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I continue to believe tRump will not be the next president... (Original Post) Joe941 Dec 2016 OP
The only way is if the republicans decide he's a liability meadowlark5 Dec 2016 #1
He'd have to be POTUS to be impeached...can't preimpeach Uggwearingdad Dec 2016 #33
A) no they don't. He hasn't taken office B)they wouldn't do it anyhow dionysus Jan 2017 #71
The deplorable are a minority DarleenMB Jan 2017 #83
I believe those in congress can question the validity of the electors in each state citood Dec 2016 #2
I too thought this might be a good way to prevent it. Joe941 Dec 2016 #4
That happened in 2001 over Florida.... PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #7
Why couldn't they get a senator? Joe941 Dec 2016 #14
The problem isn't getting a Senator, it's having the objection upheld onenote Dec 2016 #49
Any senator could delay the process by objecting but it would take a majority vote totodeinhere Dec 2016 #46
... TeeYiYi Dec 2016 #3
Our future if we don't stop this madness... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #80
At this point, it's up to the Republicans to impeach DesertRat Dec 2016 #5
Maybe the people of America will rise up and put an end to this nightmare! Joe941 Dec 2016 #9
Not sure how that could be accomplished at this point DesertRat Dec 2016 #18
Well I guess Bernie could treestar Dec 2016 #25
Out on a book tour, I think DesertRat Dec 2016 #29
Lol Grey Lemercier Jan 2017 #62
haha...very funny. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #73
As long as there's food on the shelves... Kotya Dec 2016 #32
Careful with what you suggest... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #54
Someone could come up with an offer of $10 billion dollars, that might do it. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #6
The GOP doesn't care what Trump does to America and Americans. hadEnuf Dec 2016 #8
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #10
Sanders would have lost as well MFM008 Dec 2016 #12
I think we're down to getting him to tweet with enough outrage that he pops an aneurysm woodsprite Dec 2016 #11
So do i MFM008 Dec 2016 #13
Even if that happened it would get us Pence who in many ways is arguably totodeinhere Dec 2016 #47
He is not worse...and we already in effect have Pence and all the corruption of Trump. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #86
All that McDonalds' food he apparently consumes probably doesn't constitute a healthy diet. n/t PoliticAverse Dec 2016 #15
Interesting you should mention that... 2naSalit Jan 2017 #82
The cavalry is not coming...... dawnie51 Dec 2016 #16
tRump will not be the next president - guaranteed! Joe941 Dec 2016 #22
Dude. cwydro Dec 2016 #23
Here are the possibilities that I can think of Amishman Dec 2016 #17
most of those things (realistic/likely or not) would just be an excuse for martial law anarch Dec 2016 #39
Maybe, I was mostly having fun making a list of all the ways the world could end Amishman Dec 2016 #42
You forgot cthulhu. nt redwitch Jan 2017 #81
He could have a heart attack Yupster Dec 2016 #19
A heart attack is highly likely meow2u3 Dec 2016 #20
There is a month for the Russia story to really gain steam mvd Dec 2016 #21
Not only dreaming SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #35
Could try Martial Law, but that does sound like something Trump/the Repukes mvd Dec 2016 #36
You are deluding yourself, or working through the 5 stages. Twitler will be sworn in LaydeeBug Dec 2016 #24
Makes sense get the red out Jan 2017 #78
Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2016 #26
Dream on. nancy1942 Dec 2016 #27
The next 4 weeks are a push HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #28
2 ways remain - slim and none...Figure none has the edge. jmg257 Dec 2016 #30
It is being reported that up to 50 trump electoral voters were illegitimate. Joe941 Jan 2017 #57
Why? nt jmg257 Jan 2017 #58
How would that change anything? Amishman Jan 2017 #60
According to a group whose research and conclusions are almost certainly questionable onenote Jan 2017 #61
lol, hang in there baby. okieinpain Dec 2016 #31
If he makes it to February I'll be very surprised. ucrdem Dec 2016 #34
There is talk about challenging the electoral college votes... Joe941 Dec 2016 #37
Cool SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #38
Talk by whom? onenote Dec 2016 #44
That the votes are rigged. Joe941 Dec 2016 #45
Such a challenge has zero chance of succeeding onenote Dec 2016 #48
Well, some people believe we didn't land on the moon and others believe in Santa Claus onenote Dec 2016 #40
Um, it's not a magic pony SickOfTheOnePct Dec 2016 #41
Thanks for the correction! onenote Dec 2016 #43
There is one way... sarisataka Dec 2016 #50
If ever I get stuck on a sinking ship... dreamland Dec 2016 #51
There is only one way standingtall Dec 2016 #52
Oh it will happen - there is no way tRump is going to be president. Joe941 Dec 2016 #56
WOOT! Still at first stage? FSogol Jan 2017 #59
I hope you're right True_Blue Dec 2016 #53
There are hundreds if not thousands who can pull the damn plug any time they want to. ucrdem Dec 2016 #55
He'll be sworn in, but the GOP is probably planning his impeachment already. Vinca Jan 2017 #63
I know a completely legal and foolproof way that President Obama can ensure Trump never becomes 24601 Jan 2017 #64
Lol. Go to your room!!! :P Lurks Often Jan 2017 #65
I actually like that idea! n/t Ms. Toad Jan 2017 #66
He will be inaugurated, but his "high crimes and misdemeanors" will catch up with him Tanuki Jan 2017 #67
I agree with you get the red out Jan 2017 #79
After yesterday's debacle I am very confident tRump will Joe941 Jan 2017 #68
What's going to stop him? n/t SickOfTheOnePct Jan 2017 #69
simple... sweetapogee Jan 2017 #70
Yesterday, was just more bullshit... Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #74
There are no ways to stop him. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #72
Why would we give up this country to easily? Joe941 Jan 2017 #75
I am not giving up ...calling my reps etc. Demsrule86 Jan 2017 #85
The reps won't do anything blue cat Jan 2017 #76
In the immortal words of Carole King CanonRay Jan 2017 #77
A flying saucer appears while he's outside, beams him aboard, then Vogon_Glory Jan 2017 #84
I wonder how this is going to play out... Joe941 Jan 2017 #87
I feel the same. I keep wondering if a patriot will step up and leak info adigal Jan 2017 #88

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
1. The only way is if the republicans decide he's a liability
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:51 PM
Dec 2016

and impeach him. They have a list of impeachable offenses to choose from.

They may already consider him a problem and a liability but have to handle this carefully so as not to anger the deplorables.

 

Uggwearingdad

(78 posts)
33. He'd have to be POTUS to be impeached...can't preimpeach
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:15 PM
Dec 2016

and there's that pesky conviction deal in the Senate...President Clinton was impeached but not convicted.

dionysus

(26,467 posts)
71. A) no they don't. He hasn't taken office B)they wouldn't do it anyhow
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 09:37 AM
Jan 2017

This shit is getting nutty as the repukes screaming impeachment over obama.

DarleenMB

(408 posts)
83. The deplorable are a minority
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:42 PM
Jan 2017

And if the jackasses in Congress don't know this then they really REALLY deserved to be thrown out of office.

PoliticAverse

(26,366 posts)
7. That happened in 2001 over Florida....
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:05 PM
Dec 2016

But they needed 1 Senator to join the House members to make the challenge constitutional and they didn't
get a Senator to join in, see:
http://www.nytimes.com/2001/01/07/us/over-some-objections-congress-certifies-electoral-vote.html

onenote

(42,380 posts)
49. The problem isn't getting a Senator, it's having the objection upheld
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:28 PM
Dec 2016

First, it is far from clear that an objection based on the claim that the vote was "rigged" in a particular state provides an actionable basis for Congress to reject an elector (or slate of electors). That's because Federal law provides that if a state, under its established statutory procedure, has made a “final determination of any controversy or contest” relative to the presidential election in the state, and if that determination was completed under this procedure at least six days before the electors were scheduled to vote (i.e. December 13, 2016), such determination is to be considered “conclusive” as to which electors were appointed on election day (3 U.S.C. §5).

Second, even if the law permits the Congress to consider an objection based on alleged vote rigging, upholding an objection requires a majority vote in both the Senate and House. If only one chamber upholds the objection, the objection fails. The chances of getting the Republican majority House and the Republican majority senate to throw out the electoral votes of enough states to deny Trump the required 270 are basically zero. Keep in mind that Republicans were elected to Congress in those same states and the Repub party isn't going to anything to cast doubt on the validity of the election Repub members of the House and Senate.

totodeinhere

(13,037 posts)
46. Any senator could delay the process by objecting but it would take a majority vote
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 03:33 PM
Dec 2016

to actually pull if off and that won't happen. We need to get over these fantasies that Trump can be stopped. He cannot. After the recount and faithless electors debacles we should realize that. It's over.

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
5. At this point, it's up to the Republicans to impeach
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:00 PM
Dec 2016

Otherwise he will be the next president. What are your thoughts on the remaining options?

DesertRat

(27,995 posts)
18. Not sure how that could be accomplished at this point
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 05:11 PM
Dec 2016

But, I think that we can and should appeal to any reasonable Republicans to investigate the Russian connection and to block some of his appointments.

 

Kotya

(235 posts)
32. As long as there's food on the shelves...
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 06:45 PM
Dec 2016

...gas in the tank and football on TV, America isn't going to rise up.

We're complacent like that.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
54. Careful with what you suggest...
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 08:39 AM
Dec 2016

government goons might pay you a visit. Trust me, I know...

And I believe the threshold for said "visits" will be extremely low under the Trump regime... be careful out there folks...

hadEnuf

(2,150 posts)
8. The GOP doesn't care what Trump does to America and Americans.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:06 PM
Dec 2016

They care about their agenda. End. Of. Story.

As long as Trump allows them to get away with what they want, they will let him get away with what he wants.

Response to Joe941 (Original post)

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
12. Sanders would have lost as well
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:21 PM
Dec 2016

our side needs to quit nominating jerky and brings in people with fresh blood.

woodsprite

(11,854 posts)
11. I think we're down to getting him to tweet with enough outrage that he pops an aneurysm
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:19 PM
Dec 2016

I think it's going to have to be a physical health crisis, because a mental health crisis is obviously not working. Everybody just keep enabling him.

MFM008

(19,776 posts)
13. So do i
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:23 PM
Dec 2016

When I say drop dead this is what I mean.
Even though his insistence on private security is folly AND use of his own plane.

There are many paths to his untimely end.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
86. He is not worse...and we already in effect have Pence and all the corruption of Trump.
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 02:29 PM
Jan 2017

Pence is unlikely to get us nuked...Trump not sure.

2naSalit

(86,059 posts)
82. Interesting you should mention that...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:36 PM
Jan 2017

When I was getting up (for the fourth time since I haven't been able to sleep since early November) the very same thought came to me.

Amishman

(5,541 posts)
17. Here are the possibilities that I can think of
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 04:35 PM
Dec 2016

Yellowstone supervolcano eruption
False vacuum collapse
Gamma ray burst
Grey goo
Captain Trips (or the lethal pandemic of your choice)
Zombie apocalypse
Reality dysfunction (ala Peter Hamilton)
Strangelet chain reaction
Nuclear war
Giant meteor
Eta Carinae hypernova
Solar superstorm
Canary Islands or Hawaiian islands megatsunami
Alien invasion
The Rapture
Ragnarok

All of these are about as probable as the House rejecting the Electoral college results or SCOTUS intervention

I guess Trump dropping dead would also keep him from office, but I wouldn't count on that either.

anarch

(6,535 posts)
39. most of those things (realistic/likely or not) would just be an excuse for martial law
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 11:04 AM
Dec 2016

to be imposed. On whatever was left of the population, that is.

I think it's highly probable that there will be some kind of major catastrophe under the new administration's tenure; I am not optimistic as to how it (whatever it ends up being) will be handled.

Amishman

(5,541 posts)
42. Maybe, I was mostly having fun making a list of all the ways the world could end
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 01:39 PM
Dec 2016

False vacuum collapse might be my favorite.

meow2u3

(24,745 posts)
20. A heart attack is highly likely
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 09:09 PM
Dec 2016

given his eating habits. Fast food practically every meal is a heart attack waiting to happen.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
21. There is a month for the Russia story to really gain steam
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 11:49 PM
Dec 2016

Trump also has other baggage, but that is the one likely to take off. Hope for resignation before taking office, electoral college being rejected, the Supreme Court getting involved, and the last one is likely impossible - but I would sure enjoy it. Obama declares an emergency due to the Russia situation and stays in power. That one is almost certainly dreaming, but I would love seeing Trump's face then.

mvd

(65,148 posts)
36. Could try Martial Law, but that does sound like something Trump/the Repukes
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 11:31 PM
Dec 2016

would try and not us. It's really just a dream since there is no war or National Disaster. Boy I wish it could happen. But we have respect for democracy unlike the Repukes.

 

LaydeeBug

(10,291 posts)
24. You are deluding yourself, or working through the 5 stages. Twitler will be sworn in
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 10:43 AM
Dec 2016

and he will nuke something...because he wants to be a war time president

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
78. Makes sense
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:21 PM
Jan 2017

I believe he will be President, but his shit will catch up with him and he might not finish his term. This man has so much damning shit out there!

Response to Joe941 (Original post)

Amishman

(5,541 posts)
60. How would that change anything?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:36 PM
Jan 2017

If the voters were replaced, the new ones would come from the same pool of Trump zealots.

If they aren't replaced, it goes to the House, who pick Trump.

Nothing changes.

onenote

(42,380 posts)
61. According to a group whose research and conclusions are almost certainly questionable
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 02:59 PM
Jan 2017

A quick review of their "findings" shows multiple mis-interpretations of state law. Plus, they suggest, but don't quantify that the same issues exist with respect to Clinton electors.

Tempest in a teapot.

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
34. If he makes it to February I'll be very surprised.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 08:21 PM
Dec 2016

And if I were advising Mr T I'd say beware the Ides of March.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
38. Cool
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 10:57 AM
Dec 2016

The votes get challenged, and the Republican House and the Republican Senate reject the challenges, so the votes stand.

Next idea?

onenote

(42,380 posts)
48. Such a challenge has zero chance of succeeding
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 06:16 PM
Dec 2016

There is no way the repubs will support a challenge on that basis. Remember, republican members of Congress got elected to the Senate and/or House in the States where "rigged" vote counting claims would provide the basis for a challenge. Plus, if someone starts down this road, what would stop the repubs from challenging California (based on Trump's absurd claim that he actually won that state if you don't count the millions of votes cast illegally for Clinton)?

onenote

(42,380 posts)
40. Well, some people believe we didn't land on the moon and others believe in Santa Claus
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 12:49 PM
Dec 2016

So I guess I shouldn't be surprised to find those who believe in fantasies here on DU.

He's going to be inaugurated as president.
He's not going to be impeached, not soon, not later.

Better to lose sleep facing reality than sleep like a baby dreaming about the magic pony that will come save us from him.

dreamland

(964 posts)
51. If ever I get stuck on a sinking ship...
Thu Dec 22, 2016, 07:01 PM
Dec 2016

then I will really want someone like you to be there too because you have hope that we'll be rescued. Quite unfortunately, the Repukes are the only ones on the lifeboat ... rowing away. It's so depressing.

standingtall

(2,785 posts)
52. There is only one way
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 01:00 AM
Dec 2016

that doesn't involve were congress gets to either keep Trump or install Pence. That would be the supreme court. Some argue they don't have the constitutional authority to order a re-election or install a President themselves. I think they have the authority to order a re-vote or install a President if they wish. May not be anything in the constitution dealing with re-elections,but there is also nothing in the constitution forbidden such a thing either.

Lets be clear though it's not going to happen.

FSogol

(45,357 posts)
59. WOOT! Still at first stage?
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 12:48 PM
Jan 2017


5 Stages of Grief

denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance

ucrdem

(15,512 posts)
55. There are hundreds if not thousands who can pull the damn plug any time they want to.
Fri Dec 23, 2016, 09:04 AM
Dec 2016

Election officials who know where the ballots are buried so to speak. Will they? History has shown that common sense, Occam's razor and other wise saws do not describe GOP pathology and that thousands can and do take their dirty secrets to their graves with none the wiser about their connection to Jack, Bobbie, Martin etc.

What's slightly different this time is the religious element, i.e. the cognitive dissonance required to believe that Trump is some kind of Christian warrior. Maybe he's capable of shutting his yap for four years but it's doubtful and sooner or later he's going to offend the conscience of one of those Indiana apparatchiks and with any luck their tearful confession will hit the twittersphere before the VRWC can kill it.

Vinca

(50,170 posts)
63. He'll be sworn in, but the GOP is probably planning his impeachment already.
Thu Jan 5, 2017, 03:38 PM
Jan 2017

Install Pence, move Ryan to VP and all is reset in Deplorable World again.

24601

(3,940 posts)
64. I know a completely legal and foolproof way that President Obama can ensure Trump never becomes
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 09:01 AM
Jan 2017

the 45th President.

If he resigns, Joe Biden can take the oath and will be the 45th. Trump would still be sworn in on 20 January, but he would be the 46th. All the T shirts & hats would be wrong. And Joe would get better perks for life.

Tanuki

(14,893 posts)
67. He will be inaugurated, but his "high crimes and misdemeanors" will catch up with him
Fri Jan 6, 2017, 04:39 PM
Jan 2017

eventually, and he will be forced from office. The events of Watergate took a couple of years to unfold and reach a tipping point. Trump's misdeeds are much more varied and numerous, and his presidency will collapse under the weight of the plethora of evidence of corruption and his sheer incompetence and inability to meet the minimal demands of the office. Pence, of couse, is a bastard hybrid of theocracy and libertarian extremism, and his presidency will be a nightmare for civilization in its own right.

get the red out

(13,459 posts)
79. I agree with you
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 01:23 PM
Jan 2017

And hope that Pence would be damaged by just being Trump's VP, and that the Reps would find themselves in a bit of chaos. These people are just bad.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
74. Yesterday, was just more bullshit...
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:16 PM
Jan 2017

Senators getting in the paper...many who plan to run in 2020.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
72. There are no ways to stop him.
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 12:12 PM
Jan 2017

If he is alive, and I see no reason he won't be...he will be sworn in on January 20th, 2017...a date that shall live in infamy...perhaps the beginning of the end of this country.

Demsrule86

(68,352 posts)
85. I am not giving up ...calling my reps etc.
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 02:27 PM
Jan 2017

But we have no real power in DC now...that is the reality. What do you think we can do? The house worries more about primaries than elections with the gerrymander and the Senate is not really that risky for the GOP in 18 unless we somehow get a wave election. I am going to the Woman's march...and working here in Ohio as well...but in order to fix something you must view it realistically...this election was a disaster. There is no silver lining.

Vogon_Glory

(9,085 posts)
84. A flying saucer appears while he's outside, beams him aboard, then
Fri Jan 13, 2017, 02:41 PM
Jan 2017

sets off for interstellar space. Barring that, I fear we're stuck with him.


Of course if that happens, my first question is "How much money does he owe THOSE guys?".

 

adigal

(7,581 posts)
88. I feel the same. I keep wondering if a patriot will step up and leak info
Thu Jan 19, 2017, 06:34 PM
Jan 2017

On Russia. I KNOW his campaign was involved with Russia. Treason.

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