Who is the bigger villain and bigger priority as far as who progressives should be taking down?

[geek tragedy]

Obviously the Wikileaks thing has been getting a lot of attention here and elsewhere, and a lot of people are expressing anger that Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was given a symbolic position in the Clinton campaign as a parting gift after being forced out at DNC chair. Same people don't expend much energy talking about the need to defeat Donald Trump.

In the mean time, Donald Trump has moved ahead in the polls.

So, who is the bigger villain and the person against whom progressive energy should be directed?

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	Debbie Wasserman-Schultz is the bigger villain and threat to our country and progressive values
	0 (0%)
	Donald J. Trump is the bigger villain and threat to our country and progressive values
	11 (100%)
	They are equally evil villains and threats to our country and progressive values
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[Matt_in_STL]

1. I'm pretty energetic so I'll work against both.

I'll be voting and working against Debbie here in Florida and can still find time to vote against Trump. Multi-tasking for the win!

[Scuba]

3. ^^ This right here ^^

[bigwillq]

5. This

[DanTex]

23. Interesting how you rank them.

You work against Debbie but still find time to vote against Trump. Shows where the priorities are.

[Cha]

2. Good poll.. no brainer, of course.

Thanks geek.

No worries, Hillary will move ahead.. no way that fascist putin adoring asshole gets to be potus.

[liberal N proud]

4. But Debbie...

But Debbie this and Debbie that.

Oh, I am sorry it's not Debbie, it's DWS because!

[Cirque du So-What]

6. False dilemma - either-or fallacy

Should be one of the choices in your poll.

[geek tragedy]

7. Ok, I will create "they are equal threats to our country and progressive values" as an option.

[Cirque du So-What]

12. I don't see them as equal threats, with tRump being far & away the greater threat

Part of effective multitasking is appropriate allocation of resources, so defeating tRump should receive the lion's share of attention.

[vi5]

8. Yeah, it's too bad we can only focus on one thing at a time...

..and also, hey if there's always someone out there who is worse then we conveniently never have to look at ourselves. Nice how that works out for all involved.

[geek tragedy]

9. some people have shown very little interest in defeating Donald Trump

and a lot of interest in not only getting DWS fired (mission accomplished) but also permanently banished from public life.

they aren't voting in this poll for some reason

[vi5]

10. And many of us believe...

A strong Democratic party that serves the interests of all our citizens and represents many voices is the strongest way to win elections and to defeat the Republicans, and take issue with anything that prevents us as a party from doing so. Particularly in an election where one of the big issues is going to be establishment vs. anti-establishment and one of the tools to defeating the anti-establishment candidate will be showing that we take croneyism and a rigged system very seriously.

Others believe that it should be a cult of personality that only exists to further the careers of it's political celebrities and refuses to hear any criticisms and only rewards people who toe the party line.

A lot of people have a lot of different opinions.

[geek tragedy]

11. DWS has resigned. Superdelegates are going to be reduced by 2/3.

But some people are still hung up on trivial bullshit like DWS getting a symbolic position in Clinton's general election campaign.

[vi5]

16. People still don't get it....

The revolving door that allows people who lose their jobs because of incompetence or malfeasance but who then turn around and get handed jobs in administrations (symbolic or otherwise) is exactly the kind of thing that people have a problem with, and exactly the type of thing that cause people to not like or trust HRC. So this feeds right into that perception of pure bullshit. If DWS did something that caused her to have to resign her position, then she should be out. It gives the entire charade the sheen of "Yeah, we took care of it. (wink-wink, nudge-nudge).

The problem is that people want to see everything now as about figures or personalities when it's not. It's not just that people don't like HRC or DWS its that they have a problem with the system that they represent and see them as the embodiment of.

[geek tragedy]

17. This is about primary-driven vendettas from the Hillary Haters.

It's about vengeance and retribution and vendettas and the psychological need to harm people they disagree with.


"Waahh waahh Hillary didn't burn DWS at the stake, it was like she slapped me in the face."

Juvenile is too kind a term.

[vi5]

21. If you don't see the difference....

...between "not burning DWS at the stake" and immediately giving her a job (symbolic or otherwise) then nothing I say is going to convince you.

This head in the sand approach that dismisses any criticism of Hillary or the system itself as untoward is going to be the death of us in November.

[geek tragedy]

22. yes, she wasn't sufficiently humiliated in public, punished, degraded.

she was given a modicum of respect by the party's nominee, and people are acting as if Clinton just shot their dog.

it's psychological, not political

[vi5]

26. Right. That's exactly it.

Keep believing that.

It's not like if we lose in November that you'll have to admit that any of it was wrong or that it might have fed into the negative perception of the Democratic party and our candidate.

It will always be someone else's fault.

[geek tragedy]

27. that is exactly it.

here's a thought--act like defeating Donald Trump is more important than sticking it to DWS.

[vi5]

29. It cuts both ways....

you and many others on here seem to be acting as though fighting with people who you seem to think can never be reached no matter what, is a more productive use of your time than convincing people who need to understand this, why they should be voting for Hillary Clinton.

I'm voting for Clinton, despite my own personal feelings on the matter because Trump is too dangerous. Maybe if you spent the time you did responding to me and others like me on here, simply because we're not clapping loudly enough and instead were out there giving people on the fence reasons TO vote FOR Hillary then we might actually win.

[geek tragedy]

30. here's the deal:

People demanded DWS resign.

They got their way.

Then they started moving the goalposts. Now it's not enough to have her resign in humiliation, but now they're demanding she be shunned and publicly shamed by the party's nominee.

That's not how this works.

[emulatorloo]

28. The way we lose in November is by sitting on our asses and not doing GOTV

[uponit7771]

14. The focus on one thing is higher than it should be

[JCanete]

13. Using Trump as a boogie man for why we don't need to tend our own garden should not be

what progressives who care about truth and a better world do. It is one thing to hold your nose and continue to work with a corrupted party because you are being pragmatic, and making a calculated decision about what needs to come first. It is quite another to refuse to talk about any malfeasance in the party because ..Trump...which is about as anti-intellectual as you can get, and has the tone of a nationalistic fervor that requires allegiance to party rather than to principle.

It scares me that this board continues to sound so much like that, and in fact, issues are almost never even talked about here. They are an afterthought, a thing of convenience only, for someone to say "now are you happy?"

And I'll say it again, Trump has no chance. He's about as unhinged as Palin, and when it came down to it Palin sunk Mccain's already struggling campaign, because only 35 to 38 percent of our voters are crazy enough to put somebody THAT incompetent and unhinged into the White House. Consider just how badly this man is going to do when it comes debate time, and when media interviewers start to get serious, because the establishment doesn't want him either. He's either going to have to avoid all of that, which is going to make him look like a hero to that same 35 percent and a coward to the rest of the nation, or he's going to do the debates and interviews and get manhandled.

[uponit7771]

15. No on is claiming our garden is perfect but no where around the levlel of attention towards...

... demonizing DWS that it should be in the M$M and among mostly Sanders supporters than it should be.

Putin tRump ties should outnumber the stories about DWS 13423432 to one... its not, cause the DWS hate is AstroTurfed

[Sivart]

18. This is a simpleton / republican type of poll......

This kind of crap used to get called out around here years ago.

Sad.

[geek tragedy]

19. A lot of people here are a lot more worked up about DWS not being sufficiently humiliated

than they are about Putin and Trump hacking party servers and ratfucking our convention.

Just very odd.

[Sivart]

20. No, thanks.

....You changed your reply so that mine no longer makes sense.

Enjoy your silly little poll.

[Bluenorthwest]

24. I'm not a binary creature but DWS took herself down neatly as I knew she would....

it's not hard to spot the red flags of impunity that always mark a coming fall. I hate to quote my Southern Baptist peeps but they don't say that stuff about pride preceding a stumble for nothing.

Trump on the other hand has enjoyed decades of protection from those of us who have protested him since the 1980's. Some even in our Party ignored the truth about him and made nice with him, golfed with him, praised him to the press, did guest shots on his show, attended his parties. Now many who used to say 'my friend The Donald' now say 'he is the devil and you can't speak of anything else because he is so diabolical'. But those people played nice with him while we protested him. They don't get to tell us how to oppose Trump, they should have been heeding our alarms all along.

ACT UP and other groups had to target Reagan for years to prompt him to any action at all and during that time Donald J Trump was also a target of protest by LGBT and PoC who were organized in the face of AIDS. I understand that does not fit the narrative that was delivered during the Primary about such activists but it is still the fact and that's part of why that narrative was so hurtful and frightening.

[geek tragedy]

25. people didn't take Trump seriously, what they didn't realize is that there are so many

dumbfuck bigots in this country that do take him seriously.

He mainstreamed himself 25-30 years ago when bigotry was a lot more socially acceptable, and then managed to keep his bigotry out of most public discourse until Obama got elected.