Am I Losing It? Glenn Greenwald on MSNBC saying hack has no evidence

[adigal]

It's just leaks from rogue agents? Haven't the President and Congress been briefed by the intelligence agencies?
What am i hearing? Am i missing soemthing?

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

1. Glenn Greenwald. Consider the source.

[Cicada]

25. US Govt has lied constantly, not Greenwald

If there is a dispute where the US Govt says one thing and someone else says something else, you should bet against the US Govt. That's just the smart bet based on history.

So if you consider the source, why would you dispute Greenwald?

[radical noodle]

26. Greenwald doesn't know everything

[KittyWampus]

46. Greenwald lied about his partner being held because of his association w/Greenwald...

in FACT his partner was carrying stolen, classified information.

Greenwald then lied about his partner being held for hours with no legal council... in FACT his partner refused the lawyer he was given and insisted on waiting hours of his personal lawyer to show up.

[Cicada]

50. What Greenwald said was correct

Miranda was detained because of his association with Greenwald. You would not have been detained were you traveling with a hard drive. Greenwald did not say Miranda was not carrying Snowden files. Miranda was not allowed to call Greenwald who would have provided legal advice. Greenwald said he was not allowed to talk to "a lawyer," not that he was denied the right to talk to a lawyer the British government would provide or approve.

In my opinion the odds Greenwald would lie are low and the odds US Govt security officials would lie are moderate. Security agents are explicitly trained to say things which are not true. They have departments organized to train their agents to deceive.

[YOHABLO]

2. I think the problem is U.S. citizens don't know what to believe anymore. MSM has failed us so badly.

[doc03]

3. I just listened to that myself, he said there is

no evidence of any Russian hack. He is criticizing Democrats for making an issue of it.
I thought that was a verified fact by the FBI, CIA and the President.

[shadowrider]

11. It's never been verified

the only thing that's happened is someone said it happened.

Personally, in my job as an analyst, it's imperative I get both sides before making up my mind.

Until I see proof, not "he/she said it happened", I'm keeping an open mind.

If someone can correct me, I'm open.

[adigal]

17. The head of the CIA said it, now the FBI confirmed

They brieifed Obama and Congress. So now the propaganda is that it never even happened? Really? Do you think they would have briefed the President and Congress on some leaks? Jesus on a pogo stick!

[brush]

18. So you're kind of like Trump, you don't believe the CIA, FBI and other intel agencies?

[philosslayer]

41. I didn't on the whole issue of WMDs in Iraq

Did you?

[brush]

43. No, different deal. Trump supporter are you?

[philosslayer]

44. Why is it a different deal?

[uponit7771]

19. no... no, 16 agencies said there was a hack of the DNC .... period... come on man

[oasis]

22. Over a dozen U.S. Intelligence agencies confirm there was hacking by

Russia AND....AND there was no way Putin could not have known. Furthermore, there is no doubt within the intelligence community that the hacking occurred with Putin's blessing.

[Exilednight]

24. they haven't confirmed it, they have intelligence to

lead them to believe it was Russia.

The original Intel lead them to Brit was Romania until they noticed a few things out of whack. An Intel member stated on NPR that based on the evidence they have that if this were a bank robbery they wouldn't have evidence to bring charges. It's all circumstantial.

[Justice]

30. That is simply not true. Very strong evidence that it is Russia - and Putin

[Rage4Bacon]

40. Not to mention its fairly easy to impersonate a country on the web...

I work in the IT security industry and I can tell you how easy this is to stage.

Hack into a local Russian machine, use malware known to be tied to prior Russian hacking, then jump off to the DNC and install said malware and boom... instant framing. We saw the US use similar tactics in the Russian-Afghanistan war, when we purchased Russian weapons on the black market and fed them back to the rebels. I've learned long ago to not trust what any country's intelligence agency tells the public.

That said, I'm not saying they didn't hack the US... I'm sure they did at some point, but I can say with almost absolute certainty that it's impossible to validate this 100%. Everyone could be playing right into the hands of a Chinese or North Korean hacker or who knows what...

[KittyWampus]

48. Yeah sure, you work in IT and it's easy to impersonate a country on the web LOLOLOL

Just the fact you wrote THAT makes me skeptical you work in IT security in any meaningful way.

The hackers originally used a few Cyrillic characters and went back in and changed it.

That was one clue.

[Rage4Bacon]

52. I saw the article referring to that.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-russia-theory-idUSKCN10801S

"These experts - who said they have examined the breach in detail - said the Cyrillic characters were buried in metadata and in an error message. Other giveaways, such as a tainted Internet protocol address, also were difficult to find."

Tainted addresses difficult to find? Really? The fact you think that it's difficult to compromise and proxy off "addresses" is hilarious as well as the simple substitution of Cryillic characters. Nation/state hacking departments have some of the brightest people on the planet working for them. The character substitution is trivial and again does not prove anything conclusively. I would expect nothing less given the sophistication of prior nation/state attacks and it would also be expected if someone had used Russian malware (which anyone can download freely on the web). I would stick to whatever it is you do, because you obviously know nothing about computers.

[Exilednight]

45. they have evidence, but they don't have conformation. if someone said otherwise, please post it.

[Rage4Bacon]

53. Exactly my point...

Confirmation is almost impossible in these cases. I give equal odds that the Russians hacked it vs someone wanting to appear as Russian hackers. It's trivial to fake.

[doc03]

31. The CIA, FBI and Obama say the Russians did it. The only

people I have heard say it isn't so is Trump all his surrogates and Putin.

[KittyWampus]

47. It has been verified, so stop spreading disinformation on DU.

[radical noodle]

27. Greenwald might as well join JPR

[Tarheel_Dem]

4. You can't believe anything out of that lying, thieving asshole. He'll side with Putin over Obama....

everytime.

[JHan]

5. It's Glenn Greenwald.

[adigal]

6. OK, i dont know anything about Greenwald

But that Ari asshole agreed woth hispremise, which is blatantly false.

I thought I was listening to Fox News during that section.

[doc03]

7. Same here, just as well eliminate MSNBC and CNN nt

[emulatorloo]

15. Indeed, Greenwald has been pushing the same fact-free nonsense on Fox.

[skylucy]

8. I watched the same interview and couldn't believe what I was hearing either.

With Democrats like Greenwald, who needs Republicans? Geez. I know nothing about Greenwald. Why would he try to torpedo the efforts to get to the bottom of the Russian hacking?

[dionysus]

23. Greenwald is not a dem. He's a supposed liberal independant,

but hisnhistory is as a libertarian.

[WhiteTara]

9. he's another Putin pet.

A hater of democracy and lover of oligarchy.

[Trumpocalypse]

10. Greenwald was a support of the Iraq war

He is no friend to the left.

[itsrobert]

12. He is likely on KGB payroll

Snowden probably helping too. They were trying to blackmail Obama and Clinton to get pardons for Snowden and Chelsea.

[emulatorloo]

13. Greenwald and Tucker Carlson agree. That should tell you something.

They are both know-nothing's with an axe to grind. Greenwald isn't acting in good faith.

[mcar]

14. Greenwald is a Putinista

And a hack.

[Madam45for2923]

16. More reasons to investigate.

[adigal]

20. Yes!! This is much more tied in to Trump than they are saying nt

[Dawson Leery]

21. Greeenwald has his loyalties and they are not to the west and progressive ideals.

[Lil Missy]

28. Well, maybe he is not privy to the results of Intelligence that say they do have proof.

The world does not revolve around this prick.

[duffyduff]

29. Greenwald's reputation has long been in the sewer.

He is no hero.

[HoneyBadger]

32. The whole idea that a stealthly super hacker named Cozy Bear is Russian

Just seemed so inept.

And to play devil's advocate, Crowdstrike (as well as MacAfee where Crowdstrike's management started) need a big bad to move products and services.

[Adrahil]

33. Well, mistake one: Listening to Greenwald.

He has a HUGE agenda. He's going to say what he thinks advances that agenda.

[MoonRiver]

34. Why do you listen to those fools?

[Yavin4]

35. Glenn Greenwald created a straw man argument.

He argued that people shouldn't believe the CIA without evidence, and that's not what people are calling for. What they are calling for is an independent investigation of the matter.

[MineralMan]

36. Why would anyone trust a word Greenwald says?

I don't get that in any way. He is not on our side and never has been. He functions as a disrupter whenever possible. He has been one of the leading detractors of President Obama since he took office, and has aided and abetted others who come from the same mold.

He is not and has not been a reliable reporter of anything. Why pay an attention to him?

[Starry Messenger]

37. He makes his living off those hacks.

He's just protecting his paycheck.

[NastyRiffraff]

38. You missed "It's Greenwald"

so it can't be true. Greenwald is a Hillary hater, a Democratic Party Hater, and sometimes an Obama hater. I believe absolutely nothing he says. Often the truth is the exact opposite of what he says.

[DanTex]

39. Greenwald is a pro-Putin propagandist. He has no credibility.

The president and congress have indeed been briefed by intelligence agencies, all of which have found that the Russians are behind the hacks. Greenwald is either lying or he is dumb. And I don't think he's dumb.

[adigal]

42. Thank you - I didnt know anything about Greenwald, bit it was MSNBC

So i was totally confused.

[jfern]

49. So you trust the people who said there were Iraq WMD?

[Mike Nelson]

51. This guy...

...Greenwald has been observant - and maybe even involved - with the network of people providing the connection tissue from Trump to Putin. I am surprised he hasn't been able to connect the dots. He certainly seems intelligent enough.