2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy progressives should rescue the TPP trade deal
Not your 20th Century trade deal.Source: The Conversation, Emily J. Blanchard, Associate Professor, Dartmouth College
Emily J. Blanchard does not work for, consult, own shares in or receive funding from any company or organization that would benefit from this article, and has disclosed no relevant affiliations beyond the academic appointment above.
The TPPs new rules would achieve a high-water mark in global efforts to abolish child labor and gender discrimination, protect collective bargaining worldwide, curb trade in endangered species and conserve critical marine resources. Even the much lambasted investor-state provisions would modestly walk back existing rules, in favor of national governments over foreign firms.
Much more at: http://theconversation.com/why-progressives-should-rescue-the-tpp-trade-deal-60304
w4rma
(31,700 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)is a bar to any argument."
swhisper1
(851 posts)written deals.
think
(11,641 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)because I kept an open mind.
No Democratic candidate can go wrong opposing TPP - not if one single constituent can lose a job - but it is not about that one job anymore!
And at its core, the TPP is about applying a consistent set of standards to global supply chains, rules that reflect American and progressive values.
think
(11,641 posts)And you call that progress...
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Including Richard Trumka, AFL-CIO and many member organizations.
https://ustr.gov/about-us/advisory-committees/labor-advisory-committee-lac
They do not - like many other Democrats - support the final result.
They were not "shut out and ignored."
okasha
(11,573 posts)think
(11,641 posts)~Snip~
The TPP, like many of the failed trade agreements that came before it, will cover issues including health, food safety, conservation and environmental protections, Wall Street regulations, labor rights, and a whole host of other issues that, under our system of government, would have to be debated publicly in Congress before becoming law. But because the U.S. government treats trade deals differently than all other policiesit is allowed to negotiate rules that affect our lives in these areas behind closed doors. This is undemocratic.
Ive heard labor has a seat at the table and gets to see the TPP texts. Is this true?
No. Under U.S. law, there are several trade advisersprivate citizens appointed by the Presidentwho advise on trade policies. Of these advisers, the vast majority (85% according to the Washington Post) represent businesses. About 5% of the advisers represent labor. The other 10% represent local and state government officials, academics, think tanks and non-governmental organizations. Labor advisers are allowed to review and advise on draft U.S. proposalsadvice that the United States Trade Representative (USTR) can freely ignore. But we are locked out of the negotiating room and cannot see the actual negotiating texts, which combine the proposals from all 12 countries and evolve over time as negotiations progress. Nor can we share what we learn with members without violating national security laws.
Ive heard USTR say the AFL-CIO is satisfied with the level of transparency in the TPP negotiations. Is this true?
No. We have been pushing not just for more transparency, but for a more democratic and participatory process since the beginning. The USTR has quoted selectively from AFL-CIO testimony about the TPP provided to Congress three years ago, when the TPP was still taking shape. At that time, we were very hopeful that our ideas for a more progressive trade agenda would be adopted into the TPP. Here is the entire quote in context:
Read more:
http://www.aflcio.org/Issues/Trade/Fast-Track-Legislation/Labor-s-So-Called-Seat-at-the-Table-at-TPP-Negotiations
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)"Labor" is the one Democratic faction most opposed to trade deals! "Labor" is the basic core constituency of many Democratic candidates and office holders
If one single job, if one single factory closing, if one single operation is moved to another country - and it can be perceived to be the result of a 'trade deal' - labor leadership had better not be approving these deals!
What don't they like? It was never set up for them to like - they say!
Remember - TPP is a negotiation among 12 sovereign nations - not just the US and labor.
However, this: "TPP appears to at least nominally accomplish a fair number of objectives"!
https://ustr.gov/sites/default/files/Labor-Advisory-Committee-for-Trade-Negotiations-and-Trade-Policy.pdf
think
(11,641 posts)February 20, 2014
by Lee Fang
Officials tapped by the Obama administration to lead the Trans-Pacific Partnership trade negotiations have received multimillion dollar bonuses from CitiGroup and Bank of America, financial disclosures obtained by Republic Report show.
Stefan Selig, a Bank of America investment banker nominated to become the undersecretary for international trade at the Department of Commerce, received more than $9 million in bonus pay as he was nominated to join the administration in November. The bonus pay came in addition to the $5.1 million in incentive pay awarded to Selig last year.
Michael Froman, the current US Trade Representative, received over $4 million as part of multiple exit payments when he left CitiGroup to join the Obama administration. Froman told Senate Finance Committee members last summer that he donated approximately 75 percent of the $2.25 million bonus he received for his work in 2008 to charity. CitiGroup also gave Froman a $2 million payment in connection to his holdings in two investment funds, which was awarded in recognition of [Fromans] service to Citi in various capacities since 1999.
Read more:
http://billmoyers.com/2014/02/20/obama-admins-tpp-trade-officials-received-hefty-bonuses-from-big-banks/
BY DAVID DAYEN - February 4, 2015
Citigroup is one of three Wall Street banks attempting to keep hidden their practice of paying executives multimillion-dollar awards for entering government service. In letters delivered to the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) over the last month, Citi, Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley seek exemption from a shareholder proposal, filed by the AFL-CIO labor coalition, which would force them to identify all executives eligible for these financial rewards, and the specific dollar amounts at stake. Critics argue these golden parachutes ensure more financial insiders in policy positions and favorable treatment toward Wall Street.
As shareholders of these banks, we want to know how much money we have promised to give away to senior executives if they take government jobs, said AFL-CIO President Richard Trumka in a statement. Its a simple question, but the banks dont want to answer it. What are they trying to hide?
Read more:
https://newrepublic.com/article/120967/wall-street-pays-bankers-work-government-and-wants-it-secret
http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/05/27/emails-show-tpp-collusion-between-big-banks-obama-administration
think
(11,641 posts)Union leaders are being murdered in other countries and there is no protection
By Michael McAuliff - 04/22/2015 07:32 am ET | Updated Apr 22, 2015
WASHINGTON Defenders of the White House push for sweeping trade deals argue they include tough enforcement of labor standards. But a top union leader scoffed at such claims Tuesday, revealing that administration officials have said privately that they dont consider even the killings of labor organizers to be violations of those pacts.
Richard Trumka, the president of the AFL-CIO, testified to that claim at a Senate Finance Committee hearing on legislation to grant President Barack Obama so-called fast-track authority to cut at least two new enormous trade agreements with Pacific Rim nations and the European Union. It appears to be the first time anyone has revealed such a stance on the part of a U.S. government that has been touting its efforts to improve wages and working conditions among its trading partners, relying in part on trade agreements.
~Snip~
To substantiate our case we documented five or six murders of Guatemalan trade unionists that the government had failed to effectively investigate or prosecute, Lee said. The USTR told us that the murders of trade unionists or violence against trade unionists was not a violation of the labor chapter because it was a rule of law problem.
We certainly made the argument that if a worker is murdered in the course of trying to exercise a legal right to freedom of association or to organize and bargain collectively, then the government is failing to effectively enforce its laws, and the USTR disagreed with that interpretation, Lee said. If there is a climate of terror against trade unionists who effectively are prevented from exercising their rights under the law, then our government ought to take this at least as seriously as a failure to send a labor inspector to a factory.
Read more:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/04/22/fast-track-trade_n_7113412.html
http://www.aflcio.org/Blog/Global-Action/Despite-Labor-Action-Plan-Colombian-Unionists-Still-Targeted-for-Death
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)TDale313
(7,820 posts)It's a terrible bill that lobbiests wrote and labor and the public were keep as uninformed as possible for as long as possible. No one supporting this has any claim to the title progressive or liberal. And yeah- that includes Obama and his administration. No more of these shitty trade deals that screw over the poor and middle classes and push the wealth up-up-up.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)And is far better than nafta. If you dont want tpp then youre stuck with nafta.
think
(11,641 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Obama promised he would redress critical issues that came out of NAFTA.
Is TPP another NAFTA?
Answer:
No. President Obama has been clear that past trade deals havent always lived up to the hype. Thats why TPP learns from the mistakes of the past and renegotiates NAFTA, placing fully enforceable labor and environmental standards at the core of the agreement including for Canada and Mexico.
When NAFTA was negotiated over 20 years ago, labor and environmental provisions werent included in NAFTA, but were part of side agreements without recourse to normal NAFTA trade sanctions.
TPP changes that.
https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership-eddc8d87ac73#.m2tjvhk7i
ymetca
(1,182 posts)..is that those worker protections aren't enforceable. There is no mechanism to do so that is not subordinate to corporations loss of potential profits mechanism. That is the problem.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)Exilednight
(9,359 posts)JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)katsy
(4,246 posts)for perceived future lost profits when communities enact environmental or health & safety regulations?
It is agreed that the tpp wont stop job displacement. So why should taxpayers risk getting sued by corporations for perceived lost profits?
Look at these gdp poor countries who tried putting warning labels on cigarette packs. They're trying to protect the health of their citizenry & tobacco companies are suing them back to the stone age. Are you kidding me?
Tobacco companies can't do that here... But how long before some genius corporation figures that maybe community wifi is cutting into their profits and sues? What happens if florida grows a fucking progressive brain & decided oil rigs shouldn't operate off their shores because of spills? Taxpayers can get sued.
So no. No one should be guaranteed a profit from communities that want to protect the health and environment of their citizens.
Corporations don't have the right to use taxpayers as a personal atm.
They can't peddle their wares... Let them die off. It's like corps want to suck at the govt's teat forever.
RAFisher
(466 posts)Is Pfizer losing money or something?
Arizona Roadrunner
(168 posts)As a person who has served on a local governments Board of Directors, I am VERY concerned about the TPP ISDS court process with results being the surrendering of governmental sovereignty to corporate interests, foreign and domestic.
Basically due to secretive deliberations, this judicial process is designed to favor corporate over governmental concerns and interests. This agreement should not allow corporations to use this judicial process, but should demand they use our existing judicial process as it relates to governmental entities. How many state and local governments can afford to be involved in such a process? Just by the threat of suits through ISDS, a climate where governmental units cave in will be created. Look at what has happened under NAFTA and the WTO as it relates to our right to know where our food comes from. Look at how a Canadian corporation is using NAFTA to sue the U.S. on the Keystone project.
This will mean that political topics such as minimum wage increases and housing and zoning laws may be pre-empted by just the threat of a suit through the ISDS process. Look at what happened with Egypt when a corporation tried to use a process analogous to the ISDS to prevent Egypt from raising their minimum wage laws. (Veolia v. Egypt)
Therefore, I recommend, in the national interest, this agreement not be approved. When people find out how this can be used to prevent them from finding out things such as where products are made, etc., there will be charges of treason and the political process will never recover the trust of the American citizens.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)The TPP is an attempt to address this modern dilemma, using free trade with the U.S. and other major markets as an incentive for signatory nations to follow a basic global code of conduct. Crucially, the TPPs rules would be enforced through a dispute settlement panel that aspires to be transparent and expeditious.
This deep agreement approach is in sharp contrast to the status quo of shallow trade agreements, which effectively take a pass on addressing difficult but vital environmental and labor issues, consumer protections and transparency measures that allow small business to compete in world markets. Deep agreements are also increasingly important for firm success and thus the overall health of communities and workers as global supply chains reshape the contours of international commerce in the 21st century.
JaneyVee
(19,877 posts)ISDS courts have protections in place, no one can lose sovereignty, and governments win nearly every case, and even ones they lose end up in such miniscule payouts that it actually discourages bringing expensive cases against governments.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)Progressives fail to realize, you cannot be opposed to both the TPP and to war.
Without trade agreements with massive numbers of parties, more wars are inevitable.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)If we were smart, we'd help middle eastern countries economically so that people have better jobs.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)with the TPP being yet more of the left's head in the sand thinking.
Trade absolutely requires some sort of agreement between parties, and the more agreement and the more parties agreeing, the better it tends to be. There were times when we went to war over trade routes, would that be preferable?
A perfect agreement? Of course not, but it is workable, and far better than none.
MohRokTah
(15,429 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)The first, of course, is to further the damage that NAFTA did to workers all over the world as open markets accelerate the "race to the bottom" of wages. Corporations and the 1% before people.
The second, largely unspoken, is to marginalize China and counter Chinese influence in the world. THAT is the real reason that China is not a part of the TRANS PACIFIC deal. The only major country bordering the Pacific that is not part of the deal. And this issue of ignoring and marginalizing China is ignored in all of these articles about the supposed benefits of the TPP.
This deal is Obama's way of ensuring continued US military and financial dominance in world affairs and certainly a nice reward for the Wall Street industries that financed his election campaign.
ibegurpard
(16,685 posts)That supercede nation-state laws and regulations.
Nope. Veto.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)http://www.doctorswithoutborders.org/article/statement-msf-conclusion-tpp-negotiations-atlanta
Poor people won't be able to buy medicine under the TPP's patent rules. That essay by Emily J. Blanchard doesn't directly address this.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Will the TPP limit accessibility to affordable, life-saving medicines?
Answer
No. To the contrary, TPP helps improve access to medicines for developing countries, while also promoting strong intellectual property protection that provides incentives for innovation that will deliver life-saving cures for the next generation.
TPP strikes a balance that helps make life-saving medicines more widely available, while also providing incentives for innovation of tomorrows new medicines.
TPP eliminates tariffs on medicines and medical devices, helping lower costs for hospitals, clinics, aid organizations, and consumers. For example, tariffs on life-saving medicines like amoxicillin, penicillin, and anti-malarial medicines will be eliminated, reducing the cost to access these drugs for residents of lower-income TPP countries.
For the first time in any trade agreement, TPP requires trading partners to tighten enforcement on counterfeit drugs that threaten consumer health and safety. TPP strengthens health and medicine supply systems throughout the region by promoting government transparency and due process standards based on those found here in the U.S.
https://medium.com/the-trans-pacific-partnership/frequently-asked-questions-on-the-trans-pacific-partnership-eddc8d87ac73#.8jqldzpef
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...which poor people in the developing world can't afford either way.
Drugs currently made in their own countries which they can afford will be banned as "counterfeit."
ThePhilosopher04
(1,732 posts)It's a deal breaker for me.
Jitter65
(3,089 posts)NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Now all of a sudden it seems to be in vogue. Go figure.
fun n serious
(4,451 posts)but.. no one seemed interested. Bernie is wrong about TPP.
JSup
(740 posts)...sounds like a good way to elect Trump.
Even if it were a great deal, of which I am skeptical, no one would ever believe it were. It is now toxic, regardless of what it is.