Nina Turner: "Dem Party needs to acknowledge pain of Sanders supporters." NO, Nina

[EffieBlack]

This is not an encounter session or group therapy. It's a political convention. How long are we supposed to wipe these people's tears, hold their hands and kiss their boo boos?

This is ridiculous. These people need to effing grow up.

[geek tragedy]

1. fuck that. this isn't therapy nt

[tecelote]

73. The hate is boiling over here!

I'll be glad when Hillary wins but you people here sure show the left can hate their own as much as the right in this election.

[adigal]

95. And that speaking against the nominee is wonderful, but only when Repubs do it

But disgusting, evil, rude and anarchy when Dems do it.

[Maru Kitteh]

157. Get it straight

First of all, those little fuckers are NOT Dems.

Secondly, that shit was an embarrassment to the Repukes at their convention - and now a bunch of fucking feckless, spoiled-rotten, childish, snot-nosed, clueless, selfish, piss-ant little Green party vermin and other total fucking idiot drama queens have done 100x the damage here. They were disgusting, evil, rude anarchists and they have succeeded in making the Repuke convention look like a unity parade. FUCK them.

FUCK ALL THOSE SPOILED LITTLE SHITS. I hope every last one of the disruptors is thrown the fuck out.

[synergie]

149. What's this "you people" bit? The hate has been boiling over here for quite some time

it's even spawned a ancillary sites where the "left" keep showing just how much hate they are capable of, even if they're not so great at actually keeping their "Left" masks on. The ones doing all that frothy hate are not hating their own, they are indeed the "Right" or have given over any critical thought process that they might have possessed to the right this election, you can tell from all the hate that has been and is still spewed and the source of the talking points coming from these supposed members of the left.

[abetterkid]

2. Honestly!

Hearing her made my blood boil! Ughh!

[glennward]

45. Does anyone think Hillalry and her supporters felt less pain in 2008?

Hillary is a grown up. She nominated Obama at their convention, she worked her butt off for him during and after the election.

I acknowledge their pain as well as their disrespectful behavior even to him. The TPP plank that they wanted in the platform is a weak excuse for their over the top behavior. They can work against the TPP after the election. Their angst about TPP will be for naught if Donald is President because a GOP Congress will "make a deal" and it will be so "great" that Trump will not obstruct.

[greiner3]

88. "...she worked her butt off for him during and after the election."

Quid pro quo

[avaistheone1]

108. You are kidding...right?

[lostnfound]

137. Just because they are not sophisticated doesn't mean they should be ignored

More sophisticated people might grab whatever power they could. Bernie people are commoners. If you don't hate the commoners, you gotta be patient with them. And listen.

[Maru Kitteh]

165. Oh PLEASE. Those little fidiots on the convention floor have had their fee-fees coddled and nursed

quite enough. Enough with kissing their little participation-trophy asses, and their selfish little kiddie tantrums.

It's well past time - since they are actually, you know, on the floor of the Democratic Convention to learn something about the Democratic party, the democratic process, grace, decorum, and CLASS. It's time for them to listen, and they should start with listening to Bernie for cripes sake.

[krawhitham]

139. No, this place was a lot worse 8 years ago

[avaistheone1]

167. Hillary didn't have the DNC conspiring against her in 2008

That is quite a difference.

[NurseJackie]

3. Okay, fine: "You're in pain." There! Now grow the fuck up!

What a bunch of babies!

[MFM008]

7. lol

thanks for the chuckle.

[Cali_Democrat]

66. LOL

[Wibly]

115. Speaking like you are is hurting Clinton

This sort of response is what is going to sink Clinton. You need to win over the Sanders supporters, not drive them away.
Your attitude is no different than the wife beater's, who insists he knows how to handle his wife.
If any growing up needs to be done, it is by people who are speaking like you are. This is a national discussion the future of America, not a barroom. If you want to infer people who have grave concerns about your weak candidate are somehow whiny bitches, then go to the bar. Acting like you are on a public forum is hurting Clinton, any you, no one else!

[NurseJackie]

125. There's no winning over the haters.

Fuck 'em.

[renate]

131. I agree, for at least two reasons

1) The first reason is just practical. You catch more flies with honey.

2) I assume she's referring to the fact that the DNC had its thumb on the scales the whole time, yet Bernie came thisclose after starting at about 5% in the polls. Who knows what would have happened if it hadn't been for the DNC's bias? I myself think Hillary would probably have won anyway, but we'll never know, will we? And that hurts, because a lot of people, myself included, felt as though real change was possible. And I think most people who supported Hillary in the primaries liked his ideas before many of them (not all) developed an antipathy towards him and/or his supporters... so it's not as though our hopes were bad ones.

I also feel kind of betrayed by the Democratic party. But whatever. I'll deal with it. That's on me--but a movement that meant so much to a lot of people has been shown to have meant, essentially, nothing to our party.

So yeah, it hurts. Our feelings are genuine. If it hadn't been for the emails, I'd have agreed that Yeah, we should just get over it. But it hurts to find out now that Bernie was fighting an uphill battle in more ways than one and still came so close.

[nini]

147. If the sanders supporters cant figure this out without getting theit butts kissed

Then they are the ones at fault.

This isnt prom king and queen. You weigh the two cadidates and pick the one you feel can do the better job even though they're not your first choice..

Honestly, this need to be patted on the head and acknowledged for your pain is exactly why you're not ready for the ugly game of politics - it is not for wimps.

[LonePirate]

4. What pain is that? They have not suffered any worse/more than any other American.

[auntpurl]

40. I'd argue that they must have suffered much less than most Americans

Since they are ACTIVELY helping Trump, they must be safe in the knowledge that they won't be one of the ones trodden underfoot by his presidency.

[MichiganVote]

5. Not even remotely supportive of this. Not locking up.

[riversedge]

6. I agree. She is making them into victims.

[rjsquirrel]

9. Good lord

If you didn't already know they were kids.

[Peacetrain]

10. oh my GOD.. make it stop..make it stop

[joeybee12]

11. The primary was over 6 weeks ago...enough time to get over it..

Unless, of course, if you're a simpering little whining POS

[Chemisse]

56. Heck, I've recovered from a bad break up faster than that! n/t

[sarae]

59. right?

[sarae]

57. how much time does she want?

6 weeks isn't enough??

[EffieBlack]

120. She'll let you know . . .

[zenabby]

12. Me Me Me Me Me

All about her , her pain, her suffering.

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

14. She is a disgrace. A fucking disappointment!

[all american girl]

15. Here's the thing Nina, tell they need to grow up. Life can suck at times...you don't always win.

If they are old enough to vote, that means they are actually adults. Means you have to take your lumps and move on. How long do they need their hands held? Just done with this.

[lancer78]

98. Most of these kids live

in their parents basement. Millennials are not learning to grow up because they were treated like "special snowflakes" as kids.

[msongs]

16. I must have missed the part of the convention broadcast where she said this nt

[EffieBlack]

21. She said it to Chris Hayes on MSNBC about 15 minutes ago

It looks like several other people here also heard her say it.

[tallahasseedem]

22. She was on MSNBC about 10 minutes ago

[bettyellen]

99. Saw it- and she went on to say we should expect them to disrupt all four days of the convention.

Fuck that.

[EffieBlack]

132. Well, it's a sliver more mature than holding her breath until she passes out . . .

[David__77]

17. No one needs to acknowledge or do or not do anything, I suppose.

....

[sheshe2]

18. Dayum, effie!

Nailed it.

[pkdu]

19. A full day of this shit...forced removal is way overdue. nt

[tallahasseedem]

20. ROFL!

This is why "Helicopter Parenting" is so dangerous.

[Moonwalk]

48. Clinton supporters do know this (or should), as the proof is right there in the polls...

From here: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/news/national-govt-politics/dnc-2016-day-1-hot-temps-long-security-lines/nr4rb/

Already polls show more Sanders supporters are on board with Clinton than Clinton supporters were backing Barack Obama at this point eight years ago...

So, as always we have a very vocal minority pretending that they're much larger and more powerful than they really are—and that they're speaking for everyone when they're not.

[Sheepshank]

158. a recent post here on DU indicated that 25% of the BoB'ers will not vote Dem

almost half are going to vote for Drumpf and the other half Green.

Pants shitting little brats.

[onehandle]

24. Nina Turner is a burn it all down lunatic. nt

[treestar]

25. Oh good grief!

[Starry Messenger]

26. Are they going to acknowledge the pain of watching progressives of color get heckled?

On the eve of a historical nomination of the first woman for President? The pain of facing the most racist and right-wing threat we have ever faced as a country?

[4lbs]

89. Maybe someone needs to ask Nina this very thing.

"Nina, what did you think when many of your fellow Bernie supporters were booing Elijah Cummings, who fought and bled for civil rights?"

[reACTIONary]

128. They booed Elijah? He's my Representative...

.... I take that personally.

[OKNancy]

27. OK.. I acknowledge their pain. Now, acknowledge our nominee and move on

Our feelings about Hillary are just as valid!!

[Hekate]

28. The pain of people who shout down the likes of Dolores Huerta, who got her ribs stove in...

....by union-busting police truncheons back in the day? The pain of people who shout down John Lewis, who got his head stove in by racist cops back in the day? Who shout down Elijah Cummings?

They jest at scars, that never felt a wound. Oh yeah, I feel their pain.

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

29. I can feel the healing power flowing out of your post.

[Dustlawyer]

70. Might have something to do with the treatment received at the hands of some Hillary supporters.

Almost 90% of Sander's supporters say they will vote for Hillary, yet there still has been a lot of ugliness spewed at them. Many of the posts here demonstrate how bad it has been. Not all Sander's supporters have been respectful either. I would suggest toning it down a great deal and things would go better.

The Primary was hard fought, but the two candidates have decided to work together and so should we. Let's stop with the "you lost so tough sh*t" and "they cheated" crap and move forward. This isn't 2008, and different issues exist

Hillary will be nominated and after a while everything will calm down. All of this harsh talk just drags it out longer. Everyone just needs to CHILL!!!

[TeamPooka]

30. There's no crying in baseball...

or politics.
Get her a participation trophy and tell her that she won.

[Cha]

31. I think Hillary's campaign has acknowledged that.. but nina wants blood.

[calimary]

82. Sure seems like it to me. Not only acknowledged it, but gave them almost everything

they wanted on the party platform. And, now, too, DWS's head on a platter, for Pete's Sake!

AND, what bothers me a lot, mainly toward the coverage of all this - is that, whatever was said or emailed regarding oppositional research ideas against Bernie, this was TURNED DOWN!!! They ruled it out. They decided against it. And any read through a Hillary speech throughout the campaign would prove this. At NO time did she criticize or question his faith, for example. At NO time did she make any snide comments about him!

I would hope the protesters we saw getting ALL the press attention outside before the convention began were actually shit-stirrers, trouble-makers, and CON-trolls in disguise and with a wallet full of forged delegate papers. I can't help but suspect trolls at work. I can't believe that anyone who really believed in Bernie would actually boo him. Be rude and disrespectful like that to the guy they claim to support? How could they do that to him? How could they dishonor him like that? Seems to me doing that renders them deeply suspect. That doesn't make any sense at all. WWBD? Seriously. What Would Bernie Do? What would honorable, realistic, and thoroughly adult Bernie supporters, like those we see here, do?

What would the boo'ers do when a President Bernie Sanders told them something they didn't like? Boo him then, too?

[Fla Dem]

148. Agree, she is certainly the most strident Bernie supporter almost to the point of being obnoxious.

You get the feeling she would be thrilled if HRC loses. Then she can say. "I told you so". Bernie started this fire and let it "Bern" out of control. Fine that he stayed in the primaries to the end, even though he had no chance of winning, but to then tell his supporters "We're taking this to the convention" We can still win". He created an unrealistic expectation for his followers. If they're upset at anyone it should be with Bernie. He led them down the garden path and at the end all there was, was a cliff.

[Bucky]

32. Fuckin' pussies. They sound like FDR or LBJ in there, complaining about problems & whatnot

</Sarcasm off>

Politics is about healing. It's about talking and bringing people together. In your heart you know you don't want us to be a bunch of locksteppers like those nincompoops conning themselves into believing Donald Trump is a true Christian or really any working class family believing the Republicans will improve their chances at sending their kids to college.

Let the slow noisy magic of airing grievances do its work for the next four days. I think the Democrats are good willed enough, and the Clinton machine is competent and smart enough, to turn the genuine worry about what's happening in this country into a commitment to come together and win.

[Lord Magus]

38. Nina Turner is acting like she's the first person ever to have their favorite candidate lose.

Her experience in having someone she really wanted to win end up losing is not unique and there is no reason to devote special attention to her "pain."

[Bucky]

42. Well, I ain't walked a mile in her shoes.

But I think if we wait till Thursday night, we'll hear some happier words from her quarter.

This is a process and people are passionate. I suspect we have a leader who knows how to wrangle that passion in a constructive direction. Sometimes, if your wheel needs some grease, you got to do your share of squeakin'.

[glennward]

47. I will say it here. You will never hear happier words from Nina, Tulsi, or Susan.

It just isn't in them.

[Bucky]

49. Sorry that you have a problem with those ladies

But being a liberal, I never give up on the hope of people pulling together in common cause. I guess the long run will prove one of us right.

[4lbs]

92. Susan Sarandon will never support Hillary. She said herself that if it takes a Trump

presidency to shake things up, then so be it.

I almost fell out of my chair when I heard her say it.

[ciaobaby]

33. Just love to visit this site for the latest vitriol about Bernie and his supporters.

What a wonderful group of unity driven dems.

[EffieBlack]

35. Glad you're enjoying it

Funny how whining by certain people is just "venting their pain" but complaints about the way they're expressing themselves is destroying unity.

Why is it that only some folks are responsible for creating unity while other folks doing everything they can to blow it all up just means they're being true to their cause, or some such BS.

[comradebillyboy]

68. your concern is noted....

[procon]

34. She joins the many post primary Sanders supporters who are acting like jilted

teenagers who just got dumped by their first boyfriend.

[krawhitham]

140. Maybe because it was proven the DNC put the screws to Sanders

Just like the supporters were claiming for months, but they were told to shutup and wear this tin foil hat. For months the Hillary supports talked down Sanders supporters, joked about thier crazy notions just because they believed the DNC was backing Hillary. Well they were right

Plus according to Donna Brazile they expect more emails to be released with far more damning info.

Look he got 46% of pledged delegates, without the DNC push he very well could have reached 50% or more.


Unless you have a T.A.R.D.I.S. we have to continue from this point, and make the best of everything we can. Yes that means voting for Hillary, but TPTB need to acknowledge the DNC did a very bad thing, promise to clean house at the DNC, and promise to install people in the DNC that will never let something like this happen again

[R B Garr]

36. Yeah, her smirks about the DNC emails are really giving her away.

It's like she's thrilled to have this fresh nonsense to try and manipulate people with. "acknowledge the pain of Sanders supporters." LOL, what a joke.

[Lobo27]

37. So we don't care that their was foul play?

[Lord Magus]

39. We don't care about bullshit claims of foul play. -nt-

[Lobo27]

41. So emails were all a lie?

I'm still gonna support Hillary, but at least now I know that there is some dems that are no good for our party.

[Lord Magus]

44. Nothing in the emails were "foul play." -nt-

[emulatorloo]

65. From Sander's press officer: NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141531007

----------------

Source: Talking Points Memo

Symone Sanders, former national press secretary for Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT)'s presidential campaign, went on a Twitter rant Monday as the Democratic National Convention unfolded, criticizing those who were still supporting the Vermont senator over the party's nominee, Hillary Clinton.

-snip-

Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders

Look, people are well within their rights to have passions and opinions. That is how we create change in this country. We need the passion!!

5:33 PM - 25 Jul 2016
144 144 Retweets 197 197 likes


Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders

But let me be clear - NO ONE STOLE THIS ELECTION! Team Sanders we did AMAZING WORK. But we lost. It's a hard reality for some.

5:36 PM - 25 Jul 2016
2,356 2,356 Retweets 2,648 2,648 likes


Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders

It was a hard reality for me. Because I fought hard. Now, we won some great battles, but the reality is the system didn't cheat us.

5:38 PM - 25 Jul 2016
663 663 Retweets 777 777 likes


Symone D. Sanders
@SymoneDSanders

Now the contents of the leaked emails show individuals were definitely biased, but 7 folks on an email didn't "steal" the election.

5:41 PM - 25 Jul 2016
1,119 1,119 Retweets 1,274 1,274 likes


-snip-

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/sanders-spox-twitter-rant-support

[R B Garr]

83. Will Bernie provide all his campaign emails so we can do a

comparable assessment. I doubt it.

[nolabear]

43. Not endlessly. That's just enabling it.

It's been acknowledged, conceded to, understood, patted, tolerated, dealt with and cosseted. Now it's time to deal.

[wildeyed]

46. Fuck that.

I am all for healing the rift, etc, but we are at the part where we ALL put on our big boy and girl panties, put aside our hurt feeling and get the job done.

Did they not watch the RNC? Trump wins, they will learn the hard way about how bad their "feelings" can hurt All of us will feel that pain.

[rug]

50. Nothing a macchiato won't fix.

With caramel.

[Tatiana]

51. The pain has been acknowledged... hence the apology.

Now we need to move on and take care of business.

[SummerSnow]

52. So their "pain" is going to make them vote for Trump.

Then they'll really be in pain if he is elected.

[OnDoutside]

53. Here she goes again..... facepalm

[Loki Liesmith]

54. Jebus I knew safe space culture was going to bite us in the ass eventually.

[ecstatic]

58. Agreed. Adults acting like selfish, spoiled brats. nt

[uponit7771]

60. "feel there pain"!?!?! WTF?! They're that butt hurt!??! WTF!?!

[Amimnoch]

61. Why not?

One thing really matters to me.. Trump not winning in November.

Who here has never had a candidate that they really.. Really... REALLY believed in, supported, and did everything they could to see them succeed, then watch them lose?

Try to placate those few that are swearing to go Trump now? I agree, screw those ones.

There's the demographic that now, no matter what won't vote Hillary.. We've seen some here. It won't win their votes or support, but outreach takes the power of their argument down a good bit.

Then there's the Demographic that now, will hold their nose and vote for Hillary in the GE. We've also seen a pretty good number of those here. For some of this Demographic, heartfelt outreach may get them more energized, and not just vote but help convince others to join in that vote.

Then there's the Demographic that now.. Not really sure one way or the other if they will or won't support Hillary. Good outreach has the potential to swell those numbers, probably the most of any demographic.

Goodwill costs nothing, has no downside, and can help bridge some of the division resulting from the rough primary season. If November ends up being close enough, it may even be the critical difference, especially in the swing states.

Hardline attitudes without any desire of reconcilliation.. Isn't that one of the things we really dislike about our opponents? We're the ones who believe in humanity. We're the ones who aren't supposed to have a problem saying "I'm sorry". Hell... We're the smart adults in the room normally.

[calimary]

86. So glad you wrote this, Amimnoch!

Thank you for this wonderful reminder! Much needed - at least for me.

Just - to the good. To the greater good. That's what it means to be a Democrat.

[Amimnoch]

107. It's just good sense, and being a good person imo.

You are very welcome.

[redqueen]

161. Normally, yes.

Things haven't seemed normal since this primary started.

[jtuck004]

62. At least try to communicate with them...

There is help...

[OnDoutside]

63. Here's the solution to all their problems

[greatauntoftriplets]

64. I don't feel their pain.

[BainsBane]

136. I do

but not in the way Nina wants.

[trueblue2007]

67. I saw Nina Turner being interviewed and i see her views as so immature.

it isn't all about Bernie. THIS IS GOING TO BE A NATIONAL ELECTION and First Lady / Senator / Secretary of State Hillary Clinton is our nominee. Bernie ran against her and he didn't win. This is our Democratic Nominee and I think Turner and other people like her should not be interviewed.

Hillary won.

[giftedgirl77]

69. This display is exactly why "liberals" get a bad name.

[George II]

71. Grow up Nina, we're not babying you.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

72. How about cutting back on the smugness? That doesn't help your choice.

[SmittynMo]

74. These people need to effing grow up?

You mistake one thing. Every one of these people ARE grown ups. The ONLY reason we're at this point in the election, can be blamed on the past 60 years of establishment politics, and the fact that people are done with it. They're sick of getting screwed by the establishment, over and over again. They've had it, and they do realize change starts from the bottom up. What better place than the convention? And they've also heard of "freedom of speech". So don't blame Sanders, nor their supporters. I knew this was going to be an issue when Bernie said he's going all the way to the end, months ago. Why is everyone so damn surprised in tonight's events?

[LynnTTT]

75. Young people in first election

I suspect many of these people are young and are all fired up. They still think if they work hard enough they'll get their way. That's great, but you have to be realistic. Sanders went a lot farther than a "Democratic Socialist" was ever expected to do. And drove the party platform to the left.
Now it's time to put on your big girl pants and work just as hard for Hillary to keep Trump from getting into the White House.

[VOX]

76. "Pain"? You want pain? Would Prez Trump & RW SCOTUS be painful enough?

Keep whining about your "pain," when there's a genuine threat to democracy pounding at the gates. Spoiled children have no idea of the very genuine pain that's poised to come down on those who can least stand it.

[mrmpa]

77. Me & my 86 year old mom just had a conversation......

over dinner about these Bernie "supporters" of which my mother and I were also. We decided that a lot of these "young 'uns" have always gotten what they wanted. Their parents always placating them and giving them pretty much whatever they wanted & they could afford.

They did not get what they wanted (Bernie's nomination) so they're having a temper tantrum, and they can't see beyond themselves & how their tantrum can blow it for everyone.

Someone needs to tell them to grow up, and I hope Bernie can do that tonight.

[Armstead]

78. That goes for those on the other side who want their hands held and delicate feelings protected

Like some booing is the equivalent of napalm

[adigal]

100. Amazing, the things these supporters have been called for boos

Anarchists
Fucking assholes
Calling for them to "be shut up."

I keep thinking I'm reading comments by trump supporters!

[calguy]

79. I used to respect Nina Turner

Not anymore. She has no class.

[calimary]

110. I did, too!

During the tragedy in Ferguson, she was a strong, clear voice for justice and truth. What on earth happened?

[Paladin]

80. God, am I ever sick of Nina Turner.

Nothing is ever good enough for her.

[SunSeeker]

81. K & R

[humbled_opinion]

84. Yeah Nina remember the Hillary

people never boo hooed in 2008 pull up your britches girl.

[bucolic_frolic]

85. Gotta know when to fold 'em

I too think there is a bigger problem, in Cheeto Jesus

But maybe this is good for democracy and publicity

The other party held a convention and couldn't do anything but approve
a straight extremist line

We're holding a convention and a party is breaking out

[Sparkly]

87. My thoughts exactly.

[MineralMan]

90. Give them a couple of Advils and eject them

from the convention. Screw their "pain."

[wallyworld2]

93. Reminds me

of exactly what republicans do

without the Advils of course

[wallyworld2]

91. Nina did

a good job

she was right to say what she said

[Libby2]

94. I acknowledge their pain

They are a pain in the ass.

[tandot]

96. Bernie or Bust = Bernie or Trump

I fear for my son's feature if Trump gets elected.

Maybe we should have the draft back so young people will think twice. Would you like to serve in Trump/Putins army?

[Native]

97. Sore loser pain. Give me a break.

[Android3.14]

101. Doing your part to alienate potential Clinton voters, I see.

Aren't you the clever one.

[Codeine]

105. The BitterEnder Brigade will never vote Clinton.

More fun to throw toys from the pram and boo like it's a fucking Punch and Judy Show.

[EffieBlack]

109. You know what?

I'm up to here with that bullshit "you must kiss my ass or else I might not vote for Hillary" argument. If you are still only a "potential" Clinton voter, you either aren't paying attention, you are impervious to reason, or you just don't give a shit about anyone but yourself.

I don't have any more time for trying to convince so-called progressives that they should vote for the Democratic nominee. I'm going to instead focus my attention on getting out the vote of people who actually care about what happens to this country.

Buh-bye . . .

[Android3.14]

113. You know what?

People like you are driving voters to Trump, or worse, not to vote at all.

[EffieBlack]

116. If a person whom one doesn't know can "drive" them to vote for Trump or not vote at all because of

something I say on an anonymous message board, they may want to engage in some self-reflection and a little additional education - they clearly don't seem to be ready for prime time - or the voting booth.

[Marr]

134. Well, so long as you have your online fun, I guess.

That's what's really important here, right?

[Codeine]

102. Time for them to acknowledge they lost, grow the fuck up,

and move the fuck on like goddamned adults.

[grahamhgreen]

151. Time for you to understand that without us you are handing the general to Trump.

[Codeine]

154. That's on you lot, then.

If you need handholding and smoochies on your skinned knees then you don't understand the gravity of the situation. Despite all the whining I'm confident good will prevail, however.

[waterwatcher123]

103. Get rid of Debbie Wasserman Schultz and the issue will end.

How do you think it feels to know that the DNC was working to elect the candidate of choice right from square one? So, what do they do to assuage the people who felt sold out, they make Ms. Schultz honorary chair of Hillary Clinton's campaign. They should have fired her and sent the rest of the DNC staff involved in this debacle packing as well.

[EffieBlack]

112. If you plan to cast a default vote for Donald Trump to be the REAL president of the United States

because you don't like who Hillary has designated to be the HONORARY chair of her campaign, then I can't even take you seriously.

Good Lord, get over yourself. This is politics, not your personal fuzzy blankie.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

104. So they just need a hug

Is that what Nina is saying?

[bluestateguy]

106. Pain acknowledged. Here's a cup of Ovaltine and cookies.

Now let's have an adult conversation with our indoor voices.

[Wibly]

111. Nice sentiment

Nice sentiment. Real compassion accompanied by obvious signs that you have not given the concerns of Sanders supporters any air time in your head at all. What's more, it is precisely the sort of sentiment that will drive Sanders supporters away and lose the election for Clinton. Good job Effie Black!

[EffieBlack]

114. You have no idea to what and to whom I have given "air time in my head"

But if you are so willing to cast a default vote for a racist, misogynist, xenophobic, juvenile ignoramus because I haven't devoted enough "air time in my head" about you, please be my guest - the rest of us will focus on getting out the vote of people who are actually worth taking seriously. You are making yourself irrelevant.

Good job, Wibly!

[Wibly]

117. That's going to help you a lot too

To even suggest Sanders supporters are going to vote for Trump makes you sound like one of Trump's henchmen.
You're blowing it for your own team!
Good job.

Now, prove my point and give me more of your vitriol. See if that makes me want to support your candidate!

[EffieBlack]

119. Apparently, you don't understand what a "default vote" is.

So, I'll break it down for you: a "default vote" is exactly what you suggested Sanders supporters would do since not voting for Hillary is a default vote for Trump.

As I said, I really don't care what you do at this point. I have neither the time nor the inclination to argue with someone whom I don't know and will likely never meet, trying to convince them to do something that is so obvious that no one should have to explain it to them. If you still don't understand why you should vote for Hillary Clinton, it's not likely that anything I say will change your mind.

That's not "vitriol"- it's just plain common sense.

[Sparkly]

127. Oooh oooh, let's tiptoe to make sure we don't step on their feeeeeelings.

Or they might vote for Trump.

Because that's how passionate they are about progressive causes!

[AlbertCat]

118. This is not an encounter session or group therapy.

It's not Sheriff Arpaio's tent prison either.

Nobody wants anyone to "wipe these people's tears, hold their hands and kiss their boo boos?"

We want to be acknowledged and our ideas and concerns taken seriously because they are serious.


It's a political convention. You'd think constituents would be heard and addressed.
This high brow dismissal of Sanders supporters like you display has people running from your candidate.

[EffieBlack]

121. Bernie Sanders seems to think he's been acknowledged and heard

And most of his supporters are also just fine. Sanders and the majority of his supporters aren't running away from our candidate. In fact, they're with her full on. But apparently, there's a handful of supporters who STILL think that the party is supposed to chase around after them kissing their asses.

That's not how campaigns work. And it's not even what Bernie Sanders wants. Maybe your beef is with HIM, not with the Clinton campaign.

That's not a "high brow dismissal" - that's just grownups being sick of crybabies demanding attention.

[AlbertCat]

122. Yes yes.... we know you hate Sanders supporters and think you are better than they are.

Your definitely high brow dismissal..... this:

"wipe these people's tears, hold their hands and kiss their boo boos? "

was not directed at Nina Turner.

Remember, Sanders supporters can read.

[EffieBlack]

123. Whatever

[AlbertCat]

130. Whatever

[Beacool]

124. In 2008, Hillary's supporters heard over and over the same thing:

Get over it!!! Sage advice for the die hard bunch within the Sanders' supporters.

The thought of a Trump presidency makes me cringe. I would vote for a root vegetable over Trump.

Are these people fools or blind????????

[democrattotheend]

159. I remember there were efforts to coddle Hillary's supporters in 2008

And despite her efforts to rewrite history, she did not immediately up and support Obama unequivocally with no conditions. I don't dispute that she ultimately showed a lot of grace and did everything she could to help him, but it took her and her supporters some time to get there.

[annavictorious]

129. Let Nina have her moment.

Her political career is essentially over.

[Marr]

133. This five minute's hate shit you guys do is really gross.

[BainsBane]

135. This is one of those threads

Where I dare not say what I think. So I'll leave it at:

[niyad]

138. nina, would you be saying this if the situation were reversed?

[kstewart33]

141. Let's step back in time for a moment.

Hillary Clinton had a great deal of personal pain when Obama won the nomination in 2008. However, instead of asking the Democratic Party to help her with her pain, she endorsed Obama within hours of losing the California primary.

Then she went on the road, enthusiastically speaking for Obama and asking her supporters to support him, speech after speech, day after day, until Obama won the presidential election.

If Ms. Turner has a problem with her pain, she should check the yellow pages. There are long lists of therapists who can help her with her pain.

Just don't ask the Democratic Party to play therapist. We have a much important task - defeat Trump.

[Gothmog]

142. Nina Turner is an idiot

[AgadorSparticus]

143. Geez, could someone give this poor lady a clue.

That is exactly what they did. Was she in the bathroom the whole time or what?

[Lil Missy]

144. NO! They all need to be rounded up and escourted out. Banned from the rest of the event. n/t

[VulgarPoet]

145. Man, who is Nina Turner?

Emmanuel Goldstein? Next thing you know we'll be watching y'all screaming at an overhead with her image on it for two minutes.

[nini]

146. How the hell are they going 'to fight their revoultion' with fragile feelings?

This is exactly what drives me crazy about some of them. If they are really serious they need to toughen up. I guarantee you our founding fathers, the women who fought for the right to vote, civil rights leaders, union organizers, etc weren't fragile little snowflakes.

[merrily]

152. It's not only about growing up. It's about fair play, from

their country and also from the DNC. The worst actors at that convention were not relatively young people who booed, but seasoned politicians and media who had done their best to rig it. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10028047987

If you claim not to understand the anger, maybe that's not 100% the problem of people who are angry.

[redqueen]

162. Well said.

Winning an election against trump should be a cake walk.

We'll see how that goes.

[merrily]

164. redqueen! I have not seen that name in ages.

Why have you been avoiding me?

Kidding. I'm not that paranoid. Well, not quite.

Thank you for the kind words.

[Orsino]

153. Dem Party needs to build a coalition.

It needs leaders unfraid to take on that challenge, and volunteers not hung up on refighting the primary.

[DemonGoddess]

155. K&R!

She needs to STFU. You know, there's a reason she didn't do so well in Ohio in her last election.

[One of the 99]

156. Can I acknowledge my pain of having to see this woman on my TV.

Even her glasses are obnoxious.

[Attorney in Texas]

160. If you replace the word "needs" with the phrase "would be wise," then she is unequivocally correct.

You cannot simultaneously plead for unity on the one hand and ridicule legitimate concerns as a "boo boo" on the other hand.

Hillary supporters like Nancy Pelosi agree that the concerns of some Sanders supporters are legitimate concerns.

Speaking for the DNC, long-time Hillary supporters like Donna Brazille agreed the emails were wrong.

Of course the DNC doesn't need to apologize; no one NEEDS to apologize (hell, Trump beat 16 generally more experienced opponents to win the Republican nomination without ever apologizing for any of his horrific misconduct - with that said, Trump is an asshole so maybe he's not a good role model).

Anyone who wants to build unity would be wise acknowledge the pain arising from a regrettable situation.

[redqueen]

163. Another good post

The way that events have unfolded over the past six months does not exactly fill me with confidence that this election will be as easy to win as it should be.

[question everything]

166. k&r (nt)