Everyone I personally know who is voting for Jill Stein

[La Lioness Priyanka]

Does not have a single right that may be taken away from them if the Supreme Court falls to Republicans or if the Republicans pursue the same sort of agenda as the last Republican administration.

Not a single one.

Must be nice.

And therein lies the reality of the Jill Stein voter.

[MichiganVote]

1. Everyone of them then values their vote more than the country that supports us all.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

4. some of these people came to my wedding, and i retroactively want to disinvite them

you cannot come to my wedding, and vote in a way that may make my marriage null and void.

[MichiganVote]

7. We live in an age of consumerism. People extend that idea to voting and look where it has gotten us.

They value their votes as a personal expression, a thumbs up or down as though they were choosing which cell phone to buy. Or they associate themselves as a preferred brand by raising up one party over another-in place of choosing the best option for the leader of the free world.

People didn't vote for Roosevelt b/c they were a dem. or a repub. They voted for him because he was the best choice they had for the worst choices that any person in this office can or will be presented with.

People need to get back to the basics of the job description and stop inflating their ego's with meaningless campaign prattle. They unwittingly add to the notion of electoral consumerism and it is damaging us as a nation.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

8. i also think our individualism has become pathological.

[MichiganVote]

10. Individualism vs. collectivism. We're unbalanced. People forget, countries do break up.

And its not pretty.

[Demsrule86]

23. I think a right wing court could again criminalize being gay.

My daughter is gay. This is one of the reasons I hate anyone who helps Trump in any way.She has a serious girlfriend and should be able to marry the person she loves.

[mcar]

31. A childhood friend of mine

married his long time partner yesterday in a small, family only ceremony. These two wonderful men raised the partner's two children to adulthood and are warm, intelligent, caring human beings.

I pity anyone who doesn't celebrate their commitment and disdain anyone who would take that legality from them.

[Maru Kitteh]

19. I can't just give it away to someone who doesn't make me feel special

[MichiganVote]

20. Love, love it!

[NurseJackie]

21. ... and there you have it! It's perfect. Nothing more needs to be said.

[liberalmuse]

2. Exactly!

It must be really nice to have the luxury of putting your firmly held ideals before actual human beings. That is rare privilege many people don't have, namely people of color, women, LGBT and immigrants.

And it's also immoral:
http://qz.com/717255/ethicists-say-voting-with-your-heart-without-a-care-about-the-consequences-is-actually-immoral/

[La Lioness Priyanka]

3. oh yea, for people prattling about voting with their conscience, this is an amoral decision. nt

[liberalmuse]

5. It is if you knowingly cause more suffering.

And a lot of these people know Donald Trump getting into the WH would be bad for Muslims, Gays, Women, etc, but hey, if their conscience is clear, then i say "go for it".

[La Lioness Priyanka]

6. exactly. people confuse conscience and ego. your need to feel unique and self satisfied

does not make your decision moral.

[liberalmuse]

9. It breaks my heart.

Knowing that children of American Muslims and people of color are asking their parents if everything is going to be alright. It makes me want to weep sad, angry tears knowing there are Americans who are rightfully afraid for their futures simply because Trump is demonizing them. It's unacceptable! I just wish some people would think about this when they voted.

[liberal N proud]

11. Everyone has rights they could lose if the SCOTUS is chosen by the republicans

They may not see anything current but who knows what the nut job righties will dream up next to oppress others unlike them.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. not really. some rights are flimsier than others.

voting rights for black people and POC overall, gay marriage for LGBT people, and abortion for example.

[bettyellen]

38. What rights are endangered for cis hetero white men?

Seriously have not heard about their particular struggles?

[Lifelong Protester]

12. The more I hear about her

the more I can't even possibly think of voting for her. I may not be crazy about HRC, but I'm not crazy! I didn't march for women's rights for nothing! The Supreme Court is my main reason for not voting for her (that and I live in WI, a 'leans blue' state-I want to make sure it is blue!)

[Maru Kitteh]

22. Thank you for that. I hope

I hope time and and open heart will prove to you that HRC is a solid liberal who will make a fine president.

But for now, baby steps, so - THANK YOU! Stronger Together!

[Lifelong Protester]

39. Thank you for the kind words.

As a former BoBer, I'm glad to feel welcomed.

[Snotcicles]

13. What timing. Thom Hartmann was talking about that a half hour ago. nt

[Cryptoad]

15. She's a Liar and her Heart pumps Dookey!

besides that I haven't got much to say about her,,,, still trying to figure out why we are talking about her on a Democratic Site.

[thesquanderer]

16. Are you in a state that Hillary is in no danger of losing? (n/t)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

24. she won't lose NY, but if this sort of thinking is truly an issues of entitlement

people in blue states with democrats from top to bottom like NY and NYC in particular are protected by Democrats legislating progressive laws, hence their utter disregard for people for whom the federal govt and SC are their only lines of defense is just callous.

if it's really a conscience issue, then you shouldn't ask someone in georgia or michigan to disregard their conscience, while you get to vote yours.

i, however, will never believe this is a morality issue. this is a pure ego, sore loser, highly entitled person's way of voting.

[democrattotheend]

25. As a fellow New York resident, I have to disagree

I don't take for granted anything with regard to the state or federal government. As a lawyer, I care very much about the Supreme Court. But because I live in such a blue state, I would feel freer to cast a protest vote for president if I wanted to because I know that my vote for president won't effect the Supreme Court or federal legislation.

A few months ago when I was angry and depressed over the primaries, I seriously considered not voting for Hillary, but only because I know she will win New York. If I lived in a swing state I would never consider not voting for her.

In the end I decided to vote for her anyway because I decided the things I admire about her outweigh the things that give me pause, but I do feel free to cast a protest vote if I want for president not because I don't care about the Supreme Court and federal legislation or won't be effected by them, but because I know my vote will not effect these things.

[MoonRiver]

17. Fortunately I don't know anyone who's voting for her or the Libertarian guys.

But I try to avoid political talk at all costs. My husband and I are Hillary supporters and we talk politics non-stop. That and DU take care of my political addiction!

[democrattotheend]

26. I know many people voting libertarian

But with one exception, they are staunch libertarians who never would have considered voting for Hillary (though oddly, a couple of them would have considered voting for Bernie if he had won the nomination).

The one exception in my circle is a Bernie supporter who is liberal like me but grew up around libertarians and plans to vote for Gary Johnson now. However, she promised me that if Hillary has a chance of winning her red-leaning state she will vote for her.

[MichiganVote]

35. Libertarians are a idealists as much as any so called "faint hearted liberal"

[tavernier]

18. I personally don't know one single person

who even knows who she is, outside of my dem party friends. Ppl not involved in politics aren't aware of any candidates besides HRC or Trump.

[scscholar]

34. There's a lot of anti-vaxxers here in Seattle...

and Vashon Island which has the lowest rate of vaccination in the country is not far, so I know several people voting for her. There's also the healing with crystals thing.

[MichiganVote]

36. huh..wait till their kids, nieces or nephews get whopping cough and the other childhood diseases.

[tavernier]

37. My mother had polio and was crippled.

I was the first child in line to get a sugar cube at our closest distribution center.

Thank God my parents understood that science cured polio and their child would not have to be crippled.

I've had every vacs. I'm 70, fit, healthy, still running 5 K's.

My biggest problem these days is trying to understand why I don't feel old. I walk, run, still work full time, eat and drink most ppl under the table.

Looks like the many vacs over the years didn't really harm me that much.

[Person 2713]

27. Yep that's called something that stirs up emotions here , but ain't that something the truth!

[rjsquirrel]

28. Similarly true in my world

The biggest thing they fear is Whole Foods running out of gluten free non-GMO tempeh jerky.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. Ha ha! So true.

[JI7]

29. she isn't even a good candidate and has fucked up views on vaccines

[La Lioness Priyanka]

40. This is why I have way more respect for Gary Johnson

Voters. I disagree with the libertarians but at least Johnson has had some real governmental experience, stein has close to nothing. Their pick is not grossly irresponsible unlike stein.

[mcar]

30. This exactly!

No skin in the game.

[Kaleva]

32. If it wasn't for DU, I wouldn't know who Jill Stein was

[bluedigger]

41. I know one Stein supporter.

An ex coworker I recently reacquainted with on FB. We were both for Sanders originally. He personally fits your description of a voter with nothing at stake, but he does have a pet issue - he's a pro-Assad supporter of the Syrian regime...

[ZombieHorde]

42. Do you live in a swing state?

If you your friends aren't in a swing state, then their vote for POTUS is irrelevant, and knowing your vote is completely irrelevant can change the way you think about your vote.