2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumThis bears reposting. This is how to act once one knows he/she isn't going to be the nominee:
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)That's what Hillary did. She held on until all the voting was done and put all her chips on the table at the convention.
This year Democratic Convention starts July 25, in Philadelphia. That's about two months from now, as this is May 30. Two long months.
George II
(67,782 posts)....on June 7, 2008.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/Vote2008/story?id=5020581
This is precisely what she said:
"The way to continue our fight now, to accomplish the goals for which we stand, is to take our energy, our passion, our strength, and do all we can to help elect Barack Obama as the next president of the United States," Clinton said.
"Today, as I suspend my campaign, I congratulated him on the victory he has won. ... I endorse him and throw my full support behind him."
Do you think we'll see anything like that from Sanders next week?
oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)Plus, she knew she could still run in 2016.
How shocking that she endorsed the candidate who could provide all that.
Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)June 7, 2008
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)the convention
that is the difference between having class and not having class
CorporatistNation
(2,546 posts)Cause THIS Ain't over yet... Hillary!
Blame not a soul but yourself... ALL of THIS has exclusively been of your doing... Oh... so high school...
MSNBC To the deniers... Watch THIS Video... It is not comforting to think that she may well be the Democratic Nominee...
Hillary really betrayed Andrea Mitchell... The entire context of this report was of a solemn nature... A Funeral so to speak...
Andrea Mitchell "I do not see this report as ...ANYTHING BUT... DEVASTATING!"
Chuck Todd "After this I don't think that she could get confirmed for Attorney General!"
Lots of FIBBING by Hillary here.. for more than a year!
brush
(53,946 posts)Depaysement
(1,835 posts)brush
(53,946 posts)he's lost?
There's a word for that too.
riversedge
(70,381 posts)It is a fantastic example. Thanks for posting.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)and if I recall, she wanted to ensure that Obama would improve healthcare before she conceded, well before the convention.
But that's Hillary concern for the progressive side and it wasn't about personal ambition.
And then Bill Clinton gave a speech in 2012 that stopped Obama's downward support spiral during the election.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Clinton v. Obama was more of a race between two personalities. On policies -- and on the basic direction the Democratic Party should take -- the differences on policy or the basic allengiances of the democratic Party were not so fundamental.
Sanders reflects a much bigger difference on core issues of Wealth and Power, and whether the Democratic Party should continue to be so locked into the embrace of Wall St. and Big Business.....And whether it should make a break from Reagan/Bill Clinton corporate conservative economic policies.
So, when Hillary finally realized she had no other options, she endorsed Obama. The personality contest was heated, but there were no fundamental core principles she believes she had to continue to fight for.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,717 posts)There is a big difference...John McCain wasn't a North American version of Adolf Hitler.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Armstead
(47,803 posts)Nader's basic message was not wrong. It was his choice to run as a 3rd Party spoiler up through November that was the major problem with him.
Plus Nader was a bad candidate and had no elected credentials.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)Malloy.
Nothing says progressive principles like a good scalp-hunting vendetta.
Democrats aren't counting on any help from Bernie in the fall election. Just hoping he won't be a foe.
Armstead
(47,803 posts)geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)so is calling the likely first woman to be a major party nominee "unqualified" for the office.
We'll see soon enough (June 15) if Sanders is a man of real principle, or a leftwing Ted Cruz.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)and it made more sense. Now if you were to look at the two, Nader's would make more sense.
Also, Nader's organization was DOING a lot more than most other NGOs to try to help prevent disasters.
For example, had we listened to their advice, neither the death of approximately 1 out of 1.5 million people from mortality amenable to improved access to health care nor the 2008 financial crisis would have happened.
brush
(53,946 posts)Which is it, 3rd party or not?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)And the Democrats should have been more in line with that. It was about acountability of the political system, and moving it away from overwhelming corporate dominance of government.
Nader was a jerk because he chose to be a "spoiler" as a third party candidate who did not urge a late shift to prevent Bush from benefiting from his candidacy.
Sanders is trying to work for reform within the party. Like him or agree with him or not, he is doing exactly what people who have problems with the "status quo" are told to do -- which is work within the system to change it.
brush
(53,946 posts)He has yet to back off, which is advantageous to Trump.
And he's still making noises that Clinton will have to convince his own supporters to back her once she clinches his supporters when all he has to do is be graceful in defeat and gracious in asking his supporters to back the nominee of the party, like just about every other Democratic runner-up has done in the past, including Clinton in '08.
What's up with that?
Armstead
(47,803 posts)That will depend on many things between the end of the voting and the convention, and after.
It depends on how Clinton and the Democratic Party handle Sanders and the not-quite-half of voters who supported him in the primary...and how Sanders behaves and responds to that.
That's what politics is -- give and take. It's not a zero sum game, unless the Democrats decide that Clinton and the (current version of the DLC) owns the whole shebang lock, stock and barrel.If so, Sanders will have a right to fight, and his supporters will have the right to choose whether or not to hold their noses.
If Sanders simply acts like a butthead and tries to scuttle the chance to beat Trump out of spite....well that's another story. But we're still a long way from that particular bridge.
brush
(53,946 posts)Renew Deal
(81,889 posts)the election. The will of the voters doesn't matter because they don't know what's good for them."
Armstead
(47,803 posts)Great conservative way to marginalize and infantile any opposition to the narrow spectrum of allowed official partisan opinion as determined by the powers-that-be. That's authoritarian and Republican.
And I guess the "will of the voters" were correct in 2000 and 2004 when they elected Junior, and will be correct if Trump pulls out a victory over Clinton?
So if there are any close states with dubious voting rules in November , you will be silent and respect the "will of the voters"?
And even if Trump wins by an incontestable margin, you will be silent and go along with the "will of the voters" too?
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)The stakes in this election are so high: with two wars abroad, our economy in crisis here at home, and so many families struggling across America, the need for new leadership has never been greater.
At this point, we do not yet have a nominee and when the last votes are cast on June 3, neither Senator Obama nor I will have secured the nomination. It will be up to automatic delegates like you to help choose our partys nominee, and I would like to tell you why I believe I am the stronger candidate against Senator McCain and would be the best President and Commander in Chief.
Voters in every state have made it clear that they want to be heard and counted as part of this historic race. And as we reach the end of the primary season, more than 17 million people have supported me in my effort to become the Democratic nominee more people than have ever voted for a potential nominee in the history of our party. In the past two weeks alone, record numbers of voters participated in the West Virginia and Kentucky primaries. And with 40 and 35 point margins of victory, it is clear that even when voters are repeatedly told this race is over, theyre not giving up on me and I am not giving up on them either.
After seven years of feeling invisible to the Bush administration, Americans are seeking a President who is strong, experienced, and ready to take on our toughest challenges, from serving as Commander in Chief and ending the war in Iraq to turning our economy around. They want a President who shares their core beliefs about our country and its future and gets what they go through every day to care for their families, pay the bills and try to put something away for the future.
We simply cannot afford another four or eight years in the wilderness. That is why, everywhere I go, people come up to me, grip my hand or arm, and urge me to keep on running. That is why I continue in this race: because I believe I am best prepared to lead this country as President and best prepared to put together a broad coalition of voters to break the lock Republicans have had on the electoral map and beat Senator McCain in November.
Recent polls and election results show a clear trend: I am ahead in states that have been critical to victory in the past two elections. From Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to West Virginia and beyond, the results of recent primaries in battleground states show that I have strong support from the regions and demographics Democrats need to take back the White House. I am also currently ahead of Senator McCain in Gallup national tracking polls, while Senator Obama is behind him. And nearly all independent analyses show that I am in a stronger position to win the Electoral College, primarily because I lead Senator McCain in Florida and Ohio. Ive enclosed a detailed analysis of recent electoral and polling information, and I hope you will take some time to review it carefully.
In addition, when the primaries are finished, I expect to lead in the popular vote and in delegates earned through primaries. Ultimately, the point of our primary process is to pick our strongest nominee the one who would be the best President and Commander in Chief, who has the greatest support from members of our party, and who is most likely to win in November. So I hope you will consider not just the strength of the coalition backing me, but also that more people will have cast their votes for me.
I am in this race for them for all the men and women I meet who wake up every day and work hard to make a difference for their families. People who deserve a shot at the American dream the chance to save for college, a home and retirement; to afford quality health care for their families; to fill the gas tank and buy the groceries with a little left over each month.
I am in this race for all the women in their nineties whove told me they were born before women could vote, and they want to live to see a woman in the White House. For all the women who are energized for the first time, and voting for the first time. For the little girls and little boys whose parents lift them onto their shoulders at our rallies, and whisper in their ears, See, you can be anything you want to be. As the first woman ever to be in this position, I believe I have a responsibility to them.
Finally, I am in this race because I believe staying in this race will help unite the Democratic Party. I believe that if Senator Obama and I both make our case and all Democrats have the chance to make their voices heard everyone will be more likely to rally around the nominee.
In the end, I am committed to unifying this party. What Senator Obama and I share is so much greater than our differences; and no matter who wins this nomination, I will do everything I can to bring us together and move us forward.
But at this point, neither of us has crossed the finish line. I hope that in the time remaining, you will think hard about which candidate has the best chance to lead our party to victory in November. I hope you will consider the results of the recent primaries and what they tell us about the mindset of voters in the key battleground states. I hope you will think about the broad and winning coalition of voters I have built. And most important, I hope you will think about who is ready to stand on that stage with Senator McCain, fight for the deepest principles of our party, and lead our country forward into this new century.
Hillary Clinton
The letter was followed by 11 pages of statistics showing that even though she was behind, the race wasnt over. In the end it was the support of superdelegates that gave Obama the clear win.
Baobab
(4,667 posts)or hundreds of thousands of dollars per person?
Sancho
(9,070 posts)Hillary showed character, and unity for the Democratic party.
I would hope Bernie would do the same thing soon, as the magic number of delegates will be reached on June 7 if not before.
This primary is over and not even close - and Bernie should help win the GE.
asuhornets
(2,405 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)"Deny, deny, deny"
Thanks for clearing that up.
George II
(67,782 posts)brush
(53,946 posts)Was there a law against an email server?
Sheepshank
(12,504 posts)And acted in a way that ensured a Republican could not make it into the Whitehouse. I frankly lack any confidence that Bernie will do the same when the time comes.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)when he's no longer chasing the votes of Democrats.
George II
(67,782 posts)dchill
(38,578 posts)Perceptions will vary.
aikoaiko
(34,185 posts)Quid pro quo
George II
(67,782 posts)aikoaiko
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Bill and Hill said despicable things about Obama.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)KingFlorez
(12,689 posts)Except it will involved Sanders being dragged off the floor by security for trying to disrupt the floor vote.