This is not a coronation, it's a convention

[angstlessk]

We are so used to everyone being happy with whoever was nominated, we forget conventions aren't always just nice parties..

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/03/the-craziest-conventions-in-us-history-213727

We were upset when they silenced the anti trump faction, but hate our dissidents...Hillary IS GOING TO BE PRESIDENT..get over it!

[MFM008]

1. There is such a thing as curtesy

no one said it was a coronation.
You dont BBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO everyone on the stage.

[Hortensis]

10. Courtesy is good. :)

[angstlessk]

16. At a diner party, absolutely.... but

not necessarily at a convention

[Hortensis]

24. Angstlessk, I agree -- when it's productive.

There are normally right ways and wrong ways to do anything.

However, the nation will at least see clips of Sanders' former and current out-of-control supporters booing him, booing many other speakers, shouting through Elijah Cummings' speech, etc.. Some even were calling for Hillary to be locked up just as those slimy Hillary haters on the right did. This will not go over well and will be remembered.

They need to get behind Sanders, remember that courtesy can also be a tool, and take his lead if they want to have power to accomplish anything but irritating people and embarrassing themselves before going home.

[angstlessk]

40. and trump would have them all removed...proves we believe in Democracy

compare/contrast

[RonniePudding]

2. ...

[Renew Deal]

3. There is no reason for this convention to be on that list

The convention is a marketing opportunity. And those that make excuses for it are Trump enablers

[angstlessk]

4. That is an insult...99.9% of those delegates will vote for Hillary

as they should. The Hillary supporters are doing just fine drowning out the booers..

[Renew Deal]

5. Which part is the insult?

There shouldn't be booers and there shouldn't be a need to drown out anyone. At this point there is only one goal. Electing Hillary.

[angstlessk]

7. "those that make excuses for it are Trump enablers" < that

Conventions USED to decide the nominee, imagine the booooooos back then...?

[Renew Deal]

8. That was before primaries

In this case, the voters have spoken

[angstlessk]

12. Obviously not all of the voters...there has not been a contentious Democratic

convention since 1968...

[Renew Deal]

19. Everyone in that hall had the opportunity to vote

And I don't get your point about 1968. The convention is a marketing opportunity. Nothing less.

[Demsrule86]

20. This is not 1968

And I will remind you we lost that year but maintained congressional control...we lose this year...we lose everything. So much fun...not.

[angstlessk]

62. Democracy is GOOD why do you disdain Democracy?

Lockstep is NOT REQUIRED!

[Demsrule86]

74. During an election year, we work to elect our nominee

Dissent is disunity and leads to a loss...we lost in 1968. What followed was hardly 'democracy'. Attacking Democrats and that is what is happening in Philly...leads to GOP victories which in this case given the age of the Supreme Court justices would destroy progressive politics and possibly 'democracy' for a generation. Democracy might not even survive Comrade Heil Trump. He reminds me of those who ran for election once and then became presidents for life. And this so called 'democracy' in action is disrespectful to Hillary Clinton voters: many who are POC. We won the primary, and it was not stolen. She had more votes. And to boo Elijah Cummings...was just beyond the pale. Most in that hall are not fit to lick his boots.

[Lord Magus]

32. Yes, all of the voters.

The reason that "there has not been a contentious Democratic convention since 1968" is that since 1968 Democrats have held a primary or caucus in every state instead of letting state delegations be chosen without voter input.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

42. This is not 1968

In 1968 the nominee Hubert Humphrey did not complete in a single primary. In 1968 young men could be drafted to fight an unpopular war.

Those who compare 1968 to now lack perspective.

[angstlessk]

63. DUH! I think I know this is not 1968

Why everyone is so anti democratic just blows me away! Hillar has it locked...some Bernie supports are letting off steam...wowzer! Did not know we had so many lockstep supporters!

[angstlessk]

15. Where did you get that number?

30% of delegates are green party? How did they get credentialed?

[angstlessk]

23. I don't necessarily agree with them, but

let them cry and shout, most'll vote in November for Hillary, some maybe Jill. I can't imagine any voting for trump.

[geek tragedy]

26. I don't like to predict what fanatics will do.

I just know I don't want them involved in choosing our party's future.

[Lord Magus]

33. Voting for Stein is voting for Trump.

[angstlessk]

64. I totally agree..any liberal who votes for anyone but Clinton

should just as well pull the lever (in the olden days) for trump

[B Calm]

6. Exactly!

[annavictorious]

9. Yeah, keep making excuses for Sanders bad choices.

And the betrayal of the people that he allowed to be certified as delegates.

His vanity got the better of him, and he thought he could control the mob he created.

Sanders tweeted a couple of hours ago, asking his delegates not to do this. Their response was to spit in his face. Fuck them all.

[angstlessk]

14. I thought Democrats could handle dissent...

trump supports agree that there should not be dissent, or disagreement!

[BobbyDrake]

22. "Dissent" implies participation within a discussion. Shouting down anyone you don't like?

Not so much.

[angstlessk]

28. Dissent takes many forms...not just in debating societies

Has there ever been a society which has died of dissent? Several have died of conformity in our lifetime. [Jacob Bronowski "Science and Human Values," 1956]

[BobbyDrake]

34. Every society that has died, died as a result of some kind of dissent. It's agreement that keeps

civilization running. Agreeing to live by the same values, in the same space, that's what makes a culture. Fighting all the time is what bratty children do, on their way to building absolutely nothing.

[angstlessk]

37. Brackets don't show up??

Has there ever been a society which has died of dissent? Several have died of conformity in our lifetime. (Jacob Bronowski "Science and Human Values," 1956)

[angstlessk]

44. Okay...examples please?

WOW...Kings would still rule every country if not for dissent.

[BobbyDrake]

46. Examples of agreement building societies? Are you serious?

JFC, this got ridiculous fast.

You've made the claim that dissent builds societies. YOU name one. But not America, as that was founded on the agreement of the Founders and those who voted on revolution to all do so together. Or any other modern democratic society, founded on the same valuesof cooperation.

Even in democracy, the concept of "dissent" is limited by the fact that all adherents of the democratic system agree to live by the results of a vote! There is nowhere like what you're claiming, where constant bickering as displayed by these immature Sanders delegates has built anything even resembling a society.

[annavictorious]

25. This isn't dissent.

It's disrespect. The mob booed Sanders today. Then they spit in his face after he sent out that desperate tweet asking them "out of professional courtesy to me" not to do this. They looked him in the eye, and answered "Fuck you."

[Maru Kitteh]

38. Those fucking idiots that booed Bernie ARE TRUMP SUPPORTERS.

They look, walk, talk and SMELL like Trump/Putin Supporters. And we know them by their fruit.

[Demsrule86]

18. right...and it is so helpful to Trump...enjoy your ''convention"

Personally, I think a coronation would be way more helpful to Democrats and the country...because if Trump is elected president...kiss Bernie's revolution goodbye and this country too. This is not a good thing...it is embarrassing to me as a Democrat.

[angstlessk]

30. How is this helpful to trump?

they shut off the mics of his dissenters...it just proves we believe in democracy and not demigods!

[Maru Kitteh]

39. Bullshit.

And fuck Naderites.

[angstlessk]

45. OMG!!! You include Gore and Nader with bush*

who won because of the makeup of the supreme court?

[Maru Kitteh]

48. The President we should have had and the SHITWIT Green asshole who gave us Dubya.

Not really rocket science.

Do you stand with the SHITWIT Green assholes who are right now, trying to get us a Trump presidency? It kinda smells like you are.

Or do you join with Bernie Sanders who says we must elect Hillary Rodham Clinton?

[angstlessk]

49. I am 100% behind Hillary!

Like I said in another post...wish I was 12...instead of 60 something, being a woman..if 12 what a different future I could have dreamed of!

[Maru Kitteh]

58. Well, thank you for your support of the nominee.

But you are then old enough, as am I, to understand the unseemly and ugly behavior of these "supporters" is of NO BENEFIT to our party and the ultimate success of this ticket.

These people are acting like they are 12. I don't think they're real supporters of Bernie so much as they are anarchists and privileged little Greens who care more about their own agenda and could actually give a flying F about the country and those who will suffer under a tRump/Putin presidency. So really. To hell with them. The hateful disruptors among them should lose their credentials and be ejected.

[Demsrule86]

75. Disunity begets election losses...all that screaming only helps Trump.

And it hurts Bernie and his revolution too. The delegates appear rude and out of control. It makes the Dem party look bad which helps Comrade Heil Trump and Putin his best bff.

[BobbyDrake]

21. It's a shit-show thanks to Sanders' delegates not letting anyone speak without protesting.

At a certain point, basic respect has to factor into it, and these delegates weren't invited with the intent of them shouting down anyone they don't like all night. Or all week, god forbid.

It's sore losing, and it needs to end already.

[annavictorious]

27. It's almost as if they're saying to Sanders

"We're on the floor now. We don't need you anymore. Sit down, and shut up."

[angstlessk]

35. They have tired themselves out...so try to relax

enjoy the convention...I am sure there will be more "Bernie, Bernie, Bernie" shoting...but it ain't going to change the outcome, and I have not missed one word because of the cheers and jeers.

[Zynx]

29. Yes, 1860 and 1968 were crazy conventions, too. Those didn't go well for the country.

[angstlessk]

31. Well, the country is still here...none has been fatal to this country.

[BobbyDrake]

36. Wasn't the argument of the entire Sanders campaign that the country is not working right now?

And now you're brushing that claim off, because its effects can be traced back to certain points in time that you're confusingly equating with victory?

Holy cow.

[angstlessk]

50. "you're confusingly equating with victory?"

don't know how to answer that?

[BobbyDrake]

51. As expected. nt

[angstlessk]

52. Another non statement?

[Zynx]

41. Russia "survived" Stalin, too. Doesn't mean that was a good time.

[angstlessk]

53. Certainly not for the dissenters...

[Zynx]

65. The 1860 convention was a shitshow that led directly to the Civil War and 600,000 dead.

The 1968 convention gave us Nixon. I bet the country would be a far better place today had Humphrey won.

[angstlessk]

66. Let's hope these dissenters don't start another civil war, or

lead to 600,000 deaths!

[Zynx]

68. If they help elect Trump, I make no promises.

[angstlessk]

70. PULEEEEZE a few dissenters will get trump elected...

...if that's true don't blame Bernie!

[joeybee12]

43. Nope...

The media is now only reporting that there's dissension, nothing about anything good...the filth fringe needs to STFU

[angstlessk]

56. Since when did Democrats control the Media?

Edward R Morrow?

[joeybee12]

57. Grown-ups know how to behave in public

Children don't, and the media will zero in on a crying, petulant little sh*t before the adult listening respectfully.

[angstlessk]

69. Oh, please...it's a convention, not a restaurant!

I am truly flabbergasted how many people want to just shut the mouths of those who disagree and voice their disagreement at a POLITICAL CONVENTION!

[RBInMaine]

47. They're not being silenced. HUGE impact on the platform. HUGE place at the table. It is about UNITY!

[angstlessk]

54. That is what the convention is about...

you just want to start at the end.

[LaydeeBug]

55. It's a Nomination convention to celebrate the WINNER, which is not Bernie. nt

[angstlessk]

59. No, it's to nominate the presidential candidate

which will be Hillary,but there are those who will still vote for Sanders during roll call...

[LaydeeBug]

60. ...the presidential candidate who WON the Democratic primary

and those emails do not, and would not have, changed that even if they implemented the bullshit, which they did not.

[angstlessk]

61. Did I mentioned emails? I think not!

I do believe they still do a roll call. only the last umpty ump times it was just the same person for every delegation...this time some will vote for Bernie, but it won't make a difference!

[Lord Magus]

67. The roll call of delegates is a holdover from when voters didn't get to select the delegates.

It's a formality now. The voters choose the nominee, not the delegates.

[angstlessk]

71. There is still a roll call

and some will vote for Bernie...but Hillary will get 99% of the votes...

[avaistheone1]

72. Always a roll call. Always.