And FYI? Voting for a racist asshole makes you a racist asshole. Even if you lost yr job.

[bravenak]

This is for folks RACING to defend Trump voters like they secretly voted for Trump themselves. Stop defending people just because it offend you that calling them out reflects on you personally. It reflects on all of us, but it reflects on those defending this shit way more than those who refuse to pretend that voting for a racist means you were hurt by the economy. Clinton got the working class. His voters made considerably more money so stop with that fake ass bullshit. We are not fooled.

[Squinch]

1. Yes. If you voted for donald the crook, you are either overtly racist and sexist, or

you have unexamined racism and sexism that you don't admit to yourself.

Either way, you're a racist and a sexist.

And enough of this bullshit about how the rust belt is suffering, and people were voting to reduce that suffering. Any factor that constitutes the rust belt's "suffering" (i.e. jobs lost to mechanization, crushing college debt, unaffordable healthcare, unfundable retirement) is a factor that is equally at work in all other areas of the country. And everyone in the rest of the country who is facing the same problems managed not to vote for a bigoted sexist psychopath.

The reason those people voted for donald the crook is that they are sexists and racists, just like he is.

[bravenak]

2. Absolutely

The black rust belt voters are doing far worse. They did not vote for Trump.

[uponit7771]

46. 1, "you have unexamined racism and sexism that you don't admit to yourself." YES !!!!

[rusty fender]

3. Not only are they racist, but cowardly,

anti gay, etc. I don't see how anyone can defend these POSs

[bravenak]

4. It's scary how badly they want to play pretend.

[lunasun]

8. Ain't it ?? and make others feel bad for not playing along

[bravenak]

10. Trying to guilt trip us for simply noticing that Trumps voters are the most racist group this race

I aint never got more racist emails than I have gotten in the past few weeks.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

5. Ouch!!!

That's going to leave a mark.

[bravenak]

7. Hope so. They have seemingly been enjoying themselves.

Time to end that shit right now.

[mcar]

6. 1000!

[Snarkoleptic]

9. Along these lines-

[oasis]

117. This big time

[we can do it]

11. Yes they are.

[Equinox Moon]

12. even those of color that voted trump

[oberliner]

14. Seriously?

They are all racists?

[Grey Lemercier]

35. if you vote to empower racists, that makes you a racist

What part of that is so hard to understand?

[oberliner]

42. An African-American who votes for Trump is racist against African-Americans?

Or against another racial group?

[bravenak]

45. I have seen both

Some think that it's those 'other blacks' who are the real problem, the ones on 'welfare', they say, as they cash their ssi check. Is it bizzarre? Yes. Did they get it honest? Yep. Everywhere they go they hear how lazy we are. They have a "where there's smoke there's fire" view of things, it's not "them" who is lazy and bad. It's those other blacks. They are 'the good ones'. And white people reinforce this belief constantly, especially the republican party. They tell their blacks how special and better than us liberal blacks they are. People love positive reinforcement. Especially when it matches their disgusting shameful worldview. Build the wall a hispanic guy says, or we will have taco trucks on every corner. To him those are bad hispanics making them look bad. I see it all the time.

[MadDAsHell]

53. "Their blacks;" wtf does that mean??? NOONE fuckin owns us. Suggest you self-delete. nt

[bravenak]

54. Ask anne coulter

I got it from her and no i will not delete it. It's how they talk.

[mcar]

56. And DT

Several times called out "his" AA in the crowd.

[bravenak]

58. I watched that too

Sad

[mcar]

61. Yes

And the women who proudly cast their votes for a misogynistic sociopath. I will never understand.

[bravenak]

62. Me neither

I have no empathy for them. They hate other women

[mcar]

65. I know bunches of them here in red FL

Week after the election, when I finally stopped feeling nauseous, I went back to exercise class where they are. Most are older than me, in their early 60s. Random conversation, one mentioned she was a few years from Medicare.

"oh, that's too bad," I said. "It'll be gone next year."

"'They' are going to do that?" She said. I told her it was the plan all along - to repeal the ACA (which she often complained about) and then turn Medicare into something similar; a plan that provides limited subsidies to people to buy private insurance. She looked concerned.

I like the woman but I have no sympathy. It makes me so sad, though.

[bravenak]

66. Keep reminding them of what Trump is going to take

Throw out a throwaway line about, "Welp! Taxes are going up next year!" Then when taxes come in whine about how much your taxes went up, even if they didnt. It's what they do to Democrats. I will be doing it for the next four years everywhere I go.

This week is my medicare is gone week. I plan on complaining about SS next week and talking about buying cat food to 'tide us over' when ramen aint cutting it anymore. If Obama was the food stamp president then Trump will be the cat food president. Then I will cry and moan about that wall not being built for a while. Say he's secretly working with Russia to let Mexico take over. That might get me some hits. I'll keep coming up with shit until something sticks. Might be time to start my own bloggy thingy to rant and make up memes to depress the repub vote.

[mcar]

72. Yep. And if/when the sociopath starts a war

and drafts my baby boys (29 & 19) all bets are off.

[bravenak]

73. He better not even try it

I'll have to start smuggling folks to canada

[mcar]

75. My sister said she'd row the boat

Older son has health issues so he may be ok. I told young son to start researching music schools in Canada and Europe. He's also auditioning for jobs at the various Disney parks overseas (he's a performer at WDW in Orlando).

It's what keeps me awake at night.

[bravenak]

76. I honestly wouldn't put it past Trump and the Repubs to start up a war and a draft

This is going to be a hellacious term.

[mcar]

77. Trump would start a war cause someone was mean to him on Twitter

Dude has the nuclear codes. McConnell and Ryan are megalomaniacs who would trade their mothers/wives/children for power. Not to mention the courts and education.

I continue to think that we are fucked. But Sarandon and her fellow BoBers got their wish of destroying the village. Hope they are happy. And I hope karma is a real thing.

[bravenak]

82. I hope they feel real real good about themselves when Trump starts rounding up muslims and mexicans

They can be proud that they helped make that happen and helped a racist rapist win the Whitehouse. I hope they all discover a preexisting condition once obamacare is gone.

[mcar]

86. They voted their "conscience"

Hope they are happy with their self righteous sanctimony.

On second thought, I hope they drown in it.

[bravenak]

89. I wont throw them any life preservers because my conscience wont allow me to help trumphumpers

[uponit7771]

47. ABSOLUTELY !! Plenty of black people who don't like black culture or black people....

... see Clarence Thomas

[heaven05]

57. slaves told on slaves to their masters

look at Katrina Pierson, Ben Carson, omarousa or whatever that name is and the sprinkling of black faces at trumpfuhrer rallies cheering on their executioner. The white male has always had the ability to divide and conquer. All the guns, drugs brought into the inner cities by reagan proved that. Our pain is always taken out on each other. The ignorant, racist white male DOES NOT know pain, like PoC know pain. Hell every fucking thing was given to them, can't help it if they let it slip through their fingers. Now they know what a majority of PoC have know for generations. The white male does NOT know pain. Now we will have a reason to stop this intrahate bullshit. The New Nazi Party of AmeriKKKa will guarantee that.....

[bravenak]

18. Yep

[Chitown Kev]

25. There's that

there's that 13% of black men that voted for Trump statistic, sure...I even talked to a black male Trump voter....that's a more complicated problem...all of this stuff is rather complex...

(message to bravenak: girrrrrl, you are disturbing my hiatus with all of this TRUTH!)

[oberliner]

13. Do you think every single person who voted for Trump is a racist asshole?

Even those who are African-American or Latino?

[bravenak]

16. My black cousin hates mexicans so he voted for Trump. Yes. Or sexism.

I met plenty of women who saud she should not do a mans job. Black women too can be self-sexist. See it all the time. I know quite a few blacks who wanted the wall because they said mexicans were TAKING THEIR JOBS and got too much welfare. Fucking sad shit right? Yep. Also know hispanics who are legal or citizens who hate immigrants coming across the border 'making us look bad'. Some of them got amnesty in the 80's. My friends's parents. Blew my mind. it is what it is. That's why they could ignore Trump's racism- kindred spirits.

[oberliner]

19. That is disturbing

I think it's easy to forget all the ugliness out there when one generally surrounds oneself with good people.

[bravenak]

20. Yep. And easy to forget the nuances of the intraracial problems we have

When you have the poorest groups ACTUALLY hurting financially over many generations, they start listening to the idea that they would have more if the other minorities got less. We are down to oppressed minorities fighting each other over the crumbs of a single piece of pie when there a whole pie on the table that gets served to others; while they happily eat crumbs, hoping the other guy doesnt even get a crumb to taste. We should start snatching the pie from the guy hoarding the pie but we are too busy making sure that other other dont get no crumbs.

[JCanete]

21. amen, which is why I fear not taking those forces to task, rather than their spawn. nt

[bravenak]

23. The only thing that works on them is when they have no other choice

Once Trump has his own supporters in the streets calling for his blood will we be able to slip some progressive policy through. Best to just wait and whip them up into a frothy mess of anger over him taking their medicare and ss. They hate that shit, we might need to start astroturfing republicans and stop playing so nicey nicey. With 'nonprofit' orgs and superpacs with deceptively republican names to get them to donate to fight their own candidates. I should start one and name it 'Americans for keeping librul hands off my Medicare' superpac.

And we might need to play hardball for the forseeable future. All we need to do is trick them into getting pissed at their own people and sit back and watch the firing squad begin. Wont happen until we stop fighting each other and acting all despondent. We dont even need to lure Trump voters. Just depress their turn out by making them hate trump and you know they love to hate.

[JCanete]

24. I'll contribute! I hate those libruls! nt

[bravenak]

26. Let's start a SUPERPAC!!!!!

I don't know how.
Maybe I should actually research that.

[whopis01]

38. Yes - it is easy to hide from it and forget or ignore it. But it exists. n/t

[oberliner]

43. Huh?

I'm saying that when one is surrounded by good, kind, and progressive people (like here on this board) it's important to remember just how much of the country is not that way.

[whopis01]

44. And I am agreeing with you. n/t

[mythology]

68. The plural of anecdote isn't data

It's kind of hard to argue that the places that voted for Obama in the last two elections to voting for Trump in this election are all racist against black people. Perhaps they all didn't notice Obama is black? Or is the hierarchy to vote for a racist, then vote for a black guy, then vote for a regular Republican?

It's simplistic and easy to label them all racist, but one that inherently puts up a wall that makes people defensive. Telling them they are all racist because they voted for Trump doesn't exactly make them likely to vote Democratic next time. It certainly didn't work out that well this past election.

But also labeling them all racist means you don't have to actually think about how we as a party might need to address different groups in society. You've made it clear that you aren't even willing to consider the notion that your basic assumptions might not be right. It's easy, it's appealing because it means it's all somebody else's fault. Which means that you have no agency as what can you do? Everybody who disagrees with you is racist.

[bravenak]

70. I can argue that voting for an openly racist prick says something about that voters views on race

That they are DEPLORABLE. We as a party lost those people long ago, by supporting equality. Pander to them and lose us. Makes no sense to run after a group of people who did not vote for you and lose the groups that did in the process. If his rhetoric 'won' them? They are unreachable. I have too much pride to beg votes from people who have no probs voting for a guy who wants to deport millions of muslims, or build a wall, or calls mexicans rapists and blacks lazy and has crazy jewish conspiract theorists working for him as advisors. And I tell you true that ignoring that shit and actually voting in favor of it makes a mf a straught up racist.

They have lost the popular vote everytine they won the presidency in the past two decades. Small states are given too much weight and we know that. We can win in the midterms but not by throwing our voters under the bus in order to get voters who want walls between us and mexico and wants muslims deported. See, to get their votes, you have to give up mine and millions if others. Because they RESPONDED TO THE RACISM positively. They liked it. You would need to learn to dogwhistle real real hard to get them.

Hillary won the working class. Trump won the racist/sexist/antisemite/islamaphobe vote. It was never about jobs. The ones voting for jobs voted dem.

[LanternWaste]

131. A most petulant form of merely saying "those who vote for a racist are racist."

"Everybody who disagrees with you is racist."

A most petulant form of merely saying "those who vote for a racist are racist."

[DanTex]

125. Yup. In the history of NYC, and of America, and of the world, you see this happen all the time.

One group of immigrants arrives. They are discriminated against. Then the next group arrives, and the earlier group becomes racist against them, they're taking our jobs, they're uncivilized, blah blah all the same things that were (and still continue to be) said about the first group a few short years ago.

Substitute "Irish" or "Italian" or "Chinese" or any other group. It's a pattern.

[lark]

30. Yes they are both racists and misogynists or idiots.

My daughter's friend who is in the National Guard voted for drumpf even though she has a Down's Syndrome child. That's what I call special stupid. Oh and get this, she's mad that people tell her that drumpf hates disabled and that she harmed her own child. Think that pisses her off so much because it's 100% true and I only feel sorry for her daughter, not her, when there's no public school and no private schools that will take her daughter when she's school age.

My boss, who acts like a normal human being, has a Masters, and shows no signs of being racist, is still and idiot because she said Clinton's crimes were worse than drumpfs and voted for facism. Republicanism has rotted her brain and she's an idiot too and a big part of the reason I will be retiring early.

[uponit7771]

48. ABSOLUTELY !! Plenty of black people who don't like black culture or black people....

[DemocratSinceBirth]

106. Here is a message I sent to Behind The Aegis which sheds some light on the phenomenon.

As you know I am part Jewish. Every single one of my Jewish American friends are anti-Trump and virulently so. Ironically many of the Israeli ex pats in America I meet are pro-Trump. That disappoints me !!! The research suggests Israelis were pretty split on Trump and Clinton with slightly more favoring her. However almost every Israeli I met who has emigrated to America likes Trump. I try to tell them they are allying themselves with someone who is embraced by anti-semites and white nationalists.

I have a lot of secular Muslim friends ( oxymoron) . They are attached to Islam in the same loose way that many Jews are, because they were born into a Jewish home. We joke how Trump has bought Muslims and Jews together.


__________________________________________

This wasn't in my my original message.

No group is monolithic. There are always lost individuals who vote against the interest of the groups they belong to. Hillary beat Trump 74-19 among Jewish Americans. She walloped him. Most of us can see a bigot a mile away !!!. We know in our kishkes someone who doesn't like blacks, Hispanics, Muslims, gays, et cetera probably doesn't like us very much either. Yet 19% of Jewish Americans allied themselves with a man whose followers post memes of Trump leading his Jewish opponents into gas chambers.

[Lucky Luciano]

15. I put fuhrer voters in two buckets.

Bucket 1) the outright racists.
Bucket 2) the passive racists - i.e. "His policies won't affect me personally in a negative way, but may affect other races. Hmm how dreadful...well, can't worry too much about it I guess!"

[bravenak]

17. Me too

[gordianot]

22. The original fuhrer got no more than 1/3 of the votes of 1932.

Number of votes mean nothing to true fascist and Trump meets that description.

[HassleCat]

27. Really?

Does voting for a feminist make me a feminist? Does voting for a progressive make me a progressive? I guess you see where I'm going with this. People are more complicated than we sometimes like to admit.

[bravenak]

28. No thats dumb

[lark]

31. Voting pro-feminist and pro-progressive doesn't make you a feminist or progressive per se.

It does mean that you absolutely support both of those policies/practices. Same with people who support racists, misogynists and haters by voting for drumpf.

[Exilednight]

74. It doesn't mean you "absolutely support both of those policies/practices"

People are much more complicated than just putting them in nice little boxes because they voted for someone who happens support a position they don't necessarily agree with.

I've voted for many politicians that I don't agree 100% of their policies/practices. In fact, I have voted for pols where I completely disagree with a many positions/practices they may hold.

Attacking Trump is one thing, I can get a 100% behind it, but going after someone's supporters because you want to lump them all in a group shows a lack of intelligence.

Call out a racist when you see a racist, but don't attack someone because their friends with them.
Call out a misogynist when you see a misogynist, but don't attack his wife for marrying him.

[mountain grammy]

29. K&R

[heaven05]

32. and the truth

will set some free, the others will remain pretenders and continue to obfuscate around the fact that all who voted for the new fuhrer had making ameriKKKa white again as a priority. The fact that trumpfuhrer voters were making quite a bit more money than the ameriKKKan media was trying to feed the americans who wanted talking points to cover their racist motives was commented on all the time. Limbaugh and the rest of RW media, CNN, FOX(Hannity)most of MSNBC talking heads fed their people listening nothing but raw red meat that others were at fault, PoC, Muslims, Hispanic immigrants, for the white mans pain. The people who voted for the neworange fuhrer are the racist core of the 48%+of white men and women that have always wanted to put minorities "in their place" again.

You are right, no one who is thinking out here is fooled. And NO ONE will tell me my place. +1000

[bravenak]

41. I swear some people actually think we need to bow down and pander to these crazy people

Hell no. I will not invlove myself or my vote and time in no bullshit like that. I wont even get all mad and fight, just wont bother to participate or vote for people pandering to racists.

[heaven05]

50. My vote did not count

where does that leave me. In 4 years, it won't matter then either if we don't pander to the"oh so wise ones" in our Party who are looking for scapegoats, it will now take a generation or more to build a new all inclusive opposition to these clown in charge now. Those who use Bernie as the excuse for us losing because HRC ended up our nominee!!!! la dee da. Bannon would have had him for a breakfast snack. I am no ones scapegoat and those who think I am, can put on a 20lb lead weight and go try to swim in some river somewhere, because with trumpfuhrer as POTUS that's what the people who voted for him want around my neck, if not a rope.

[bravenak]

51. Glad he thinks black folks have nothing to lose

Now all we gotta do is fight off this resurging KKK. With no help! Just lovey times!

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

33. So I guess that means all liberals are gun grabbing baby killers

Your post is actually one of the most bigoted statements I've ever heard. And THAT attitude towards rural people is exactly why they voted for Trump. It's not because they like Trump or agree with him. It's because they hate sanctimonious assholes and want to piss them off.

[annabanana]

34. where did the op mention "rural people"?. . .n/t

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

94. When they added the bit about jobs they made it about rural voters who are desperate financially

People who voted for Trump were WRONG and did a TERRIBLE thing, but it doesn't mean they were racists or sexist, etc. By that reasoning all the BoBs that voted third party or Trump out of spite must want to destroy the environment and support killing children in Aleppo since Trump wants to decimate environmental regulations and is in love with Putin.

[bravenak]

103. Yes they were. They heard him loud and clear. Deport muslims. Mexicans are rapists. Black Lazy.

They heard him and ran over to the polls and voted for him. They voted to inflict that racist on the american people. They heard him loud and fucking clear.

[Grey Lemercier]

36. no, because "gun grabbers" and "baby killers" are RW false memes

the OP is spot the fuck on

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

95. Then Stein voters are anti-environment and agree with Trump's plan to destroy environmental rules

A vote for Stein was a vote for Trump, and it doesn't matter why they didn't vote for Hillary.

[Grey Lemercier]

97. no, Clinton ( or anyone else) was not "entitled" to anyone's vote, again false logic

Trump voters knew their vote was for an open racist, propped up and surround by xian nazis and secular nazis

ergo they are racists

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

102. hypocrisy

Mentioning "false logic" when that is what you are using is classic...really it is.

[Grey Lemercier]

107. sorry, you are just logically wrong

You are using a syllogistic fallacy , ie. you are making an affirmative conclusion from a negative premiss.


This is what your fallacy is, what you are saying:

A trump voter votes directly for trump

therefore, anyone NOT voting for my candidate is also voting FOR trump

you are begging the question, assuming the conclusion, and projecting thoughts and motives into people that are unknowable


Again, I am sorry, you just are wrong.

[Grey Lemercier]

108. oh, and ad hominem too!

the little hypocrisy snark

[bravenak]

40. You must not have read it then if this is the most bigoted thing you've read

I guess you must have missed the whole 'deporting a whole race/religion of people thing'. Or the wall thing. Voting for that is the most racist thing I have ever seen. Have fun trying to defend peopke who voted for the orange hitler

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

96. Trump said that and he is a racist piece of crap

Anyone who says it is a piece of crap. A lot of people don't pay attention to all the details and just vote by party. I voted for some candidates I knew nothing about just because they had "Democrat" next to their name. Does that mean I share every last view and opinion of those candidates? Of course not.

Bigoted definition, utterly intolerant of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

The original poster just called MILLIONS of Americans racists/sexists. Why? Because they didn't share the same political beliefs. Yes, calling MILLIONS of people racist/sexist IS the most bigoted thing I've heard. It's ugly, hateful and wrong.

[bravenak]

100. Oh please spare me to trump defending DRAMA

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

105. So pointing out that it is bigoted to call half of Americans you don't even know racists

somehow makes me a Trump defender? I voted for Hillary.

You want to see Trump re-elected then you keep right on attacking swing voters like me. That's really going to help you win...

[bravenak]

112. Keep defending voting for a racist tyrant who wants muslims deported

Funny how my pounting out that it is racist to ignore the racism coming out of that racist really got you defending these assholes who voted for the racist.

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

130. Keep denying that calling half of America racists is bigoted

It's astounding the level of your hypocrisy. And with that I'm putting you on ignore because rather than sit here and post and argue all damn day I actually work. People like you are part of the problem and are exactly why Clinton lost. Attack people and they don't hear a goddamned thing you have to say. The way you are behaving does one thing...it convinces me that you are so blind and hypocritical that I have zero interest in engaging in conversation with you. If you want to have your views ignored by everyone you speak to then by all means, keep it up.

[LanternWaste]

132. And yet you implicitly deny the vast amount of racists in America

And yet you implicitly deny the vast amount of racists in America by passively arguing a vote for a racist is not a racist vote.

[bravenak]

133. Not if they are racist

And they are because they voted to deport millions of muslims and to build a wall against mexico sending us their rapists. Why you are so dead set on justifying that I do not know. Nice try on attempting to normalize the racism of trump voters.

[astral]

120. Yes, because, unlike other countries,

We don't need borders. Sorry, but I have Never, Ever In My Life been in favor of open borders. And I will feel this way just as long as the United States of America still exists.

And I don't see that as 'racist.' Lots of races come to America legally. And furthermore, lots of different nationalities, and/or races, including white-skinned ones, come across the Mexican border illegally. Am I to say they are all terrorists? Am I to say none of them are? Am I to say, don't worry about it, everyone on the planet is free to come here and reap the benefits of being an American, because -- 'Merika!

Yep, good-bye, USA, it's as much my fault as it is anybody else's.

[bravenak]

128. So you just ignore that deporting a whole race of people thing then?

[mcar]

60. You know why all rural voters voted the way they did?

That is some impressive knowledge! You spoke to all of them?

[bravenak]

67. I wish I was that dedicated

[NoGoodNamesLeft]

99. I'm not the one that said ALL of the people who voted for Trump were racsists/sexists

I am actually the one that said that's not true. Since when is it OK to stereotype entire groups of people like that? I'm going to point out hypocrisy when I see it, regardless of the source. You can't claim to oppose Trump's bigotry against minorities and then in the same breath call half of American racists just because of who they voted for.

[annabanana]

110. but it wasn't a "deal-breaker" for ANY of them.

So there's that.

[Shrek]

37. If I voted for Hillary does that mean I supported the invasion of Iraq?

[bravenak]

39. Did she call for invading Iraq this year??

[jfern]

92. She called for a no fly zone where Russian planes are flying, which isn't any better

[bravenak]

101. Still not invading iraq tho

[uponit7771]

49. Not if she said intimated she do something different on those lines

[JI7]

63. she didn't campaign on that the way trump campaigned on banning people and walls

[bravenak]

55. Duers did not vote for Trump

[Arazi]

80. Oh wait, your OP wasn't specific to DUers right?

Cuz yeah, it wasn't

[bravenak]

81. Um? That person mentioned duers as a group being attacked

[Arazi]

84. You extrapolated

Obvious is obvious

[bravenak]

85. Boy did you ever hit the nail on the head

Obvious is right as rain. Hai! LOL

[betsuni]

64. K&R

[BlueStater]

69. They might not all be racists.

But none of them cared enough about other races to not vote for that loathsome, dangerous prick.

[bravenak]

71. Exactly

[jmg257]

88. There it is - did not worry enough about other races, other women, or any other potential target.

[Lucky Luciano]

91. I call that passive racism. nt

[DemonGoddess]

78. K&R!

Van Jones had it right. This is a white-lash, against ANYTHING other than white CIS protestant conservative born again types.

If your name is "other", your skin is "other", your faith is "other", your sexual orientation is "other", these people don't give a shit about ya. None of us who fit the "other" category, no matter how minutely, fit in their world view.

[cilla4progress]

79. Yes

This

[bpositive]

83. Three options

Intentionally ignorant
Stupid
Racist

You choose

[bravenak]

87. Can I choose all three?

[sheshe2]

126. We can add sexist as well...

'Cause there is nothing more sexist than grabbing a woman by the p***y and bragging about it.

[bravenak]

127. Definately

And voting for a raper is a nasty thing to do to women. Hateful in fact

[jmg257]

90. I'd offer "selfish" as a choice too.

[LexVegas]

93. Truth. nt

[backscatter712]

98. Amen.

Even if you don't consider yourself a racist, you saw all of Trump's racism, misogyny, and homophobia on display, and you decided to vote for him anyways. You tolerated the bigotry.

I have lost all respect for Trump voters. All of it.

[bravenak]

104. And I will not let them forget just how fucked up they are as humans

This thing where folks make excuses for turning a blind eye to his nastiness needs to stop. They are normalizing him and supporting him by defending this crap

[Garrett78]

109. There's no excuse for supporting Trump. None. Zip. Zilch.

People who would vote for someone that atrocious (someone who brags about and commits sexual assault, someone who likely raped a 13-year-old, someone who was endorsed by the KKK and has a long history of overt bigotry, someone who suggested banning Muslims, someone who suggested most Mexican immigrants are rapists and drug dealers, someone who lies and contradicts himself constantly, someone who cheered the housing collapse because he could capitalize on it, someone who ran a fraudulent "University", someone who stiffed the contractors he hired, someone who isn't even coherent much of the time, someone who didn't put forth substantive policy positions, and so on) are not people I want on my side. F**k 'em.

Oh, but if only Clinton's economic message had been more appealing to working class whites, surely she would have won. Gimme a break.

[bravenak]

116. Seriously

They had more money than her voters anyways. It was not about money

[MadDAsHell]

111. Where have I seen this logic before? Oh yeah, "All Mexican immigrants to the US are rapists." nt

[bravenak]

113. Yes. That was Trump the racist and his racist voters. And the folks defending them might want to

look inside of themselves.

[MadDAsHell]

114. Ain't nobody gotta defend nobody; DU will do it. DU has always been against stereotyping/labels.

It's one of the things that makes us different than, you know, THEM.

Although some have apparently forgotten that (or are rejecting that notion now).

[bravenak]

115. I'm sure DU will label them as we please and we have labeled them racists since they agree with

the KKK on candidates. If the KKK is supporting your guy, you might just be a racist.

[MadDAsHell]

118. Now it's "might just be?" What happened to "Voting for a racist asshole MAKES YOU A RACIST ASSHOLE"

[bravenak]

124. Well it does

[gollygee]

119. That isn't parallel

Stereotyping someone because of who they voted for is different than stereotyping someone for what country they were born in. One is a matter of choice, and one is a matter of chance. If you choose to do something racist, you are racist. If you vote for someone who was clear that he was racist, either you liked that or you were OK with it.

[MadDAsHell]

121. Ok...what part of the Hillary Clinton-approved Iraq War was your favorite? Since, you know...

you voted her and thus clearly either liked that or you were ok with it.

Noone is defending racists. We're defending a long-held progressive tradition that we are the ones that DON'T label and stereotype people, especially based on a single action.

But please, by all means label me a war-mongerer for voting for HRC. Or as a hater of those on welfare for voting for someone who supported welfare reform. Or as anti-American becaue I voted for someone who supported the repeal of glass-steagal. Or as pro-NAFTA. Or whatever you want to label me as since labeling is your thing.

Cause there's just zero chance in this world I looked past all that SHIT because, in my opinion, she still had the best economic ideas for this country, right?

[gollygee]

122. No politician always makes perfect choices, but that's not the same as being racist

Lots of politicians were wrong about the Iraq War, and there was bad fake-intelligence involved. It isn't the same as choosing to vote for someone who openly said he wants to make Muslims register. If you're OK with someone who was very openly racist, that says something about who you are.

[MadDAsHell]

123. Why are we assuming all the Trumpt voters knew what the hell they were even voting FOR?

In the same breath, we've got DUers saying these are the dumbest uneducated hillbilly hicks in the world, but that they're also astute enough to have read up on all of Trumps statements and positions and knew exactly what they were voting for.

Well which is it?

60 FUCKING MILLION people voted for that asshat. And Bravenak is saying not a single fucking one saw an (R) next to the name and simply decided that's who they'd vote for. Or saw a name they recognized and decided that's who they'd vote for.

Nope, all 60 fucking million of them voted on their way home from their daily KKK meeting that day.

[Garrett78]

129. Nobody could have missed Trump's bigotry, or his bragging about sexual assault, etc.

Racism, sexism and xenophobia was the primary feature of Trump's candidacy. His horrific speech about Mexican immigrants marked the moment when his campaign picked up steam.

There's no excuse for supporting him, as I wrote here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512630903.

If nothing else, voting for Trump is certainly an endorsement of racism, sexism and xenophobia. And it's not as if he was offering up substantive positions. Never has a candidate been so vague. He won primarily because for tens of millions of people racism, sexism, xenophobia, heterosexism and Christian supremacy takes precedence over everything else.