2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumPoetic Fucking Justice: Trump is being brought down by a
Muslim-American. It is positively Shakespearean now. Mr. khan's son died in that shitbag of a war so that Trump's name would now and forever be associated with "shirker." I hope the entire fucking Republican Party goes down the tubes with Trump. They deserve nothing less.
God damn John McCain for not speaking out. There is not a single honorable one left among them.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)His rabid fans agree with him and applaud him for not being politically correct.
nolabear
(41,984 posts)I'd like to hear what some have to say, frankly. I note there's quite a silence from over there.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That would be a game changer, possibly.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)There are some who are still sitting on the fence, which I find completely unbelievable, but some of them could very well be turned off by more of his antics.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Even a few at the FReak show for example are saying things like
84 posted on 2016-07-31, 12:13:18 AM by WilliamIII
The Lame Cherry site is proposing that the Khan's son was a suicide bomber. I kid you not. http://conservativeangle.com/was-khzir-khans-son-a-suicide-bomber/
But yeah, it is noteworthy that there is not more conservative commentary about the Trump-Khan feud.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)will stay with him now. You cannot make this shit up.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)His fans are not going anywhere, no matter what he says or does.
Most of them believe Obama is a secret Muslim, and that all Muslims are secretly disloyal.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)and neither do we have to confirm the media narrative that he can say or do anything he pleases without repercussion.
These latest comments may well be the equivalent of him shooting someone on 5th Avenue. We'll see just how much teflon he has left after this.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)However, he does say and do anything he pleases without repercussion. That is not just a media narrative. The folks in the media actually have been wrong pretty much every step of the way on that score.
I remember when he made his comments about McCain, everyone in the media was saying he'd be done. But it didn't quite work out that way.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Trump voters don't care about anything you, me, the media, DU, or anyone else says. And the number of sane conservative voters who will peel off and not vote GOP is small.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A more appealing Libertarian candidate would have a shot at pulling some of those sane conservative voters away from Trump.
cheapdate
(3,811 posts)Onyrleft
(344 posts)Sane Randroids? Libertarianism may be selfish and greedy enough to appeal to sophmoric twentysomethings; but it's never growing into a philosophy for grownups.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Obviously there is a contingent of semi-reasonable people who are not Democrats but who are disgusted by Trump for one reason or another, but will never vote for Hillary. It would be great if there was a candidate that those voters could gravitate towards to help keep Trump's numbers down.
TeamPooka
(24,228 posts)I'm betting it's Chris Christie.
He's totally expendable to Trump.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)she might be too grief-stricken to speak. Translation: he's an inhuman monster, incapable of feeling or even simulating empathy. I expect the polling next week to show the bottom falling out of his campaign. He might even drop out in 1-2 weeks.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He made fun of John McCain for being a POW, for crying out loud.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Aryan Nation folk are going to desert the sinking ship. But I hear ya.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)You have to remember that they have an alternate version of reality on their side.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)Let's not worry too much about Trump and his fans. Let's focus on getting more Latinos and African-Americans, for instance, to register and to vote. Hillary wins big if those communities vote in large numbers.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)LakeArenal
(28,819 posts)Keep your mind on your own game.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)That leaves thinking whites and most everyone else against him. Diversity will carry the day.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)He'd win the white male vote by 20+ percent.
Scary, I know, but it's true.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)I don't quite understand the level of support he gets with my demographic. Lyndon Johnson offered an interesting comment, not quoted exactly, but along the lines of "Show me the lowest white man who can be convinced that he is superior to a black man, and I'll show you someone whose pocket I can pick". That at least partially explains the so-called southern strategy and how southern whites and more than a few up north have been conned into supporting a party that does not represent their best interests. "Identity politics" is an interesting phenomena, and I am very thankful not to have been pulled into it.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That sentiment you cited from LBJ is still relevant today certainly.
calimary
(81,295 posts)Dear God - another mother in agony. Just agony. You could hear her trying to keep her composure during the Lawrence O'Donnell interview. I was, too. I cried like a colicky baby for 35 straight minutes - which is how long their interview lasted. I just could not stop crying. Hell, I'm crying right now as I write this.
Shit. SO many mothers - in agony. This sweet, sweet lady. The "Mothers of the Movement." The mothers. It's the mothers who rip my heart to pieces. Because I can't help but think of MY son. And MY daughter. Can anyone imagine having their precious baby torn from them forever? I just wanted to hold her and hold her and hold her.
And to have that ASSHOLE whine about how much HE'S suffered, too... He has no soul. Truly, Tony Schwartz was right. He's the ghostwriter of "The Art of the Deal." He was on that same Lawrence O'Donnell show, following that interview with Mr. and Mrs. Khan. He characterized Donald Trump as such a damaged human being he's like a black hole. Just me-me-me, sucking up all the attention he can get, no matter what kind, as long as it's attention on him. A black hole.
Sometimes I wish I knew where I could find a genie lamp. One you'd rub and then the genie would be released, and would grant a wish. I wish I could wish all those lost babies back to their mothers' arms. Starting with Mrs. Khan.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)interrupted by crying too. I cannot gloat, but I take no small satisfaction in watching karma play itself out before our very eyes.
MyOwnPeace
(16,927 posts)"I just wanted to hold her and hold her and hold her."
Me, I just wanted to grab Drump's throat and hold and hold - and I normally do NOT believe in violence.
Orcrist
(73 posts)I live in Alabama and the rank and file down here will not abandon him over this. Sad to say but it's true. They will not care if he mocks a Muslim couple no matter how honorably their son gave his life for this country.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)With them. Altho they are mostly university types, so probly not representative of the state.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Above that, his soft support has begun to melt away. And the Russian mess he's stepped into will further erode his campaign. Not to mention the fact that he is fundamentally lazy and cannot be motivated to engage in a winning campaign.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am just constantly amazed at how he is able to say the most outlandish things and still maintain his support and be taken seriously as a candidate who is within a few points of Hillary.
politicaljunkie41910
(3,335 posts)in California. It would be poetic justice. I decidedly lopsided victory for Hillary and a resounding defeat for the King of the KNOW NOTHINGS.
Zambero
(8,964 posts)Arrogant, brash, boastful, rude, insulting. What he says is one one thing, but the way in which he delivers it is even more off-putting
oberliner
(58,724 posts)As far as I am concerned, the key to HRC winning this election is not in trying to reach out to Republicans, but in turning out the "Obama Coalition" voters in massive numbers. Register more Latinos and African-Americans and Muslims.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)even recalling the ghost of McCarthyism...ending his note with, "Have you no sense of decency, sir? At long last, have you left no sense of decency?"
workinclasszero
(28,270 posts)During the primaries on msnbc and cnn they followed Trump 24/7 and reported every hateful word he uttered.
Kathy M
(1,242 posts)calimary
(81,295 posts)The election's in November. It'd be so appropriate.
It would be the best Thanksgiving ever.
StraightRazor
(260 posts)in fact most of his followers go even further than he did - the vitriol on his Twitter feed is astounding.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)This will alienate him from the sane(er) folks on the right.
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)feel the same way about Muslims (and Mexicans and African Americans and everyone else who isn't white and Christian). That's why he gets by with it. He's saying the things that they are dying to say but they know some of their friends would absolutely be appalled.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Well said. Couldn't agree more. Scary but true.
Enoki33
(1,587 posts)they do not seem to know the difference between being political incorrect and moral bankruptcy.
Cali_Democrat
(30,439 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's what is important to remember.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)DeltaLitProf
(769 posts). . . presidential races are won and lost with independent voters. Trump's attacks on this couple are going to lose him more percentage points of this bloc than he can afford.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,002 posts)Demsrule86
(68,582 posts)RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)It will blow over and be forgotten in a few days like everything else (Melania plagiarizing, Judge of Mexican descent, McCain, etc)
treestar
(82,383 posts)He can't win with them alone.
And some of them will reconsider. The military is sacred to the right wing.
Politicub
(12,165 posts)It's everyone else -- those in the middle -- that need to be convinced that this wild-eyed madman can never be the leader of the free world.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That is my assertion.
The key is for us to get our side to vote in huge numbers. To register more African-Americans, Latinos, etc. and do everything possible to make it easy for them to vote.
That's how we win.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)always proceeded as though each party enjoyed roughly 40% support with the battleground being the 20% of independent voters. But I would be extremely hard-pressed to source my claim were you to ask me.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I would need to dig a little deeper into the most recent polling data.
From my experience so far in following this election, it does not seem that there are a lot of people who are torn between voting for Trump and voting for Clinton. It seems that the "undecideds" are either right-wingers who don't like Trump, aren't comfortable voting for him, but will never vote for Hillary, and left-wingers who don't like Hillary, but would never vote for Trump.
But I am open to seeing data that belies these observations.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Jack from Charlotte
(2,367 posts)It's the next 5-10% of supporters......Some of whom can be picked off, we're trying to get.
Forget the rabids. Give us 2,3,5% points of those discussed by him and.... The play, sir is over.
onecaliberal
(32,861 posts)Person 2713
(3,263 posts)Last edited Sun Jul 31, 2016, 12:58 AM - Edit history (1)
marybourg
(12,631 posts)He is the worst candidate in U.S. history. And the Publicans own him. Why would we want to see him removed and replaced with someone better (since there's no-one worse)?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)U.S. history. But I take your point.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Do you remember George Wallace?
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Trump is a bigot AND an imbecile.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Trump is full of crap.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)Not much better. Throw in the fact that Dimwitted Donald would lose a debate to Palin, and you have very clearly the worst presidential nominee in US history. Hand down.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)But there have been many such opportunists who have run for president. And there have been many people with viewpoints more vile and loathsome. It doesn't take away from Trump's awfulness to say that there have been others.
BigDemVoter
(4,150 posts)Wallace actually believe all that racist superiority crap. Trump doesn't believe in anything except ripping people off and looking out for himself. He hasn't had one moment during this entire election cycle (or ever?) where he's taken responsibility for something he's done. He either denies or or blames it on somebody else--Just like a a spoiled, awful brat.
JTFrog
(14,274 posts)marybourg
(12,631 posts)but he was not a major party candidate. Although he ran for the Dem ticket, he wasn't nominated and ran on the American Independent ticket. And honestly, it's a close question who's worse. Wallace was only crazy in one way and he eventually renounced his raciest views. Trump is completely unfit in almost every possible way.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)That's the only point I want to make.
Trump is certainly spectacularly awful, but there have been others.
Candidates have run for President explicitly supporting slavery, for instance.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)He is a gift that will deliver unto us the White House, and will depress turnout to benefit us in downticket races.
He is a lovely present from the GOP, wrapped up in bright, racist, bigoted paper and tied with a homophobic bow.
Shove that plug back in, we can pull it in November.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)the whole dying republican party can be left in ashes
He may be thier figurehead , but the whole party is a big hate machine IMO and not just since trump
MADem
(135,425 posts)They've managed to forestall the inevitable with cheating, with screwing with electronic voting, with voter caging, with reduced polling places in largely Dem districts, with restrictive registration/voter ID laws...but the bottom line is, they're losing voters who aren't angry and white and feeling "put upon" by having to share the High Road of Privilege with those women and minorities.
As they approach their tipping point all I can do is smile--it can't happen soon enough to suit me.
fleabiscuit
(4,542 posts)mjjoe
(260 posts)First he will deny that he ever fell and instead insist that he knocked over trees with his "best ever" bare hands. There will be follow up tweets about Hillary Clinton rigging the forest floor to make him trip over tree roots. Sad!!
apcalc
(4,465 posts)Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)deliver a masterful convention in Philly (even Republicans praised it) Trump commits treason, and then attacks the mother and father of a fallen infantryman.
Paul Ryan must be downing pepto-bismol by the gallon right now.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)too small to see here.
Charles Bukowski
(1,132 posts)May the stench of Clown Donald stay with these assholes for all eternity.
AllyCat
(16,187 posts)still_one
(92,204 posts)convention, and refused to endorse trump. Granted, it wasn't the majority of republicans, but there were some, Kasich comes to mind. You are also right, McCain has no honor. After the insults bush hurled at him in 2000, and trump hurled at him this time, and he still bends his knee.
What a spineless hack
Dopers_Greed
(2,640 posts)Even though I've been consistency surprised by how many things have NOT been his undoing so far.
I think this is it.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Washington insider.But atfacking a (non-insider) Gold Star Mother??? That is going to be it for all but the KKK cohort.
sarae
(3,284 posts)who isn't a white supremacist. I don't know how someone can justify supporting him unless they truly believe white people are superior.
IMO, everything he's done to this point makes him an unmitigated racist, but maybe some people will see this as the last straw.
NBachers
(17,115 posts)He puts out an outrageous lie or verbal atrocity. By the time everyone starts to lambaste him for it, he has put out five more of the same. Each one overrides the previous one for attention. And none of them matter to his supporters. They don't operate on truth, fairness, or reality.
MADem
(135,425 posts)So...there's ONE. https://twitter.com/JohnKasich/status/759574122221432832
John KasichVerified account
?@JohnKasich
There's only one way to talk about Gold Star parents: with honor and respect. Capt. Khan is a hero. Together, we should pray for his family.
Someone needs to corner McCain and force him to answer.
JustAnotherGen
(31,828 posts)Was the start of his 2020 campaign. He's definitely running with the slogan, "I Told You So".
llmart
(15,540 posts)Those should be on lawns everywhere.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I could think of a few more choice adjectives to add to it though.
Cha
(297,265 posts)✔ ?@JeffreyGoldberg
So, a Muslim-American couple of uncommon valor may play a crucial role in bringing down Donald Trump. God has a great sense of humor.
9:37 AM - 30 Jul 2016
3,033 3,033 Retweets 5,451 5,451 likes
https://theobamadiary.com/2016/07/30/captain-humayun-khan-son-friend-muslim-hero/#comments
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)at this point, a vague tickling of the hair on the back of my neck.
Person 2713
(3,263 posts)instead
If his voters haven't been offended yet I doubt this is the end of thier fan club nd the media knows they have a 100 days more of batshit crazy with good ratings so they won't push for him to step down via journalism IMO
He is a train wreck but I think he judged his crowd right when he said something like he could shoot a guy and still have voters
The remaining cesspool of republican trump voters need a reality check with a landslide and down ticket sweep come Nov
sarae
(3,284 posts)As someone posted a few days ago, "You broke it, you bought it."
There's no justice in this world if the morally bankrupt Repukes who supported him don't pay a price for this shit.
Derek L
(2 posts)Delightful
Cha
(297,265 posts)Have you seen this, Derek?
https://theobamadiary.com/2016/07/29/the-hug-seen-around-the-world/#comments
sarae
(3,284 posts)He's totally devoid of any compassion or empathy.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)the slimeball who said, about him, "I like people who weren't captured." He is now a ZERO.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)repudiate Trump for attacking the Khans.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)Mellomugwump
(93 posts)It would be the perfect timing for him. Unfortunately none of us will respect him for it because we know he's already forfeited his integrity In the name of votes. His daughter and granddaughter are paving the way for him.
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)Onyrleft
(344 posts)But......
Four destroyed planes!?!?
One more and McCain would've been an enemy ace.
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)SwankyXomb
(2,030 posts)Unless it's really funny!
DesertFlower
(11,649 posts)he's governor of ohio -- an important state.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)you for reminding me. His politics are far too conservative-reactionary for my tastes, but Kasich does have a moral center.
UCmeNdc
(9,600 posts)I cannot describe how much I now despise the man. Loser Donald Trump has no moral backbone. Now I am starting to question the whole GOP. How can the Republicans support this man and his despicable actions? GOP leaders need to say enough is enough.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Trump routinely tests that limit.
IronLionZion
(45,447 posts)Because Trump's people are responding with the prejudice and bigotry that we would expect rather than anything to honor our fallen soldiers of all backgrounds. It's true that Trump was attacked/provoked, and it's great! He deserved it.
"You have sacrificed nothing and no one".
And a Muslim immigrant would know the US constitution better than the Republican nominee for president.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)the histories of this campaign and American political campaigns in general.
A brilliant masterstroke.
raven mad
(4,940 posts)tRump, YOU are the weakest link.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)mightily any glee on my part. I too have been tearing up at odd moments.
grossproffit
(5,591 posts)USA! USA! USA!
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)He's had a million political lives for a year. I doubt this is the last one.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Trump may drop out by the end of August.
DinahMoeHum
(21,794 posts)Where are their friggen dog-tags?
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)as compared to a soldier who died protecting his company will make him look horrible forever.
KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)LostinRed
(840 posts)amuse bouche
(3,657 posts)beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)can't wait to have the attacks by people that trump skipped out on paying.....or the people who lost their homes when trump paid the locals off and used eminent domain....or the investors that lost big.....
we have hundreds, if not thousands of these stories out there....and we should see weekly releases and attacks on trump....and he he can do his lie...lie ....lie
he was the victim....he was the victim....he was the victim....all the way to the bank
the gOP could had taken trump out in the primaries with this line of attack....Hillary and the DNC will not miss this opportunity
riversedge
(70,239 posts)http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-khizr-khan-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-20160731-story.html
....................In statements released Sunday, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell and House Speaker Paul Ryan condemned any criticism of Muslim Americans who serve their country and rejected the idea of a Muslim travel ban an idea proposed by Trump earlier in the campaign. But neither statement mentioned Trump by name or repudiated him.
McConnell praised Capt. Khan as an "American hero," while Ryan noted that many Muslim Americans have served "valiantly" in the U.S. military.................
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