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portlander23

(2,078 posts)
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 01:18 PM Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders is winning some big victories over the Dem platform

Bernie Sanders is winning some big victories over the Dem platform
Greg Sargent
Washington Post

But the actual language of the latest draft has not yet been released, and it will be released as early as today. It will show a number of new provisions on Wall Street reform, infrastructure spending, and job creation that go beyond the victories that Sanders has already talked about. They suggest Sanders did far better out of this process thus far than has been previously thought. Many of these new provisions are things that Sanders has been fighting for for years.

Warren Gunnels, the chief policy adviser to the Sanders campaign, shared with me some additional details and principles the platform draft commits to:

1) Eliminating conflict of interest at the Federal Reserve by making sure that executives at financial institutions cannot serve on the board of regional Federal Reserve banks or handpick their members.

2) Banning golden parachutes for taking government jobs and cracking down on the revolving door between Wall Street and Washington.

3) Prohibiting Wall Street from picking and choosing which credit agency will rate their product.

4) Empowering the Postal Service to offer basic banking services, which makes such services available to more people throughout the country, including low-income people who lack access to checking accounts.

5) Ending the loophole that allows large profitable corporations to defer taxes on income stashed in offshore tax havens to avoid paying less taxes.

6) Using the revenue from ending that deferral loophole to rebuild infrastructure and create jobs.

To be sure, Sanders will continue to fight for more in coming weeks, such as a commitment to oppose any Congressional vote on the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade deal during this session. And we can’t be certain whether Sanders will endorse Clinton before the convention or if he is unsatisfied with the final platform product.


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Bernie Sanders is winning some big victories over the Dem platform (Original Post) portlander23 Jul 2016 OP
.... LexVegas Jul 2016 #1
You don't see these as benefits? Why? floriduck Jul 2016 #7
When has any President ever made a decision in office woolldog Jul 2016 #22
I'm still waiting on LexVegas' answer. But in response to your comment, let's just stop creating floriduck Jul 2016 #25
I thought Bernie was supposed to BE a Democrat Hortensis Jul 2016 #38
It's supposed to be a war, don't you remember? The revolutionists really like their war metaphors. randome Jul 2016 #39
It's true: The platform is a bullshitting vehicle to get a candidate elected. A "feel good" thing. TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #42
In the corporate party, yes AgingAmerican Jul 2016 #45
The IRON TRIANGLE are how parties work too - Lobbyist > Legislator > Bureaucrat (no public input)! TheBlackAdder Jul 2016 #46
That's the power of the delegates we won talking. Orsino Jul 2016 #2
That's the power of the Clinton campaign giving you concessions. SaschaHM Jul 2016 #6
No one gives away free stuff in polutics. Orsino Jul 2016 #8
We'll see how that organizing goes... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #12
Jesus Christ, that's a petty thing to say. n/t Orsino Jul 2016 #18
Should they have been concessions to begin with? floriduck Jul 2016 #9
Yes, they are concessions zenabby Jul 2016 #34
My point is the word concessions. If these were her ideas, she conceded nothing. floriduck Jul 2016 #35
I get that.. zenabby Jul 2016 #41
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #10
Yup, I'm super sore over the fact that... SaschaHM Jul 2016 #11
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #13
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #16
Oh look baseless accusations of sexism GeorgiaPeanuts Jul 2016 #17
Kick (nt) bigwillq Jul 2016 #3
Number 3, the credit agency conflict-of-interest issue Eric J in MN Jul 2016 #4
But, but .. someone on DU told me that Bernie is "irrelevant". 99th_Monkey Jul 2016 #5
B...b.....bu.....but Hillary supporters told me Bernie is irrelevant GeorgiaPeanuts Jul 2016 #14
Looking forward to seeing the nuts and bolts of #s 2 and 5. Those would be great if implemented. JudyM Jul 2016 #15
Dream on Politicalboi Jul 2016 #19
K&R bobthedrummer Jul 2016 #20
Except for a few issues, Bernie could easily win most of the platform battles at the convention andym Jul 2016 #21
There will be nothing in the platform that Hillary doesn't want there...nt SidDithers Jul 2016 #23
so, he's actually getting what he wants bigtree Jul 2016 #24
No. he's actually getting what Hillary wants. Jitter65 Jul 2016 #33
Sanders does not get credit for all progressive positions. Will you please stop. seabeyond Jul 2016 #26
+1000000000 Justice Jul 2016 #37
Considering Clinton is significantly to the right of her party's platform, who else to credit? chascarrillo Jul 2016 #43
No she is not. I get that is how Sanders and supporters have painted her. Clinton is in the top 15% seabeyond Jul 2016 #44
Platform is against the death penalty, for a $15 minimum wage. Both are positions to Clinton's left. chascarrillo Jul 2016 #47
When one doesn't get lobster cosmicone Jul 2016 #27
+1. I's like no one thought about those things until he did. Please lunamagica Jul 2016 #28
Yeah. Bernie's ideas. Bernie's vision. (but not his votes) LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #30
The non-binding consensus document known as the 2016 Democratic Platform... LuvLoogie Jul 2016 #29
Post removed Post removed Jul 2016 #31
Yep! bravenak Jul 2016 #32
So, that is a war then... Onward Christian soldiers... robbedvoter Jul 2016 #36
All excellent ideas. n/t DirkGently Jul 2016 #40
 

woolldog

(8,791 posts)
22. When has any President ever made a decision in office
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 03:24 PM
Jul 2016

based on what the platform said. It is meaningless mental masturbation.

 

floriduck

(2,262 posts)
25. I'm still waiting on LexVegas' answer. But in response to your comment, let's just stop creating
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 03:50 PM
Jul 2016

platforms. Then no one will criticize the items nor the lack of enactment later. Besides, someone is paying for these people to gather and work on it in multiple events and locations. Save the money and run an extra tv ad or two.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. I thought Bernie was supposed to BE a Democrat
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 04:29 AM
Jul 2016

and to have Democratic delegates working on the platform committee with other Democrats.

But, no, Portlander? This is a victory OVER the Democrats?

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
39. It's supposed to be a war, don't you remember? The revolutionists really like their war metaphors.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 06:20 AM
Jul 2016

[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

TheBlackAdder

(28,261 posts)
46. The IRON TRIANGLE are how parties work too - Lobbyist > Legislator > Bureaucrat (no public input)!
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jul 2016




In the United States, power is exercised in the Congress, and particularly in congressional committees and subcommittees. By aligning itself with selected constituencies, an agency may be able to affect policy outcomes directly in these committees and subcommittees. This is where an iron triangle may manifest itself. The picture above displays the concept.

At one corner of the triangle are interest groups (constituencies). These are the powerful interest's groups that influence Congressional votes in their favor and can sufficiently influence the re-election of a member of Congress in return for supporting their programs. At another corner sit members of Congress who also seek to align themselves with a constituency for political and electoral support. These congressional members support legislation that advances the interest group's agenda. Occupying the third corner of the triangle are bureaucrats, who are often pressured by the same powerful interest groups their agency is designated to regulate. The result is a three-way, stable alliance that is sometimes called a sub-government because of its durability, impregnability, and power to determine policy.

An iron triangle can result in the passing of very narrow, pork-barrel policies that benefit a small segment of the population. The interests of the agency's constituency (the interest groups) are met, while the needs of consumers (which may be the general public) are passed over. That public administration may result in benefiting a small segment of the public in this way may be viewed as problematic for the popular concept of democracy if the general welfare of all citizens is sacrificed for very specific interests. This is especially so if the legislation passed neglects or reverses the original purpose for which the agency was established. Some maintain that such arrangements are consonant with (and are natural outgrowths of) the democratic process, since they frequently involve a majority block of voters implementing their will through their representatives in government.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle_%28US_politics%29


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SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
12. We'll see how that organizing goes...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jul 2016

when the Clinton campaign doesn't give the go ahead on some things.

zenabby

(364 posts)
34. Yes, they are concessions
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:05 PM
Jul 2016

I am actually quite tired of the righteousness here. Hillary is not choosing her position because she is afraid or not bold enough to chose Bernie's positions. She has thought them through and feels that is a better solution. The people who voted for her did not vote for her because they felt Bernie's ideas were the best but Hillary would do or because they would settle for a realistic version. They believe in Hillary's ideas. The demographic supporting Bernie and Hillary are different. Unlike 20 year olds, Hillary's supporters don't go to rallies and raise their voices. That does not mean our voices are any lower. I personally disagree with many of Bernie's ideas. My priorities based on my personal life does not align with Bernie's priorities. So, yes, they are concessions. There is no one right answer here. We are all entitled to our opinions, and the winner sets the tone/rules. The loser gets the concessions.

zenabby

(364 posts)
41. I get that..
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:04 PM
Jul 2016

and I am saying these are not her ideas. She supports $15 however, she does not think it should be $15 all over at USA at the same time. There is a cost of living difference and rural Kansas is not same as Manhattan. She is not for "free tuition", she is for "affordable tuition". So if they are all the same ideas, what's even there for Bernie to fight for? Clearly there is a difference and any time she accepts something that is not her core idea, it is a concession.

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SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
11. Yup, I'm super sore over the fact that...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jul 2016

Bernie Sanders will never be a nominee for president in his lifetime.

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Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
4. Number 3, the credit agency conflict-of-interest issue
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 01:43 PM
Jul 2016

...was considered for Dodd-Frank.

Al Franken got eliminating the conflict-of-interest passed in the US Senate. Barney Frank dropped that amendment in conference.

 

99th_Monkey

(19,326 posts)
5. But, but .. someone on DU told me that Bernie is "irrelevant".
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jul 2016

Me thinks that might that be some wishful thinking.

 

Politicalboi

(15,189 posts)
19. Dream on
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 02:37 PM
Jul 2016

They may "say" they'll do all this stuff, but the goal is your vote for now. We've been through this before. Give'em Hell Bernie and good luck, but it will never happen now.

andym

(5,447 posts)
21. Except for a few issues, Bernie could easily win most of the platform battles at the convention
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jul 2016

Why? Assuming Sanders supporters will back his positions, then the superdelegates include a few hundred progressive Democrats who do want things like single payer and high minimum wage . Probably some of the Clinton delegates will break ranks too.
Where he won't win: Israel for one.

bigtree

(86,020 posts)
24. so, he's actually getting what he wants
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jul 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 1, 2016, 09:02 PM - Edit history (1)

...so the endless drama from Sanders is all bullshit.

Did anyone bother to tell him that convention platforms have never been used by any president for ANYTHING?

Al Giordano ?@AlGiordano 8h8 hours ago
The party platform is non-binding on anyone. It's never been worth more than the paper it's printed on. Strange ship to go down with.

 

seabeyond

(110,159 posts)
44. No she is not. I get that is how Sanders and supporters have painted her. Clinton is in the top 15%
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jul 2016

most liberal in congress.

chascarrillo

(3,897 posts)
47. Platform is against the death penalty, for a $15 minimum wage. Both are positions to Clinton's left.
Sat Jul 2, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jul 2016

So, your position is that Clinton is responsible for platform positions that she is against? How on earth does that work???

LuvLoogie

(7,076 posts)
29. The non-binding consensus document known as the 2016 Democratic Platform...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jul 2016

is not a Constitutional Convention. It's not even a framework for legislation. Nor is it a decree or a directive.

It's like a logo. Bernie wants to add a big middle finger front and center. Democrats want a handshake. Bernie is--"Fine, as long as my hand gets to show an extended middle finger."


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