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Gary Johnson could not name a single world leader he admires... (Original Post) Cooley Hurd Sep 2016 OP
He said Mr. Aleppo bigwillq Sep 2016 #1
LOL Auggie Sep 2016 #14
!!! Tarheel_Dem Sep 2016 #38
Saw that. He's not exactly a walking endorsement for legalizing weed. spiderpig Sep 2016 #2
He is goofy. And I can't help but think pot has something to do with it. redwitch Sep 2016 #54
I'm shocked at how bad he is. I'd had no real experience of him, but he's awful. nolabear Sep 2016 #3
I give millennials more credit than to actually vote for someone as ill-informed as Mr. Johnson. Mamajami Sep 2016 #13
God I hope so. nolabear Sep 2016 #15
Not me. Not after hearing the applause they gave his Snowden pardon promise. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #27
The New York Times and Guardian have endorsed his pardon. white_wolf Sep 2016 #64
Edward Snowden is a lying narcissist and a con artist. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #68
Take it up with the New York Times or the Guardian. white_wolf Sep 2016 #82
And the WaPo didn't, so you see the pardon campaign Blue_Tires Sep 2016 #84
To be a liberterian Matthew28 Sep 2016 #4
that is a very "trappy" question, actually. unblock Sep 2016 #5
Not for genuinely knowledgeable people, and who else should Hortensis Sep 2016 #9
Sounds good in theory but they're all flawed unblock Sep 2016 #19
You want only perfect leaders named? Or Hortensis Sep 2016 #30
i'm just saying it's not as easy a question as people seem to think it is. unblock Sep 2016 #36
Okay. And I'm saying that knowledgeable people have Hortensis Sep 2016 #40
Honestly this is a realm where the media have a lot of power unblock Sep 2016 #50
The Pope would be a pretty safe answer bmstee01 Sep 2016 #10
You might think, but it could offend unblock Sep 2016 #18
Has there ever been a single politician maligned for saying they respect the Pope? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #33
maligned in the press? not sure, maybe not. but in real life? unblock Sep 2016 #37
It's simply "admire" - not "idolize" etc. jberryhill Sep 2016 #77
He comes across as a man uninterested in learning or knowing about the world. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #12
Yes. There are two kinds of people. :) Hortensis Sep 2016 #43
You can still admire a leader for their good qualities. Frank Cannon Sep 2016 #20
Sadly politics doesn't work that way unblock Sep 2016 #21
Considering some of his other answers I do not think his lack of reply has anything to do.... bettyellen Sep 2016 #24
i wasn't suggesting his non-answer was out of an abundance of caution. unblock Sep 2016 #39
I think I'd have several choices to pick from as a role model if I was trying for a job like that... bettyellen Sep 2016 #47
You mean the adage that you can't please all people all of the time is true? BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #34
Another unsupported allegation. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #79
I was able to name Justin Trudeau right off the bat. bullwinkle428 Sep 2016 #42
That would have been my answer too unblock Sep 2016 #51
No... it's a valid question asked of many, many political candidates. LanternWaste Sep 2016 #78
Oh good Lawd. What a country. BootinUp Sep 2016 #6
He is a joke. gademocrat7 Sep 2016 #7
Very Palin-like workinclasszero Sep 2016 #8
Yeah Proud Liberal Dem Sep 2016 #74
Right workinclasszero Sep 2016 #75
He is ridiculously unqualified to run for President. BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #11
He sure keeps referring to Clinton negatively meadowlark5 Sep 2016 #16
That's where the money is- angry punitive men.... bettyellen Sep 2016 #26
He's definitely trying to take votes away from Clinton ... Trump's voters are not worth associating Greywing Sep 2016 #41
In NM he ran as a Republican for governor womanofthehills Sep 2016 #45
I know. But he knew he couldn't get the republican nomination meadowlark5 Sep 2016 #49
They're both probably part of the same Putin cabal RonniePudding Sep 2016 #48
Because he's too high all the time to pay attention to anything NoGoodNamesLeft Sep 2016 #17
Dave's not here !!!! Monk06 Sep 2016 #23
Who the hell is Dave? NoGoodNamesLeft Sep 2016 #28
Cheech and Chong bit from their first album Monk06 Sep 2016 #61
Never listened to their albums or seen their movies NoGoodNamesLeft Sep 2016 #62
Dave's Not Here is an iconic meme for stoners who are a bit out of it in the what's going on dept Monk06 Sep 2016 #63
Ah, ok NoGoodNamesLeft Sep 2016 #80
That makes no sense womanofthehills Sep 2016 #46
I started off really supporting medical marijuana, but recreational advocates have really soured me NoGoodNamesLeft Sep 2016 #58
But if it were legal, he wouldn't be having people show up at his door to collect. JTFrog Oct 2016 #85
If your academic and social convictions are so weak as to be reassigned by the mere stance LanternWaste Sep 2016 #81
Consider that the Former Governor of New MEXICO Couldn't Remember Name of Former President of MEXICO Stallion Sep 2016 #22
That ticket should GP6971 Sep 2016 #25
I could see Johnson answering, "Dr. No," and then saltpoint Sep 2016 #29
It was like watching a "Drunk History" snippet... no way are those guys top tier. nt procon Sep 2016 #31
Taking a lesson from Sarah Palin, he could have said: guillaumeb Sep 2016 #32
At least Der Tantrumfuhrer can name world leaders he admires Rocknrule Sep 2016 #35
ROFLMAO! Maddow just ran a clip of Johnson saying "I need to get smarter" and 1 of her producers BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #44
But could name every variety of dope in the 420 shop The_Casual_Observer Sep 2016 #52
I doubt it. Whatever Johnson might say about weed, I don't see him as the kind of afficianado BobbyDrake Sep 2016 #53
+1 uponit7771 Sep 2016 #69
Typical Libertarian, they do not believe in going anywhere, why does Johnson even want to be Thinkingabout Sep 2016 #55
Is that guy stoned all the time or what? Blue Idaho Sep 2016 #56
And people would throw away a perfectly good vote for these clowns??? Initech Sep 2016 #57
It boggles my mind too. Third Doctor Sep 2016 #59
To his credit Zambero Sep 2016 #60
It was Weld who mentioned Peres, not Johnson. stopbush Sep 2016 #66
Nice set up by Tweety who had earlier asked him what he he thought of stopbush Sep 2016 #65
If Bill Weld had any self respect at all, he would immediately bail. Vinca Sep 2016 #67
+1, when it comes to anything foreign he's childishly apathetic and when it comes to domestic.... uponit7771 Sep 2016 #70
Pit bull Tweety at his best. spiderpig Sep 2016 #71
Let him debate...he's an idiot... Sancho Sep 2016 #72
He eventually came up with Vicente Fox oberliner Sep 2016 #73
He has been smoking to much dope :-). His brain is fried. redstatebluegirl Sep 2016 #76
Walking PSA on why not to become a pothead... JCMach1 Sep 2016 #83

redwitch

(14,944 posts)
54. He is goofy. And I can't help but think pot has something to do with it.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:56 PM
Sep 2016

That being said I know plenty of people who partake and would have done a better job with that than he did. He seems to have no memory at all. Let's not elect him!

nolabear

(41,959 posts)
3. I'm shocked at how bad he is. I'd had no real experience of him, but he's awful.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:43 PM
Sep 2016

How did he get this far? Weld isn't nearly as bad, and keeps trying to help.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
27. Not me. Not after hearing the applause they gave his Snowden pardon promise.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:20 PM
Sep 2016

An entire generation who grew up in prosperity and peace doesn't care that their ignorance is dangerous.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
64. The New York Times and Guardian have endorsed his pardon.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 02:04 AM
Sep 2016

I highly doubt their editorial boards are made up of millennials. As for an era of peace and prosperity, a lot of Millennials grew up post -911 era and lived through the Iraq War. Many of us were entering the job market during the worst economic climate since the Great Depression. So stop with your broad brush "entire generation" comments unless you think we should hold all Boomers responsible for giving us Reagan, Bush I and II and the worst economy since the Great Depression.

For the record, I think Libertarianism is one of the biggest cons in the history of American politics. I supported Obama in 08, 12, Sanders in the primaries and Clinton in the general election.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
68. Edward Snowden is a lying narcissist and a con artist.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 07:14 AM
Sep 2016

Seems strange you can recognize it in libertarianism but not from a man who claims he's a whistle-blower, but refused to use any of the whistle-blower avenues available to him in America, choosing to flee into the bosom of one of America's biggest foreign adversaries instead. A man who claims he was protesting domestic surveillance and then proceeded to expose foreign intelligence activity that had nothing to do with domestic surveillance. A man who lied to his coworkers to steal their passwords and access as part of his efforts to thieve documents that were outside his clearance level, which he then took out of the country and exposed to foreign intelligence services, actively damaging the USA in the process.

Seems very strange.

white_wolf

(6,238 posts)
82. Take it up with the New York Times or the Guardian.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 02:11 PM
Sep 2016

My argument wasn't necessary concerning rather Snowden deserves to be pardoned. We could, and DU probably has, dedicated entire posts to that discussion. I was simply arguing that if you're going to dismiss all Millennials due the fact that some of them supported Snowden then you must also dismiss the New York Times and the Guardian for that very same reason.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
5. that is a very "trappy" question, actually.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:43 PM
Sep 2016

i'm certainly not an expert on all of them, but it's the sort of thing where almost any answer has pros and cons. hard to find one without any cons. unless it's fair game to pick someone from the past that you know is a "safe" pick.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
9. Not for genuinely knowledgeable people, and who else should
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:46 PM
Sep 2016

be running for the presidency? He should be able to name several off the top of his head for different reasons.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. You want only perfect leaders named? Or
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:23 PM
Sep 2016

only perfect namers? Hillary Clinton could talk for many long hours about leaders around the planet and the situations in which they govern. Please don't pretend that's nothing because she and they are not perfect.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
40. Okay. And I'm saying that knowledgeable people have
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:13 PM
Sep 2016

many choices of good ways to answer that question. How on earth could someone for whom a little question like that poses real danger function as president? (Actually, I'm wondering how anyone who had a problem meeting that challenge function as a competent governor.)

unblock

(52,196 posts)
50. Honestly this is a realm where the media have a lot of power
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:47 PM
Sep 2016

Especially for third party candidates. They give them such limited airtime that they can make find the one answer that makes them look brilliant or horrible or stupid or whatever they and and ignore everything else they said.

I agree though, he would have done better to come up with a name....

unblock

(52,196 posts)
18. You might think, but it could offend
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:57 PM
Sep 2016

Non-Catholics; Catholics who think he's too liberal; and Catholics who think he's too conservative.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
33. Has there ever been a single politician maligned for saying they respect the Pope?
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:32 PM
Sep 2016

I'd be happy to be proved wrong....

unblock

(52,196 posts)
37. maligned in the press? not sure, maybe not. but in real life?
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:03 PM
Sep 2016

absolutely. any mention of the pope is controversial. a lot of people have very strong opinions one way or the other.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
77. It's simply "admire" - not "idolize" etc.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:12 AM
Sep 2016

And the way you deal with it is by picking out a particular quality, like....

"I admire the Pope's ability to connect with and inspire people. Of course the US government is a secular institution for and by people of all faiths or no religious beliefs at all."

Asking someone to pick someone they admire, for some quality or another, is not an endorsement of whomever they come up with.

Really, it comes down to "Pick one nice thing to say about someone, while being sure not to buy into whatever else that person might stand for."

It's not a trick question. ANY politician can do this.
 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
12. He comes across as a man uninterested in learning or knowing about the world.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:48 PM
Sep 2016

And yet somehow seems proud of it, despite how dumb it's making him look.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
43. Yes. There are two kinds of people. :)
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:25 PM
Sep 2016

And he seems to be one of them.

Seriously, some people have a thirst for knowledge and fascination with the big world, and they are constantly learning about that big world from childhood on.

Others have little intellectual curiosity but live rich, satisfying, worthwhile lives centered in their own small worlds filled with their people. They genuinely have little interest in what's outside, most of their attention to it being occupied with comfortable agreements with friends about what's wrong with everyone out there. Without any real interest, learning about the world beyond the interstate, or even the vast complexities of themselves, is a chore to be avoided as much as possible.

Politics has too many of the latter who believe they have a duty to put their wisdom to work.

Reminds me of when a young man we watched grow up turned down a chance to spend 6 weeks in Greece as an exchange student, his totally sincere and complete explanation, "Why would I?" literally took my breath away. Talk about an epiphany. Mine.

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
20. You can still admire a leader for their good qualities.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:00 PM
Sep 2016

Unless, of course, you can't name any world leaders and don't know enough about any of them to describe what those qualities are.

And unless, of course, you're a shiftless pothead Libertarian who isn't motivated enough to care about much of anything.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
21. Sadly politics doesn't work that way
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:06 PM
Sep 2016

You can't say you admire lbj for getting civil rights laws passed without pissing off people who hate him because of vietnam.

"Admiring" someone is taken as endorsing everything about them. It shouldn't be that way perhaps, but it is.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
24. Considering some of his other answers I do not think his lack of reply has anything to do....
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:17 PM
Sep 2016

With being too careful. Motor cycle helmet laws?
LOL.

unblock

(52,196 posts)
39. i wasn't suggesting his non-answer was out of an abundance of caution.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:04 PM
Sep 2016

i agree it's more likely blank mind, ill-prepared.

just saying the answer isn't obvious even for someone who knows a lot about foreign leaders.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
47. I think I'd have several choices to pick from as a role model if I was trying for a job like that...
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:34 PM
Sep 2016

I think it also means he's always been realistic that he's not going anywhere. So why bother study.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
79. Another unsupported allegation.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:26 AM
Sep 2016

""Admiring" someone is taken as endorsing everything about them..."

Another unsupported allegation. It's becoming rather consistent.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
78. No... it's a valid question asked of many, many political candidates.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:24 AM
Sep 2016

When then , did other candidates, allowing themselves answers to the same question, fall into this alleged trap you describe, and what were the precise consequences?

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
11. He is ridiculously unqualified to run for President.
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:47 PM
Sep 2016

"I'd reduce Planned Parenthood funding by 20%, just like everything else."

Moron.

meadowlark5

(2,795 posts)
16. He sure keeps referring to Clinton negatively
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:51 PM
Sep 2016

But isn't really saying much about Trump. Sounds like Johnson really doesn't like Clinton and seems fine with Trump.

 

bettyellen

(47,209 posts)
26. That's where the money is- angry punitive men....
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:18 PM
Sep 2016

The ones that literally have the least to loose.

Greywing

(1,124 posts)
41. He's definitely trying to take votes away from Clinton ... Trump's voters are not worth associating
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:18 PM
Sep 2016

with.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
17. Because he's too high all the time to pay attention to anything
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 07:54 PM
Sep 2016

This man is going to single-handedly turn me completely against even medical marijuana.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
62. Never listened to their albums or seen their movies
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 01:22 AM
Sep 2016

Not a fan, so that explains why I had no clue what you were referring to.

 

NoGoodNamesLeft

(2,056 posts)
58. I started off really supporting medical marijuana, but recreational advocates have really soured me
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 10:15 PM
Sep 2016

I lived in a state that legalized medical marijuana and dispensaries. I voted for it and immediately after something passed there was non-stop push for full legalization. I oppose recreational legalization. I have personal experience with myself and my children being abused and my children going without things they needed because their father was addicted to it. That addiction put me and my kids at risk when he started selling and went into debt and people looking to collect used to show up at the door. It was very difficult for me to get beyond that history to support medical marijuana in the first place, so I have to say that I find Johnson utterly repulsive. I think candidates should need to pass drug tests before they can get on the ballot. He's not serious at all and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the main people who support him only do because they want recreational use of marijuana legalized and don't give a rat's ass about the country.

I know that view will be unpopular and I may get flamed to a crisp but I don't care. I have spelled out why I feel the way I do and it's not going to change.

I know there are some people who benefit from medical marijuana and I support their ability to use it. I still 100% oppose legalized recreational marijuana. Just the smell of it triggers my own PTSD from being abused by someone addicted to it.

 

JTFrog

(14,274 posts)
85. But if it were legal, he wouldn't be having people show up at his door to collect.
Sat Oct 1, 2016, 12:44 PM
Oct 2016

I think that should be obvious.

I'm not going to flame you, but I will guarantee you the guy had problems other than "addiction" to marijuana.

Out of curiosity, are/were you in favor of prohibition? There are assholes who drink, there are assholes who smoke. An asshole who smokes is more likely to be an asshole all the time than someone who turns into an asshole drinking.

Just sayin.....





 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
81. If your academic and social convictions are so weak as to be reassigned by the mere stance
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 11:28 AM
Sep 2016

If your academic and social convictions are so weak as to be reassigned by the mere stance of one other individual, you may want to revisit how how you analyze those convictions.

Stallion

(6,474 posts)
22. Consider that the Former Governor of New MEXICO Couldn't Remember Name of Former President of MEXICO
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:10 PM
Sep 2016

who he later said he admired. Weld sitting next to him finally had to throw out names of Zedillo and Fox

GP6971

(31,141 posts)
25. That ticket should
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:18 PM
Sep 2016

have been reversed...Weld/Johnson. Although Johnson as #1 suits me just fine if it discredits their party and limits the impact on Hillary.

Rocknrule

(5,697 posts)
35. At least Der Tantrumfuhrer can name world leaders he admires
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 08:37 PM
Sep 2016

...such as Kim Jong-un, Saddam, Pol Pot, and of course, his butt buddy Putin

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
44. ROFLMAO! Maddow just ran a clip of Johnson saying "I need to get smarter" and 1 of her producers
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:28 PM
Sep 2016

laughed out loud from off-screen. Loudly!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
53. I doubt it. Whatever Johnson might say about weed, I don't see him as the kind of afficianado
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:56 PM
Sep 2016

that cares what style or blend he smokes. I bet he still puffs weed with stems and seeds in it, because that's how guys his age learned to do it.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
55. Typical Libertarian, they do not believe in going anywhere, why does Johnson even want to be
Wed Sep 28, 2016, 09:57 PM
Sep 2016

president, we do not live alone anymore, we are in a global society.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
60. To his credit
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 12:23 AM
Sep 2016

Johnson knew his town hall had been turned into burnt toast, and he didn't resort to a Palinism, which might have sounded something like: "All of them. I like all of them. Whichever ones happen to be around". He did grab a straw or two however, citing the late Shimon Peres, but Tweety wasn't going to give him a passing grade for that, not even "E" for effort.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
65. Nice set up by Tweety who had earlier asked him what he he thought of
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 03:21 AM
Sep 2016

Trump not prepping for his debate, then Johnson gets asked a softball question and absolutely freezes.

Guess who else didn't prep?

Vinca

(50,261 posts)
67. If Bill Weld had any self respect at all, he would immediately bail.
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 07:04 AM
Sep 2016

Gary Johnson is not unlike your daffy Libertarian neighbor who refuses to believe Medicare is a government program. The man is as unqualified as Trump.

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
70. +1, when it comes to anything foreign he's childishly apathetic and when it comes to domestic....
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 07:22 AM
Sep 2016

.... issues outside his wheelhouse of less government he just goes to the "economy of scale" libertarian excuse because they don't want to look like assholes.

Police? economy of scale
Fire fighter? some economy of scale

Too much weed

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
73. He eventually came up with Vicente Fox
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 07:35 AM
Sep 2016

But he couldn't remember his name and needed help from Weld to do so.

JCMach1

(27,556 posts)
83. Walking PSA on why not to become a pothead...
Thu Sep 29, 2016, 04:52 PM
Sep 2016

He, apparently, smokes on a regular basis (even daily). That was according to an interview I saw earlier in the Summer.

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