So has JPR turned on Bernie now?

[ButterflyBlood]

Is he yet another corporatist neoliberal Democrat?

[MineralMan]

1. It doesn't matter. Not one bit.

There will always be bitter, angry people. Not enough of them, though, to derail progress, no matter how hard they try.

That website is completely irrelevant to the 2016 election. This one is not.

[SCantiGOP]

22. I agree, to hell with them

I've only looked at their site once, and saw the names of about a half dozen rant and ravers and thought how glad I was that they are no longer on this site.

[puffy socks]

136. My favorite rule on JPR

"Be nice. Or at least, don’t be mean. People with the same goals can disagree on how to achieve them."


And yet they fought against Hillary who has the same goals but we couldn't agree on how to achieve them.

[seabeyond]

2. We need to leave JPR alone. We are better than this. We have all been educated,

now we can move on. Let them move on.

[Smarmie Doofus]

6. Most of us will.

Hasta la pasta.

>>>>>Let them move on.>>>>>

[tallahasseedem]

3. Whatever...don't worry about it.

Bernie proved he was his own person and stuck to what he wanted to see no matter how many (including myself) bashed him. In no way, shape, or form was he forced to do this. He did it because he knows whats at stake, and that what will make us strong in this election.

[840high]

4. Why worry about JPR?

[Lance Bass esquire]

7. Agreed

Let all 14 of them be.
Live and let live.

[Smarmie Doofus]

8. Why indeed?

Something's wrong there..... isn't it?

[emulatorloo]

30. Yes, time to move on.

And also recognize that there are solid progressives there who eventually will rise to the top.

[Snotcicles]

142. enemy du jour. nt

[cwydro]

146. I know exactly what you mean.

I find myself curious as to the fixation some here seem to have with that site.

interesting to try to figure out why.

But I think OPs deriding another site are childish and pointless.

[giftedgirl77]

5. Who cares as long as they aren't shitting all over DU?

[TwilightZone]

18. Kind of hard to argue with that.

[MoonRiver]

50. Exactly!

[Tarc]

74. They have several sub-forums dedicated to examining and ridiculing DU users and posts

As long as that persists, just like that idiot right-wing "Cave" forum, then JPR is fair game.

[giftedgirl77]

135. It's just giving them more fuel.

It's like dealing with annoying ppl, if you ignore them they eventually became irrelevant.

[workinclasszero]

112. You have a good point there

I am grateful there is a place for those people to go to.

And its no longer DU where we democrats are now united against Trump and the damned republican hate party.

We may not be pure enough for some, but we sure as hell can stop a fascist demagogue and his party from taking over America while others navel gaze, exclude and cleanse the unpure from their little party.

[NCTraveler]

9. Didn't go over well.

"Bernie said he was taking it to the convention. Did he lie to me? I need to process that."

"She is for everything I am against. And she is vengeful. So today is likely the day I quit the party. "

"As I review the past 24 months of election sorcery I realize that this process was a complete and utter sham. I will not compromise myself by voting for Hillary Clinton who I feel should be in jail, sentenced to a lifetime of disgrace for the crimes that she has committed across the globe and to the people of this country. Time will tell of more horrors than we can imagine if she is selected to the Presidency. My name will not be one who placed her in that position of power. No way."

" I now will work to help Jill Stein take over where Bernie left off."

"I don’t even care if it is my 1 frigging vote for Stein that causes Trump to become POTUS."

"We're better off with Trump than Hillary. It's that simple."

[LP2K12]

11. Hopefully they are in a minority.

I support(ed) Bernie. I have personal and ethical issues with the e-mail server. That being said, those issues are not enough to risk a Trump presidency. I will vote for Clinton and I'm proud of Bernie's endorsement. I'm in no way upset he endorsed prior to the convention. He did the right thing.

[NCTraveler]

13. They are a very small minority.

I have said this all the way through the season. Most all Sanders supporters kick ass as does Sanders himself.

[Haveadream]

28. Extremely small

[NurseJackie]

26. That's cra-cray!

[NCTraveler]

27. Truly f'ing nutz. nt.

[Renew Deal]

31. The person that made the last comment should be banned

There is no "progressive" that should tolerate that. It says a lot about that site if they allow people with those views to be amongst them.

[NCTraveler]

38. In a way, they have been banned from here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=329830

Self-selected banning of course.

[840high]

58. So stop going there.

[NCTraveler]

59. I don't get why that is a concern of yours. Nt

[trumad]

162. That one is always concerned.

[anigbrowl]

69. Why?

I read Free Republic regularly, JPOR too although I don't participate in either forum. I make a habit of monitoring what people of opposite opinions to me are thinking.

[joshcryer]

60. Filthy backstabbing turncoats.

Saw it coming, of course. They were never actual Sanders supporters.

[NCTraveler]

63. Many of the names were neither Sanders supporters or progressive.

Agree.

[Bleacher Creature]

91. "She is for everything I am against"

That's truly an amazing statement proving, without a doubt, that they have lost their minds.

The list of issues she supports, from universal healthcare to a woman's right to choose to strong environmental regulation is a comprehensive list of everything progressives hold dear. People may question her methods and choices, but that statement is lunacy.

[forjusticethunders]

10. Make no mistake, they have been prepping the biggest nastiest bus of all for Bernie.

And they're gonna throw him under it, or they would he wasn't driving right past them on the rainbow colored Hillary bus.

[dlwickham]

33. we knew it was just a matter of time before they turned on him

[forjusticethunders]

42. They were saying he was a sellout for even running as a Dem as opposed to Indy nt

[hlthe2b]

12. May I ask re: the origins of that site?

Was it started by late DUer JackPineRadical? Though I know he was a fervent BS backer, I have to think he'd not like the direction and tone the site has taken...

Just curious....

[PJMcK]

29. Perhaps this answers your question

This is from their "A few notes regarding JackpineRadicals" page:

Thank you all for being here. It is truly amazing that there are so many wonderful people gathered together under the JackpineRadicals roof.

Though we will never know, I believe that Jim Peterson aka JackpineRadical, would be proud. We weren’t able to make this dream a reality before we lost this wonderful man but Jim and I had a vision for this site. We’ve tried hard to keep to what he wanted. With the great family of JackpineRadicals, I think we did it.

The most important thing is that we have humor back in our online world.

There's more, hlthe2b, but I hope that's what you were looking for.

What a site that is! I'll stay on DU.

[Squinch]

39. That is people justifying the use of his name. Those here who knew him are uniformly

saying he would be horrified by the idea of a site named after him frequently supporting a Trump presidency. And almost every thread I have seen there has unopposed posters talking about how Trump is the better choice.

[PJMcK]

51. Thanks!

I don't remember him but, to me, that is a toxic site.

Enjoy your afternoon, Squinch.

[Squinch]

52. And you too!

[anigbrowl]

70. It's the American way

After you die people try to coopt your legacy for their own purposes, and if you chose to get buried rather than cremated then you end up spinning in your grave. I dunno what happens if you got cremated, you turn into a tornado or something I suppose.

[Squinch]

83. You know someone is eventually going to sneeze and you'll end up in the vacuum bag...

That's my burial plan.

[sarae]

106. I didn't know the original user Jack Pine...

but if I died and people used my name to celebrate Trump in any way, you can be sure I'd come back from the dead to correct the record.

[forjusticethunders]

43. "The most important thing is that we have humor back in our online world."

Always important to note that bigots try to justify their bigotry by saying it's just "humor".

[bettyellen]

53. Well the dudes think it's hilarious to keep others in their place with their "jokes" whether they be

About watermelons or the sexy ladies, staying alpha is too much fun to give up. Even if you lose elections with that attitude. HA.

[NurseJackie]

55. Yep ... except THEY are the ones who are the biggest joke of all. What insanity!

[Squinch]

32. No. DUer Jackpine Radical had nothing to do with that site whatsoever, and from all reports

he would probably be horrified by it.

[PJMcK]

35. Please see my post #29 above (n/t)

[nolawarlock]

104. Isn't he dead?

[Andy823]

56. It was started by

And still run by Manny, who was BANNED from DU. He conned a lot of people, and brought in other trolls, then when he had enough followers he started that board along with some others who were never really what they claimed to be.

Very few of them were ever going to vote for Hillary, and the majority were never Democrats, Liberals, or Progressives. They are simply playing a game and those who "think" they are going to follow in Bernie's footsteps and continue the "revaluation" are being played, big time. I think many who went over will come back after seeing what that sites is really all about.

[joshcryer]

62. I know Catherina was instrumental in the early incarnation.

But it seems they had to do a reboot for whatever reason.

As to who started it, bought the original domain, not sure. I do think Manny is running the current incarnation.

[pnwmom]

132. No, it wasn't. They are just trading on his popularity. n/t

[charlyvi]

14. #BernieSanders is trending on Twitter

It's ugly.

[NorthCarolina]

114. I just went and looked. Those tweets are Trump supporters, not Bernie supporters. -nt-

[SCantiGOP]

138. We have trolls here too

I ignore them, but it is obvious some people on here are disrupters and not Democrats.
I am particularly suspicious of the NRA since it is an established fact that they have people posting on sites to present the Guns are Good arguments.

[aikoaiko]

15. Antagonizing them will not serve us well.

[Haveadream]

41. They are already antagonized and incredibly hostile

And there is little anyone can do about that because minds have been made up and not even Bernie can persuade them. Based on the sentiments expressed, it appears that the hatred of Hillary and the Dems is outright and unwavering. They have separated themselves from the Democrats, quite like the GOP's far right wing tea party. That is their right ideologically, as it is the right of loyal Democrats to see them as misguided, undermining of our objectives and divisive. That is a legitimate critique, not antagonism. They may not like it but it is a fair argument for Dems to make.

[aikoaiko]

64. I don't think we should be making it worse.

We may differ on party labels/loyalties and the personalities we endorse, but we mostly want the same things.

Painting them as freepers is a bad move.

Many of them were or still are us.

[Haveadream]

65. The party is always stronger when there is room for everyone

The best outcome of all of the contention would be for everyone to embrace the party as their own and work to make it the best it can be. Kind of like what Bernie is doing right now. We are always so much stronger when we are united.

[GulfCoast66]

66. Walk like a duck...

They paint themselves as Freepers. Latest theory going there now is that HRC threatened Bernie or his family with death or physical harm. And it is a serious thread. That on top of the misogyny and the paint job is done.

But read closely and you realize the real hard core have never voted Democratic or not voted at all.

I think the real progressives have had growing horror at what the site has become and have been quietly leaving. The ones remaining are beyond redemption.(in a political sense)

[anigbrowl]

73. Ultimately they're responsible for their own statements and behavior. Also...

...yeah, some of them are freepers insofar as they're willing to put their racist or sexist biases above their economic ideals, or (worse IMHO) willing to see others suffer in order to validate their economic ideas, ie supporting Trump in the belief that he'll crash the economy so badly that people will be driven into the arms of the socialists at last. This attitude seems to prevail with a small but persistent number of extreme Marxists - you know, the religious ones that like to quote Marx but not actually think much.

I mean look at what happened with Hillaryis44.com, now the only people who post there probably also have Stormfront accounts.

[anigbrowl]

71. It's a waste of time, but an entertaining one

While life is too short and mocking the stupid is a shallow pleasure, I like a bit of shallow pleasure from time to time and it's cheaper than drinking.

[nolawarlock]

102. As I said elsewhere

It's not entertaining. It's amusing. There is a difference. Entertainment is a trip to Disneyland. Amusement is the carnival that comes to the local parking lot.

[anigbrowl]

118. Uhuh. I'll be sure to buy your dictionary when it comes out

Perhaps it will amuse or entertain me, though I'm not too optimistic.

[nolawarlock]

124. I was agreeing with you for the most part.

And only joking in the way that I didn't. Not sure how you took offense to it but whatevs.

[anigbrowl]

125. I'm not offended, I just don't get your joke. Sorry! nt

[nolawarlock]

103. Justify their crazy however you want.

They're no better than the Sandy Hookers, Birthers, and Truthers to me at this point and they will never come around so why should we pretend they aren't being jerks?

[aikoaiko]

115. I'm not justifying anything or asking you to pretend anything.

I'm suggesting we leave them alone instead of creating OPs about them.

But I get it. There are Hillary supporters who probably want to widen the chasm between JPR and Bernie supporters who are willing or want to vote for HRC. That probably makes them feel good about causing friction between former friends who once posted here.

Carry on as you see fit.

[nolawarlock]

123. I have no agenda whatsoever outside of pointing at the cages in the zoo.

[bettyellen]

147. Many are currently praying for our nominee's death now....

But we should play nice with people who argue they can find proper context to call us c*nts and ni**erss and wish is dead. Chasm? They found their own planet and it's an ugly bitter one. Good riddance.

[aikoaiko]

148. I would have to see those comments myself and how those words were used before I wrote them off

It sounds like you have seen those posts and made that decision already. So be it.

[bettyellen]

149. Go look for context to use racial and sexist slurs elsewhere.

The new jury system is designed to make sure they don't keep popping up here anymore.

[aikoaiko]

150. Obviously.

[AgingAmerican]

116. Scapegoating is a right wing tactic and has no place here

[pnwmom]

133. We antagonize them by openly supporting Hillary. We're not going to stop. n/t

[liberal N proud]

16. It exposes them for what they really stand for

or against.

[JaneyVee]

17. Of course.

[cosmicone]

19. I'm leaving JPR alone

just as I am no longer using DOS 5.0

[LostOne4Ever]

20. Not all of us! Some of us are true Bernie Supporters!

http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/so-bernie-has-endorsed-hillary-ill-make-it-simple/

[arcane1]

21. You are ruining peoples' chances to act childish. Shame on you!

[LostOne4Ever]

24. Sorry! I am being bad aren't I?

[840high]

111. Heehee - carry on.

[Squinch]

37. And lots in that very thread are talking about how much better a president Trump would make.

Not the best choice to show the sanity of the site.

[Maru Kitteh]

54. "sanity of the site"

[nolawarlock]

100. The scary thing is I don't think they're all closet Trump supporters.

I think some are so focussed on the cult of personality that it's no longer about issues to them and this is just an aspect of a culture more obsessed with cult of personality than it is actual issues. Many of those so quick to abandon Bernie now do not really see those issues. If Hillary more-forcefully adopted his position on fracking, it would be the TPP. If she was more anti-TPP than she already is, it would be the IWR vote that nobody gave that much hell to Edwards or Kerry for. Heck, they blame her for Iraq more than they do Bush which is utterly absurd. This is far more about personality and persona and image and politics and, at the end of the day, politics is all about who people like and who they don't. It's rarely about issues even when we try to convince ourselves that it is because when most people get concessions or apologies, they rarely appreciate or accept them. They just keep moving the goalposts. Bernie fought for the issues. He won many of them in spite of losing the primary. But the crazies on JPR won't understand his accomplishments because it's all about who they think is popular and who isn't. The few on JPR for whom this is still about issues are typically those for economic isolationism and protectionism to the exclusion of all other issues. That economic model is something shared by both far right and far left, along with a hatred of porn—and I doubt that's a starring issue of a candidate who owns casinos.

"To think of
Celebrated heads of state,
Or specially great communicators!
Did they have brains or knowledge?
Don't make me laugh!
They were popular! Please! It's all about popular."

- Wicked the Musical

[joshcryer]

61. You would be better off not associating with those scumbags.

If you told me a year ago Sanders supporters would be backing Trump I would have laughed my ass off.

[LostOne4Ever]

75. If they keep treating Retrowire like that I might.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]But, I am friends with many of the members there, and I know they are good people trying to do what is right. I believe they will do what they believe is right.

Same with the people here. I didn't give up on DU when the Bernie bashing got bad and it was clear he wasn't going to win.

Walking the line between idealism and pragmatism is one hell of a balancing act.[/font]

[nolawarlock]

98. Idealism?

Are birthers idealists? Truthers? What about those Sandy Hook people?

Is there no point at which "idealism" crosses straight into cracked out conspiracy theory for you? These people are accusing Hillary of threatening her opponent's family and crafting a myriad of theories to support their wacked-out "ideals."

You can defend complete crazy if you like. I'm old enough to remember when asylums were popular.

[LostOne4Ever]

107. Idealism

Are Birthers Idealists? Truthers? What about those Sandy Hook people?

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]No. Birther's are motivated racism not ideals. Truthers/Sandy Hook people are motivated by conspiracy theories and paranoia, not ideals. [/font]

Is there no point at which "idealism" crosses straight into cracked out conspiracy theory for you? These people are accusing Hillary of threatening her opponent's family and crafting a myriad of theories to support their wacked-out "ideals."

You can defend complete crazy if you like. I'm old enough to remember when asylums were popular.

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=#009999]
Ideals can't become conspiracy theories because they are visions of how things should be in a perfect world. Conspiracy theories are based on paranoia, the opposite of an ideal. Can a person become paranoid and buy into conspiracy theories in pursuit of their ideals? Yes, but that doesn't mean it always happens.

I am a skeptic. I don't buy into conspiracy theories. Some of the people buy into those type of things. Some don't. Same as with DU. I personally, don't and I condemn such theories.

At one time asylums were used to conduct horrible experiments on people. That is not the answer. Compassion and knowledge are the answer.[/font]

[nolawarlock]

120. Well I don't know what you call some of the people over there ...

... but they look like wack jobs to me.

[nolawarlock]

101. Clearly you haven't read all the responses.

[LostOne4Ever]

108. I read the ones agreeing with the OP-which proves my point. nt

[nolawarlock]

121. Sure it does.

[w4rma]

129. You're ruining the 'two minutes hate' going on on this thread by pointing this out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two_Minutes_Hate

[DemonGoddess]

156. There are very few reasonable posts in that entire topic

you linked to. Most of it is GARBAGE. Loads and loads of "voting for Stein", "don't care if Trump wins" and the like. I seriously hope that you don't consider that helpful.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

23. who the fuck really cares?

[glennward]

25. I'm pretty new at this so what or who is JPR? nt

[geek tragedy]

34. meh, who cares? nt

[elleng]

36. No.

[shanti]

47. i'll second that

people will see what they want to see.

[elleng]

48. Yes, shanti,

as always.

[Gothmog]

44. They were not happy

I have fun reading a number of threads

[nolawarlock]

96. Oh it's definitely been amusing!

I get the same sick jolly reading some of their kooky-ass theories that I used to get reading Birthers and Truthers and those Sandy Hook crackpots. But it's just amusement. Not quite entertainment. No, it doesn't rise to that level. There is a difference, you know. Entertainment is a trip to Disneyland. Amusement is that carnival that comes to the local parking lot.

[lovemydog]

113. Your last couple sentences remind me of a hilarious line

from the song Brownsville Girl by Bob Dylan (co-written with Sam Shepard): 'Even the swap meets around here are getting pretty corrupt!'

[nolawarlock]

122. LOL

[Adrahil]

45. Let them wallow...

In their own crapitude. Don't really care.

[Squinch]

46. Yes.

[democrattotheend]

49. On the on thread I saw, not really

Some people were disappointed about the endorsement or said they were not going to vote for Hillary in spite of it, but not much Bernie bashing. Many said that he was doing what he had to do to ensure that he would continue to have influence and be able to advance his agenda.

[nolawarlock]

95. Maybe you're still going to the .org?

[democrattotheend]

119. I went to whatever thread someone linked on here

I don't usually go to that site.

[LongtimeAZDem]

57. Even better, they've gone full tinfoil; check this out:

"My ret. FBI investigative friend says they put a gun to his head.

He says they do that shit all the time. Just like the CIA rollout of Comey, Lynch, and no slap for Hillary, and now this. I won’t condemn, Bernie, but I wont vote for her, or plan any revolution with her, and the party. They work against progressive candidates, and Hillary will support the Third Wayers. It’s over. But yes, something is wrong."

[Squinch]

90. My FBI friend says that all Hillary voters are wearing masks and they are really one-eyed space

aliens. No kidding.

And they are right outside my door!!!!!

[nolawarlock]

94. Everyone has a "friend" ...

... especially those who truly have none.

[nolawarlock]

67. This is the kooky theory going on over at Jerks Pining Ridiculist now ...

“A hard day for most of us. I have contacts within both campaigns. Here’s what I was told yesterday and today. Clinton’s campaign “threatened” to vote down every concession made to Bernie on the platform if he did not endorse her prior to the convention. Knowing that Superdelegates were not going to switch to his side without something major happening, the best he could do was hold on to the progressive concessions he won for US on the platform. He could not, in good consciousness let the GOP and Trump win, especially when we have a potential half of the Supreme Court Justices that will be replaced within the next 4-8 years. He was looking out for the future of our movement and our nation in this very hard decision he made. This post is not to tell you to vote for Hillary, or to not leave the Democratic Party, etc. this was just to throw a little light on why Bernie did what he felt he HAD to do, rather than what he wanted to do. A sign of a great leader is someone who makes the hard decision to sacrifice themselves for the people and movement behind him. He is counting on us to continue the fight. I for one will continue. Thank you Bernie for waking so many of us up and setting us on this path. #bernieismyhero #thankyoubernie #stillsanders”

“I am a delegate from Utah. Bernie’s campaign called me at 6 am this morning to make sure I was still planning on attending the DNC as I have not raised much money on my funding campaign and they needed to know what I needed to ensure my participation at the convention. I was told that every delegate was vital and that the fight for our movement was not over. Didn’t sound like Bernie was quitting on us. I’ll be in Philly.”

Source: http://jackpineradicals.com/boards/topic/a-reason-for-bernies-decision-from-a-sanders-delegate/

I'd love to see a credible source about this "overturning" of platform items. There's no way they could carry out that threat without a media maelstrom. How the hell would they have justified it? The so-called "theories" surrounding this primary have truly been the most entertaining part about it. It ranks right up there with Trutherism and Birtherism and the weird mental calisthenics those folks would contort themselves through in order to support a "theory." That there are still people trying, in a very Birtherist/Trutherist sort of way, to rationalize that he's still going to try for the nomination is just ridiculous. I think Bernie could commit suicide and some people would think the superdelegates would switch for his corpse. What is it going to take to convince these people that he lost? LOL

I just think these people have no common sense. Why on earth would he bother to endorse her on the threat that she would have his concessions voted down. First off, she'd never get away with it without looking absolutely petty and ridiculous and the media would fry her for it. Secondly, if she'd actually threatened this, curmudgeonly Bernie would have said, "go for it," and used it to fuel his followers to even greater devotion and we'd have riots in Philly at the convention. Thirdly, Bernie isn't so stupid that he actually thinks the superdelegates are going to switch—especially after all the threats (including against family and children) that his most ardent followers lobbed at them. Fourthly, if he were really going to go for Jill Stein, he wouldn't need to wait for our convention to do it, he'd just do it now in order to get on more ballots. Waiting for a convention speaking slot to announce it might have a certain amount of self-satisfaction but it would do nothing to help him win and would probably piss off far more people than it would ever embolden.

On a more positive note, I am incredibly impressed with Bernie now. I realize that his saner supporters have been saying for awhile now that he pivoted for a fight for the issues but it was hard to trust that with all the crazy and noisy among them speaking to the contrary. I think it's incredibly admirable that he fought for, and got the most progressive platform in the party's history and got his opponent herself to craft changes to her own policies as well. His supporters should be very proud of this.

[Agschmid]

68. I do not care, and I think we should all move on.

[jcgoldie]

72. who cares

That's a misogynist, delusional, hate inspired forum.

[redwitch]

76. Let it go.

Please.

[Ken Burch]

77. This OP doesn't help the Clinton campaign.

I don't have any use for JPR's attitude towards Bernie on his HRC endorsement, but at some point we're probably going to have to find some way to win at least some of those folks over.

Baiting JPR members is not a good use of your time. Better you should focus on winning votes for the Democratic nominee.

[NurseJackie]

79. You never know ... the person who called Hillary "C---y McC---face" ...

... and the "moderator" who permitted it may decide that Hillary's not so bad after all.

[Ken Burch]

80. Well, probably not THOSE two...

But I doubt they were ever actually Sanders supporters at all.

(There are probably a lot of "4chan" types posting there just to stir up the schiesse).

[Squinch]

89. Yes. Let's all bend over backward to appease THOSE people.

These posts that say we can't criticize trolls and Trump boosters because it doesn't unite the party always amaze me.

[lovemydog]

117. Maybe, maybe not.

Probably not is my guess because I don't think those folks ever had the slightest intention of voting for Hillary or for any democrats for that matter. Those of us who read a lot of their posts here at DU, we could see that most of the folks posting there were bitter, hateful trolls. The two primary founders there were actually quite racist. I think they were republicans trying to turn people here against each other and also against liberals and democrats.

I think it's great that they're exposing themselves to more people here at DU now. I hope it's a useful lesson for people here to develop a more critical eye in reading other people's posts. Couched in sarcasm and snide condescension, they pulled the wool over the eyes of some naive folks who thought they were the bees knees. That was reflected in the number of recs they'd get when they'd post idiotic crap about President Obama being a 'piece of shit used car salesman' or asking whether gay and black people who support Hillary are suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome.'

I've never had any problem with people who support Sanders or Clinton. I've always had and always will have a problem with people who lie and say they are 'more progressive than thou' and use condescension and divisiveness as a means to get naive people into their circle of hatred and advocacy against voting. I think it's healthy to have a critical eye, and give folks like that a major side-eye. Helps us all tighten up our game.

[betsuni]

130. Well said! (nt)

[bravenak]

78. Meh. They really don't matter.

Let's ignore them so they see how irrelevant their constant outrage has made them.

[NurseJackie]

81. It's a hate site.

I keep hoping that links to it (or promotional posts talking about how great it is) will eventually be prohibited.

[bravenak]

85. That is very true

I will no longer give them my awesome attention because they suck. Jus like I will not go to Free Republic to peruse the negativity there. Jpr is a shit site and I feel sad that they convince members here to go over there. I see many of them are more unhappy with the blatant racism and sexism there than they ever were with the Hilllove here. That site will fizzle out if we ignore them. They aint shit without attention and outrage.

[jcgoldie]

152. +1

That place is trash.

[nolawarlock]

88. That they aren't banned is the $64,000 question lately.

I mean, what separates them from Stormfront these days?

[riversedge]

82. the donald has invited them over to his side.............

4,722 retweets 10,127 likes
Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 6h6 hours ago

To all the Bernie voters who want to stop bad trade deals & global special interests, we welcome you with open arms. People first.


Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 10h10 hours ago

I am somewhat surprised that Bernie Sanders was not true to himself and his supporters. They are not happy that he is selling out!
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Donald J. Trump ?@realDonaldTrump 10h10 hours ago

Bernie Sanders, who has lost most of his leverage, has totally sold out to Crooked Hillary Clinton. He will endorse her today - fans angry!

[bravenak]

86. Many of them are already on his side. They were just rightwing trolls after all

[nolawarlock]

93. Any Bernie supporter who votes for Trump ...

... is either not really a Bernie supporter or solely cares about economic protectionism or isolationism to the exclusion of all other issues since that and a hatred for porn are about the only issues that the farthest right and left have in common and we've already seen plenty of Melania.

[One of the 99]

84. Who is JPR???

[nolawarlock]

87. Jilted Pining Radicules. nt

[Hekate]

97. Read the thread. Click on the links. All will be revealed.

[DLCWIdem]

110. JPR = jack Pine Radicals

[HarmonyRockets]

126. If you go over to the Bernie Sanders group

You will find a thread advertising the site and encouraging people to hop over. I'm not going to even post the URL because personally I think promoting that site should be considered TOS violation. But that's just me though.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

92. Why don't you take your fingers and eyes over there and find out for yourself? nt

[840high]

128. Kick with you +10

[calimary]

99. Well, I'm glad to have him join the Hillary team! Delighted! At long last!

And I'd guess that, for every Jackpiner who's upset, there are probably multiples of DUers who will open their arms to embrace him, especially among the pro-Hillary folks. I, for one, am STOKED that he finally made the decision we've been hoping for, and I've been for Hilary since the beginning.

I hope even the Jackpine folks come to understand that Hillary Clinton seriously is the ONLY thing standing between all of us and the nightmare of a possible President Trump. I suspect Bernie Sanders concluded that already. Especially since he has long stated, openly, that he'll do anything and everything he can to keep The Donald out of the Oval Office. Hillary's usually considered the practical one, but Bernie is certainly being practical too, at least this far. I KNOW he's clear on one important thing: the ONLY way any of his ideas, plans, campaign promises, agenda items, or proposed policies actually can get across the finish line is with Hillary carrying the baton. It won't be him. But the things he stood for will get there, in one form or other. If it's Trump, there is NO hope of that, whatsoever. And I'd say a Trump Presidency would set (and roll) us so far back that contemporary calendars denoting dates-BC would not entirely unimaginable!

Please let's us all remember, their voting records when they were both in the Senate, mirrored each other about 92-93 percent of the time. They're genuinely of like mind on the vast majority of these issues (she's actually better than he is on the gun issue, for example, which really rings THIS voter's chimes). If that's the worst it gets, it's still a helluva win.

PLUS - I suspect that Bernie, today, will have won back the hearts of some (maybe MANY) of those who've observed or complained about his squandering his legacy and whatever leverage he'd built up during the campaign, by holding out on endorsing Hillary for this long. I'm one of those. However, I get it about how the case can be made that he held out because he wanted some specific things in the platform, and well, stuff takes time, and rather annoyingly sometimes! But from what i've seen, anyway, he's getting very high marks for the contents AND spirited delivery of his speech. And good on him! If he's approaching the autumn or winter of his political career, he goes out ten feet tall. Literally, everybody wins. He's put too much effort and many years into this to have the last thing people remember about him be that he was some sort of sore loser.

That's gone. Today. I thought they were both classy today. The immediate beneficiary is Hillary. But Bernie did exceedingly nicely today, too. Made me start liking him all over again.

[Rex]

105. I dunno on DI I see people obsess over DU and it is kinda creepy.

JPR will no doubt continue to support BS all the way up til the convention and then beyond. He is their prophet, so the ones that throw him under the bus never meant to vote Dem in the first place. IMO.

[Iggo]

140. Exactly as creepy as seeing people on DU obsess over JPR.

This shit needs to stop.

It's embarrassing, quite frankly.

[John Poet]

160. Indeed.

[DemonGoddess]

109. I've only looked at it a few times. That was quite enough.

I figure we let them stew in their bitterness, as long as they leave US alone here.

[still_one]

127. no surprise here. They have thrown everone who endorsed Hillary under the bus

That only demonstrates just how far they have lost it

[Silver_Witch]

131. You just can't stop can u

Why do you care? Just stop. So full of anger.

[Tarc]

137. Seeing the Bernie or Busters go down in flames as Sanders endorsed Hillary

Was a delicious cherry on top of an already wonderful nomination.

I shall savor it.

[hobbit709]

141. I bet you're one of those people "that brings great joy whenever they leave the room"

[Silver_Witch]

143. Standing ovation!!!

[Bobbie Jo]

144. Lemme guess...

Proud member?

Just a hunch...

[hobbit709]

145. I'm a proud member of a lot of things.

[ibegurpard]

134. no

And those that have certainly can't begin to compare to the Bernie haters here now singing his praises. It's really quite nauseating

[Iggo]

139. Who gives a fuck? If I need to know about JPR, I'll go to JPR.

Like, no time soon.

[RKP5637]

151. All the focus now needs to be to defeat Trump. The primaries are over and we need to

move on. If Trump is elected we will be blasted back decades. I stand for democrats united, not divided.

[NanceGreggs]

153. Yes, of course they have.

It was inevitable.

But I find JPR incredibly intriguing.

It not only serves to unmask the RW trolls who posed as “progressive Democrats” here on DU, but gives one a great view into how a cult of personality operates.

More importantly, IMHO, it affords a glimpse into what a Bernie Sanders presidency would have looked like from the perspective of his staunchest, self-declared devotees, who would have turned on him the minute he said or did anything that didn’t accord with their version of who he was, and what he was about.

Many of the JPR folks are screaming ”betrayal!” because Bernie endorsed HRC – completely ignoring the fact that he’d said he would from day one. But they don’t want that Bernie. They want the Bernie they created in their own imaginations – the real man being incapable of ever living up to their expectations.

The first time President Sanders would have mentioned the word “compromise” in respect of negotiating with Republicans in order to get something done, he would have been labelled a traitor. The first time President Sanders admitted that despite his best efforts, things like single-payer and free college tuition would not be forthcoming, he would have been called a Judas Goat who had knowingly led the faithful to the slaughterhouse. The first time President Sanders encountered Dubya at a ceremonial event and acted as any president would – greeting a former president with a handshake and a smile – he would have been decried as a betrayer of everything his supporters believed he stood for.

As can be seen by reading JPR, some of Bernie’s adherents never wanted a President Sanders who would have acted the part – with the decorum and respectful attitude the role of POTUS calls for. They wanted a snarling attack dog who would spit in the face of anyone and everyone they despised. They wanted a man who would do their bidding without any thought of the consequences. They wanted a leader who would steadfastly refuse to give an inch – even if that inch was ultimately inconsequential, and the giving of which would lead to accomplishing the very goals they wanted to see achieved.

The election of a President Sanders would have spawned, in very short order, a flurry of posts on political websites entitled ”I didn’t vote for THIS!” He would have been maligned the minute he didn’t slam the Oval Office door in the face of a political foe. He would have been pilloried the minute he agreed to meet with a head-of-state considered to be an oppressor of their own people. He would have been called a sell-out the minute he negotiated with anyone his supporters designated as their enemy.

We will never know what a Bernie presidency would have looked like. But what we do know is that no matter how it played out, the truly rabid among his supporters would have found it wanting – and would have turned against him as soon as he started conducting himself as any holder of the office should.

Most of those who supported Bernie’s candidacy are, of course, reasonable people who are now supporting our nominee, HRC – in the same way reasonable people who supported Hillary would be standing with Bernie, had he won our party’s nomination.

Sad to say, there will always be those whose own version of Bernie Sanders is more “real” than the actual man, and who would never have been satisfied with anything less than their own skewed vision of the flawless saviour who would have righted all wrongs, ended all injustice, and brought about peace and prosperity the world over.

[betsuni]

155. +1

[auntpurl]

159. Great post.

In the end of any revolution, nobody passes the purity test.

[trumad]

163. Over the last several months---

you have been my favorite poster. You're like Prosense but with a more subtle flair.

[DisgustipatedinCA]

154. No. We haven't.

[laserhaas]

157. Nope..Pissed ..yes

Turned..

No

[obamanut2012]

161. Nope, not what I've read over there -- turned

[nolawarlock]

158. It's Romper Room meets Rubber Room over there.

With a dash of flat earth society thrown in for a little seasoning.