Here's something I never thought I'd say.

[Joe the Revelator]

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As of right now. This second. As we speak. I am planning on voting for Hillary Clinton.

She may do something to piss me off over the next few months, and I reserve the right to change my mind again, but the events that happened last night/today, and Trump's reaction to them has finally (?) made me completely understand that he cannot be the person in charge.

We need adults in the Whitehouse. If these are our choices this year, and make no mistake, I think we (dems) had some better options we could have put on the table, but if this is it, I'm going to have to vote for the adult with the best chance of winning.

I can't believe it either.

Edit: While I seriously appreciate it, no thanks for 'seeing the light' is needed. Seriously. It took 50 deaths and a terrible tweet to put things into perspective for me. That sucks all around. Fuck Trump. Fuck the GOP. Fuck Terrorism. Fuck Radical Anything. Except for Radical Love. Radical Love would be great.

[Joe the Revelator]

1. And before any of my Bernie holdout friends jump on me...

I realize this is proof of a weak backbone. You guys do you, and vote your conscious. Whatever it is.

[moonscape]

6. It takes strength to be flexible, to

adapt, consider, reflect in the face of changing circumstances. When I'm able to do this, I realize maybe I'm not a calcified old coot after all ...

[NWCorona]

18. You shouldn't worry about what anyone says about who you vote for.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

59. No doubt... wish everyone felt that way.

[democrattotheend]

48. I'm a Bernie supporter, and I salute you

In the interest of full disclosure I have never been Bernie or Bust, so I don't know if I qualify as a "holdout." But I for one am glad to see you change your mind about voting for Hillary. I think that the Bernie or Bust mentality not only hurts the country, but it also hurts Bernie and the things he believes in.

I am mostly where you are - I plan to vote for Hillary but reserve the right to change my mind if she really pisses me off. But I live in a solidly blue state where my vote doesn't matter. If I lived in a swing state she would have to do something that made me think she was worse than Trump before I'd consider not voting for her.

[lancer78]

66. I would like to say one thing

You say that your vote doesn't matter because you live in a blue state, but your vote might matter to that mid-20's/early 30's progressive running for his first local seat. No matter what, your vote matters to someone.

[democrattotheend]

67. Of course. I meant my vote for president doesn't matter

I never said I was considering not voting at all. Whether I vote for Hillary or not (and I almost definitely will), I will vote for someone for president and I will vote for the down-ballot races, except the judges. I usually do not vote for judges because I do not believe judges should be elected. But I go back and forth on whether I should vote in those elections anyway.

[Lizzie Poppet]

60. Jump on? Nah.

Yes, I think you're making a terrible mistake. But it's your mistake to make...and none of my affair when it comes right down to it.

Me? Never Hillary. Not. Ever.

[VulgarPoet]

68. While I think it's a mistake, I can't fault you for it.

I can never see these people as my allies. It's like they expect the movement as a whole to forget what was said to them, forget what they were called, and forgive those mewling curs for "things said in the heat of the primary".

Not me.

[Joe the Revelator]

3. I agree- you have to do what you have to do

Until today, I didn't think that Trump's 4 years could really kill the country. Now i'm not so sure.

[Live and Learn]

27. What makes you think Hillary's won't? And that was another terrible hide. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

61. No kidding. Idiotic hide.

Camp Weathervane cultists getting their jury system abuse in while they still can.

A couple days and I'm out of here...

[Live and Learn]

63. Yep, the new JPR is looking real good. nt

[Lizzie Poppet]

64. Innit, though?

I will have a few months to decide if I intend to return to Third Way Underground at all (and not just when the "no dissing Princess Weathervane" rules are done). I suspect most of whatever population remains won't miss me. =P

[Live and Learn]

65. I suspect it will be quite similiar to other sites I refuse to visit.

I don't think I will have any issues in common with the leftovers.

[nolabear]

4. Thank you. We need good people. And we ARE good people.

At the moment I'm aching for reconciliation not only because I respect Bernie's ideas and hope they'll folded into the Democratic platform and Clinton administration, but because I can't stand much more hate, anywhere, anytime.

[Joe the Revelator]

8. I honestly wanted to hold out longer, but...

today was too much. Everything just seems petty right now. Like you said, the hate needs to end. Whatever needs to be done to further that, even a half-measure, its better than a full step back.

[nolabear]

10. I understand. And I agree.

[runaway hero]

5. Welcome Aboard.

[runaway hero]

7. well...

https://twitter.com/realdonaldtrump/status/742034549232766976

Appreciate the congrats for being right on radical Islamic terrorism, I don't want congrats, I want toughness & vigilance. We must be smart!


More

[Joe the Revelator]

9. That was it for me.

[runaway hero]

11. Not even his worst

But welcome aboard, still.

[Joe the Revelator]

17. It's the first 'major crisis' that he needed to respond to

as the nominee. And that tweet was just absurdly self centered and childish. Maybe the heat of the primaries blinded me, I honestly wasn't paying a ton of attention to him until recently.

But that was sick.

[runaway hero]

21. I can't defend it

still, he's just as mad as you and everyone else is. People like him because he's a heart on the sleeve guy.

[Joe the Revelator]

24. Yeah, and there's a reason you and I probably shouldn't be President :)

Emotions are good, but you can't be the boss like that.

[runaway hero]

30. You get it

Trump is like us. That's why he's still in it.

[Dark n Stormy Knight]

31. I really doubt that he is just as mad as many of us. His anger is tempered by that fact

that he is happy to have been supposedly "proven right."

And I doubt very much he really, honestly feels for the people killed and the grief their families and friends are suffering. He's more mad that "the bad guys" did something bad. There's a monumental difference.

Just like with 9/11. All these RWers who despised New York City--meaning all those "not real American" people who live there (check Sarah Palin's spewings for this attitude, if you can stomach it)--were not heartbroken that those people died. More indignant that the evil foreigners killed Americans.

Again, the difference is vital.

[runaway hero]

32. Of course

But so many people in this country just flat out dislike Muslims. More then hate trump. It will be interesting to see the thin line the left walks here.

[Joe the Revelator]

13. Seriously, Twitter-diplomacy is fucking frightening

[nolabear]

15. Oh, sweet Jesus...

I can't...I just can't...

[Florencenj2point0]

12. Welcome

I am sorry it took this to turn you around. But whatever it takes I am glad to have you on board. In 2008 I was a Gore supporter until he made it very clear he would NOT run. Then I was searching for a candidate and as I started to defend Hillary supporters from vile attacks on dkos (I don't even remember by user name, I was banned so fast), I researched her and quickly became her most passionate supporter.
I hope as you get to know her better you will feel better about her. It took me a long time, years, to warm up to Obama. But now I quit love the man. The only real objection I have is to his education policy and his Education director.

[Joe the Revelator]

14. Thanks, and seriously, I don't need any thanks or welcomes. No matter the arguments, we're all still

the only sane wing of mainstream politics. I'm just saying we (the royal we) need to do whatever it takes to protect the Whitehouse from children being in charge.

[Armstead]

16. I never had that internal conflict -- Between Clinton and Trump, I'll take Clinton any day -- But...

...We could have done much better as a choice, and it breaks my heart that we're once again stuck between the proverbial rock and a hard place.

[Joe the Revelator]

19. I agree...like I said upthread...

After last night/this morning, I'm willing to take the half measure to protect the bigger picture. That man can not be in charge of a Country.

[ruggerson]

20. a very heartfelt thank you

i wish it was under better circumstances

[Joe the Revelator]

22. No thanks needed, and I do as well. I honestly

didn't expect to make this post this summer at the very least. My plan was to see what she actually did as the nominee, but this can't go on. Shit is too real.

[MaggieD]

23. 90% of Bernie supporters will do the same

The rest wouldn't have ever voted for the Dem candidate anyway.

[PowerToThePeople]

33. ^ this is a lie.

[MaggieD]

35. No, it's just a difference of opinion

[PowerToThePeople]

36. No, it is a false statement

The definition of a lie.

[MaggieD]

38. Okey dokey

[Lizzie Poppet]

62. I disagree.

It's not a lie if the person saying it genuinely believes it to be true. It may be wrong...but it can't be a lie. Simply being a false statement doesn't, in and of itself, fulfill the definition of "lie." The statement has to be made despite the knowledge that it is false.

Moreover, these are predictions. As such, they are propositions with no demonstrable truth-state. It's impossible for such statements to be lies.

[TwilightZone]

39. Agreed. Polls shows 70-80% are already on board.

The number will increase when Sanders concedes and endorses Clinton.

It will climb further as the rest have some time to contemplate President Donald Trump.

It no doubt went up today.

[Loudestlib]

51. Might even be as high as 70-120%

[TwilightZone]

55. "71 percent of Sanders backers choose Clinton over Trump"

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/08/will-bernie-sanders-supporters-rally-behind-hillary-clinton-now-heres-what-we-know/

There are others. Perhaps if you took ten seconds out of your busy life posting nonsense, you could find some.

[Tarc]

25. Beer!

[Dems to Win]

26. Hillary is very good friends with the Saudis who export Wahhabism

If you think the adult response to this shooting is to continue to allow Saudis to fund Wahhabi mosques in our country and send Wahhabi clerics to the US to preach 'Kill the Infidel! Kill The Gays!', as Hillary is certain to do, then by all means vote for Clinton.

[Joe the Revelator]

28. As compared to what? Give me a better dem to vote for in the GE, and I'll gladly do it.

But giving me the choice between Trump and Hillary is really no choice anymore. At worst Hillary keeps current policies in place and we try again to move left in 8 years.

With Trump...who the fuck knows what he does? Bomb the shit out of Dearborn?

[Dems to Win]

34. I agree, Trump vs. Hillary is no choice at all

I have no good answers.

But today, of all days, I would not be making the decision to vote for the woman whose Foundation takes millions from Saudi royalty. just mho.

[Joe the Revelator]

37. I understand where you are coming from. Please trust that I do...

...I'm not even saying that I'm not making an emotional decision right now, but I do believe it's one that has to be made, at least for me.


Full disclosure: I was flirting heavily with voting for Gary Johnson in protest, mainly because his ideas on the drug war and mine line up quite nicely. I was going to poor my heart into THAT issue to at least have some skin in the game this GE. But I live in a swing state, and this just made it clear that I can't do that. Not now.

Again, emotional or not, I think its the right choice for me. I can't tell or advise anyone else as to what to do with their vote.

[Dems to Win]

45. I respect your decision.

Congrats on having a vote that matters. I'm in a deep blue state myself, which of course has its advantages, too.

[missingthebigdog]

29. Thank you.

[ecstatic]

40. My SO came to that conclusion this week as well, after Gov. Perdue's

disgusting "prayer" for Pres. Obama's death. As the GOP continues to show their true colors, hopefully more people will understand how unhinged, hateful, and dangerous they've become.

[obamanut2012]

41. What happened in Orlando was horrific

And it sucks we need terrible things to bring us together. That wasn't directed at you -- it's what tragedies do, bring us together.

[tallahasseedem]

42. It's a tough day...

in America.

I don't like having two flawed candidates where it comes down to having to vote against the other party, but Trump is just too crazy.

Radical Love Joe...

[wyldwolf]

43. But we knew you'd DO IT, whether or not you'd actually say it.

[Joe the Revelator]

44. heh

[bravenak]

46. Yeah, Trump is a disgusting pig

[Gothmog]

47. I will support the Democratic Nominee no matter what

Trump makes this very easy

[Joe the Revelator]

49. It's like have a cheat code in a video game.nt

[Pastiche423]

50. Bye

[Thinkingabout]

52. The thought of a runaway train wreck Donald Trump even gettingv as far as he has to becoming

President should scare the hell out of everyone. He is a loose cannon without direction. Never could I support him. For nextv few months if will be about defeating Trump and electing Hillary as our next president.

[Haveadream]

69. +1000

[zappaman]

53. FUCK TRUMP should be the mantra of any sane person.

[obamanut2012]

58. +1

[Lance Bass esquire]

54. Right now Ronald Mcfucking Donald

With the hamburgler as VP would be better than Trump.

[TDale313]

56. It's been a heartbreaking day

We Bernie supporters need to support each other whatever we decide to do in Nov.

I know this probably wasn't easy.

[Mr Maru]

57. Radical thanks.

Hopefully she'll win you over with time but either way, thank you.