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Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:48 PM

 

I continue to believe tRump will not be the next president...

what are the remaining ways to keep him from taking office? What do you think the events to prevent him from taking office will look like?

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Reply I continue to believe tRump will not be the next president... (Original post)
Joe941 Dec 2016 OP
meadowlark5 Dec 2016 #1
Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #33
dionysus Jan 2017 #71
DarleenMB Jan 2017 #83
citood Dec 2016 #2
Joe941 Dec 2016 #4
PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #7
Joe941 Dec 2016 #14
onenote Dec 2016 #49
totodeinhere Dec 2016 #46
TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #3
2naSalit Jan 2017 #80
DesertRat Dec 2016 #5
Joe941 Dec 2016 #9
DesertRat Dec 2016 #18
treestar Dec 2016 #25
DesertRat Dec 2016 #29
Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #62
Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #73
Kotya Dec 2016 #32
Yurovsky Dec 2016 #54
PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #6
hadEnuf Dec 2016 #8
Post removed Dec 2016 #10
MFM008 Dec 2016 #12
woodsprite Dec 2016 #11
MFM008 Dec 2016 #13
totodeinhere Dec 2016 #47
Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #86
PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #15
2naSalit Jan 2017 #82
dawnie51 Dec 2016 #16
Joe941 Dec 2016 #22
cwydro Dec 2016 #23
Amishman Dec 2016 #17
anarch Dec 2016 #39
Amishman Dec 2016 #42
redwitch Jan 2017 #81
Yupster Dec 2016 #19
meow2u3 Dec 2016 #20
mvd Dec 2016 #21
SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #35
mvd Dec 2016 #36
LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #24
get the red out Jan 2017 #78
Name removed Dec 2016 #26
nancy1942 Dec 2016 #27
HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #28
jmg257 Dec 2016 #30
Joe941 Jan 2017 #57
jmg257 Jan 2017 #58
Amishman Jan 2017 #60
onenote Jan 2017 #61
okieinpain Dec 2016 #31
ucrdem Dec 2016 #34
Joe941 Dec 2016 #37
SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #38
onenote Dec 2016 #44
Joe941 Dec 2016 #45
onenote Dec 2016 #48
onenote Dec 2016 #40
SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #41
onenote Dec 2016 #43
sarisataka Dec 2016 #50
dreamland Dec 2016 #51
standingtall Dec 2016 #52
Joe941 Dec 2016 #56
FSogol Jan 2017 #59
True_Blue Dec 2016 #53
ucrdem Dec 2016 #55
Vinca Jan 2017 #63
24601 Jan 2017 #64
Lurks Often Jan 2017 #65
Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #66
Tanuki Jan 2017 #67
get the red out Jan 2017 #79
Joe941 Jan 2017 #68
SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #69
sweetapogee Jan 2017 #70
Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #74
Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #72
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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:51 PM

1. The only way is if the republicans decide he's a liability

and impeach him. They have a list of impeachable offenses to choose from.

They may already consider him a problem and a liability but have to handle this carefully so as not to anger the deplorables.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #1)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:15 PM

33. He'd have to be POTUS to be impeached...can't preimpeach

 

and there's that pesky conviction deal in the Senate...President Clinton was impeached but not convicted.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:37 AM

71. A) no they don't. He hasn't taken office B)they wouldn't do it anyhow

This shit is getting nutty as the repukes screaming impeachment over obama.

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Response to meadowlark5 (Reply #1)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:42 PM

83. The deplorable are a minority

And if the jackasses in Congress don't know this then they really REALLY deserved to be thrown out of office.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:51 PM

2. I believe those in congress can question the validity of the electors in each state

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Response to citood (Reply #2)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:58 PM

4. I too thought this might be a good way to prevent it.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #4)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:05 PM

7. That happened in 2001 over Florida....

But they needed 1 Senator to join the House members to make the challenge constitutional and they didn't
get a Senator to join in, see:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/07/us/over-some-objections-congress-certifies-electoral-vote.html

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #7)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:26 PM

14. Why couldn't they get a senator?

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #14)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:28 PM

49. The problem isn't getting a Senator, it's having the objection upheld

First, it is far from clear that an objection based on the claim that the vote was "rigged" in a particular state provides an actionable basis for Congress to reject an elector (or slate of electors). That's because Federal law provides that if a state, under its established statutory procedure, has made a “final determination of any controversy or contest” relative to the presidential election in the state, and if that determination was completed under this procedure at least six days before the electors were scheduled to vote (i.e. December 13, 2016), such determination is to be considered “conclusive” as to which electors were appointed on election day (3 U.S.C. §5).

Second, even if the law permits the Congress to consider an objection based on alleged vote rigging, upholding an objection requires a majority vote in both the Senate and House. If only one chamber upholds the objection, the objection fails. The chances of getting the Republican majority House and the Republican majority senate to throw out the electoral votes of enough states to deny Trump the required 270 are basically zero. Keep in mind that Republicans were elected to Congress in those same states and the Repub party isn't going to anything to cast doubt on the validity of the election Repub members of the House and Senate.

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Response to citood (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:33 PM

46. Any senator could delay the process by objecting but it would take a majority vote

to actually pull if off and that won't happen. We need to get over these fantasies that Trump can be stopped. He cannot. After the recount and faithless electors debacles we should realize that. It's over.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:56 PM

3. ...



TYY

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Response to TeeYiYi (Reply #3)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:33 PM

80. Our future if we don't stop this madness...

but it's probably too late anyway.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:00 PM

5. At this point, it's up to the Republicans to impeach

Otherwise he will be the next president. What are your thoughts on the remaining options?

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #5)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:08 PM

9. Maybe the people of America will rise up and put an end to this nightmare!

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #9)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 05:11 PM

18. Not sure how that could be accomplished at this point

But, I think that we can and should appeal to any reasonable Republicans to investigate the Russian connection and to block some of his appointments.

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #18)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 01:42 PM

25. Well I guess Bernie could

Finally lead his revolution. Where is he ?

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Response to treestar (Reply #25)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:20 PM

29. Out on a book tour, I think

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Response to DesertRat (Reply #29)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:08 PM

62. Lol

 

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Response to treestar (Reply #25)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:15 PM

73. haha...very funny.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #9)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:45 PM

32. As long as there's food on the shelves...

 

...gas in the tank and football on TV, America isn't going to rise up.

We're complacent like that.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #9)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:39 AM

54. Careful with what you suggest...

government goons might pay you a visit. Trust me, I know...

And I believe the threshold for said "visits" will be extremely low under the Trump regime... be careful out there folks...

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:02 PM

6. Someone could come up with an offer of $10 billion dollars, that might do it. n/t

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:06 PM

8. The GOP doesn't care what Trump does to America and Americans.

They care about their agenda. End. Of. Story.

As long as Trump allows them to get away with what they want, they will let him get away with what he wants.

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Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:21 PM

12. Sanders would have lost as well

our side needs to quit nominating jerky and brings in people with fresh blood.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:19 PM

11. I think we're down to getting him to tweet with enough outrage that he pops an aneurysm

I think it's going to have to be a physical health crisis, because a mental health crisis is obviously not working. Everybody just keep enabling him.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:23 PM

13. So do i

When I say drop dead this is what I mean.
Even though his insistence on private security is folly AND use of his own plane.

There are many paths to his untimely end.

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Response to MFM008 (Reply #13)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:36 PM

47. Even if that happened it would get us Pence who in many ways is arguably

worse than Trump.

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Response to totodeinhere (Reply #47)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 02:29 PM

86. He is not worse...and we already in effect have Pence and all the corruption of Trump.

Pence is unlikely to get us nuked...Trump not sure.

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #11)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:28 PM

15. All that McDonalds' food he apparently consumes probably doesn't constitute a healthy diet. n/t

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Response to woodsprite (Reply #11)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:36 PM

82. Interesting you should mention that...

When I was getting up (for the fourth time since I haven't been able to sleep since early November) the very same thought came to me.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:29 PM

16. The cavalry is not coming......

I have no hope.

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Response to dawnie51 (Reply #16)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:12 AM

22. tRump will not be the next president - guaranteed!

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #22)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:30 AM

23. Dude.

You're dreaming.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:35 PM

17. Here are the possibilities that I can think of

Yellowstone supervolcano eruption
False vacuum collapse
Gamma ray burst
Grey goo
Captain Trips (or the lethal pandemic of your choice)
Zombie apocalypse
Reality dysfunction (ala Peter Hamilton)
Strangelet chain reaction
Nuclear war
Giant meteor
Eta Carinae hypernova
Solar superstorm
Canary Islands or Hawaiian islands megatsunami
Alien invasion
The Rapture
Ragnarok

All of these are about as probable as the House rejecting the Electoral college results or SCOTUS intervention

I guess Trump dropping dead would also keep him from office, but I wouldn't count on that either.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #17)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:04 AM

39. most of those things (realistic/likely or not) would just be an excuse for martial law

to be imposed. On whatever was left of the population, that is.

I think it's highly probable that there will be some kind of major catastrophe under the new administration's tenure; I am not optimistic as to how it (whatever it ends up being) will be handled.

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Response to anarch (Reply #39)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:39 PM

42. Maybe, I was mostly having fun making a list of all the ways the world could end

False vacuum collapse might be my favorite.

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Response to Amishman (Reply #17)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:33 PM

81. You forgot cthulhu. nt

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:00 PM

19. He could have a heart attack

He is 70 years old.

That's about all I can think of.

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Response to Yupster (Reply #19)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:09 PM

20. A heart attack is highly likely

given his eating habits. Fast food practically every meal is a heart attack waiting to happen.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Tue Dec 20, 2016, 11:49 PM

21. There is a month for the Russia story to really gain steam

Trump also has other baggage, but that is the one likely to take off. Hope for resignation before taking office, electoral college being rejected, the Supreme Court getting involved, and the last one is likely impossible - but I would sure enjoy it. Obama declares an emergency due to the Russia situation and stays in power. That one is almost certainly dreaming, but I would love seeing Trump's face then.

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Response to mvd (Reply #21)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:51 PM

35. Not only dreaming

totally unconstitutional.

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #35)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:31 PM

36. Could try Martial Law, but that does sound like something Trump/the Repukes

would try and not us. It's really just a dream since there is no war or National Disaster. Boy I wish it could happen. But we have respect for democracy unlike the Repukes.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:43 AM

24. You are deluding yourself, or working through the 5 stages. Twitler will be sworn in

 

and he will nuke something...because he wants to be a war time president

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Response to LaydeeBug (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:21 PM

78. Makes sense

I believe he will be President, but his shit will catch up with him and he might not finish his term. This man has so much damning shit out there!

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:45 PM

27. Dream on.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:51 PM

28. The next 4 weeks are a push

 

The old guard is packing and the new guard is shopping.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:31 PM

30. 2 ways remain - slim and none...Figure none has the edge.

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #30)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 11:41 AM

57. It is being reported that up to 50 trump electoral voters were illegitimate.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:37 PM

58. Why? nt

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:36 PM

60. How would that change anything?

If the voters were replaced, the new ones would come from the same pool of Trump zealots.

If they aren't replaced, it goes to the House, who pick Trump.

Nothing changes.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #57)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:59 PM

61. According to a group whose research and conclusions are almost certainly questionable

A quick review of their "findings" shows multiple mis-interpretations of state law. Plus, they suggest, but don't quantify that the same issues exist with respect to Clinton electors.

Tempest in a teapot.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:21 PM

34. If he makes it to February I'll be very surprised.

And if I were advising Mr T I'd say beware the Ides of March.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 09:48 AM

37. There is talk about challenging the electoral college votes...

 

so don't lose hope yet.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:57 AM

38. Cool

The votes get challenged, and the Republican House and the Republican Senate reject the challenges, so the votes stand.

Next idea?

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #37)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:42 PM

44. Talk by whom?

Challenged on what basis?

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Response to onenote (Reply #44)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 02:41 PM

45. That the votes are rigged.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #45)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:16 PM

48. Such a challenge has zero chance of succeeding

There is no way the repubs will support a challenge on that basis. Remember, republican members of Congress got elected to the Senate and/or House in the States where "rigged" vote counting claims would provide the basis for a challenge. Plus, if someone starts down this road, what would stop the repubs from challenging California (based on Trump's absurd claim that he actually won that state if you don't count the millions of votes cast illegally for Clinton)?

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:49 PM

40. Well, some people believe we didn't land on the moon and others believe in Santa Claus

So I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find those who believe in fantasies here on DU.

He's going to be inaugurated as president.
He's not going to be impeached, not soon, not later.

Better to lose sleep facing reality than sleep like a baby dreaming about the magic pony that will come save us from him.

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Response to onenote (Reply #40)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:13 PM

41. Um, it's not a magic pony

It's a magic unicorn, and it farts pixie dust.

**edited for spelling

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #41)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:41 PM

43. Thanks for the correction!

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:55 PM

50. There is one way...

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:01 PM

51. If ever I get stuck on a sinking ship...

then I will really want someone like you to be there too because you have hope that we'll be rescued. Quite unfortunately, the Repukes are the only ones on the lifeboat ... rowing away. It's so depressing.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:00 AM

52. There is only one way

that doesn't involve were congress gets to either keep Trump or install Pence. That would be the supreme court. Some argue they don't have the constitutional authority to order a re-election or install a President themselves. I think they have the authority to order a re-vote or install a President if they wish. May not be anything in the constitution dealing with re-elections,but there is also nothing in the constitution forbidden such a thing either.

Lets be clear though it's not going to happen.

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Response to standingtall (Reply #52)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:46 AM

56. Oh it will happen - there is no way tRump is going to be president.

 

I refuse to believe that.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #56)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:48 PM

59. WOOT! Still at first stage?



5 Stages of Grief

denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:09 AM

53. I hope you're right

But I'm not very hopeful.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:04 AM

55. There are hundreds if not thousands who can pull the damn plug any time they want to.

Election officials who know where the ballots are buried so to speak. Will they? History has shown that common sense, Occam's razor and other wise saws do not describe GOP pathology and that thousands can and do take their dirty secrets to their graves with none the wiser about their connection to Jack, Bobbie, Martin etc.

What's slightly different this time is the religious element, i.e. the cognitive dissonance required to believe that Trump is some kind of Christian warrior. Maybe he's capable of shutting his yap for four years but it's doubtful and sooner or later he's going to offend the conscience of one of those Indiana apparatchiks and with any luck their tearful confession will hit the twittersphere before the VRWC can kill it.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:38 PM

63. He'll be sworn in, but the GOP is probably planning his impeachment already.

Install Pence, move Ryan to VP and all is reset in Deplorable World again.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2017, 09:01 AM

64. I know a completely legal and foolproof way that President Obama can ensure Trump never becomes

the 45th President.

If he resigns, Joe Biden can take the oath and will be the 45th. Trump would still be sworn in on 20 January, but he would be the 46th. All the T shirts & hats would be wrong. And Joe would get better perks for life.

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Response to 24601 (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 6, 2017, 10:33 AM

65. Lol. Go to your room!!! :P

 

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Response to 24601 (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 6, 2017, 04:24 PM

66. I actually like that idea! n/t

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Jan 6, 2017, 04:39 PM

67. He will be inaugurated, but his "high crimes and misdemeanors" will catch up with him

eventually, and he will be forced from office. The events of Watergate took a couple of years to unfold and reach a tipping point. Trump's misdeeds are much more varied and numerous, and his presidency will collapse under the weight of the plethora of evidence of corruption and his sheer incompetence and inability to meet the minimal demands of the office. Pence, of couse, is a bastard hybrid of theocracy and libertarian extremism, and his presidency will be a nightmare for civilization in its own right.

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #67)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:23 PM

79. I agree with you

And hope that Pence would be damaged by just being Trump's VP, and that the Reps would find themselves in a bit of chaos. These people are just bad.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Jan 12, 2017, 10:07 AM

68. After yesterday's debacle I am very confident tRump will

 

not be the next president.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #68)

Thu Jan 12, 2017, 08:00 PM

69. What's going to stop him? n/t

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Response to SickOfTheOnePct (Reply #69)

Thu Jan 12, 2017, 08:13 PM

70. simple...

magic!

Your not a believer?

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #68)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:16 PM

74. Yesterday, was just more bullshit...

Senators getting in the paper...many who plan to run in 2020.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:12 PM

72. There are no ways to stop him.

If he is alive, and I see no reason he won't be...he will be sworn in on January 20th, 2017...a date that shall live in infamy...perhaps the beginning of the end of this country.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #72)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:15 PM

75. Why would we give up this country to easily?

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #75)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 02:27 PM

85. I am not giving up ...calling my reps etc.

But we have no real power in DC now...that is the reality. What do you think we can do? The house worries more about primaries than elections with the gerrymander and the Senate is not really that risky for the GOP in 18 unless we somehow get a wave election. I am going to the Woman's march...and working here in Ohio as well...but in order to fix something you must view it realistically...this election was a disaster. There is no silver lining.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:16 PM

76. The reps won't do anything

As long as trump plays along with whatever they want.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:17 PM

77. In the immortal words of Carole King

It's too late, baby, it's too late.

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:41 PM

84. A flying saucer appears while he's outside, beams him aboard, then

sets off for interstellar space. Barring that, I fear we're stuck with him.


Of course if that happens, my first question is "How much money does he owe THOSE guys?".

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 05:17 PM

87. I wonder how this is going to play out...

 

can't let tRump take office!

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Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Thu Jan 19, 2017, 06:34 PM

88. I feel the same. I keep wondering if a patriot will step up and leak info

 

On Russia. I KNOW his campaign was involved with Russia. Treason.

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