2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumGary Johnson could not name a single world leader he admires...
WOW!!!!!!!
bigwillq
(72,790 posts)Really! I actually laughed out loud!
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)redwitch
(14,944 posts)That being said I know plenty of people who partake and would have done a better job with that than he did. He seems to have no memory at all. Let's not elect him!
nolabear
(41,959 posts)How did he get this far? Weld isn't nearly as bad, and keeps trying to help.
Mamajami
(257 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)An entire generation who grew up in prosperity and peace doesn't care that their ignorance is dangerous.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)I highly doubt their editorial boards are made up of millennials. As for an era of peace and prosperity, a lot of Millennials grew up post -911 era and lived through the Iraq War. Many of us were entering the job market during the worst economic climate since the Great Depression. So stop with your broad brush "entire generation" comments unless you think we should hold all Boomers responsible for giving us Reagan, Bush I and II and the worst economy since the Great Depression.
For the record, I think Libertarianism is one of the biggest cons in the history of American politics. I supported Obama in 08, 12, Sanders in the primaries and Clinton in the general election.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Seems strange you can recognize it in libertarianism but not from a man who claims he's a whistle-blower, but refused to use any of the whistle-blower avenues available to him in America, choosing to flee into the bosom of one of America's biggest foreign adversaries instead. A man who claims he was protesting domestic surveillance and then proceeded to expose foreign intelligence activity that had nothing to do with domestic surveillance. A man who lied to his coworkers to steal their passwords and access as part of his efforts to thieve documents that were outside his clearance level, which he then took out of the country and exposed to foreign intelligence services, actively damaging the USA in the process.
Seems very strange.
white_wolf
(6,238 posts)My argument wasn't necessary concerning rather Snowden deserves to be pardoned. We could, and DU probably has, dedicated entire posts to that discussion. I was simply arguing that if you're going to dismiss all Millennials due the fact that some of them supported Snowden then you must also dismiss the New York Times and the Guardian for that very same reason.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)is far from a majority...
Matthew28
(1,797 posts)shows a lack of intelligence and thinking skills.
unblock
(52,196 posts)i'm certainly not an expert on all of them, but it's the sort of thing where almost any answer has pros and cons. hard to find one without any cons. unless it's fair game to pick someone from the past that you know is a "safe" pick.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)be running for the presidency? He should be able to name several off the top of his head for different reasons.
unblock
(52,196 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)only perfect namers? Hillary Clinton could talk for many long hours about leaders around the planet and the situations in which they govern. Please don't pretend that's nothing because she and they are not perfect.
unblock
(52,196 posts)full of pitfalls.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)many choices of good ways to answer that question. How on earth could someone for whom a little question like that poses real danger function as president? (Actually, I'm wondering how anyone who had a problem meeting that challenge function as a competent governor.)
unblock
(52,196 posts)Especially for third party candidates. They give them such limited airtime that they can make find the one answer that makes them look brilliant or horrible or stupid or whatever they and and ignore everything else they said.
I agree though, he would have done better to come up with a name....
bmstee01
(453 posts)unblock
(52,196 posts)Non-Catholics; Catholics who think he's too liberal; and Catholics who think he's too conservative.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)I'd be happy to be proved wrong....
unblock
(52,196 posts)absolutely. any mention of the pope is controversial. a lot of people have very strong opinions one way or the other.
jberryhill
(62,444 posts)And the way you deal with it is by picking out a particular quality, like....
"I admire the Pope's ability to connect with and inspire people. Of course the US government is a secular institution for and by people of all faiths or no religious beliefs at all."
Asking someone to pick someone they admire, for some quality or another, is not an endorsement of whomever they come up with.
Really, it comes down to "Pick one nice thing to say about someone, while being sure not to buy into whatever else that person might stand for."
It's not a trick question. ANY politician can do this.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)And yet somehow seems proud of it, despite how dumb it's making him look.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)And he seems to be one of them.
Seriously, some people have a thirst for knowledge and fascination with the big world, and they are constantly learning about that big world from childhood on.
Others have little intellectual curiosity but live rich, satisfying, worthwhile lives centered in their own small worlds filled with their people. They genuinely have little interest in what's outside, most of their attention to it being occupied with comfortable agreements with friends about what's wrong with everyone out there. Without any real interest, learning about the world beyond the interstate, or even the vast complexities of themselves, is a chore to be avoided as much as possible.
Politics has too many of the latter who believe they have a duty to put their wisdom to work.
Reminds me of when a young man we watched grow up turned down a chance to spend 6 weeks in Greece as an exchange student, his totally sincere and complete explanation, "Why would I?" literally took my breath away. Talk about an epiphany. Mine.
Frank Cannon
(7,570 posts)Unless, of course, you can't name any world leaders and don't know enough about any of them to describe what those qualities are.
And unless, of course, you're a shiftless pothead Libertarian who isn't motivated enough to care about much of anything.
unblock
(52,196 posts)You can't say you admire lbj for getting civil rights laws passed without pissing off people who hate him because of vietnam.
"Admiring" someone is taken as endorsing everything about them. It shouldn't be that way perhaps, but it is.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)With being too careful. Motor cycle helmet laws?
LOL.
unblock
(52,196 posts)i agree it's more likely blank mind, ill-prepared.
just saying the answer isn't obvious even for someone who knows a lot about foreign leaders.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)I think it also means he's always been realistic that he's not going anywhere. So why bother study.
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)Who knew!
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)""Admiring" someone is taken as endorsing everything about them..."
Another unsupported allegation. It's becoming rather consistent.
bullwinkle428
(20,629 posts)unblock
(52,196 posts)Mainly because he's too new to have big drawbacks
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)When then , did other candidates, allowing themselves answers to the same question, fall into this alleged trap you describe, and what were the precise consequences?
BootinUp
(47,141 posts)He can't seriously think he is qualified. Can He?
gademocrat7
(10,654 posts)workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)He should have just said, "all of them". LOL
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)"I'd reduce Planned Parenthood funding by 20%, just like everything else."
Moron.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)But isn't really saying much about Trump. Sounds like Johnson really doesn't like Clinton and seems fine with Trump.
bettyellen
(47,209 posts)The ones that literally have the least to loose.
Greywing
(1,124 posts)with.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)In 94 and 98.
meadowlark5
(2,795 posts)So let's just run as a libertarian
RonniePudding
(889 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)This man is going to single-handedly turn me completely against even medical marijuana.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)...
Monk06
(7,675 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Not a fan, so that explains why I had no clue what you were referring to.
Monk06
(7,675 posts)NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)Thank you for explaining.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)People depend on medical marijuana for pain relief.
NoGoodNamesLeft
(2,056 posts)I lived in a state that legalized medical marijuana and dispensaries. I voted for it and immediately after something passed there was non-stop push for full legalization. I oppose recreational legalization. I have personal experience with myself and my children being abused and my children going without things they needed because their father was addicted to it. That addiction put me and my kids at risk when he started selling and went into debt and people looking to collect used to show up at the door. It was very difficult for me to get beyond that history to support medical marijuana in the first place, so I have to say that I find Johnson utterly repulsive. I think candidates should need to pass drug tests before they can get on the ballot. He's not serious at all and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the main people who support him only do because they want recreational use of marijuana legalized and don't give a rat's ass about the country.
I know that view will be unpopular and I may get flamed to a crisp but I don't care. I have spelled out why I feel the way I do and it's not going to change.
I know there are some people who benefit from medical marijuana and I support their ability to use it. I still 100% oppose legalized recreational marijuana. Just the smell of it triggers my own PTSD from being abused by someone addicted to it.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)I think that should be obvious.
I'm not going to flame you, but I will guarantee you the guy had problems other than "addiction" to marijuana.
Out of curiosity, are/were you in favor of prohibition? There are assholes who drink, there are assholes who smoke. An asshole who smokes is more likely to be an asshole all the time than someone who turns into an asshole drinking.
Just sayin.....
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)If your academic and social convictions are so weak as to be reassigned by the mere stance of one other individual, you may want to revisit how how you analyze those convictions.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)who he later said he admired. Weld sitting next to him finally had to throw out names of Zedillo and Fox
GP6971
(31,141 posts)have been reversed...Weld/Johnson. Although Johnson as #1 suits me just fine if it discredits their party and limits the impact on Hillary.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)a grimacing Bill Weld doing a slow face palm.
procon
(15,805 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)all of them.
Rocknrule
(5,697 posts)...such as Kim Jong-un, Saddam, Pol Pot, and of course, his butt buddy Putin
BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)laughed out loud from off-screen. Loudly!
The_Casual_Observer
(27,742 posts)BobbyDrake
(2,542 posts)that cares what style or blend he smokes. I bet he still puffs weed with stems and seeds in it, because that's how guys his age learned to do it.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Thinkingabout
(30,058 posts)president, we do not live alone anymore, we are in a global society.
Blue Idaho
(5,048 posts)His behavior is pretty damn erratic.
Initech
(100,063 posts)Third Doctor
(1,574 posts)Zambero
(8,964 posts)Johnson knew his town hall had been turned into burnt toast, and he didn't resort to a Palinism, which might have sounded something like: "All of them. I like all of them. Whichever ones happen to be around". He did grab a straw or two however, citing the late Shimon Peres, but Tweety wasn't going to give him a passing grade for that, not even "E" for effort.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)stopbush
(24,396 posts)Trump not prepping for his debate, then Johnson gets asked a softball question and absolutely freezes.
Guess who else didn't prep?
Vinca
(50,261 posts)Gary Johnson is not unlike your daffy Libertarian neighbor who refuses to believe Medicare is a government program. The man is as unqualified as Trump.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts).... issues outside his wheelhouse of less government he just goes to the "economy of scale" libertarian excuse because they don't want to look like assholes.
Police? economy of scale
Fire fighter? some economy of scale
Too much weed
spiderpig
(10,419 posts)I saw it live and was
Sancho
(9,067 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)But he couldn't remember his name and needed help from Weld to do so.
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)JCMach1
(27,556 posts)He, apparently, smokes on a regular basis (even daily). That was according to an interview I saw earlier in the Summer.