Are protesters REALLY trying to shout down John Lewis during his MSNBC interview?

[EffieBlack]

Are you KIDDING me?

And they think anyone needs to continue reaching out to them because they're "grieving?" This doesn't look like grieving to me . . .

[EffieBlack]

1. Tamron Hall just laid waste to them

Good for her and good for him!

[George II]

119. Yes she did. A great job by her.

Not an exact quote, but she pointed out that Lewis was "beaten within an inch of your life" and they're throwing vitriol at him.

[JoePhilly]

2. Idiots

[geek tragedy]

3. the entire country is pretty much sick of the infantile Buster crowd.

Nobody likes them, nobody respects them, nobody has any desire to work with them, nobody gives a fuck what they want.

privileged snot-nosed punks

[still_one]

10. I would sure would not broad brush Bernie Supporters with that. I would venture that the vast

majority of Bernie supporters do NOT approve of this kind of disruptive behavior, especially toward a civil rights leader.

A recent PEW poll has indicated that more than 90% of Bernie supporters will be voting for Hillary.

The reason the few are getting all the attention is because they are trying to disrupt things, not because they are representative of most of the Sanders supporters

[geek tragedy]

17. I am not talking about Sanders supporters, I'm talking about the Busters, who are a kook fringe

Sanders supporters as a group showed that, if they can keep themselves organized, they can be a force for good.

The Busters are a bunch of overgrown children and petty narcissists who are in this for all of the wrong reasons.

[still_one]

31. I thought you were. Thanks. As has been pointed out below to me, you specified that.

The terminologies going around, I am not always savvy to.

Sorry about my misunderstanding

[pkdu]

20. To clarify...G_T said "Busters" , the ones screaming at John Lewis , not the vast majority of Bernie

Supporters.

[geek tragedy]

43. yes, I'm leaving Bernie's name out of the discussion because he has nothing to do

with them, and their motivations for acting out have nothing to do with him

[still_one]

46. my bad geek. Sorry about that, and appreciate the clarification

[emulatorloo]

83. Skinner gave us some very good guidelines the other day

Here if you didn't see it:

The primary-season framing of "Hillary Supporters" vs "Bernie Supporters" is a thing of the past
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12512303131

[still_one]

108. Thanks

[Blue_Adept]

23. geek tragedy was very specific in who was named

it was not Bernie supporters but rather the Busters, which as you pointed out, is a very small but VERY vocal and distracting percentage.

You're seeing a broad brush applied where one was not.

[still_one]

37. Thanks, I am not always familiar with the terminology being used. Appreciate the education

[SticksnStones]

25. Agreed. I can readily distinguish Busters from Bernie Supporters

They are two entirely separate camps.

Busters don't seem to hold 'defeating Trump' as a priority whereas the vast majority of Bernie Supporters do.

It's seems easy to tell them apart, really...

[still_one]

47. Thanks

[lapucelle]

57. I wish the media would try to make that distinction.

But then again, that would wreck the "disunity" narrative that they have already scripted.

[SticksnStones]

96. Well I guess that's the business they're in...

It's a politics version of 'if it bleeds, it leads'

[lapucelle]

113. There's a young female anchor on CNN,

who keeps reminding everybody (guests and viewers alike) that today is her birthday. Today the news is all about HER. Isn't she special?

[SticksnStones]

132. LOL. It is curious...

I can remember a time when we worried about raising kids with healthy self-esteem

It's almost as though the pendulum has swung too far to the other extreme.

[yallerdawg]

45. We keep hearing 90%.

It appears the Democratic convention was in need of some order of its own. And perhaps we are seeing not just a convention in turmoil, but a party in turmoil as well. A new CNN/ORC Poll showed more than a third of Sanders supporters would not back Hillary Clinton.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/26/opinions/democratic-national-convention-reaction-mcenany/index.html

More than a third.

Isn't that around 4 out of 10? Not even close to 9 out of 10?

[whatthehey]

102. Can you find that response on the linked poll detail?

[yallerdawg]

103. Yes.

You can.

[whatthehey]

121. Page reference? Not seeing it...

[George II]

122. Hah. Like that response!

[still_one]

4. When was this interview?

[onecaliberal]

7. Just now.

[nolabear]

8. Just now. One or two screamers outside behind the stage set-up.

[still_one]

16. Thanks. Kind of what I suspected, one or two screamers. I am convinced that if they are truly

Bernie supporters, they represent a small minority of Sanders supporters.

[EffieBlack]

22. Small but mighty

It's amazing how much noise a few people can make. It's only a handful of people in most of these protests, but they are so loud, they drown out everyone else.

[nolabear]

29. Like mosquitoes.

[still_one]

34. I hope they don't have Zika.............. I know, bad joke

[tblue37]

158. Well, apparently they do suffer from the limited brain development that

is one of the possible side effects of Zika.

[still_one]

161. ..............

[GeorgeGist]

147. with MSNBC microphones on their lapels?

[leftynyc]

5. ASSHOLES

Not one of them is worthy to wipe John Lewis' ass. I'm done catering to them. They want to vote Green - let them but the days the Democrats catering to these losers should be LONG over.

[nolabear]

6. He's addressing it now. I'm just shocked at the ignorance and immaturity of shouting him down.

He's being gracious, respecting the struggle for change, and encouraging people not to give up. Meanwhile they continue to shout vitriolic slogans.

The difference in strength, power to actually create change and the grace to do what you CAN do and move forward from there is astounding.

[auntpurl]

52. John Lewis has faced a better class of bastard than these idiots. nt

[Armstead]

110. John Lewis and his peers were not well behaved in the 60's

They advanced their movement through protest.

I'm not defending the rudeness of busters, but at least you should be intellectually consistent not judgmental based on whether or not you agree with the protests.

[jtuck004]

114. You mean because they used their heads to beat other people in the fist, say on the

march to Montgomery?

Just fyi, these rude little nothings are not even close to what they were trying to accomplish back then. They were well-trained, well-organized, and had their eyes on the prize.

These people think the sound of their own voice is their reward.

That is being intellectually consistent.

[nolabear]

145. They protested in meaningful ways. Screaming "No TPP" at Elijah Cummings

and "Bullshit!" at John Lewis when they are trying to talk about the exact kinds of work for freedom and civil rights that they claim to be interested in helping does nothing to further their cause. And lest you're an all-or-nothingist, there's a long continuum between the two.

[one_voice]

153. +1

[NurseJackie]

9. If we're lucky, they'll destroy their "movement".

And I use that word intentionally ... with all its meanings.

[HERVEPA]

15. Talk about infantile

[NurseJackie]

19. Cope.

[Cha]

50. lol

Coping!

[NurseJackie]

71. I also. (As best as I can manage.)

Sometimes, we don't have a choice ... and as a result, we surprise even ourselves at what we're capable of.

(And then there are those who complain only for the sake of complaining. They appear to be never happy with anything because they're not actually "happy" UNLESS they're complaining. I can't imagine living like that, but apparently some people thrive on it and the negativity they perpetuate.)

[Cha]

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[still_one]

26. One thing for certain is they are hurting the movement, and are not a reflection of the majority of

Sanders supporters, where the latest PEW survey says 90% of Bernie supporters will be voting for Hillary

[NurseJackie]

36. Maybe more rational minds will prevail. Considering the damage being done ...

... they certainly should have enough motivation to address the problem.

[still_one]

44. Yes, the stakes have never been higher

[scheming daemons]

11. With every passing day, the most fanatical of Bernie's supporters keep marginalizing themselves more

[Maru Kitteh]

149. The nutjobs are behaving more like they actually hate him than care about seeing any of his

dreams move forward.

[EffieBlack]

12. Tamron Hall: "There are people in our audience yelling things"

"Some of them have been vitriolic, others have been their beliefs [regarding] democracy. They think Bernie Sanders didn't get the shake that they believe. You were beaten within an inch of your LIFE. You've seen democracy, the battle for civil rights at its ugliest. How do you communicate to those who choose to speak civilly and not violently to you here that there's something greater at risk here if Donald Trump becomes president?"

John Lewis: "It's important to recognize the fact we win some and sometimes we lose some. But we never give up. We never become bitter. I was beaten, left bloody, left unconscious fighting for the right to vote. But I never became bitter. I never lost hope."

Tamron and Rep. Lewis put these people to shame with their quiet eloquence.

[Tatiana]

18. Wow! That is an outstanding response. n/t

[sufrommich]

27. Yes they did.nt

[nolabear]

30. This is what maturity looks like. They can talk to me when they've fought that fight.

[JaneyVee]

33. Love him. Optimism > cynicism

[Starry Messenger]

42. +1000

[Cha]

55. Mahalo for that, Effie.. no tv here.

John Lewis & Tamron Hall

[auntpurl]

59. A great man.

A true inspiration and hero.

The only thing these protestors will be inspiring is my desire to have another shower after watching them.

[Il_Coniglietto]

66. What else can be said about the incredible Rep.

John Lewis? A true patriot and American hero. And words to live by: no matter what, no matter the obstacle, NEVER become bitter and NEVER lose hope!

[DemonGoddess]

75. They really did!

These entitled hooligans really have NO clue at all about what it means to have a real movement where you take your life in your hands every time you do something about it.

[Tatiana]

13. For those not by a television, what was said?

On edit - never mind. Just read EB's post above.

[RandySF]

14. Entitled children

We've raised a generation that thinks that thinks marching means a day of Pokemon Go.

[workinclasszero]

24. But they have suffered so much!

I mean Starbuck's every other day level suffering!

[RandySF]

28. Where is my whipped soy?

[workinclasszero]

39. No! Not that! (shudder)

Those poor babies.

[EffieBlack]

35. I had to explain to a friend that people who have the means and connections to travel to Philly

for 5 days, obtain floor passes (the most coveted credential) to a major national convention and are not arrested and smacked around when they shout and scream and try to drown out majorly powerful government and political officials (including the President and Vice President of the United States) cannot be called "oppressed" - at least not with a straight face.

[tonyt53]

51. Bingo!!!!!

[workinclasszero]

60. Yeah wish I had the cash $$$

to do that.

[DemonGoddess]

79. ^^^This!!!

Thank you!

[Turin_C3PO]

49. Please don't generation bash.

It's against TOS. Boomers have been maligned so badly here, I don't want the bashing to move down to Millennials. Remember, every poll shows that the younger generation holds far less bigoted views than their older counterparts. Plus they're largely liberal, unlike some of the older groups.

[cyberpunk]

92. Nice generation bashing there, bro, no WONDER millenials want nothing to do with you.

[sufrommich]

21. Yep. I don't think I would have been able to control myself

if I was standing next to them. They deserve a good slap.

[auntpurl]

61. Oh it's good I'm not there to see them screaming at John Lewis.

I'd be in jail.

[MineralMan]

32. It's the "Freedom of speech for me, but not for you" crowd.

What happened to the freedom to hear people speak?

[Renaissance Man]

38. As a black male, I tremendously respect John Lewis.

However, he used his teflon position as a civil rights leader and (during the primary) questioned Bernie Sanders' civil rights bonafides while saying that he knew Bill and Hillary Clinton (the same person that supported Barry Goldwater when she was a young Republican). I can't honestly say that if I were a delegate, I wouldn't be a little raucous either.

Some of this is leftover angst from the primaries. John Lewis' outright dismissal of Senator Sanders' record on Civil Rights issues and his involvement in the Civil Rights Movement (when there is literal video evidence of him being arrested as a CORE member) was unfair. Coupling this with Jonathan Capehart's repeat lying and failure to correct the record in the Washington Post concerning this same issue, well, stuff like this happens.

Yes. At this point, I agree that they're beyond the pale and acting like petulant children. Unfortunately, John Lewis decided that he would use that teflon civil rights platform and disparage a primary candidate. This is the response, however unfortunate.

[sufrommich]

41. Jesus,John Lewis dared to have a different opinion than

the pious purists of the left.Burn the heretic!!

[EffieBlack]

68. What does John Lewis know about oppression?

[workinclasszero]

85. When these assholes in the convention hall

and the flag burners outside take it down to the nearest Klan/Neo Nazi headquarters, unarmed with no news media or cops to protect them and get beaten within an inch of their fucking life...some will be killed of course...they will get a small taste of what John Lewis went through for freedom!

I have nothing but the utmost contempt for anyone that wants to scream slogans at John Lewis!

Fuck them!!! And the fuckin movement that sanctions behavior like that to heroes of the civil rights movement can go straight to hell as well!

[EffieBlack]

67. John Lewis has earned the right to express his opinion. And he has earned the right not to be rudely

shouted down by a bunch of petulant crybabies whose rights to protest were protected in blood by John Lewis himself.

And your rehash of the shameful efforts by BS supporters to smear him because he had the temerity to criticize their hero is really pathetic.

[Renaissance Man]

99. You "earn" a civil right by virtue of being American.

You earn the right to express your opinion by virtue of being an American.

John Lewis has earned respect, but the hero worship he receives and his subsequent use of what he did in the Civil Rights Movement to support someone who fervently supported an anti-Civil Rights platform (at the same time he was getting his head bashed in Selma for his support of it) and, to boot, publicly question a man (with actual video evidence of his civil rights work as a CORE member during the Civil Rights movement) was beyond the pale.

I'm not going to relitigate the primary, but this is what factually happened, right around the time of the South Carolina Primary. This is not a smear. It's what happened. Now, John Lewis is realizing that he's getting just as much as he gave out.

Just like he had the opportunity to use that civil right to engage in free speech diminishing Bernie in the primary, those same protesters earned their right to give him backlash. It's democracy.

[LanternWaste]

88. You'll of course provide us with specific and objective examples of this alleged

You'll of course provide us with specific and objective examples of this alleged "teflon civil rights platform,", yes?

[Tatiana]

95. Excellent response.

Some of us are forgetting history. Lewis has always backed the Clintons. In fact, he supported Hillary in the 2008 Presidential primary against Obama. So, he's not exactly an objective or unbiased agent in all this. He only switched his support to Obama after his constituents started complaining and heckling him.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/02/27/lewis-switches-from-clinton-to-obama/

Lewis is an individual who isn't immune to criticism just because he was an important participant in the civil rights movement, anymore than Jesse Jackson is.

But I agree that civility and respect are due. These protesters don't understand the sacrifice that has been made to come close to sharing in the freedoms and privilege they take for granted.

[emulatorloo]

139. This is the same shit we saw in primary wars, time to let it go.

Every politician who endorsed HRC rather than Bernie was immediately labeled 'corrupt' with no basis in reality.

Lewis is 'corrupt'. Sherrod Brown is 'corrupt'. Elizabeth Warren is 'corrupt'

I even see arguments on the Internet that Bernie Sanders is 'corrupt'

Sanders primary supporter here, and I found that behavior fact-free knee-jerk behavior misguided and still do. That someone prefers another candidate than we did does not make them 'corrupt.

Now you are seemingly badmouthing Lewis for actually listening and responding to his constituents in '08. To me that speaks well of Lewis' character. That is EXACTLY what we want our elected representatives to do.

It is time to drop this knee-jerk framing.

Thanks for hearing me out and have a great day!

[Tatiana]

143. You mistake my point. I'm not badmouthing him at all.

I was providing context as far as why he would disparage Bernie's record on civil rights.

Lewis did the right thing then. The protesters need to do the right thing now.

I don't think any of those people you mentioned are corrupt.

But have a great day, yourself.

[emulatorloo]

155. Please note I said 'seemingly'. Thanks for the clarification!

and I'm not surprised at all that you and I agree that these folks are not corrupt.

I just wanted to explain my irritation at what I view as the irrationality of these dead-enders.

I understand that neither you nor RM support the protesters actions, but you both seemed to be trying to rationalize their actions even though you don't like it.

I just wanted to counter that by noting that for many Busters their anger at Lewis etc is not necessarily rational but simply the knee-jerk response that every one who preferred HRC over Bernie is 'corrupt'

[redwitch]

115. Thank you. It broke my heart when John Lewis disavowed Bernie's work for civil rights.

John Lewis is a good and decent man but he was wrong to do that. I hope we go out on a high note tonight and I really wish the bashing of millenials would stop. They are not all petulant children.

[GreenPartyVoter]

156. I suspect it is at the root of it, yes.

[gademocrat7]

40. They need to leave.

Rude and insensitive.

[Bobbie Jo]

48. They have officially rendered themselves

irrelevant.

[procon]

53. There was a small group standing at the barrier, just beyond his right shoulder.

There were 4-5 people together, all appeared young, white and one young woman with curly red hair was wearing a blue tshirt with what appeared to be the 'Bernie' name on the front. It was the same shade of blue as all the other branded Bernie gear. While the word was visible when she lifted her arms to cup her hands around her mouth as she yelled at John Lewis, it was too far away to be 100% certain.

It looked like a few black folks stepped in, but they didn't appear confrontational, they said appeared to say something and then the obnoxious screaming kids walked away.

[Iliyah]

54. Wow, what a response from John Lewis!

TH - you go girl!

[treestar]

56. Even describing it as grieving is a bit OTT

I at least have not run into that before - I don't recall grieving in 2000, 2004, or any other time the candidate I wanted lost. It's politics. Maybe you get mad or motivated, but not sad. Not everyone can win.

[Vattel]

58. Lewis isn't above criticism.

The idol worship around here gets to be a bit much.

[Bobbie Jo]

63. "idol worship"

Not to be confused with "grieving," of course.

Ugh.

eta: it's called respect, and I'm quite sure he's earned it.

[sufrommich]

65. Ironic,isn't it? nt

[EffieBlack]

76. "How dare John Lewis not worship our idol. And anyone who defends him is idol worshipping."

[sufrommich]

77. Exactly.nt

[anneboleyn]

120. Seriously. At this point the Busters are becoming a CULT in which the guru himself is irrelevant.

What is sad is that their appallingly immature and selfish behavior, protesting while a civil rights icon is being interviewed, reveals that they were NEVER genuine Bernie supporters. They were and are petulant children who have found a destructive way to get attention. They will continue these antics until they are firmly dismissed.

[sufrommich]

64. How does "she stole it" and "bullshit" count as criticisms?

BoBs have tried to destroy everybody who didn't throw roses and bow to Sanders. The idol worship was most prominent with the Sanders or Bust privileged idiots and still is. Fuck them.

[Vattel]

167. Fuck everyone who worships an idol.

[EffieBlack]

70. Of course people have the right to criticize him

But apparently these people are too ignorant and inarticulate to be able to criticize anyone without screaming at the top of their lungs and trying to prevent anyone with whom they disagree to say anything. That's not criticism, that's childish, counterproductive bullying.

[Gormy Cuss]

90. ^^This^^

Booing and shouting down the majority of the party speakers is unproductive. Want change? Work for it. And Lewis is right -- sometimes you win, sometimes you don't. Just keep trying.

[Vattel]

166. It's a protest. Politeness is not the norm in such contexts.

I agree with you, though, that it may be a counterproductive approach.

[NurseJackie]

74. Oh good God! GMAFB! They weren't criticizing Lewis.

[geek tragedy]

78. he is above being heckled by snot-nosed overprivileged white punks though nt

[LanternWaste]

89. What specifically leads you to construe criticism of those shouting him down as "idol worship?"

What specifically and objectively leads you to construe criticism of those shouting him down as "idol worship?"

[La Lioness Priyanka]

109. booing a civil rights icon is not a form of constructive criticism

and just demonstrates that entitled kids are racist little assholes.

[DLCWIdem]

146. oh come on. they weren't critcisizing him. they were protesting because they are losers

Pure and simply.

[Hekate]

62. Per the contributions in this thread, I'm glad to finally have a term for the Busters...

...that distinguishes them from Sanders Supporters.

Thank you Bernie for being willing to work with us. Thank you Sanders supporters.

Busters, go home and grow up.

[sufrommich]

72. Saved for posterity,a BoBs true colors......

"Like most people
I'd never even heard of this John Lewis creep until he popped his head up this year to smear Bernie. I've heard of MLK but not this "John Lewis", so he's not that important. Where the fuck has this so-called "civil rights icon" been for the last 50 years since and what has he done for anyone? He's a corrupt and cowardly sellout who has been living off the taxpayer, and he doesn't deserve our respect. Just like the rest of the cowardly sellouts supporting Hillary. "

[LiberalFighter]

81. Could not believe that poster stated that.

Hope he is gone forever.

[geek tragedy]

82. Sounds like a Trumpkin posing as a precious snowflake Buster

the giveaway: "living off the taxpayer" is a wingnut favorite

[sufrommich]

84. You mean there's a difference? nt

[BainsBane]

86. I think there are some who probably never intended to vote for Bernie

in the GE but were trying to ratfuck the primary and continue to disrupt even though the nomination is settled.

[Tatiana]

100. ^^^THIS^^^ n/t

[anneboleyn]

125. Yes! Seriously it always seemed that was the case. Idiots who kept saying they'd vote Trump

if Bernie didn't win or get "fair treatment" (ironically the very same language that Trump used to complain about his losses in the republican primaries and get his supporters to behave in insane ways). They weren't and aren't democrats -- as you say they are Trumpsters who were out to screw with the open primaries and now cause problems at the convention.

One of these idiots was actually interviewed on the convention floor, and I smelled a rat immediately when he stated that he'd registered as a democrat less than a year ago in order to vote in the democratic primaries. Of course the interviewer didn't call him out on his sudden democrat status but paid a great deal of attention to his "great concern" about the unfair treatment of Bernie. He also suggested that he'd vote for Trump b/c he wanted "change."

[geek tragedy]

87. Trumpkins are classic white racists who've internalized the Atwater hymnal

the precious snowflake Busters are puritanical little narcissists who think the world--including the black folks who live in it--owes them what they want

[Cha]

91. What an Ignorant buster.. didn't know one damn thing.

Mahalo for saving that, Su!

"like most people.." with their head ** ***** ****.

[Gormy Cuss]

94. Google must be broken.

As others have said there are valid criticisms of Lewis but to question his role in civil rights ? If one doesn't know his story, it's not that hard to find it.

[workinclasszero]

97. Ban that republican SOB like yesterday!

[Bobbie Jo]

98. What a stunning display of ignorance.

This seems to be the mentality showing its ass in Philly.

[emulatorloo]

101. Has never heard of John Lewis, but authoritatively states JL is "cowardly and corrupt"

[BooScout]

163. OMG!

Who are these people and how did they get into DEMOCRATIC Underground? I can't believe anyone is that ignorant! Glad to see the post removed!

[etherealtruth]

168. hmmmm .... they seem to be bizarrely proud of their ignorance

[EffieBlack]

73. Alerted

Enjoy your brief stay

[DemonGoddess]

93. You know

In 2008, I was all for Hillary like I am now. Mind you, I was upset when she lost, and THAT race was much, much closer. But I didn't "grieve" or anything of the sort. My candidate lost, I put on my big girl panties and learned about the winner, and supported him instead.

What's this "grieving" crap that we must coddle for these very few, loud, nasty Busters? I don't think so. They can all STFU and go home.

[Gman]

104. Self centered asses. All of them.

Still think they're smarter than anyone else. I'll be so glad to be rid of them.

[Cryptoad]

106. what they are doing has nothing to do with being Progressive!

[Cryptoad]

105. This kinda shit is why the Progressive movement keeps going back ward with the Public!

[rladdi]

107. Yes, these are suppose to be our educated kids, But kids are not taught history anymore, or

even civics. They have no clue of the background of Lewis, What he has went thru to help
make America more free. Young do not know the basic facts of America.

[Armstead]

111. Um, Lewis and MLK and other 60's civil rights activists were not always well behaved.

People revere them today because of what they accomplished. But back in the day, they engaged in civil disobedience to accomplish those goals. And they were subjected to a lot of tongue-clucking about their behavior from "moderates" who believed they should behave themselves better.

If they were always polite and "well behaved" and shit, the issues they advocated for might still be in the same limbo as many otehr issues today.

Just because you agree with the goal of one group of protestors and disagree with another should not allow for a double standard.

[sufrommich]

118. That's bullshit. They fully understood that the prize was a long,

hard struggle and would require building coalitions and perserverence. They had nothing in common with the lily white,self involved children of privilege throwing public temper tantrums on the convention floor because they didn't get what they wanted after a couple months of twittering and Facebook. It's an incredible insult to compare the two groups,they have nothing in common.

[Armstead]

138. ------------------------------

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2317433

[ismnotwasm]

157. Please please don't compare them to John Lewis

Please.

[Moonwalk]

127. Aren't you comparing Apples and Oranges? There isn't a double standard...

...if one group of protesters are engaged in civil disobedience against not having equal rights, being murdered, being beaten, not allowed to go to schools or eat at lunch counters or use toilets, etc. While the other protesters are engaged in this particular civil disobedience because they don't like what this man said about their nominee. And yes, granted, they feel there's been unfairness...but this isn't trying to get Americans to notice and care about a group being abused because of the color of their skin.

So, I don't think your assertion of there being a double standard holds water. For there to be a double standard here, Sanders voters would have had to have been kept from the polls with firehoses, their campaign headquarters burned down, their members beaten, and their leader assassinated. THEN our objections to their protests without regard to the fact that Lewis engaged in the same for similar reasons would be a double standard.

[Armstead]

134. I'm not one of them but I don't like to see them demonized

To you, the civil rights movement justified protests. I agree.

I also don't agree with excessive aspects of the busters tactics.


But I don't believe they deserve the shit that is being flung at them. I don't think their grievances should be marginalized, or that their protests should be characterized as merely whining malcontents.

They believe that little things like the survival of the planet, and the economic well being of the vast majority of the nation (including minorities) are legitimate causes of protests. And they have every right to do that. Just as Lewis felt that way during the Civil Rights movement...And he and the Dems were loudly praised for their "rude" behavior in the House recently regarding gun control.

Alas, reading some things on DU sounds a lot like the conservatives complaining about those rude "anti-American" anti-war protesters during the buildup to Iraq. Or those who said the protestors against the Vietnam War in the 60's werdfe just a bunch of damn hippies who should shut up and "work within the system."

I wish the system were more responsive. Sometimes it requires shaking up.

[Renaissance Man]

151. +1000

I couldn't have said it better, myself. These folks don't like the First Amendment, apparently.

[OilemFirchen]

152. Those of us who actually came of age during the sixties...

remember the massive, and well justified, rejection of fringe organizations like the Yippies and SDS. Much like the Honorable John Lewis rejected SNCC when Stokely Carmichael took over its reigns.

Not all dissension is equally productive nor praiseworthy.

[Armstead]

164. I came of age in the 60's and remember it as well

My point is that the right to protest is not based on ehether one personally agrees or not.

I don't care about criticism of the hard core Bernsters....But some of is veering into Nixonian territory in its vehemence.

[DLCWIdem]

159. I wish they were constructively protesting; but are they really?

The walk-out happened right after Bernie handed her the nomination. It looks.like they were protesting losing in a democracy. In fact, there was one MSNBC interview where the woman protested outright said "if the super delegates don't do whats right and vote for Bernie... ". There yelling at Lewis because he endorsed Clinton. So these kids/protesters are demanding thier right to speak at the same time as their denying others their right to speak, and there not after anything constructive or they would realise that Sanders already received concessions in the platform.

[Moonwalk]

165. I'm afraid that disrespect begets disrespect...

...and courtesy and respect begets courtesy and respect. I don't doubt that some of these busters have noble sentiments that are in agreement with ours. But wouldn't you feel inclined to "demonize" a guest at your table who chanted slogans drowning out you other guests every time they tried to talk who yelled insults at them and at a you? After you courteously invited them into your house?

It would be very nice if we always stuck to facts and only facts, like "do they factually share some of our aims and therefore should not be demonized?" But feelings are involved too. They always have been, they always will be. And feelings have to be respected.

And point in fact, THEY are *demonizing* Hillary, Lewis, etc. But we're not suppose to do that to them? Talk about a double standard. Still, I agree that we should be better than that.

I think the speakers at the DNC are doing an admirable job keeping their cool and not demonizing them. But we here, well, eventually enough is enough. No one here, as at a Trump rally, really wants them beaten or abused. They just want them to stop shouting down speakers, and express their strongest and loudest views on their own time. Because it isn't fair for them to keep the rest of us from listening to what these speakers have to say and making our own decision on what we think. They wouldn't like it if it was done to their speaker at some event they organized.

Do unto others and all that. Or eventually, people being people, will lose patience and demonize you. And you'll have no one to blame for that but yourself. The impression you gave of yourself was as a devil doing evil, rather than an angel trying to save the world.

[TNNurse]

112. There is no justification for disrespect toward John Lewis.

He is a true American hero.

[ismnotwasm]

129. So you think it's ok to yell at him during the Democratic convention?

It is revenge then, for a perceived slight?

[sufrommich]

130. God,get a grip. Failure to gush over Sanders

isn't a high crime and doesn't make John Lewis the evil villain. Unhinged.

[Renaissance Man]

135. You're being deliberately obtuse.

Nothing in his post stated that these protesters are behaving as they are because John Lewis "failed to gush over Sanders."

When asked, directly, about Bernie Sanders' involvement in the Civil Rights Movement, John Lewis stated, "I never saw him." That was very deliberate, in light of all the video evidence, to the contrary, that showed Bernie was involved as a CORE member and yes, was arrested, just like John Lewis, for fighting for Civil Rights.

He used his teflon position as a civil rights leader and (during the primary) questioned Bernie Sanders' civil rights bonafides while saying that he knew Bill and Hillary Clinton (the same person that supported Barry Goldwater's anti-Civil Rights position when she was a young Republican). I can't honestly say that if I were a delegate, I wouldn't be a little raucous either. Coupling this with Jonathan Capehart's repeat lying and failure to correct the record in the Washington Post concerning this same issue, well, stuff like this happens.

He could have easily stated, "I'm not familiar with his Civil Rights work." I think, altogether, that would have also been bull, considering that Bernie was in the House and is now a Senator. I'm sure that with the number of years both served in the House, he and John Lewis would have had to engage in some conversation about their past experiences, including Civil Rights work.

So, John Lewis is only getting as good as he gave. This is not pushback because he didn't gush over Sanders. It is pushback for a lie bordering on slander -- what he did during the primary. Maybe he'll think again before he does it.

[sufrommich]

140. Sure, "I never saw him" is an unforgivable insult. Unforgivable

enough to follow John Lewis around harassing him. But "she's not qualified to be president" is just politics. The thinned skinned excuses for their disgusting abuse of Lewis are lame bullshit,there is no sane excuse. These are children acting out by flinging shit at anyone who doesn't pat them on the head and you wonder why Bernie's army is 95% white. Clueless.

[ismnotwasm]

142. +Infinity

[Renaissance Man]

144. There is nothing "thin skinned" about what I just posted.

John Lewis is not a novice to politics. Back during the 2008 primaries, he was a Hillary supporter until the people who he represented in his Congressional District placed a lot of pressure on him to switch his support as a superdelegate considering that then Senator Obama cleaned Hillary's clock in a lot of Southern states (including the Dekalb County area - the congressional district he represents).

The very reason why "Bernie's army is 95% white" is because of the tactics that John Lewis, along with Capehart, used leading up to the SC primary. You can ignore this all you want, but you're not the person having to deal with the harassment. He is, and now he's getting blowback because of it.

It's democracy. The little (d) Democrats deserve just as much as the big (D) democrats to have a voice in the political process. Get used to it.

[sufrommich]

148. God, you don't even realize how fucking paternalistic and insulting you sound.

Bernie's army is 95% white because of stupid beliefs like you just spewed.

[Renaissance Man]

150. Where am I being paternalistic? Where am I being insulting?

All I've included in my posts is respect for THE TRUTH in the political process, which was SORELY lacking during the primary. Once again, it's not just the party big wigs that deserve a voice in the political process, the little (d) Democrats do, as well.

GET USED TO IT.

[ismnotwasm]

154. THE TRUTH won out

Hillary won.

[DLCWIdem]

162. Ren Man

Whether you believe it or not there are a lot of reasons for sanders army to be 95% white and most of the blame can be laid right at the army's own feet. Just one example of man, I was on the comment section of another site and poster commenting on how she won in the South and another poster commented that things never changed he had been in the South in the 60's and the Democrats would go down there and pay the black people 5$ for each of their votes. Now the poster was trying to say the Democratic party and Clinton were corrupt. But do ya think maybe that kind of patronizing attitude rubbed the blacks the wrong way. After all, the poster may have been trying to paint Clinton as corrupt but they painted AA as corrupt as well.

[ismnotwasm]

141. So what?

This is a reason to boo the man at the DNC? Are you serious?

And Lewis himself had this to say about his comments;

“I was responding to a reporter’s question who asked me to assess Sen. Sanders’ civil rights record. I said that when I was leading and was at the center of pivotal actions within the Civil Rights Movement, I did not meet Sen. Bernie Sanders at any time. The fact that I did not meet him in the movement does not mean I doubted that Sen. Sanders participated in the Civil Rights Movement, neither was I attempting to disparage his activism. Thousands sacrificed in the 1960s whose names we will never know, and I have always given honor to their contribution.”

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/john-lewis-clarifies-comments-bernie-sanders

I suppose that's not good enough.

[world wide wally]

116. They are just closet Trump supporters that want to hang out with liberals because they are more fun

[4lbs]

117. Yes, I saw it. It was mainly one person in the audience.

A white lady yelling and screaming in the background. I looked closely and could see her visually between Tamron and Rep. Lewis.

She was soon shouted down by other audience members after John Lewis began talking about his civil rights struggle, and said he did not get angry. An obvious dig at her.

She soon walked away, and John Lewis' statements concluded with a rousing applause from the audience.

[getagrip_already]

123. not all protestors are dems...

Just because it's the dnc, not every one protesting is a dem, or even an indie.

A lot of the protestors there are trolls. They are trying to make it look worse than it is.

They can't get inside easily, but the streets are open to anyone.

[ismnotwasm]

128. Who the hell are you talking about?

[sufrommich]

131. He's talking about John Lewis's failure to be reverential enough in

the presence of St. Bernie.

[ismnotwasm]

133. Oh my fucking God

I dislike emoticons as a general rule, and this one in particular, but there comes a time, I guess, when nothing else will do.

[sarae]

136. Here's a link to it online:

http://freebeacon.com/politics/protesters-stole-bull-john-lewis-praises-clinton-msnbc/

I'm glad Tamron Hall said something; she's amazing. They made themselves look like a big joke, so congratulations to them if that was their goal. It's pretty embarrassing to watch.

[B Calm]

137. They been shouting down every interview.

[MFM008]

160. No

They are not democrats
They are paid shills or just
Fanatics.
When the head of the movement asks you to be redpectful you do it.
They could have held signs quietly.
Sanders would be appalled at the treatment
Of a civil rights icon.