2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumWhy is the term 'race-baiting'
used here by self-described 'progressives' against fellow liberals who discuss civil rights or demographics of voters in the democratic primaries?
Used in this manner, it's an incorrect historical use of the term. It's also an exhibition of ignorance and racist behavior.
That's my opinion.
What's yours?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/race%E2%80%93baiting
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)by self-described 'progressives' against other liberals.
Where I've seen it most often is by self-described Sanders supporters (some of the more vehement ones) against self-described Clinton supporters who merely raise issues regarding the demographics of Clinton voters.
I think it's an offensive and cheap shot, when used as a pejorative against people of color or those who wish to discuss issues of race in the democratic primaries.
To me, it just a pathetic attempt by white self-described 'progressives' to hide or mask their own defensiveness about the strength and diversity of Clinton's coalition. And it makes them look like the furthest thing from 'progressive' if one's definition of progressive includes an understanding of the history of the use of that term and how it has been used historically.
As you say, it's been used plenty here. To me it's like saying plenty of times 'Oh, you're racist against white people!' That's what tea partiers say, plenty. Not liberals.
Here's an article that describes the historic use of the term, and how it's been coopted by the racist right wing:
http://fusion.net/story/155681/if-youre-confused-about-what-race-baiting-is-heres-a-bit-of-context/
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)supporters. Should it be, no but it is.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Clinton supporter here use the term 'race-baiting' against a self-described Sanders supporter.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I get it now, you just don't want us to call the race baiting , race baiting, right?
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)inaccurate use of the term. It goes beyond a mere dictionary definition. And that it's appallingly ignorant of history. Please read my post above, in which I replied to you and also kindly gave you an article that describes the historical ramifications of the term 'race-baiting' and how it is being misused today by the right wing (and, I submit, by some self-described 'progressives').
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)here by white people, against black people or people who raise issues involving race?
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)I sure don't.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Funny how that is a thing, though.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)and that it impacts their voting habits, just like everybody else's race does.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)At many points in the primary they supported him by a greater margin than black voters, and consistently more than hispanics.
In the general, Obama lost the white vote by a decent margin.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Are you trying to take a shit on white liberals, or white people in general? 'Cause you started with the former, and when that got scuttled, you seem to have decided to drop trou for the latter.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That didn't even remotely make sense.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)makes many white liberals think they don't even have a race. It's so ingrained as the dominant culture that it's easy to take for granted.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)intellectually honest.
For the most part, I think that has been how it has been used.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I go further than that, but I appreciate hearing from others and their views.
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)But man, I have got to tell you this, I was standing in line to enrol my daughter at primary school and the enroller looked right past me to address the person after me. I asked her, am next in line, did you not see me. Racism exists in Canada but it is very intransparent.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)when I've visited Canada too. Parts of the USA can be quite different from one another as well. For example, college towns, very liberal cities, urban versus rural areas, etc.
Oh, and here's an article on it that contains both the dictionary definition and more historical context:
http://fusion.net/story/155681/if-youre-confused-about-what-race-baiting-is-heres-a-bit-of-context/
akbacchus_BC
(5,704 posts)Expo really put BC on the map. Believe me when I tell you that some people in Toronto did not realise BC existed and how nice the weather it, it rains a lot though!
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Essentially it's a form of trolling that uses accusations or insinuations of racism as a primary component.
Contrast to racist trolling, which uses assertions against a race as the main part of the trolling.
Note that the two aren't mutually exclusive - "Race X is all garbage and if you don't agree you clearly hate Race Y." This is a primary argument in many posts in the I/P forum, for example.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It is meant to troll the DUers reading the topic.
For instance, today I read multiple posts suggesting that "Hillary is fighting two white men right now" and therefore needs all the support she can get. This is race-baiting, IMO, as it is irrelevant to the primary because our other candidates (Bernie/O'Malley) both strongly support minority rights despite being white men. Unless the claim is that it is impossible for white men to be fierce advocates for minorities, in which case that is just plain old bigotry.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)Not to mention of course that Clinton is white too. Not that Sanders is Jewish, a class of people historically discriminated against.
Live and Learn
(12,769 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Am I blind or is Clinton whiter than most brands of sliced bread? And isn't Sanders a white minority?
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)It's fairly bizarre
The most annoying race baiting recurring topic on DU is that white liberals are somehow racist because they vote for a candidate that many minorities did not vote for. Or that the level of support of a candidate among a minority group indicates how dedicated he or she is to their causes. There is a lot of nastiness I see these days.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Sanders is a racist for proposing public tuition at public universities. Why? How? What?
Yes, this was a logic pretzel brought to us by a poster who I will not name, but who was made famous by her antisemtiic posts on frontpagemag. Anyway, on to the logic.
You see, the core of the thesis that Sanders is a racist for proposing free college tuition is that not all Historical Black universities are public universities. Some of them - the ivy leagues, the for-profit schools, the seminaries - would ineed be left out of Sanders' tuition proposal. So that must mean Sanders is an evil racist, plotting against the institution of HBU's.
Of course, plenty - the majority, in fact - of HBU's are public schools and would be included.
And of course, only something like 3% of black graduates come from HBU's
Not to mention that the majority of the remaining 97% of black graduates are from public schools, and would benefit from Sanders' proposal.
None of that mattered though. Sanders was an evil racist sack of shit for proposing tuition-free education for public schools, because HE JUST IS, OKAY!
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)it was your post accusing another poster of 'race baiting' that I decided to start this thread. That thread is locked so I couldn't respond there.
I hope you'll read the article I posted upthread, which explains perhaps better than I can, why I find that a poor choice of term. For me, it goes beyond just the dictionary definition, to an historical one.
I hope you enjoyed a good holiday weekend.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)At the same time, an OP like yours is helpful to clarify things for the community. I hope you see how others look at race-baiting and bigotry in the context of DU discussions now.
Btw, both posts were hidden because DU juries agreed that they were racist and sexist.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)are right wingers worried about their own loss of privilege. Cops shooting a disproportionate amount of black suspects isn't the problem, it's those who bring the truth to light.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)I know some wonderful Sanders supporters offline. None of them would use that term against a fellow liberal who tries to discuss issues involving race. If they did I or one of my friends would correct them in no uncertain terms.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Not being American I don't have a vote, and that means I don't have to make a choice between Sanders and Clinton. I don't want Trump to get in. I've found that both Sanders and Clinton camps have some wonderful supporters, unfortunately they both got some right idiots as well.
lovemydog
(11,833 posts)Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)has absolutely nothing to do with either candidate.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)There's a pretty big difference between this:
Person A: "Wow, sure are a lot of black people getting killed by cops!"
person B: "Stop race-baiting!"
and this:
Person A: "My candidate got 3% more of the Latino vote, so clearly your candidate and all their supporters must have something against Latinos!"
Person B: "Stop race baiting!"