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KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:29 PM Jul 2016

Poetic Fucking Justice: Trump is being brought down by a

Muslim-American. It is positively Shakespearean now. Mr. khan's son died in that shitbag of a war so that Trump's name would now and forever be associated with "shirker." I hope the entire fucking Republican Party goes down the tubes with Trump. They deserve nothing less.

God damn John McCain for not speaking out. There is not a single honorable one left among them.

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Poetic Fucking Justice: Trump is being brought down by a (Original Post) KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 OP
He's not being brought down oberliner Jul 2016 #1
I don't know. They might but I'll bet a few had to swallow hard. nolabear Jul 2016 #2
Mitt Romney should endorse Gary Johnson oberliner Jul 2016 #6
I think you're right. BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #71
It's very sick at the FReak site, but even a few there Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #86
Trump is now attacking Khan's wife. Only the white nationalists KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #5
As Trump said, he could shoot someone on the street and not lose support oberliner Jul 2016 #7
Trump can say whatever he wants. We don't have to believe it's true, stopbush Jul 2016 #10
Of course what he says is not true oberliner Jul 2016 #13
Have to agree with everything you've said. cheapdate Jul 2016 #72
If only Gary Johnson had his act together oberliner Jul 2016 #74
Right again. Alas, he doesn't. cheapdate Jul 2016 #75
Sane libertarians? Onyrleft Jul 2016 #77
Sane in relation to Trump oberliner Jul 2016 #100
When he shoots someone on 5th Ave... TeamPooka Jul 2016 #53
Trump attacked Mrs. Khan for not speaking at the Convention. It never ocurred to him that KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #12
But his people always figure out a way to make excuses for him oberliner Jul 2016 #15
McCain was an insider. Mrs. Khan is a GoldStar mother. I think all but the KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #21
Fox News did not even show the Khan speech oberliner Jul 2016 #23
I hear ya. Maybe i read the NY Times too much. - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #28
To me, the key is to rally our side to turn out in massive numbers oberliner Jul 2016 #31
Good point! - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #42
Yep! Onyrleft Jul 2016 #78
Always the best strategy LakeArenal Jul 2016 #133
His fans are subset of stupid and/or ignorant whites Zambero Jul 2016 #14
If the election were held today, he'd win the white vote by double digits oberliner Jul 2016 #16
It doesn't make me too proud to be a white male these days Zambero Jul 2016 #35
It is very depressing oberliner Jul 2016 #46
She's just another in what seems like a continuing series of broken hearts. calimary Jul 2016 #38
Thank you for this. My paroxysms of rage have also been strangely KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #49
Beautiful comment.......... MyOwnPeace Jul 2016 #123
Wish you were right but Orcrist Jul 2016 #76
I have relatives in Auburn-Opelika. I will have to check in KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #91
His 35% floor will stick with him Zambero Jul 2016 #9
Hopefully it will be a Hillary Clinton landslide victory oberliner Jul 2016 #11
I could think of nothing better than the election being called before the polls can close politicaljunkie41910 Jul 2016 #20
The media hasn't weighed in much on his style and mannerisms Zambero Jul 2016 #24
That's what his supporters like about him oberliner Jul 2016 #29
Note that Dan Rather called him on his statments, Stonepounder Jul 2016 #48
The news media made Trump workinclasszero Jul 2016 #82
can I add manipulative , deceiptful , liar and more ........ Kathy M Jul 2016 #118
I want her to carve him up like a Thanksgiving turkey. calimary Jul 2016 #41
hah!! sarae Jul 2016 #102
Sadly you are absolutely correct... StraightRazor Jul 2016 #17
He's going down. He can't win with just his rabid fans. AgadorSparticus Jul 2016 #32
We tend to forget that the people who support him radical noodle Jul 2016 #44
Exactly oberliner Jul 2016 #52
The sad thing is Enoki33 Jul 2016 #50
LOL.....his rabid fans aren't nearly enough for him to win. Cali_Democrat Jul 2016 #67
He only needs enough in a few states oberliner Jul 2016 #70
That's not enough. Look at the electoral map projections. Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #87
Except . . . DeltaLitProf Jul 2016 #79
Trump's rabid fans are a lost cause. Trump is losing the middle. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jul 2016 #85
They are not enough to get him elected nt. Demsrule86 Jul 2016 #89
His rabid fans would vote for Satan. But to moderate Indies, Trump is TOAST over this issue. RBInMaine Jul 2016 #90
He is definitely not toast over this issue oberliner Jul 2016 #96
His rabid fans are a minority treestar Jul 2016 #112
There's nothing he could do that will turn his fans off Politicub Jul 2016 #115
There is no one in the middle oberliner Jul 2016 #116
Not being snarky, but do you have qny data to support your assertion? I had KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #120
Fair question oberliner Jul 2016 #121
Your take makes as much or more sense than mine. - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #135
It's not his..."rabid fans".... we're trying to sway..... Jack from Charlotte Jul 2016 #117
Nope. None of them fit to clean my khans toilet onecaliberal Jul 2016 #3
Whole party should go down Let's pull the plug on this dying behemoth party of hate Person 2713 Jul 2016 #4
No. Let him be the candidate. marybourg Jul 2016 #19
Thomas E. Dewey (1948) gives Trump a run for his money for worst candidate in KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #22
He is definitely not the worst candidate in U.S. history oberliner Jul 2016 #26
Trump is worse than Wallace. Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #36
Wallace was a true believer oberliner Jul 2016 #40
Disagree, but that still makes Trump a racial opportunist Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #51
He is definitely that oberliner Jul 2016 #54
Good point. BigDemVoter Jul 2016 #73
For fuck's sake quit giving the guy so much credit. nt JTFrog Jul 2016 #39
I remember Mr Wallace very well, marybourg Jul 2016 #43
There have been a lot of awful people who have been candidates for POTUS oberliner Jul 2016 #45
The dying behemoth of hate I'm referring to is the Republican Party . Let trump take it to Hades! Person 2713 Jul 2016 #30
Hell no--that hate-filled gasbag is a GIFT. MADem Jul 2016 #58
Behemoth of hate I'm talking about is the republican party . Trump can lead to a dem sweep and Person 2713 Jul 2016 #60
They've been inching their way down Whig Road for years. MADem Jul 2016 #63
If Dump falls in a forest, does it make a tweet? fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #8
Sadly, yes mjjoe Jul 2016 #18
Good one! apcalc Jul 2016 #103
On the same week the Democrats Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #25
I tried to post a picture of the world's smallest violin, but it is KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #34
I hear ya Charles Bukowski Jul 2016 #56
We need to tie tRump's albatross around the necks of every Republican running for office this year. AllyCat Jul 2016 #27
not sure he is being brough down, but there were republilcans who refused to attend the republican still_one Jul 2016 #33
This feud he's trying to start with the Khans is going to be his undoing Dopers_Greed Jul 2016 #37
He could get away with attacking McCain's heroism, since McCain was and is a KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #47
At the very least it should peel away every Trump supporter sarae Jul 2016 #105
Trump is KKKarl Rove's perfect stepson NBachers Jul 2016 #55
KASICH spoke out--he condemned Trump's comments. MADem Jul 2016 #57
When he didn't show at their convention JustAnotherGen Jul 2016 #88
Wow! I love that sign. llmart Jul 2016 #125
I want one of those signs! smirkymonkey Jul 2016 #127
So, a Muslim-American couple of uncommon valor may play a crucial role in bringing down Donald Trump Cha Jul 2016 #59
I think Trump may have to drop out because of this. Just a vague presentiment KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #61
He has said bag loads of nasty. Let him bring the whole party down with him in a Nov sweep Person 2713 Jul 2016 #68
He'd better take the whole party with him. sarae Jul 2016 #108
Muslim Immigrants, No Less! Derek L Jul 2016 #62
Such an incredibly compassionate amazing family.. Cha Jul 2016 #69
It infuriates me that he has the gall to criticize this family the way he has. sarae Jul 2016 #109
IMHO, McCain forfeited the right to any respect whatsoever when he said he would vote for 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #64
Agreed, but McCain might redeem himself a bit were he to denounce and KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #65
Agreed- that would put him back in positive numbers. 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #66
It wouldn't surprise me if that happens tomorrow Mellomugwump Jul 2016 #119
i agree. nt DesertFlower Jul 2016 #81
It's wrong to disparage another man's service. Onyrleft Jul 2016 #83
Incompetents can be heroes. Don the Con NEVER could and certainly demonstrated same. 63splitwindow Jul 2016 #110
Don't you go making fun of Panamanian strongman "Crash" McCain SwankyXomb Jul 2016 #113
kasich spoke out and did not attend the convention. DesertFlower Jul 2016 #80
That's true and I forgot his repudiation of Trump, both verbally and physically. So thank KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #92
Loser Donald Trump is a lowlife. His character is the worst of the worst. UCmeNdc Jul 2016 #84
I hear ya. I never thought I would despise anyone more than Bush and Cheney, but KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #95
The Dems were brilliant for bringing in the Khans IronLionZion Jul 2016 #93
I think they will still be writing about this 2-300 years from now, in KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #94
We're (both of us here) still crying. raven mad Jul 2016 #97
Yeah. I would normally gloat. But the tragic backstory tempers KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #99
Pure genius having the Kahn's speak at our convention. grossproffit Jul 2016 #98
I wish yeoman6987 Jul 2016 #101
I know what you mean. But I think the worm has turned I think KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #104
TrumpleThinSkin's kids were of selective service age after 9/11. DinahMoeHum Jul 2016 #106
Like Cheney, Trump's kids had "other priorities." - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #107
His saying he sacrificed by running his business treestar Jul 2016 #111
Just despicable spitting in the Khans' faces like that. - nt KingCharlemagne Jul 2016 #114
Agreed! LostinRed Jul 2016 #122
"Poetic Fucking Justice" amuse bouche Jul 2016 #124
I believe this is only the beginning as we see the attacks on Trump ramp up.... beachbum bob Jul 2016 #126
meanwhile, Neither Ryan nor Mitch M. repudiated Trump in their statements... riversedge Jul 2016 #128
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #129
One thousand one, one thousand two, one thousand 3... fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #130
Made it to about 7. fleabiscuit Jul 2016 #131
McCain's daughter has spoken out. George II Jul 2016 #132
Woo hoo! C Moon Jul 2016 #134
McCain released a long, scathing statement early this morning. George II Aug 2016 #136
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
1. He's not being brought down
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:31 PM
Jul 2016

His rabid fans agree with him and applaud him for not being politically correct.

nolabear

(41,984 posts)
2. I don't know. They might but I'll bet a few had to swallow hard.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:34 PM
Jul 2016

I'd like to hear what some have to say, frankly. I note there's quite a silence from over there.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
71. I think you're right.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:26 AM
Jul 2016

There are some who are still sitting on the fence, which I find completely unbelievable, but some of them could very well be turned off by more of his antics.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,002 posts)
86. It's very sick at the FReak site, but even a few there
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 03:48 AM
Jul 2016

Even a few at the FReak show for example are saying things like

Trump isn’t running against the Khans, he’s running against the Clintons. He’s stupid to get into an argument with the Khans. Steph baited him and Trump took the bait instead of changing the subject to Hillary. I’m voting for trump but I really don’t like him {I’m voting for Trump but I can’t stand him. -- written in another post.}

84 posted on 2016-07-31, 12:13:18 AM by WilliamIII


The Lame Cherry site is proposing that the Khan's son was a suicide bomber. I kid you not. http://conservativeangle.com/was-khzir-khans-son-a-suicide-bomber/

But yeah, it is noteworthy that there is not more conservative commentary about the Trump-Khan feud.
 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
5. Trump is now attacking Khan's wife. Only the white nationalists
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:36 PM
Jul 2016

will stay with him now. You cannot make this shit up.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
7. As Trump said, he could shoot someone on the street and not lose support
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:37 PM
Jul 2016

His fans are not going anywhere, no matter what he says or does.

Most of them believe Obama is a secret Muslim, and that all Muslims are secretly disloyal.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
10. Trump can say whatever he wants. We don't have to believe it's true,
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jul 2016

and neither do we have to confirm the media narrative that he can say or do anything he pleases without repercussion.

These latest comments may well be the equivalent of him shooting someone on 5th Avenue. We'll see just how much teflon he has left after this.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. Of course what he says is not true
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jul 2016

However, he does say and do anything he pleases without repercussion. That is not just a media narrative. The folks in the media actually have been wrong pretty much every step of the way on that score.

I remember when he made his comments about McCain, everyone in the media was saying he'd be done. But it didn't quite work out that way.

cheapdate

(3,811 posts)
72. Have to agree with everything you've said.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:32 AM
Jul 2016

Trump voters don't care about anything you, me, the media, DU, or anyone else says. And the number of sane conservative voters who will peel off and not vote GOP is small.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
74. If only Gary Johnson had his act together
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:37 AM
Jul 2016

A more appealing Libertarian candidate would have a shot at pulling some of those sane conservative voters away from Trump.

Onyrleft

(344 posts)
77. Sane libertarians?
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:25 AM
Jul 2016

Sane Randroids? Libertarianism may be selfish and greedy enough to appeal to sophmoric twentysomethings; but it's never growing into a philosophy for grownups.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
100. Sane in relation to Trump
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jul 2016

Obviously there is a contingent of semi-reasonable people who are not Democrats but who are disgusted by Trump for one reason or another, but will never vote for Hillary. It would be great if there was a candidate that those voters could gravitate towards to help keep Trump's numbers down.

TeamPooka

(24,228 posts)
53. When he shoots someone on 5th Ave...
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:36 AM
Jul 2016

I'm betting it's Chris Christie.
He's totally expendable to Trump.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
12. Trump attacked Mrs. Khan for not speaking at the Convention. It never ocurred to him that
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jul 2016

she might be too grief-stricken to speak. Translation: he's an inhuman monster, incapable of feeling or even simulating empathy. I expect the polling next week to show the bottom falling out of his campaign. He might even drop out in 1-2 weeks.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
15. But his people always figure out a way to make excuses for him
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jul 2016

He made fun of John McCain for being a POW, for crying out loud.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
21. McCain was an insider. Mrs. Khan is a GoldStar mother. I think all but the
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:49 PM
Jul 2016

Aryan Nation folk are going to desert the sinking ship. But I hear ya.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. Fox News did not even show the Khan speech
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:57 PM
Jul 2016

You have to remember that they have an alternate version of reality on their side.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
31. To me, the key is to rally our side to turn out in massive numbers
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:03 AM
Jul 2016

Let's not worry too much about Trump and his fans. Let's focus on getting more Latinos and African-Americans, for instance, to register and to vote. Hillary wins big if those communities vote in large numbers.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
14. His fans are subset of stupid and/or ignorant whites
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:44 PM
Jul 2016

That leaves thinking whites and most everyone else against him. Diversity will carry the day.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
16. If the election were held today, he'd win the white vote by double digits
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:45 PM
Jul 2016

He'd win the white male vote by 20+ percent.

Scary, I know, but it's true.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
35. It doesn't make me too proud to be a white male these days
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:07 AM
Jul 2016

I don't quite understand the level of support he gets with my demographic. Lyndon Johnson offered an interesting comment, not quoted exactly, but along the lines of "Show me the lowest white man who can be convinced that he is superior to a black man, and I'll show you someone whose pocket I can pick". That at least partially explains the so-called southern strategy and how southern whites and more than a few up north have been conned into supporting a party that does not represent their best interests. "Identity politics" is an interesting phenomena, and I am very thankful not to have been pulled into it.

calimary

(81,295 posts)
38. She's just another in what seems like a continuing series of broken hearts.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jul 2016

Dear God - another mother in agony. Just agony. You could hear her trying to keep her composure during the Lawrence O'Donnell interview. I was, too. I cried like a colicky baby for 35 straight minutes - which is how long their interview lasted. I just could not stop crying. Hell, I'm crying right now as I write this.

Shit. SO many mothers - in agony. This sweet, sweet lady. The "Mothers of the Movement." The mothers. It's the mothers who rip my heart to pieces. Because I can't help but think of MY son. And MY daughter. Can anyone imagine having their precious baby torn from them forever? I just wanted to hold her and hold her and hold her.

And to have that ASSHOLE whine about how much HE'S suffered, too... He has no soul. Truly, Tony Schwartz was right. He's the ghostwriter of "The Art of the Deal." He was on that same Lawrence O'Donnell show, following that interview with Mr. and Mrs. Khan. He characterized Donald Trump as such a damaged human being he's like a black hole. Just me-me-me, sucking up all the attention he can get, no matter what kind, as long as it's attention on him. A black hole.

Sometimes I wish I knew where I could find a genie lamp. One you'd rub and then the genie would be released, and would grant a wish. I wish I could wish all those lost babies back to their mothers' arms. Starting with Mrs. Khan.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
49. Thank you for this. My paroxysms of rage have also been strangely
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:29 AM
Jul 2016

interrupted by crying too. I cannot gloat, but I take no small satisfaction in watching karma play itself out before our very eyes.

MyOwnPeace

(16,927 posts)
123. Beautiful comment..........
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:31 PM
Jul 2016

"I just wanted to hold her and hold her and hold her."

Me, I just wanted to grab Drump's throat and hold and hold - and I normally do NOT believe in violence.

 

Orcrist

(73 posts)
76. Wish you were right but
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:46 AM
Jul 2016

I live in Alabama and the rank and file down here will not abandon him over this. Sad to say but it's true. They will not care if he mocks a Muslim couple no matter how honorably their son gave his life for this country.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
91. I have relatives in Auburn-Opelika. I will have to check in
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jul 2016

With them. Altho they are mostly university types, so probly not representative of the state.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
9. His 35% floor will stick with him
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jul 2016

Above that, his soft support has begun to melt away. And the Russian mess he's stepped into will further erode his campaign. Not to mention the fact that he is fundamentally lazy and cannot be motivated to engage in a winning campaign.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
11. Hopefully it will be a Hillary Clinton landslide victory
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:41 PM
Jul 2016

I am just constantly amazed at how he is able to say the most outlandish things and still maintain his support and be taken seriously as a candidate who is within a few points of Hillary.

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
20. I could think of nothing better than the election being called before the polls can close
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:48 PM
Jul 2016

in California. It would be poetic justice. I decidedly lopsided victory for Hillary and a resounding defeat for the King of the KNOW NOTHINGS.

Zambero

(8,964 posts)
24. The media hasn't weighed in much on his style and mannerisms
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:58 PM
Jul 2016

Arrogant, brash, boastful, rude, insulting. What he says is one one thing, but the way in which he delivers it is even more off-putting

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. That's what his supporters like about him
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:00 AM
Jul 2016

As far as I am concerned, the key to HRC winning this election is not in trying to reach out to Republicans, but in turning out the "Obama Coalition" voters in massive numbers. Register more Latinos and African-Americans and Muslims.

Stonepounder

(4,033 posts)
48. Note that Dan Rather called him on his statments,
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:18 AM
Jul 2016

even recalling the ghost of McCarthyism...ending his note with, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
82. The news media made Trump
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:49 AM
Jul 2016

During the primaries on msnbc and cnn they followed Trump 24/7 and reported every hateful word he uttered.

calimary

(81,295 posts)
41. I want her to carve him up like a Thanksgiving turkey.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:12 AM
Jul 2016

The election's in November. It'd be so appropriate.

 

StraightRazor

(260 posts)
17. Sadly you are absolutely correct...
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jul 2016

in fact most of his followers go even further than he did - the vitriol on his Twitter feed is astounding.

AgadorSparticus

(7,963 posts)
32. He's going down. He can't win with just his rabid fans.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

This will alienate him from the sane(er) folks on the right.

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
44. We tend to forget that the people who support him
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jul 2016

feel the same way about Muslims (and Mexicans and African Americans and everyone else who isn't white and Christian). That's why he gets by with it. He's saying the things that they are dying to say but they know some of their friends would absolutely be appalled.

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
50. The sad thing is
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:33 AM
Jul 2016

they do not seem to know the difference between being political incorrect and moral bankruptcy.

DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
79. Except . . .
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:34 AM
Jul 2016

. . . presidential races are won and lost with independent voters. Trump's attacks on this couple are going to lose him more percentage points of this bloc than he can afford.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
96. He is definitely not toast over this issue
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:25 AM
Jul 2016

It will blow over and be forgotten in a few days like everything else (Melania plagiarizing, Judge of Mexican descent, McCain, etc)

treestar

(82,383 posts)
112. His rabid fans are a minority
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:42 AM
Jul 2016

He can't win with them alone.

And some of them will reconsider. The military is sacred to the right wing.

Politicub

(12,165 posts)
115. There's nothing he could do that will turn his fans off
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:22 AM
Jul 2016

It's everyone else -- those in the middle -- that need to be convinced that this wild-eyed madman can never be the leader of the free world.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
116. There is no one in the middle
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:23 AM
Jul 2016

That is my assertion.

The key is for us to get our side to vote in huge numbers. To register more African-Americans, Latinos, etc. and do everything possible to make it easy for them to vote.

That's how we win.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
120. Not being snarky, but do you have qny data to support your assertion? I had
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jul 2016

always proceeded as though each party enjoyed roughly 40% support with the battleground being the 20% of independent voters. But I would be extremely hard-pressed to source my claim were you to ask me.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
121. Fair question
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:30 PM
Jul 2016

I would need to dig a little deeper into the most recent polling data.

From my experience so far in following this election, it does not seem that there are a lot of people who are torn between voting for Trump and voting for Clinton. It seems that the "undecideds" are either right-wingers who don't like Trump, aren't comfortable voting for him, but will never vote for Hillary, and left-wingers who don't like Hillary, but would never vote for Trump.

But I am open to seeing data that belies these observations.

Jack from Charlotte

(2,367 posts)
117. It's not his..."rabid fans".... we're trying to sway.....
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 11:44 AM
Jul 2016

It's the next 5-10% of supporters......Some of whom can be picked off, we're trying to get.

Forget the rabids. Give us 2,3,5% points of those discussed by him and.... The play, sir is over.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
4. Whole party should go down Let's pull the plug on this dying behemoth party of hate
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:35 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:58 AM - Edit history (1)

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
19. No. Let him be the candidate.
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:47 PM
Jul 2016

He is the worst candidate in U.S. history. And the Publicans own him. Why would we want to see him removed and replaced with someone better (since there's no-one worse)?

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
22. Thomas E. Dewey (1948) gives Trump a run for his money for worst candidate in
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:52 PM
Jul 2016

U.S. history. But I take your point.

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
51. Disagree, but that still makes Trump a racial opportunist
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:35 AM
Jul 2016

Not much better. Throw in the fact that Dimwitted Donald would lose a debate to Palin, and you have very clearly the worst presidential nominee in US history. Hand down.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
54. He is definitely that
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:40 AM
Jul 2016

But there have been many such opportunists who have run for president. And there have been many people with viewpoints more vile and loathsome. It doesn't take away from Trump's awfulness to say that there have been others.

BigDemVoter

(4,150 posts)
73. Good point.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jul 2016

Wallace actually believe all that racist superiority crap. Trump doesn't believe in anything except ripping people off and looking out for himself. He hasn't had one moment during this entire election cycle (or ever?) where he's taken responsibility for something he's done. He either denies or or blames it on somebody else--Just like a a spoiled, awful brat.

marybourg

(12,631 posts)
43. I remember Mr Wallace very well,
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:13 AM
Jul 2016

but he was not a major party candidate. Although he ran for the Dem ticket, he wasn't nominated and ran on the American Independent ticket. And honestly, it's a close question who's worse. Wallace was only crazy in one way and he eventually renounced his raciest views. Trump is completely unfit in almost every possible way.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
45. There have been a lot of awful people who have been candidates for POTUS
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:15 AM
Jul 2016

That's the only point I want to make.

Trump is certainly spectacularly awful, but there have been others.

Candidates have run for President explicitly supporting slavery, for instance.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
58. Hell no--that hate-filled gasbag is a GIFT.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:48 AM
Jul 2016

He is a gift that will deliver unto us the White House, and will depress turnout to benefit us in downticket races.

He is a lovely present from the GOP, wrapped up in bright, racist, bigoted paper and tied with a homophobic bow.

Shove that plug back in, we can pull it in November.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
60. Behemoth of hate I'm talking about is the republican party . Trump can lead to a dem sweep and
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jul 2016

the whole dying republican party can be left in ashes
He may be thier figurehead , but the whole party is a big hate machine IMO and not just since trump

MADem

(135,425 posts)
63. They've been inching their way down Whig Road for years.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:00 AM
Jul 2016

They've managed to forestall the inevitable with cheating, with screwing with electronic voting, with voter caging, with reduced polling places in largely Dem districts, with restrictive registration/voter ID laws...but the bottom line is, they're losing voters who aren't angry and white and feeling "put upon" by having to share the High Road of Privilege with those women and minorities.

As they approach their tipping point all I can do is smile--it can't happen soon enough to suit me.

mjjoe

(260 posts)
18. Sadly, yes
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:46 PM
Jul 2016

First he will deny that he ever fell and instead insist that he knocked over trees with his "best ever" bare hands. There will be follow up tweets about Hillary Clinton rigging the forest floor to make him trip over tree roots. Sad!!

 

Charles Bukowski

(1,132 posts)
25. On the same week the Democrats
Sat Jul 30, 2016, 11:59 PM
Jul 2016

deliver a masterful convention in Philly (even Republicans praised it) Trump commits treason, and then attacks the mother and father of a fallen infantryman.

Paul Ryan must be downing pepto-bismol by the gallon right now.




still_one

(92,204 posts)
33. not sure he is being brough down, but there were republilcans who refused to attend the republican
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:04 AM
Jul 2016

convention, and refused to endorse trump. Granted, it wasn't the majority of republicans, but there were some, Kasich comes to mind. You are also right, McCain has no honor. After the insults bush hurled at him in 2000, and trump hurled at him this time, and he still bends his knee.

What a spineless hack

Dopers_Greed

(2,640 posts)
37. This feud he's trying to start with the Khans is going to be his undoing
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:08 AM
Jul 2016

Even though I've been consistency surprised by how many things have NOT been his undoing so far.

I think this is it.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
47. He could get away with attacking McCain's heroism, since McCain was and is a
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:17 AM
Jul 2016

Washington insider.But atfacking a (non-insider) Gold Star Mother??? That is going to be it for all but the KKK cohort.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
105. At the very least it should peel away every Trump supporter
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jul 2016

who isn't a white supremacist. I don't know how someone can justify supporting him unless they truly believe white people are superior.

IMO, everything he's done to this point makes him an unmitigated racist, but maybe some people will see this as the last straw.

NBachers

(17,115 posts)
55. Trump is KKKarl Rove's perfect stepson
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:42 AM
Jul 2016

He puts out an outrageous lie or verbal atrocity. By the time everyone starts to lambaste him for it, he has put out five more of the same. Each one overrides the previous one for attention. And none of them matter to his supporters. They don't operate on truth, fairness, or reality.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
57. KASICH spoke out--he condemned Trump's comments.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:45 AM
Jul 2016

So...there's ONE. https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/759574122221432832



John KasichVerified account
?@JohnKasich
There's only one way to talk about Gold Star parents: with honor and respect. Capt. Khan is a hero. Together, we should pray for his family.


Someone needs to corner McCain and force him to answer.


JustAnotherGen

(31,828 posts)
88. When he didn't show at their convention
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 05:03 AM
Jul 2016

Was the start of his 2020 campaign. He's definitely running with the slogan, "I Told You So".

Cha

(297,265 posts)
59. So, a Muslim-American couple of uncommon valor may play a crucial role in bringing down Donald Trump
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:50 AM
Jul 2016
Jeffrey Goldberg
✔ ?@JeffreyGoldberg
So, a Muslim-American couple of uncommon valor may play a crucial role in bringing down Donald Trump. God has a great sense of humor.
9:37 AM - 30 Jul 2016
3,033 3,033 Retweets 5,451 5,451 likes

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/07/30/captain-humayun-khan-son-friend-muslim-hero/#comments

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
61. I think Trump may have to drop out because of this. Just a vague presentiment
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:55 AM
Jul 2016

at this point, a vague tickling of the hair on the back of my neck.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
68. He has said bag loads of nasty. Let him bring the whole party down with him in a Nov sweep
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:13 AM
Jul 2016

instead
If his voters haven't been offended yet I doubt this is the end of thier fan club nd the media knows they have a 100 days more of batshit crazy with good ratings so they won't push for him to step down via journalism IMO
He is a train wreck but I think he judged his crowd right when he said something like he could shoot a guy and still have voters
The remaining cesspool of republican trump voters need a reality check with a landslide and down ticket sweep come Nov

sarae

(3,284 posts)
108. He'd better take the whole party with him.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:35 AM
Jul 2016

As someone posted a few days ago, "You broke it, you bought it."

There's no justice in this world if the morally bankrupt Repukes who supported him don't pay a price for this shit.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
109. It infuriates me that he has the gall to criticize this family the way he has.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:38 AM
Jul 2016

He's totally devoid of any compassion or empathy.

 

63splitwindow

(2,657 posts)
64. IMHO, McCain forfeited the right to any respect whatsoever when he said he would vote for
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jul 2016

the slimeball who said, about him, "I like people who weren't captured." He is now a ZERO.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
65. Agreed, but McCain might redeem himself a bit were he to denounce and
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 01:08 AM
Jul 2016

repudiate Trump for attacking the Khans.

Mellomugwump

(93 posts)
119. It wouldn't surprise me if that happens tomorrow
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:40 PM
Jul 2016

It would be the perfect timing for him. Unfortunately none of us will respect him for it because we know he's already forfeited his integrity In the name of votes. His daughter and granddaughter are paving the way for him.

Onyrleft

(344 posts)
83. It's wrong to disparage another man's service.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:53 AM
Jul 2016

But......



Four destroyed planes!?!?


One more and McCain would've been an enemy ace.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
92. That's true and I forgot his repudiation of Trump, both verbally and physically. So thank
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:40 AM
Jul 2016

you for reminding me. His politics are far too conservative-reactionary for my tastes, but Kasich does have a moral center.

UCmeNdc

(9,600 posts)
84. Loser Donald Trump is a lowlife. His character is the worst of the worst.
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 02:59 AM
Jul 2016

I cannot describe how much I now despise the man. Loser Donald Trump has no moral backbone. Now I am starting to question the whole GOP. How can the Republicans support this man and his despicable actions? GOP leaders need to say enough is enough.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
95. I hear ya. I never thought I would despise anyone more than Bush and Cheney, but
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jul 2016

Trump routinely tests that limit.

IronLionZion

(45,447 posts)
93. The Dems were brilliant for bringing in the Khans
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jul 2016

Because Trump's people are responding with the prejudice and bigotry that we would expect rather than anything to honor our fallen soldiers of all backgrounds. It's true that Trump was attacked/provoked, and it's great! He deserved it.

"You have sacrificed nothing and no one".

And a Muslim immigrant would know the US constitution better than the Republican nominee for president.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
94. I think they will still be writing about this 2-300 years from now, in
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 08:47 AM
Jul 2016

the histories of this campaign and American political campaigns in general.

A brilliant masterstroke.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
99. Yeah. I would normally gloat. But the tragic backstory tempers
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

mightily any glee on my part. I too have been tearing up at odd moments.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
104. I know what you mean. But I think the worm has turned I think
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jul 2016

Trump may drop out by the end of August.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
111. His saying he sacrificed by running his business
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 10:41 AM
Jul 2016

as compared to a soldier who died protecting his company will make him look horrible forever.

 

beachbum bob

(10,437 posts)
126. I believe this is only the beginning as we see the attacks on Trump ramp up....
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:50 PM
Jul 2016

can't wait to have the attacks by people that trump skipped out on paying.....or the people who lost their homes when trump paid the locals off and used eminent domain....or the investors that lost big.....


we have hundreds, if not thousands of these stories out there....and we should see weekly releases and attacks on trump....and he he can do his lie...lie ....lie

he was the victim....he was the victim....he was the victim....all the way to the bank


the gOP could had taken trump out in the primaries with this line of attack....Hillary and the DNC will not miss this opportunity

riversedge

(70,239 posts)
128. meanwhile, Neither Ryan nor Mitch M. repudiated Trump in their statements...
Sun Jul 31, 2016, 06:56 PM
Jul 2016


http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-khizr-khan-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-20160731-story.html


....................In statements released Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan condemned any criticism of Muslim Americans who serve their country and rejected the idea of a Muslim travel ban — an idea proposed by Trump earlier in the campaign. But neither statement mentioned Trump by name or repudiated him.

McConnell praised Capt. Khan as an "American hero," while Ryan noted that many Muslim Americans have served "valiantly" in the U.S. military.................


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