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pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:06 AM Nov 2016

Toni Morrison: Fear of losing white privilege led to Trump's election.

And she's right, because working class black people didn't respond to Trump's message. But white people did, from all economic backgrounds.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/toni-morrison-fear-of-losing-white-privilege-led-to-trumps-election_us_58330ee2e4b058ce7aac0964

“The comfort of being ‘naturally better than’ is hard to give up.”

Toni Morrison has written a powerful essay in the aftermath of Donald Trump’s election as president of the United States, and it gets right to the heart of why Trump won.

In a piece titled “Mourning For Whiteness” from the November 21 print issue of the New Yorker (published online Monday), the Pulitzer Prize-winning novelist argues that Trump won due to the terror of privileged white men in the face of a rapidly diversifying country.

“Under slave laws, the necessity for color rankings was obvious, but in America today, post-civil-rights legislation, white people’s conviction of their natural superiority is being lost,” Morrison writes.

“There are ‘people of color’ everywhere, threatening to erase this long-understood definition of America. And what then? Another black President? A predominantly black Senate? Three black Supreme Court Justices? The threat is frightening.”

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Toni Morrison: Fear of losing white privilege led to Trump's election. (Original Post) pnwmom Nov 2016 OP
White MALE privelege apcalc Nov 2016 #1
White women have more privilege than black women -- and the majority of white women pnwmom Nov 2016 #2
Certainly no more than white men have over black men whathehell Nov 2016 #14
White women do NOT have "privilege"--I hate to remind you of it. duffyduff Nov 2016 #37
They do compared to black women. They make more money than black women pnwmom Nov 2016 #44
Both of those issues are generally under the control of white men.. whathehell Nov 2016 #69
So? White women still benefit from white privilege. They don't benefit pnwmom Nov 2016 #72
No more than black women benefit from black MALE privilege.. whathehell Nov 2016 #75
Black male privilege is less than white male privilege. pnwmom Nov 2016 #80
Yes, we all know that.. whathehell Nov 2016 #81
That's what you're getting wrong. Acknowledging white privilege pnwmom Nov 2016 #82
Who on this site is not acknowledging it? whathehell Nov 2016 #83
Have to disagree. moriah Nov 2016 #45
I thought only half did TrekLuver Nov 2016 #46
53% of white women voted for the treestar Nov 2016 #73
Actually, Trump got a lot of votes from women. Couldn't have won without them. Nitram Nov 2016 #19
I'm sorry, but whathehell Nov 2016 #25
I'm afraid only racists and bigots, no matter how uncoscious those motivations may be, would vote Nitram Nov 2016 #29
How would you explain whathehell Nov 2016 #31
Many racists tell themselves they are not racist. What better way to "prove" to themselves and Nitram Nov 2016 #56
I'm sorry, but I think that's a stretch.. whathehell Nov 2016 #57
The fear of terrorism itself was employed in the service of racism and xenophobia. Nitram Nov 2016 #59
To an extent, but that whathehell Nov 2016 #60
To deny refugee status to carefully vetted Syrians and other Moslems because they might be... Nitram Nov 2016 #66
While racism is clearly the one element in this election that's captured whathehell Nov 2016 #68
I'm not suggesting the it is simple, or that race is the only factor. Nitram Nov 2016 #71
I believe all of us carry some "unconscious" racism, but I disagree whathehell Nov 2016 #79
After the bush presidency katsy Nov 2016 #78
Go ahead and believe sexism doesn't exist. Just who was HRC? A woman. duffyduff Nov 2016 #38
Trump got more votes from blacks & Hispanics than Romney whathehell Nov 2016 #76
Heterosexual White Male Privilage... TrishaJ Nov 2016 #22
Sorry, but it's WHITE PRIVILEGE. Please don't deflect from what Morrison is saying. chimpymustgo Nov 2016 #49
Sorry, but not all of us believe that whathehell Nov 2016 #53
"The threat is frightening." BumRushDaShow Nov 2016 #3
I don't accept this premise. It was the economy predominantly, and depressed Dem turnout. OnDoutside Nov 2016 #4
Its easier for me to accept when the UE rate in WI or MI is in the 4s and voter suppression uponit7771 Nov 2016 #5
It's perception. We've had the same problem here in Ireland, where the last government dragged the OnDoutside Nov 2016 #7
"People feel angry but don't know what they are angry at." ... hmmmm, this sounds like uponit7771 Nov 2016 #8
Yes and the fringes of the political spectrum are taking advantage. If there is a lesson, it is that OnDoutside Nov 2016 #10
"full metal jacket" ... AMEN too that uponit7771 Nov 2016 #11
the depressed dem turnout is proving to be untrue La Lioness Priyanka Nov 2016 #20
The economy was only a smokescreen for many people who are not doing very badly at all. Nitram Nov 2016 #30
Not in the Rust Belt. This is the exact same problem as here in Ireland in last February's General OnDoutside Nov 2016 #36
So they bought Trump's promise to open all the factories again? Nitram Nov 2016 #58
Not necessarily. Many might have jobs again, but income isn't what it was 10/15 years ago. They OnDoutside Nov 2016 #64
Exactly. Magical thinking is what passes for political thought in some quarters. Nitram Nov 2016 #67
Absolutely true. It can't be a coincidence though that there is such a public OnDoutside Nov 2016 #70
That's only your opinion... whathehell Nov 2016 #77
K&R! DemonGoddess Nov 2016 #6
Rapidly diversifying, crime on the rise again, "law and order", terrorism, loss of jobs, jmg257 Nov 2016 #9
I'd guess that fear of 'crime on the rise again, terrorism and loss of jobs' are not whathehell Nov 2016 #15
Yep. Id agree with that. jmg257 Nov 2016 #16
But I thought it was about WALL STREET! And TRADE! And the MINIMUM WAGE! (nt) ehrnst Nov 2016 #12
And the threat is real. White only dominance of the world is rapidly coming to an end. Yavin4 Nov 2016 #13
Many of the same people who voted for Trump, voted for Obama in 2012 whathehell Nov 2016 #17
Where is your evidence for that? She's getting very close to the same number of votes pnwmom Nov 2016 #21
Here you go.. whathehell Nov 2016 #24
That looks anecdotal to me. But your nytimes link contains this interesting point: pnwmom Nov 2016 #32
That is it. People still haven't grown up. Women have headed governments for CENTURIES, duffyduff Nov 2016 #39
No...You need to open the links and read them.. whathehell Nov 2016 #54
Is there proof of that? treestar Nov 2016 #74
Toni Morrison is right. The backlash has been quite a while coming but Trump... Nitram Nov 2016 #18
The riots in Ferguson, Oakland, etc. contributed to the fear as well. jalan48 Nov 2016 #23
Inagree cilla4progress Nov 2016 #26
Amen to that. When folks have nothing, they cling to the illusion of "something" McCamy Taylor Nov 2016 #27
. . . treestar Nov 2016 #34
A good number of white men I have talked with backed Trump as they believed ... spin Nov 2016 #28
Your Hillary-trashing is not appreciated and has little basis in fact. duffyduff Nov 2016 #40
You're probably the only person in American that doesn't think Obama is charismatic. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #41
Agreed..I heard him speak in a small room before he ran for president.. whathehell Nov 2016 #62
I agree, white male privilege MyNameIsKhan Nov 2016 #33
K&R! Tarheel_Dem Nov 2016 #35
So why did Trump get MORE of the Latino vote than Romney? (Who actually has family ties to Mexico) Coventina Nov 2016 #42
Vote suppression, for one thing. The voting rights act was dismantled in 2013, pnwmom Nov 2016 #48
He also got twice as many black votes than Romney. nt 7962 Nov 2016 #85
I'm sure more talk of white privilege is going to help the party win elections in the future. Ace Rothstein Nov 2016 #43
Oh, yeah... more of that winning strategy, please! SMC22307 Nov 2016 #50
If this is what you think, 2020 isn't going to be any better... Bob41213 Nov 2016 #47
Progress delayed Lotusflower70 Nov 2016 #51
K & R nt TeamPooka Nov 2016 #52
Rehashed outrage-bait version 764847362. I wish the blogsphere was as tired of this type of trash jack_krass Nov 2016 #55
Romney won a higher percentage of white voters than Trump oberliner Nov 2016 #61
Stop repeating facts. Ruins the desired race-based narrative 7962 Nov 2016 #86
I get a sense TRUMP came off as the change candidate while Hillary seemed quantumjunkie Nov 2016 #63
I agree with everything Bernie has said, and I also agree with this. They aren't mutually exclusive. JCanete Nov 2016 #65
That for sure. nt oasis Nov 2016 #84
Inherent in the "working class whites" narrative is the notion that... Garrett78 Nov 2016 #87

apcalc

(4,462 posts)
1. White MALE privelege
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:47 AM
Nov 2016

But I still think the election was hacked, Exit poll data and pre-election polls had her winning. A few counties, like mine, where results are unverifiable,,,,

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
2. White women have more privilege than black women -- and the majority of white women
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 05:43 AM
Nov 2016

did vote for Trump.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
14. Certainly no more than white men have over black men
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 11:08 AM
Nov 2016

and far MORE white men voted for Trump than white women...I would add that far more white women voted for Obama than did white men, so let's keep things in perspective, OK?

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
37. White women do NOT have "privilege"--I hate to remind you of it.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:24 PM
Nov 2016

Women are fucked over in this system regardless of racial background.

That is because the white dudes want it that way in order to get sexual access and free domestic labor.

Just because the "majority" of white women who bothered to vote voted for Trump doesn't mean squat to me.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
44. They do compared to black women. They make more money than black women
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:42 PM
Nov 2016

and they don't have to worry, nearly as much, about their sons being killed by the police.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
72. So? White women still benefit from white privilege. They don't benefit
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:11 PM
Nov 2016

from male gender privilege, but they do benefit from white privilege and that's why their salaries are higher than black women's.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
75. No more than black women benefit from black MALE privilege..
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:12 AM
Nov 2016

and, btw, lowering salaries based on race is illegal. Anyone finding that discrepancy in their salary

has a very winnable case under the law.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
80. Black male privilege is less than white male privilege.
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:29 PM
Nov 2016

Black women make less than white women, so black women are at the bottom in salaries.

Winnable cases or not, white men make the highest salaries; then black men; then white women; and finally, black women.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
81. Yes, we all know that..
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:59 PM
Nov 2016

but beyond what we're already doing, I'm not sure what you would have people like me -- a non- rich white sixty something female -- do about it...Besides voting and acting in a fair and caring way, what are we supposed to do?...Wear sack clothqs and ashes? Pillory ourselves on a cross of white guilt?...I guess I'm just not sure what the point ol the constant, repetitive 'airing of unfairnesses" is..It's not, after all, like your talking to Free.Republic.



pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
82. That's what you're getting wrong. Acknowledging white privilege
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 03:06 PM
Nov 2016

or even white male privilege doesn't mean you yourself caused it.

But acknowledging it should open you to the idea that we need to find solutions and to recognize when it is happening.

In the case of the election, Trump voters have a median annual income higher than Hillary voters, even though Trump voters are more likely to live in less costly areas. And they voted for a candidate who was spouting racist rhetoric.

So it's logical to assume that the were responding to racism rather than to economic anxiety. If anyone should have supported Trump because of economic anxiety, it should have been the people who are financially the worst off -- the Clinton voters.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
83. Who on this site is not acknowledging it?
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 05:10 PM
Nov 2016

but acknowledging that fact does not mean that it was the
SOLE reason why the election went the way it did....It played a part, yes, but to what extent? I don't know and neither do you, especially from this recent vantage point.

moriah

(8,311 posts)
45. Have to disagree.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:51 PM
Nov 2016

We still have the "white" privilege. Yes, we still have to deal with sexist bullshit, but we aren't generally called "welfare queens" or have people seem frightened when we get angry (dismissive, yes, but that's different than the perception of the "angry black woman&quot .

If nothing else, one can look to the history of the suffrage movement where some incredibly stupid women suggested giving black men the vote before giving it to white women was wrong. Look at the fact that while more white women get breast cancer, yet more black women die of it -- five a day. Look at how white women still on average make more per week than black men, and black women make less than that.

The situation is worse still for trans people of color.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
73. 53% of white women voted for the
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:21 PM
Nov 2016

Deranged orange animal. My biggest disappointment in a demographic to which I belong. I thought we would bury him in a landslide after that access Hollywood tape.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
19. Actually, Trump got a lot of votes from women. Couldn't have won without them.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:45 PM
Nov 2016

Were the women voting for white male privilege? I think they voted to assert white supremacy over all those uppity minorities.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
25. I'm sorry, but
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 03:48 PM
Nov 2016

I think this election was about more than race and bigotry...As I just posted, many Obama voters voted for Trump...If you want to see the links, I posted them in answer to Pwnmom's question.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
29. I'm afraid only racists and bigots, no matter how uncoscious those motivations may be, would vote
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:53 PM
Nov 2016

for such a bluntly racist and bigoted candidate. I'm with Morrison on this one. One need only consider the responses by white supremacists the world over to know how clearly Trump delivered the message.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
56. Many racists tell themselves they are not racist. What better way to "prove" to themselves and
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:27 PM
Nov 2016

everybody else that they are not racist?

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
57. I'm sorry, but I think that's a stretch..
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 05:57 PM
Nov 2016

in the service of your theory...Like most, I believe the outcome of the election is the result of many factors, dislike of elites, fear of terrorism, and economic insecurity being some of them.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
66. To deny refugee status to carefully vetted Syrians and other Moslems because they might be...
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 05:59 PM
Nov 2016

...terrorists is absolutely groundless. Perfect, textbook example of xenophobia/Islamophobia/racism.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
68. While racism is clearly the one element in this election that's captured
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 07:02 PM
Nov 2016

your attention, it doesn't mean it's the ONLY element.

I too would like life to be simple, but, unfortunately, It's not.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
71. I'm not suggesting the it is simple, or that race is the only factor.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 07:59 PM
Nov 2016

I'm suggesting that race is an essential factor in the mix of reasons Trump voters voted for him. Anyone who voted for Trump knew that they were voting for a racist ticket, with concrete platform objectives the were racist by definition. If they could ignore that...

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
79. I believe all of us carry some "unconscious" racism, but I disagree
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 12:00 PM
Nov 2016

that it is the overriding element in EVERY situation...Those who do subscribe to this view are having a very hard time explaining why so many Obama voters voted for Trump....It certainly doesn't fit the narrative.

katsy

(4,246 posts)
78. After the bush presidency
Fri Nov 25, 2016, 09:57 AM
Nov 2016

I don't think the gop had much of a chance getting the WH considering the economic turmoil we were facing.

Also, mitt had pretty much killed his chances by making the middle class "the other" with his 47% video. PBO also wasn't facing the white hot hatred @ that time bcuz mitt really wasn't stoking racist & bigoted emotions like trump has.

trump managed to motivate racists & bigots & all the proof one needs is available by looking @ the punks attending his rally. Just watch for confederate flags, the full on engagement of racist nationalist groups. These people were pumped & I suspect these groups haven't had reason to even vote in a national election before.

The bigotry & racism has been overwhelming this election. Combined with trump's promise of economic protectionism and voter suppression may have flipped enuf electoral votes to trump.

It was a perfect hate fueled storm.


 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
38. Go ahead and believe sexism doesn't exist. Just who was HRC? A woman.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:25 PM
Nov 2016

It had little to do with her being a "Clinton." It had everything to do with her being a woman.

chimpymustgo

(12,774 posts)
49. Sorry, but it's WHITE PRIVILEGE. Please don't deflect from what Morrison is saying.
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:35 AM
Nov 2016

"Life ain't no crystal stair" for many. But Whiteness gives you a leg up in America. Period.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
53. Sorry, but not all of us believe that
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 07:19 AM
Nov 2016

and we're well our rights to say so, regardless of what Morrison is saying. Period.

BumRushDaShow

(128,504 posts)
3. "The threat is frightening."
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:50 AM
Nov 2016

Hit the nail on the head!

I have been watching football (Eagles) this year. And I was shocked (thanks to decades of effort from the likes of Jesse Jackson and others) at the number of black head football coaches (and coordinators) AND (starting) black quarterbacks. It has been eye-opening given the days when there were little or none (and guys like Warren Moon were worshiped). Plenty of line backers, tackles, and even wide-outs, but no one calling the plays.

In industry after industry, we have had to fight for our rightful places based on merit after being denied solely due to skin color. Yet doing this has been promoted by the detractors and the media as someone "taking" someone else's (a white's) job and "rightful place" in society.

I.e., the "natural order" was disrupted.

However if one were to take this fantastical scenario all the way out to some far future, they would simply devolve into typical Euro-descended ethnic maelstroms, not unlike what you have seen historically throughout European history.

Eliminating us (POC) eliminates one facet of "competition" that they wouldn't have to deal with. We have been easy low-hanging fruit to attempt to remove in order to gain advantage. However many of us descend from folks who had much deeper roots in this country than most European-descendants who are here today. I.e., those whose families only arrived here post-Civil War - generally in the late 19th & early 20th centuries.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
5. Its easier for me to accept when the UE rate in WI or MI is in the 4s and voter suppression
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:24 AM
Nov 2016

... more harmed voter turnout.

If a person can't find some decent employment in this economy where the UE rate is in the 4s then they're fucked...

I don't believe for a second people are hurting to that degree with UE rate in the 4s

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
7. It's perception. We've had the same problem here in Ireland, where the last government dragged the
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:25 AM
Nov 2016

country back from being bust and having to report to the Troika of the IMF, EU and ECB. Even though the ship had been righted, many people hadn't yet felt the impact of the upturn, and severely punished that Government. The parallels with you over there in the US is striking (and even with Brexit in the UK). People feel angry but don't know what they are angry at.

uponit7771

(90,304 posts)
8. "People feel angry but don't know what they are angry at." ... hmmmm, this sounds like
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:29 AM
Nov 2016

... the same thing that happened in the last century but FDR had a message in the US that pointed at the people who screwed things up and called them out on it.

I'm thinking calling DPutin out on his taking advantage of economic hurt would've been a better message than DPutin is crazy which his supporters seemed to think was an advantage and not a defect.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
10. Yes and the fringes of the political spectrum are taking advantage. If there is a lesson, it is that
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:06 AM
Nov 2016

those in governments have to be SEEN to go full metal jacket on those who are seen to have caused the problems, otherwise it leaves the door open for the far right and left to go down the populist route.

 

La Lioness Priyanka

(53,866 posts)
20. the depressed dem turnout is proving to be untrue
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:50 PM
Nov 2016

as the numbers are still trickling in. the national numbers are expected to be very similar to obama 2012.

https://twitter.com/Redistrict

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
30. The economy was only a smokescreen for many people who are not doing very badly at all.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:56 PM
Nov 2016

Resentment that they could be wealthy if not for those minorities and immigrants the Democratic Party coddles. Trump could not have won on the votes of the economically disadvantaged alone.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
36. Not in the Rust Belt. This is the exact same problem as here in Ireland in last February's General
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 07:22 PM
Nov 2016

Election. The Government ran on a platform of "Let's keep the Recovery going", and in large parts of Dublin and other major cities like Cork you could see there were more cars on the road, traffic was building earlier than it had from the previous 5 years, and discretionary spend shops were starting to open again. However, out in the country towns and villages, they were saying "No Recovery here" because it hadn't yet reached them, and that's the story with the Rust Belt.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
58. So they bought Trump's promise to open all the factories again?
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 10:50 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Thu Nov 24, 2016, 06:00 PM - Edit history (1)

That's just lazy thinking.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
64. Not necessarily. Many might have jobs again, but income isn't what it was 10/15 years ago. They
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:21 PM
Nov 2016

didn't have the feel good factor that others do. Then along comes Bozo the Clown and tells them that "only he can make America great again", and they fall for it.

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
67. Exactly. Magical thinking is what passes for political thought in some quarters.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 06:00 PM
Nov 2016

Exactly how demagogues gain power.

OnDoutside

(19,948 posts)
70. Absolutely true. It can't be a coincidence though that there is such a public
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 07:40 PM
Nov 2016

disengagement with politics in so many Western countries, at pretty much the same time. The US isn't alone in this, by any stretch of the imagination.

jmg257

(11,996 posts)
9. Rapidly diversifying, crime on the rise again, "law and order", terrorism, loss of jobs,
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 09:48 AM
Nov 2016

White people fear lots of things.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
15. I'd guess that fear of 'crime on the rise again, terrorism and loss of jobs' are not
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:26 PM
Nov 2016

the sole province of "white people", wouldn't you?




Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
13. And the threat is real. White only dominance of the world is rapidly coming to an end.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 10:41 AM
Nov 2016

Technological change and globalization cannot be stopped politically. Diversity is the new norm.

whathehell

(29,034 posts)
17. Many of the same people who voted for Trump, voted for Obama in 2012
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:38 PM
Nov 2016

I wonder how that fits into her narrative?

In addition, being "better than" is not just about race, but gender as well, and since there were two whites on

the ballot, that may well have helped Trump.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
21. Where is your evidence for that? She's getting very close to the same number of votes
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:57 PM
Nov 2016

Last edited Tue Nov 22, 2016, 05:57 PM - Edit history (1)

that Obama had last time. I read that his win came from new voters in that handful of states, rather than Dems.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
32. That looks anecdotal to me. But your nytimes link contains this interesting point:
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 06:01 PM
Nov 2016
One other thing: Both Trump and Obama made white working-class voters feel a little better about racial anxiety.

They obviously did it in very different ways.

But I’d say that Obama made a lot of voters feel good, even proud, about supporting an African-American.

Trump made them feel O.K. about their “politically incorrect” reservations about diversity, crime and immigration.

Clinton did something very bold that I don’t think she got very much credit for: She challenged many white Americans to question implicit bias, and revived criminal justice as an issue. That may have been a bridge too far.


And none of this addresses the issue of sexism. Sexists (men and women) could have supported Obama but switched to Trump because they weren't comfortable with the idea of a woman leader.
 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
39. That is it. People still haven't grown up. Women have headed governments for CENTURIES,
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:27 PM
Nov 2016

if you include monarchies. The attitudes are just plain STUPID.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
74. Is there proof of that?
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 10:24 PM
Nov 2016

It makes no sense that anyone who voted for obama would vote for the orange disgrace

Nitram

(22,768 posts)
18. Toni Morrison is right. The backlash has been quite a while coming but Trump...
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 12:43 PM
Nov 2016

...was just the man to represent them.

jalan48

(13,842 posts)
23. The riots in Ferguson, Oakland, etc. contributed to the fear as well.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 02:06 PM
Nov 2016

I've read humans are easier to control when they are fearful.

cilla4progress

(24,718 posts)
26. Inagree
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 03:52 PM
Nov 2016

I also have also been hearing that these Trump supporters think the economy and agenda should be focused primarily on helping them, and that in fact they need to step it up and make some effort to retool to meet the demands of the changing economy, albeit with help and support from the government. (Tom Friedman on Tom Ashbrook this morning - on point radio / NPR).

McCamy Taylor

(19,240 posts)
27. Amen to that. When folks have nothing, they cling to the illusion of "something"
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:07 PM
Nov 2016

even if the something is as stupid as "I'm better because my skin has less melanin."

treestar

(82,383 posts)
34. . . .
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 06:27 PM
Nov 2016

"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
~
LYNDON B. JOHNSON, 1960, remark to Bill Moyers, "What a Real President Was Like," Washington Post, 13 November 1988

spin

(17,493 posts)
28. A good number of white men I have talked with backed Trump as they believed ...
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 04:44 PM
Nov 2016

his experience would enable him to better create jobs. A number also mentioned that they strongly opposed illegal immigration. I'm sure that some backed Trump because says he strongly supports law enforcement and the military.

Still I will agree that the riots in Baltimore and the Blacks Lives Matter movement drove many to favor Trump.

The surprising thing for me was that Trump got the majority of votes in the electoral college. He campaigned as a total ass and insulted everybody. I seriously believe he really didn't want the job and was doing his best to insure he never got it. Still I might be wrong as he constantly says he hates losing.

One white lady I know initially supported Hillary but changed her mind over the abortion issue. She is a fundamental Christian.

One factor which is rarely mentioned is Hillary's position on gun control. She wanted to see another Federal Assault Weapons Ban passed and mentioned she thought Australian style gun control was worth considering. While that was a gun buy back program it was also mandatory and could be called confiscation. Like it or not there are at least 80,000,000 gun owners in this nation many who own "assault weapons such as the AR-15 or hi-capacity semi automatic rifles and handguns. In a close election the gun owner vote may tip the scales. Many show up at the polls to vote and to them it wouldn't matter in the least if Trump was a total asshole as long as he supported gun rights.

Plus we should not ignore Hillary's email scandal and the fact that many voters viewed her as untrustworthy. Donations to the Clinton Foundation and high speech fees for Hillary and BIll also fueled the suspicion of distrust.

Hillary also seemed to lack a vision. Much of her campaign was based on the fact that Trump was totally unqualified for the job while she had the experience. She obviously was right. Still voters wanted to try something different as this was a "change election." Hillary could not generate the enthusiasm that both Bernie, Trump and even Obama were able to. Far too many voters believed our nation is in decline and wanted to see a new approach.

Finally it is very difficult for any party to hold the White House after one party owns it for eight years.

I will totally agree that racism played a role in the results but it was one of many factors. How could Obama get elected twice if racism was the prime factor driving results in our nation? I believe Ovama would have won in a landslide against Trump if he could have ran this year.

I'm just watching Obama speaking at an awards ceremony. He definitely was charisma that Hillary lacks.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
40. Your Hillary-trashing is not appreciated and has little basis in fact.
Tue Nov 22, 2016, 08:31 PM
Nov 2016

Obama is not "charismatic." I don't even think you know what the term means. I have NEVER been impressed with his "oratory," and I have seen and heard people who can belt out a speech. Obama is flat and boring as a speaker. Compare him with MLK, Jr., and the comparisons are laughably obvious. Obama is a lecturer, which he really was before going into politics. He is no orator, media hype back a decade ago notwithstanding.

Trump was literally created by the media. Google "Jeff Zucker" and maybe then you will know what really happened. It was not HRC's fault. Your problem with her is that she is female.

pnwmom

(108,958 posts)
48. Vote suppression, for one thing. The voting rights act was dismantled in 2013,
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 12:37 AM
Nov 2016

allowing massive voter purges and changes in voter ID laws. Hispanic populations living in lower income areas were particularly affected.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
50. Oh, yeah... more of that winning strategy, please!
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 01:51 AM
Nov 2016

Fine, Toni, think what you want, but where you gonna make up those 60+ electoral votes in 2020?

Lotusflower70

(3,077 posts)
51. Progress delayed
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 02:03 AM
Nov 2016

I think the backlash was inevitable. We got 2 terms out of President Obama and that was historic. I think the United States wasn't quite ready for a woman to be President. A lot of us were but obviously not everyone. The Republicans were the resistance to another historic achievement.

 

jack_krass

(1,009 posts)
55. Rehashed outrage-bait version 764847362. I wish the blogsphere was as tired of this type of trash
Wed Nov 23, 2016, 08:22 AM
Nov 2016

As I am of reading it...

People who voted for Trump, did so out of a misguided belief that Trump, as a "buisnessman" and "outsider" would make things work better and bring jobs back, not out of some ridiculous notion that he will make America "whiter", or fear of encroaching "non whiteness".

I believe that people who think like this are sheltered, live in echo chambers, and don't talk to real people.

I truly believe that if Trump were exactly the same, but black, 99.9 percent of those same people still would have voted for him .

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
61. Romney won a higher percentage of white voters than Trump
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 09:13 AM
Nov 2016

Trump did better with Latino and African-American voters than Romney did.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
86. Stop repeating facts. Ruins the desired race-based narrative
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 10:36 AM
Nov 2016

Although I notice you're one of the few trying to see things as they actually ARE.
One thing IMO, beat HRC; lack of interest by much of her base

 

quantumjunkie

(244 posts)
63. I get a sense TRUMP came off as the change candidate while Hillary seemed
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 03:52 PM
Nov 2016

like the establishment....in the eyes of the working class.

Hillary never campaigned how she was for people. She just said Trump was bad. Trump kept doign his meaningless chants about making america great -- giving a vision of hope and change which must have been appealing to the struggling whites.

She also didn't campaign much in swing states. Giving the impression to these working class folks that she didnt care.

But lets not forget though she won the popular vote.

 

JCanete

(5,272 posts)
65. I agree with everything Bernie has said, and I also agree with this. They aren't mutually exclusive.
Thu Nov 24, 2016, 04:29 PM
Nov 2016

There are reasons that that fear resonated though, and it wasn't just about white privilege. It is absolutely loss avoidance though. Its not that these people believe that they have an unfair advantage, even though they do, its that they believe they have a right to what they have because they are good people and they earned it.

Now, we could quibble with that because some of these people can be pretty shitty, but it seems to me far more sensible to say "we aren't here to take your stuff. We're here to get you to join us so that we can all take back what should be ours," and by the way, you've been sold a crock of shit. Lets make the peddlers take it back," than to say "that's right, we're here for your white privilege!"

They got on board for Bernie, sure just handful but it would have been enough, even though he was preaching social justice and policies that would help the poor and minorities as well as the middle class the whole way, so it can be done. The millionaire class of news anchors and their masters and all the rest of the money in politics will not have us meddling with the primal forces of nature, but I'm for meddling anyway.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
87. Inherent in the "working class whites" narrative is the notion that...
Mon Nov 28, 2016, 01:06 PM
Nov 2016

...working class POC don't care about economics. Also inherent in that narrative is the notion that Clinton didn't talk enough about economics or offer as much substance as Trump and that it was Clinton who played "identity politics," which is the complete opposite of reality. I expect Trump supporters to take reality and flip it on its head, but it's sad when DU posters do the same.

There was no excuse for voting for Trump, by far the most atrocious candidate in modern times.

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