2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumSo the only way Bernie can win the nomination
is to do really well in the few states that are left. That still will not give him enough declared delegates.
Next he will need to convince super-delegates (which he despises unless they are with him) to go against the will of the people and support the candidate that got the fewer votes.
So the only way for sanders to win is to essentially pull a George w bush and use unelected officials to steal the election for him.
If he cares about democracy, why is Bernie wasting everyone's time and money?
JoePhilly
(27,787 posts)... the bus if he did not.
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)It's just a matter of when.
floriduck
(2,262 posts)It's called Democracy and it can be messy.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)Oh wait...
dchill
(38,578 posts)But it is most decidedly not, and you know it.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)dchill
(38,578 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)to gain power.
So essentially Bernie is willing to stage a revolt, go against the will of the people, and then convince us that the end was worth the means because he was the only person who could save us.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)There is a very slight chance that he could convince SD's who have no legal obligation to support Clinton, but that is not a coup.
The chances of that are slim to none, but in a democracy we let the process play itself out.
That is not a coup or a "revolt."
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)vote for him, even though he has fewer pledged delegates.
basselope
(2,565 posts)CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)samson212
(83 posts)upaloopa
(11,417 posts)Because young people don't vote
samson212
(83 posts)And then belittling voters?
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Senator. He should go to court if he believes in this ultimate fantasy and whinning that even after the votes are counted he still won.
I would hate to have a president that lived in such a fairy land - with those terrible math skills.
I don't recall Bernie making a big deal out of African Americans being disenfranchised before, or the poor.
basselope
(2,565 posts)Guess maria doesn't think as much as she should.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)basselope
(2,565 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)Your candidate is now hurting the party - I hope we survive.
basselope
(2,565 posts)And you are wrong.. I am not a Hillary person.. so my candidate is not hurting the party.
I can tell you for sure, the party won't survive a Hillary candidacy.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)sure she'll be blamed for world war 1 or something.
basselope
(2,565 posts)skylucy
(3,747 posts)Bernie and all of his supporters are screaming about voting rights and being disenfranchised... But where were they when for the last few years minority voters across the nation have been systematically disenfranchised by Republican's (and the Repub. Tea Party idiots who were elected in midterms because not enough of these "purist liberals" showed up to vote). African Americans standing in line for hours and hours to vote, voter ID laws that affect minorities and the poor (and often the elderly too)...Where was their outrage then? When the Supreme Court gutted the Voter Rights Act? THOSE actions are real violations of voting rights. Not being a member of the Democratic Party and missing the deadline to re-register as a Dem and calling that a violation of voting rights ....That is BS. The Democratic Party here in California does not want Republicans choosing our nominee. Now that Trump is already their nominee, they would LOVE to cross over and mess with our primary. No way.
basselope
(2,565 posts)LoverOfLiberty
(1,438 posts)'we wuz robbed!' you have lost touch with reality.
Everyone plays be the same rules.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)by continuing to support Clinton, since she was lambasted in the Caucus.
Metric System
(6,048 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)my sympathy.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)the only path to victory for Bernie is to go against the will of the people.
samson212
(83 posts)Cobalt Violet
(9,905 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)Superdelegates are not there to "obey the will of the people." They are there to help insure that the Democratic Party chooses a candidate with a chance to win. The "will of the people" accounts for 85% of the selection process and superdelegates account for 15%.
The structure of the U.S. Government is not a pure democracy. The Constitution provides for a "republican form of government." Essentially that is elected representatives of the people. Does the Electoral College obey the will of the people? No, it does not, just ask Al Gore.
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lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Override the voters who picked an unelectable candidate. There can be no other reason.
Yes, it's undemocratic.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)barrow-wight
(744 posts)That's the new meme now: convince the pledged delegates to abandon their candidate. Talk about undemocratic. But it's Bernie, and the ends justify the memes in that camp.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)to whine and whine some more.
barrow-wight
(744 posts)What do they have?
Oh wait. Yes. They have a President Clinton to look forward to also.
MFM008
(19,826 posts)The lights, the crowds, the media, the headlines.
Sanders says DWS out, Frank out, Malloy out. Everybody listens to Sanders.
Where else can a 75 year old man get such attention?
Hes addicted.
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)... from the beginning.
And, yes, he IS addicted.
you exist only to belittle.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and then accuse others of wanting to move to the general election and try to win that.
very sad.
samson212
(83 posts)Why aren't we talking about policy and stuff? What's with all the hate? This is a primary! Let people vote! Then we get to talk about the platform!
KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)That is what really drives this continuing mess.
Yurovsky
(2,064 posts)Normally a "presumptive nominee" would be kicking ass at the end, mopping up all the remaining states. Yet Hillary is struggling with Democrats... Let that sink in.
And if she's under indictment in the coming months, you'll be thanking your lucky stars that Bernie - someone who polls indicate would SPANK Trump - is around to save the day for the Democratic Party.
CrowCityDem
(2,348 posts)Metric System
(6,048 posts)NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)What a ridiculous notion.
The states were, by and large, going to vote the way they vote regardless of when their primaries were scheduled.
Hillary struggling with Democrats? Not according to the vote/delegate count.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)or is this another one of the statements from Bernie that are self serving and lies?
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)onenote
(42,799 posts)Normally, when one candidate has an all but insurmountable lead, the remaining candidate(s) drop out and thus its pretty easy to "kick ass". But in fact, even where one candidate is the presumptive nominee, its pretty common for them to suffer a series of losses or close calls in the final round of primaries.
For example,in 1984, Mondale was the clear leader going into the last 10 primaries -- he hadn't "sewn it up" but due to the proportional allocation system, there wasn't much chance he would be overtaken. Of the last 10 contests, the presumptive nominee won only 3. He actually came in 3rd in two of the contests and only got over 50 percent in one.
In 1980, Ted Kennedy refused to give up the fight after it became clear he couldn't defeat Jimmy Carter. In the last dozen contests, Carter won only 7. But apart from die hard Kennedy supporters, no one thought Kennedy was going to get the nomination over Carter.
In 1976, Carter lost 5 of the last 8 contests even though he was the presumptive nominee by that point.
And in 2008, proportional allocation made it all but certain Obama would be the nominee as early as mid-May, but Obama still lost 5 of the last 8 contests.
seabeyond
(110,159 posts)to vote for an outsider.
But ya... your main point. You are right.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)B Calm
(28,762 posts)seabeyond
(110,159 posts)Democrat her entire adult life. which was the start of this exchange. She has contributed to the Democratic party her entire adult life.
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)jamese777
(546 posts)Total popular vote as of May 30th
Hillary Clinton: 13,220,201 (55.4%)
Bernie Sanders: 10,196,828 (42.7%)
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Donald Trump: 11,663,279
Clinton over Sanders: 3,023,373
Clinton over Trump: 1,556,922
Trump over Sanders: 1,466,451
Hillary Clinton: 1,770 pledged delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,500 pledged delegates
Hillary Clinton: 522 superdelegates
Bernie Sanders: 43 superdelegates
Hillary Clinton: 2,290 total delegates
Bernie Sanders: 1,543 total delegates
Hillary Clinton: 27 contests won
Bernie Sanders: 21 contests won
Hillary Clinton needs 93 delegates
Bernie Sanders needs 840 delegates
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2016
B Calm
(28,762 posts)I think that's one reason Obama hasn't endorsed her yet. She is a deeply flawed candidate and I'm pissed off at the DNC for shoving her to the front and down our throats.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)Didn't Bill Clinton actually pay money to one of the women he was alleged to have harrassed?
NanceGreggs
(27,820 posts)... the nomination at this point.
What he now wants is to be handed the nomination without having "won" it - you know, a coronation.
840high
(17,196 posts)RobertEarl
(13,685 posts)I can already hear the chanting almost two months out.
It will become the chant heard round the world as thousands upon thousands of good US citizens petition the DNC with our voices.
Will the DNC become democratic and listen?
Will the establishment strike back with tear gas and batons?
Will the people prevail, or will democracy be crushed?
This is gonna be exciting as anything most of us have ever seen. Hooray for democracy!