automatically started playing

[Gothmog]

11. I stopped watching Maher a while back also

[Nonhlanhla]

5. He advocated for Hillary in the GE

although he supported Bernie in the primaries.

[dawg]

17. If by "advocate" you mean ...

continually trashing her in his videos, repeating right-wing smears against her, and then, at the very end, offhandedly admitting that he was going to vote for her because Trump was such a disaster - then yes, I guess he did.

[Nonhlanhla]

21. He was not super enthusiastic, to be sure,

but, although I do not always agree with him, many of his criticisms had merit (not all), he was very clear on why progressives should vote for Hillary, and he was right in predicting that the election would be close and Trump had a chance of winning. I was a Hillary supporter in the primaries and sometimes Cenk's whining about the primaries gets on my nerves, but at the same time I find him worth listening to.

[dawg]

22. Well I voted for Bernie in the primaries.

But I'm through with Cenk and TYT. A total waste of bandwidth as far as I'm concerned.

[Third Doctor]

24. I feel the same way.

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When it was time to pull together to avert a disaster Cenk doubled down until he got scared late in the race. He also praised Trump (while trashing Obama) before his Carrier scam was fully reported.

[LenaBaby61]

34. Agree with your post.

FULLY done with TYT.

When they're not busy trashing Hillary they do good work, however the last time I saw anything from them, I saw that they were still trashing her post the election, and acting like Bernie was perfect and a saint. I like Bernie very much and would have voted for him if he had been the Dem nominee. To believe that Bernie would have been spared an opposition research dump on him is ludicrous, and I hear that the woman-beating Nazi Bannon was ready to go full bore with the opposition research they had on Bernie if he was the Dem nominee, and from what I've read, that opposition research was going to be extremely salacious and viscous, and I don't doubt that one bit. It's bad enough that the media gave $2 Billion dollars worth of free air time to that lying, racist ruskie-loving criminal tRumputin, but knowing 95% of the corporate press/media, they would have covered the more salacious/viscous things out there that Bannon 'allegedly' had on Bernie, meanwhile, not cover his message at ALL.

[tblue37]

59. Vicious, not viscous. You have to keep tabs on your hyperactive autocorrect . nt

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

79. The horror of it all!!

[msongs]

6. is he still on the PUtin tv propaganda network?

[progressoid]

8. That would be Thom Hartmann, Larry King, Ed Schultz, Mike Papantonio, etc.

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[LenaBaby61]

7. Nothing wrong with criticizing anyone ....

Even Hillary, when the criticism is warranted, and I'm an avid Hillary supporter.

However, he acts as if Bernie is perfect, and that's hardly the case. If you think Cenk is bad, you ought to hear his idiotic friend Jimmy Dore, who thinks Bernie is the Messiah. What an idiot that guy is.

Post 2017, I'm no longer listening to EITHER one of them, or to TYT.

[PotatoChip]

19. I love Jimmy Dore! Awesome guy.

Jordan Chariton is great too.

[check077]

71. I agree...

Jimmy Dore spews criticism of Democrats and Hillary to the extent that one would have to double-take to ensure one had not accidentally tuned in to right wing radio. I now avoid Dore and Cenk as much as possible.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

80. Had Hillary HEEDED the criticism, instead of coasting to the end, we'd gratefully be rid of Fuhrer-Elect Cheeto Face and be callin her Madame President.

Such a missed opportunity... such a shame.

[jodymarie aimee]

9. CENK

is a hero to me. Outspoken genius. Ditto Moore, Maher, Ed. Pap, Hartmann....we need MORE of them not less to fight against RW hate radio.

[womanofthehills]

15. Agreed - Cenk and Ana are doing a great job covering Standing Rock

People on this site hate anyone who ever was for Bernie. The hate for Tom Hartman on here is sad. I also love Pap - he is one of my favorites. He alone is basically fighting the fight against Monsanto.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

81. And Bernie leading the charge... gotta love his tenacity!!

Progressive populism is catching fire... Bernie's message is getting through!

Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!

[TonyPDX]

26. Agreed. We need a lot more of them.

I'm starting to learn how to ignore people who believe otherwise. It's not really a problem.

[JDC]

48. I'm in agreement. I think we need more like him

[jzodda]

55. I agree with you! I love TYT

Outside them and keith oberman on YouTube and Maddow on TV it feels like we have very little out there for those of us who are ready to fight.

Cenk didn't support HRC but imo made the right choice in the end.

His support for Bernie only enhances his stature in my view.

I will continue to watch and advocate that others also do so.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

82. Yes, one of the lone wolves crying out in the wilderness.

[JCanete]

66. people are unforgiving when you don't stand at attention behind their Candidate. They would rather

label something wholly evil or self-serving, than to appreciate it for the good it does, and that includes Snowden because he made Obama look bad, and Colonel West and Susan Sarandon...people we used to think of as good progressive voices on these boards.

I like Cenk too. I like Maher and Moore etc. yet at plenty of turns I have thought that each of them have gotten something entirely wrong...especially Maher on his "all religions suck but some suck more than others" campaign. So I take them for their strengths and disagree with them where they are wrong. All of them bring far more value than anybody on the big three major cable news channels which is a shame, because I've always liked Rachel, all the way back to her Air America days, I just don't think she's pushing any limits in her role, which, given the corporate entity that is MSNBC, is both unsurprising and a shame.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

83. If only they had heeded his warnings.

[killbotfactory]

68. Cenk, Moore, Maher, etc... can be complete assholes at times, but...

When I disagree with them, I don't believe it's because they're wrong because they are dishonest or corrupt.

Pretty much every smarmy right-wing talking head is bought off and completely full of shit.

[Locrian]

89. glad there are other supporters

Really like TYT. They're one of the only strong progressive outlets.

Calling it as it is (re HRC) may butt hurt some peoples feelings (identity politics) but we need more of it if we are ever going to get back on a progressive track.

They just hired new reporters, run WOLF PAC, and I love Agressive Progressive - seems like they're doing more that posting about trumps outrageous tweets and how stupid his supporters are.

[jodymarie aimee]

94. spot on Locrian

FreeSpeech TV was the only outlet blasting Greg Palast's crosscheck investigation. MSM could give a crap about real news. And right wing radio is hypnotizing the deplorables.

[Garrett78]

10. This is the same guy who said Sanders won Super Tuesday and would be the nominee.

I don't know how anyone can take him very seriously.

[killbotfactory]

12. He said Hillary's support was soft, and Trump could win a couple days before the election

Boy does he look foolish now.

[padfun]

28. Soft? It looks like he was correct.

If Sanders was the nominee, Dems would control the Senate and the Presidency.

[Tarheel_Dem]

49. Bullshit. n/t

[brutus smith]

51. Agree!

We need more like him. Hillary is yesterday's news. Time to move forward and get our shit together.

[StevieM]

63. The poster you responded to was being sarcastic. And we don't know how Sanders would have done.

We do know that Sanders and O'Malley would have been portrayed as miserable human beings had they been the nominee. There would have been made up scandals against them too.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

84. No doubt!!

[LenaBaby61]

32. Boy does he look foolish now.

To believe that Bernie wouldn't have suffered the same problems of voter suppression/voter disenfranchisement as Hillary did is ridiculous. Like the GOP was going to play "nice" with him just because he was Bernie? Plus, cyber-hacking or interference by the ruskies didn't help her either. In fact, I don't think ANY Dem would have won the presidency, knowing/feeling what I know and feel nearing January 2017.

Also, Bernie was NEVER vetted by the press because they were too busy ignoring him in favor of giving tRumputin $2 Billion dollars worth of free air time, so I'm not buying ANY of this "Bernie blows tRumputin away" business. I would have voted for him if he had been the Dem nominee, as I trust him much more than that evil mad man tRumputin. However, the GOP nor the ruskies would have played "nice" with Bernie either.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

13. Why would you let him kiss your ass? He can go kiss

Donald trumps ass.

[rbrnmw]

16. true

[dawg]

18. I've got no time for TYT. They are part of the problem.

Cenk is one of those guys who thinks he's always the smartest guy in the room. But he's not. He's sloppy with his facts and blinded by the size of his own ego.

[Thrill]

23. Yup they spent the whole campaign bashing her

.

[TonyPDX]

30. No they didn't. They held her to high standards, which shouldn't have been a problem.

Same with Bernie. So many here seem to forget that he stood beside Hillary in TWELVE STATES during the last week of the election, alone. If you're butt-hurt because he pushed her platform left, then that's too bad.

[Thrill]

37. Oh yes they did? Where have you been? Al lyou have to do is search through their

twitter account. They only retweeted the negative stories about her. Only polls that were bad for her. Cenk even said Trump won all the debates. And go look at the guy that works for them Jordan. You would think he was a trump supporter throughout the campaign

[TonyPDX]

39. The polls were wrong. All of them.

Michael Moore got it right. Do you despise him, too?

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

86. Michael Moore understood that once we turned our back on progressive populism, you could see the disaster comin from a mile away.

[jalan48]

25. I absolutely love Ana. She's one of the best journalists out there.

[Demsrule86]

70. Sorry...there are no journalist anymore...

She is on Cent's show therefore, she can not be a journalist. She is all about opinion not facts...and those opinions helped elect Trump.

[jalan48]

73. I like Cenk if for no other reason than he stood up to MSNBC when he worked for them.

Unlike Maddow, he refused to be bought off by big corporate money.

[Demsrule86]

75. I no longer watch any media including MSNBC... but Cenk did way

more damage to our candidate than Maddow...Cent is dead to me...I will neve watch anything he is a part of.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

87. You obviously haven't been watching that closely.

[Gothmog]

27. Cenk is an ass and I really do not care what he thinks

[Charles Bukowski]

29. Did Cenk praise Trump for that Sprint deal he had nothing to do with?

Like he did when the farcical Carrier deal went down? Cenk even trashed Obama while heaping praise on Trump.

The Young Turds are dead to me, and I'd be more than happen if someone returned the favor and spat in Jimmy Dore's phony progressive mug.

How's Bernie's liberal revolution working out for you now, kiddies?

[TonyPDX]

31. It endures. Meanwhile, where's Hillary?

[Charles Bukowski]

33. I dunno

thinking about how hard she's going to laugh in few years at the millennial progressives who "voted with their conscience" or stayed home?

[TonyPDX]

36. If we survive no one is going to laugh, and I'm hardly a millennial progressive.

She came up about 80,000 votes short. Blame Bernie. Blame Cenk. Blame anyone you wish if it makes you feel better.

As a precinct committee person for the Democratic Party I supported Bernie in the primaries but worked my ass off for Hillary when she became the party's candidate. During canvassing I met so many women and men that expressed extreme distrust of Hillary and her husband but said they'd vote for her. I also met women and men who said they'd leave the ballot box for President unchecked (Oregon was not in play). I assume that many others throughout the country had similar opinions. Some were able to transfer their allegiance, others couldn't, but to blame the 80,000 votes she lacked specifically on ANY group or person is such a fool's endeavor.

A question, though. Why has she remained mostly silent in the weeks since the election? She wasn't elected President so now she'll disappear? Do leaders do that?

Meanwhile, Bernie returned to the fight.

[Charles Bukowski]

42. I wasn't pinning the blame solely on the BoBers

But they along with Cenk & friends sure as hell didn't help.

Frankly, their behavior offended me even more than the Deplorables - - at least the Deplorables weren't running around acting as if they were the final word on progressive ideals.

We had Trump in our midst, yet third party candidates grabbed a larger share of the vote than elections past. That should not have happened, I don't care how lukewarm they felt towards Hillary. The millennial turnout was disgraceful.


The Young Turds were so vehemently anti-Hillary during the primaries (and even after she clinched the nomination, which of course they claimed she stole) it's no wonder that the bulk of their followers ended up hating her more than Trump. You should have seen the comments section on Facebook. Bernie Bros deflected blame from Trump onto Hillary with all the skill of a right-wing nut job. It was sad to witness.

As for your question, Hillary is a private citizen now, she doesn't have the platform Bernie, Warren, and Schumer do. Maybe she'll summon the will to fight on somewhere down the line, but watching former Blue states get a cases of the stupids and flip for Trump must have been very disheartening for her. Besides, after a grueling campaign, she's earned a break from the like of the Deplorables, Cenk, and Jimmy fucking Dore.

[TonyPDX]

43. Hillary probably has the biggest name recognition of any "private citizen" on the planet.

What is she doing with it? She's not leading, that's for sure.

And, hey, you can slam and slander anyone you wish, but it just makes you appear butt-hurt and bitter. Not exactly the qualities anyone needs to survive the shit-storm on the horizon.

[Charles Bukowski]

64. Why would I appear butthurt attacking Bernie Busters,

unless they're gloating over Trump's victory? Knowing how warped their ideals are, they probably self-satisfied with Clinton's defeat. It wouldn't surprise me.

Bitter? You bet your ass I'm bitter. SS and Medicare are about to be gutted, my Latino employees (I own a small restaurant) are worried sick that their parents are going to be deported, I'm about to lose my health insurance. 8 years after the worst presidency of my lifetime came to an end, the GOP is more powerful than ever.

I'm gearing up for the fight to come, but this is a tough pill to swallow.

[brush]

102. Sanders was not the candidate. In our other elections the losing candidate keeps a low profile . . .

out of respect for the office of the presidency — certainly not for trump.

Sore loserism is not a good look.

And after the Comey/Putin treachery, can you blame her for wanting to rest after two grueling years of hate thrown at her from the right and left?

[TonyPDX]

107. I'm less worried about what isn't a good look than saving the country.

Had she won she'd have eight years of difficult work ahead. Can I blame her for wanting to rest?

[brush]

108. As a private citizen now without an office like Sanders and Warren she doesn't have much of . . .

a platform. I'm sure she's concerned about the country but with the repugs holding all the cards she's waiting in the short term to see what happens like all the rest of us.

She also probably realizes it's time for new, younger blood in the party to step up.

[TonyPDX]

109. She doesn't have much of a platform? Only the biggest name recognition in the country.

How could she have managed the rigors of the office if she's too exhausted now?

[brush]

110. Re-read the last sentence. She knows it's time for new blood.

And I suspect she's had enough of the attacks — not just from the repugs but from the left.

And what do you expect her to do? Name recognition you say? She just "lost" so that name recognition doesn't mean much. The repugs control everything now. You want her up on a soapbox still fighting the campaign? She's wise enough to know she doesn't have to help trump cut his own throat. He's perfectly capable of doing that himself.

Schumer, Pelosi and Warren and hopefully some younger Dems have to takeover leadership of the party now.

All the "no more identity politics" and "cater to the white working class trump voter" rhetoric (indirect, but still more attacks on the Clinton campaign) from you know who is just further dividing the Dems and not getting us anywhere.

Bernie needs to stand down with continuing the primary battle.

And what about his revolution/new organization? Why not work on that?

We'll all have a clearer picture as to how to proceed after Jan. 20th.

[LenaBaby61]

40. It endures. Meanwhile, where's Hillary?

How is it going to endure when the Senate will probably be even more RED in 2018 due to voter suppression/voter disenfranchisement which when reported will NOT be dealt with by a tRumputin DOJ, and due to the fact that I have no earthly clue if Dems will even be able to trust the voting apparatus out their in terms of cyber-hacking--especially under a tRumputin DOJ favorable to russia/putin, and who won't care one bit about investigating voter suppression etc., especially if it's reported by Democrats or progressives.

Secondly, the Congress will be redistricting in 2020, and if the Congress gets any further right/red, then what in the world can progressives exactly do about it? Like they're going to be spared this tRumputin shit sandwich? Seriously, like a tRumputin DOJ will make it easier for progressives to vote? The Civil Rights voting act which will be torn to shreds these next 2 and beyond years under tRumputin/GOP leadership will be torn to shreds and dialed back for progressives ALSO. With a deep red Senate and Congress and possible rethug presidency for 8 years, how will a progressive message endure, especially if the voting apparatus (Voting machines) can be subject to tampering?

[TonyPDX]

41. The fight endures. Have you given up?

[LenaBaby61]

45. The fight endures. Have you given up?

NO, I haven't given up...

But let's face facts here.

When you have a mostly corporate media who doesn't care one bit about fact/truth but only about ratings and ad dollars then you're in trouble as a society/nation. We have NO counterbalance as it relates to truth in the media. They're currently very busy kissing tRumputin's excuse my French, ass.

When you have a head of a tRumputin DOJ who will of course further double down on getting rid of voting rights for Dems/progressives and make it more difficult for US to vote, and not bother ALEC who will continue thriving, I'd say that is PAST cause for concern. And, when you have all 3 branches of the government going dead red, right, and ruskie (Now the GOP is in love with russia) and who gives more deference to russia/putin than it's own citizenry, that spells TROUBLE in all capitals.

Also, if the Senate goes to 60 or more for the Rethugs in 2018 (Which is may thanks to DINO's like Joe Manchin of West Virginia), and if via redistricting the Congress goes even more in favor of the GOP, and on top of THAT a whole full 8 years of a GOP presidency, then for the next 10 years and MORE the Dems/progressives will be in the wilderness I didn't even mention what types of devastating rulings a tRumputin Supreme Court could make that will further cripple this country in years to come).

I don't trust the GOP as far as I could throw a pyramid, and IF it gets to the point where the Rethugs can start to dig into and change the Constitution because they have the numbers to .... Makes me sick to my stomach thinking about all of the power the GOP has.

Dems/progressive are in DEEP trouble, and that's even BEFORE 2018, and 2020 gets here.

[TonyPDX]

50. I don't disagree with a single point you made.

All the more reason to unite and resist TOGETHER than continue to cleave and blame and disintegrate our efforts further. Posts that continue to attack people who supported Bernie or anyone who didn't sport a Hillary tattoo are just divisive. I left the dkos community because they refused to talk about Democrats living in poverty, or the simple fact that 2/3's of American's couldn't put $1,000 together if hit by an emergency. Markos' community shifted to center-left and less-affluent Democrats became almost unmentionable.

Now, a significant number in this community with "Underground" in it's name can't tolerate less-than-messianic reverence for a candidate who seems to have gone underground in defeat. I believe we've got to be for all Democrats-- the poor folks who showed up for Bernie AND the Greg Dworkins. Pissing on Cenk Uygur or Bernie or Michael Moore or Bill Maher doesn't move us forward one inch, and further inflames causes for division.

Hillary supporters wondered why Bernie supporters couldn't put aside their differences and just fall into line after the primaries since fighting Trump was the main objective. I ask the same people why they can't join with fellow Democrats to resist the orange monster?

[StevieM]

65. I am not a Bernie-basher and I don't think that most people who opposed him in the primaries

want him banished from the party.

I do hear a lot of Bernie supporters trashing HRC and her supporters and essentially demanding that we seek forgiveness and redemption.

I think it is natural for Hillary to take some time off after this bruising election. She just suffered the most hateful campaign of personal destruction in American history.

[Charles Bukowski]

46. Not at all.

I'm just venting right now. I don't think the Clintons have given up either.

[TonyPDX]

47. Hope springs eternal.

[killbotfactory]

61. The TYT covered the standing rock water protectors when the MSM was either silent...

or pretending that the protesters were being violent. The only media on the ground at the protests were independent like TYT.

The MSM was too busy reporting every dumbass Trump tweet, I guess.

[earthside]

52. Because Cenk Uygur was correct ...

... he has every right to critique Trump.

And that's a fact.

[rbrnmw]

53. yeah had he only saved it all from that POS I wouldn't mind

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he was part of the problem being one of those I'll hold my nose people, I lost all respect for him.

[Bill USA]

56. It is interesting to see the GOP toadies of M$M pretending Trump was not the M$M's favorite son, and

acting like they are surprised that Trump has no conception of public service, (like all Republicans) sees nothing wrong with corruption - if they are engaging in it, and has no comprehension of what 'democracy' means. Their idea of government is fascism, where Government is run by and for the business community (i.e. the owners of business, the wealthy).

[welivetotreadonkings]

58. I'm not a huge TYT fan, but I like Cenk from time to time.

He defended Hillary on the e-mail story right away when it broke. Sure, he had criticisms of her, but I think there was a good portion that were legitimate--and I say this as someone who happily voted for Clinton and was enthusiastic about our platform. Cenk defended voting for her, and he is in one of the bluest states. Really, it's Jimmy Dore that should deserve our scorn. That dude has been arguing that Trump was the preferred candidate, because now it will unite the left around resisting him or some nonsense. Completely disregards that his life as a straight, white man making a decent living won't be affected much by the incoming administration, aside from tax breaks perhaps.

[bravenak]

60. Yeah, fuck him

[OrwellwasRight]

67. Dissent is not tolerated in the modern

Democratic Party, eh? Not allowed to criticize a candidate, eh? That really builds faith that this is a Party that will defend different points of view and freedom of expression.

[check077]

72. Dissent is not the problem....

One should know when and where to do it. It definitely not while one is facing a thug who is attempting to mutilate and rob one in a back alley.

[elehhhhna]

88. Are we talking about Bernie now, or Trump?

Because the way you all talk sometimes I can't really tell the difference

[check077]

95. I disdain Trump, but....

some things that Bernie did ultimately hurt the party's chances in the general election. I don't dislike the guy and agree with using much of what he believed to help reshape the Democratic party. I saw so much potential where Hillary holding the presidency while Bernie having her by the short hairs to carry out a progressive agenda.

[JCanete]

100. Truth is always important. I don't like it when my own party says to me "fall in line."

If we didn't have disaffected democrats and liberals that had a voice, the DNC and Clinton would never have tacked left post-primaries to try to court us. If our establishment wanted us to " fall in line," then why in God's name did it take them so long to actually role out a promising platform?" Instead she and they fought some of Sanders policies head-on as unicorns and fairy dust, only to adopt some of them anyway.

[brush]

103. Maybe because Sanders wouln't concede long after he had no chance. Weeks and weeks he kept . . .

up the attacks on "the establishment/Clinton" when the primary was lost to him.

[JCanete]

111. again who's fault is that. do you object to something that ended up being in Clinton's campaign or

on the DNC platform? If yes, then why? If no, then why didn't the Democratic leadership adopt these ideas sooner? Sanders didn't get into the race to win. He got further than he ever expected to get. The Democratic leadership was simply annoyed that he was there in the first place, and when they thought they could just stick a fork in him everybody would just fall in line, they fully intended to bury his issues with him. From April til July they weren't trying to court Sanders voters, they were trying to make us all into Bernie Bros, and Sanders into a selfish and delusional candidate.

So, because of our leadership's choices, had Sanders not taken it to the convention, his entire run would have been nearly for naught. They forced his hand, in my opinion.

[brush]

112. A novel way to look at it. They forced his hand to keep dividing the party

He's the one who asked to run as a Dem then didn't want to stop attacking the party long after he couldn't win.

Never again should a non-Dem with no party allegiance be allowed to run and take advantage of the Democratic Party brand and recognition, only to good back to being an independent after having used the party for name recognition and money raising ability (he even admitted to that).

Never again.

[JCanete]

113. I'm sorry, for my money, as a Democrat myself, he was a Dem. Shouldn't those of us in the party

have a say in who we accept as our own?

The other option would have been 3rd party candidacy. Why don't you tell me how you feel about that?

Besides, I care far more about issues than D's behind people's names. Are we a party of ideals or of something else entirely?


But you didn't bother to actually address my points. Why didn't the leadership listen earlier? You are fully welcome to say you don't like the things that Sanders got into the platform, but then I'd ask you why on earth not? And if you do, again, why the hold out? What could possibly justify doing damage to ourselves as a party by resisting the integration of ideas into our platform that actually make it better?

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114. IMO he may as well have been running as a third party because he attacked the party continuously

He's still doing with the "stop playing identity politics" and appealing to the "white working class" rhetoric.

Identity politics, meaning people of color of course, the voters he neglected during the southern primaries as not being that important.

[JCanete]

115. oh, you're all in the talking points zone I see. His platform certainly didn't neglect people of

color.In fact quite the opposite. His policies would have been far more beneficial to underserved communities than Clinton's. Also, his position and record on civil-rights issues has always been ahead of the times, not behind them. Just in the context of this race, he was the first of the candidates to support Black Lives Matter. That is hardly pandering to a white working class.

We do need to appeal to people who don't hear us now, and one way to do that is to not shame or vilify them for their vote. We don't need to make them feel like bad people, because if we try to do that we lose them anyway. We need to get them to hear us about what they are voting for versus what they actually want...about what they think ails them versus what actually does.

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116. Blah de blah blah blah. If those people didn't listen to and vote according to trumps dog whistles..

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we could reach them, but they don't. They respond to make America white . . . er, ah . . . great again talking points as they're afraid of losing their white privilege. To them, talk of evening the playing field for POCs seems like oppression to them. They want the 50s all over again where they didn't have to have even a high school diploma to get a good job, and of course where the black people knew their place.

Not a surprise, I mean with a black president for 8 years continuously attacked and opposed by the repugs, it was easy to vilify him and turn the race into a referendum to get a white guy, not a white woman, back into the white house.

Repugs are dirty. They know how to reach low info voters — gutter politics, they use race first, make them feel entitled to think they're special and better than "those people".

And talk about "talking points zones" you're wallowing in Sanders' campaign talking points zone with the WWC appeals. It didn't work for him because most WWC were more interested in getting rid of the black guy and keeping women down than whether some socialist is talking about free health care that's going to double their taxes.

As a matter of fact it backfired as he alienated a huge part of the base of the party by neglecting outreach to them in the early primaries. . . African Americans, Latino Americans, Asian Americans and other POCs.

And then after using the party's brand for name recognition and fund raising, he runs back to being an independent but still wants to control the Dem party agenda. Stay a Democrat for God's sake for credibility and a show of gratitude for now being more than a little-known independent from a small state with no influence.

Being a Democrat was good enough when running for president but not now? WTF is that about?

[JCanete]

117. I would say its about a two-party system being a fairly undemocratic condition that we find

ourselves in. Sanders was most closely aligned with Democratic Party Principles, and he ran within a structure that already had supporters of him. That makes perfect sense to me. The other added benefit is that he didn't run in opposition to Clinton and Trump in a 3-way GE race that would surely have put Trump into the White House, or at least, likely would have.

As to racism...the point is that it isn't an intrinsic nature-over-nurture condition. Focusing on racists rather than the machinery that makes them so, is not going to put an end to this vicious cycle. Giving them an alternative narrative that they are responsive to will. People do change. We're capable of helping them to do it, but changing people's paradigm is a delicate matter.

That absolutely doesn't mean that we subsume issues important to minorities and marginalized communities in order to not seem threatening to these voter blocs. I don't think Sanders did that or is doing that now, whether he made missteps in connecting with these communities early in the campaign or not.What he is dong is finding a message that will resonate with people that actually allows us to tear down their racist assumptions, by showing what is actually making their lives harder...by showing that we don't have to even the playing field on their backs, but that evening it will actually make all lives better if we do it by taking back the commons.

[betsuni]

74. Cenk, what happened to you?

You used to have common sense and knew right from wrong, then you turned into a sputtering hatemonger who seemed to actually believe all the ridiculously stupid propaganda about Democrats being worse than Republicans. What the fuck. Snap out of it! And kiss my ass as well.

[LenaBaby61]

90. From what friends who watch Cenk tell me ....

He doesn't even think that ruskies were involved at ALL in what happened with Hillary losing the presidency.

IF that's what he believes, then he can miss me with that. Also, not thinking that Bernie wouldn't have suffered the same fate with the ruskies or with voter disenfranchisement/voter suppression, then he is crazy and can kiss my fanny too. Like the GOP would have played "nice" with Bernie, who never was vetted at ALL.

[cwydro]

91. Ugh.

He's a loud mouthed asshat.

I've never forgotten that airline video he aired...thinking he looked good in it I guess. He looked like the asshole he is.

[NCTraveler]

96. He was a Trump surrogate.

He found a special and aggressive group to pander to. No different than HA Goodman. Some will always be willing to take advantage of others ignorance in the name of money.

[JCanete]

99. No he wasn't. Your power to conflate justified criticism, even distrust of our whole system, to

being in support of or assisting Trump, who is clearly a sociopathic pinnacle of American Capitalistic disfunction the likes of which The Young Turks rail about, doesn't really have reach beyond the echo chamber.

BTW, if he were in it for the money first, he could have just been more of a "team player" at MSNBC. They just wanted him to lay off a little...they just wanted him to understand that they were insiders there, not rabble-rousers.

[Devil Child]

97. Denial is strong around here

Seems like it is much easier to blame every single thing and externalize all cause for Clinton's defeat rather than some hard to admit truths that Clinton failed at securing victory.

What caused more damage the Clinton campaign? Criticism by Cenk Uygur that was probably never heard by the majority of Americans or Clinton's deplorables comment?

It isn't TYT's fault. Clinton ran a failed campaign and we are all paying the price.

[TSIAS]

98. It's an odd time we live in

The left now consider Glenn Beck our friend while we hate Cenk Uygur. Before the election, people here were even trashing Dan Rather. I prefer the likes of Uygur and Rather to Beck.

[LenaBaby61]

105. The left now consider Glenn Beck our friend.

Not me.

Beck's a lunatic.

[B C Butler]

101. Lost and stranded

We're all stranded on Gilligan's Island.

[LLStarks]

106. I never bothered with Chunk Uighur or TYT. I'm a much happier Dem. nt

[BigDemVoter]

118. Fuck him.

I may agree with him on many points, but fuck him just the same. I got so goddamned tired of his negative bullshit about HRC. I hope he's happy now.