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Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:48 PM May 2016

Leonard Pitts: Bernie Sanders looking more like a sore loser

“You can’t always get what you want.” — The Rolling Stones

A few words in defense of pragmatism.

That ideal has taken quite a beating lately, mostly at the hands of Bernie Sanders and his supporters. The Vermont senator faces a virtually impossible deficit in his battle with Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination. Pragmatism would seem to suggest it’s time for him to pack it in.

But pragmatism don’t know Bernie. Or Bernie Nation.

If this weren’t clear before, it has been made abundantly so in the last two weeks, beginning with Sanders supporters in Las Vegas tearing open the Nevada Democratic convention in a protest so angrily chaotic it was shut down by security, fearing violence. But Sanders supporters weren’t done yet; they also sent death threats to party officials.

The proximate cause of this Trumpish behavior was a dispute over rules, a claim that, as Sanders’ campaign manager put it, the convention had been “hijacked” to award more delegates to Hillary Clinton. Politico rated that false.

In a Monday interview, Sanders told the Associated Press that this summer’s convention could be “messy,” though he later insisted that was not a tacit suggestion of violence.

Given the intensity of the emotions at play and the behavior of his supporters in Vegas, it’s hard to see how it could have been anything but. Which is disappointing. A few days ago, Sanders’ campaign seemed headed for an honorable legacy. But he has apparently decided instead upon a legacy of peevishness and sore losing, which is, as Frank Bruni noted a few weeks back in The New York Times, a hallmark of this political epoch."


http://savannahnow.com/opinion-columns/2016-05-25/leonard-pitts-bernie-sanders-looking-more-sore-loser

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Leonard Pitts: Bernie Sanders looking more like a sore loser (Original Post) Demsrule86 May 2016 OP
Just an all around loser. Nt seabeyond May 2016 #1
True that Demsrule86 May 2016 #2
''Loser'' as defined by social class? Octafish May 2016 #99
Social manners. nt. msanthrope May 2016 #104
"Trumpish behavior" OUCH. nt BootinUp May 2016 #3
It sure looked that Demsrule86 May 2016 #5
I am getting disapointed in his campaign. SharonAnn May 2016 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #35
What are you talking about? OwlinAZ May 2016 #70
You folks are giving "pragmatism" a bad name Armstead May 2016 #6
I don't see Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #7
Read the damn article at the link Armstead May 2016 #9
To me the vote on autos is what Bernie is all about Demsrule86 May 2016 #10
The examples you give Demsrule86 May 2016 #11
Pragmatism is about getting results. Armstead May 2016 #16
Obama is a gifted politicican Demsrule86 May 2016 #22
I don;'t care who you support. But I am pointing out that the claim that "pragmatism" belongs.... Armstead May 2016 #24
I don't consider Bernie's Demsrule86 May 2016 #28
Sequestration was the result of 'pragmatism' AgingAmerican May 2016 #74
hallmark enid602 May 2016 #8
nice fodder for the fantasy bubble GreatGazoo May 2016 #12
Honestly Demsrule86 May 2016 #17
Of course there is no such "team" GreatGazoo May 2016 #21
Sure there is Demsrule86 May 2016 #23
Both of them are running against Hillary. That isn't a conspiracy, it's just democracy. GreatGazoo May 2016 #27
I call it backstabbing Demsrule86 May 2016 #85
The Hillary campaign has not called for Sanders to drop out but you have? GreatGazoo May 2016 #95
Oh please she can't Demsrule86 May 2016 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #36
Same old, same old. OwlinAZ May 2016 #72
If Bernie had only achieved on thing randr May 2016 #13
His bucket of tears Demsrule86 May 2016 #18
If Hillary does not get out of the mess she put her self in randr May 2016 #20
Bernie would lose Demsrule86 May 2016 #29
You're right. Her emails are baloney. Fawke Em May 2016 #41
More right wing bullshite Demsrule86 May 2016 #83
Who are among the many who said randr May 2016 #67
That is really all he wants larkrake May 2016 #34
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #39
Maybe because he is a sore loser? When you're already an angry old man, adding bad loser anotherproletariat May 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #40
Sanders is indeed a sore loser Gothmog May 2016 #15
who's Leonard Pitts? Jack Bone May 2016 #19
Leonard Pitts Demsrule86 May 2016 #25
A hack who has never had a kind word to say about Bernie Fawke Em May 2016 #45
So everyone who dislikes Bernie is a hack? Demsrule86 May 2016 #48
His writing is hit and miss. He's in the tank for the establishment. Throd May 2016 #50
Ok...but Breitbart and Fox Demsrule86 May 2016 #64
Yes, that is exactly what I wrote. Throd May 2016 #68
You know Bernie supporter use those sources Demsrule86 May 2016 #84
I'm a distinguished writer in real life. Fawke Em May 2016 #58
I have always liked the guy Demsrule86 May 2016 #65
Did you win a Pulitzer? Demsrule86 May 2016 #66
!!! Number23 May 2016 #112
Obviously a Clinton partisan OwlinAZ May 2016 #73
Bernie has lost Demsrule86 May 2016 #86
Could be worse. Could be looking like a criminal. Matt_in_STL May 2016 #26
"beginning with Sanders supporters in Las Vegas tearing open the Nevada Democratic convention... Lil Missy May 2016 #30
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #43
She got all the votes in February Demsrule86 May 2016 #49
This message was self-deleted by its author artislife May 2016 #82
Oh, please. Spare us the made up stories. OwlinAZ May 2016 #76
I'd rather a sore loser than a sore winner. Nedsdag May 2016 #31
I am part of the progressive wing... Demsrule86 May 2016 #44
Who is Leonardo Pitts and why should we give a fuck ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #32
He is a very distinguished writer Demsrule86 May 2016 #37
I have been reading political writing for 30 years and never heard of him before Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #55
Me neither. OwlinAZ May 2016 #78
He won a Pulitizer Prize for political commentary hack89 May 2016 #90
WTF? You think I'm lying??? Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #113
Then you are not as widely read as you think you are hack89 May 2016 #117
Me neither. (n/t) SMC22307 May 2016 #94
So who do you read? Demsrule86 May 2016 #102
what papers? I read the Times, WaPo, my local is run by Gannet/USA Today Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #114
Never heard of him ThePhilosopher04 May 2016 #80
This message was self-deleted by its author TM99 May 2016 #88
what tripe larkrake May 2016 #33
No more so than Hillary did in 2008 when she refused to concede after all states had voted. AtomicKitten May 2016 #38
She conceded after primary season Demsrule86 May 2016 #42
After four days and securing the job as SOS and help paying off her $20 million campaign debt. AtomicKitten May 2016 #46
Bull shit Demsrule86 May 2016 #47
Uh huh. Well, I worked his campaign and watched closely. AtomicKitten May 2016 #51
I was in Ohio and saw the number clearly Demsrule86 May 2016 #54
How DARE You accuse President Obama of a FELONY!!!! MohRokTah May 2016 #96
I think you have lost your mind Demsrule86 May 2016 #105
Um, My post was not in response to you. MohRokTah May 2016 #110
Not even close to the same. HRC was not trying to sabatage the nominee or the Democratic Party. Lil Missy May 2016 #109
+1 rock May 2016 #52
Thanks! Demsrule86 May 2016 #56
One man's opinion. Bob-o the Clown May 2016 #53
That is always the case Demsrule86 May 2016 #60
and Hillary is looking more like a likely loser Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #57
I think she will beat Trump Demsrule86 May 2016 #61
Reliably Spreading Establishment FUD - Meme 63 cantbeserious May 2016 #59
I heard Bernie Demsrule86 May 2016 #62
Your Opinion Only - Others See The World Much, Much Differently cantbeserious May 2016 #63
Still beating that dead horse in Vegas? frylock May 2016 #69
'Pragmatism' brought us Sequestration AgingAmerican May 2016 #71
And we would have Demsrule86 May 2016 #87
"We had to do it, else they would have shot the hostage!" AgingAmerican May 2016 #93
See that is why you all can't be trusted Demsrule86 May 2016 #100
The debt ceiling would not have been blown up AgingAmerican May 2016 #103
You underestimate the stupidity of Republicans Demsrule86 May 2016 #107
Let's see where the true stupidity lies.... AgingAmerican May 2016 #108
Doctor_J: Hillary Clinton looking more and more like a defendant in a criminal court Doctor_J May 2016 #75
What a crappy article GRhodes May 2016 #77
Yup, "crappy" pretty much sums it up. n/t TonyPDX May 2016 #79
This message was self-deleted by its author wendylaroux May 2016 #81
After reading some of these comments... Demsrule86 May 2016 #89
Leonard Pitts Demsrule86 May 2016 #92
like a bad case of gout MFM008 May 2016 #91
Who cares about the OP-Ed this person wrote? I don't and I sincerely doubt many people even read it. jillan May 2016 #97
I am sure you would prefer Fox Demsrule86 May 2016 #106
Looks like Bernie is a Fighter to me ....and and fighter for me. Ferd Berfel May 2016 #98
K&R this is a well-written and very accurate piece, especially the ending Number23 May 2016 #111
More? barrow-wight May 2016 #115
Hilarious... I actually went ahead and read the piece and the last is pretty damning for Hillary Fast Walker 52 May 2016 #116

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
5. It sure looked that
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:55 PM
May 2016

way and when Bernie talked of a messy convention...we all got the veiled threat.

Response to SharonAnn (Reply #4)

 

OwlinAZ

(410 posts)
70. What are you talking about?
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:18 PM
May 2016

Turn off the corprorate media blather. You will be happier and closer to the truth.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
6. You folks are giving "pragmatism" a bad name
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:56 PM
May 2016

You also don't own the concept of pragmatism. The Centrist Corporate Democrats did not invent it.

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2015/10/31/socialist-even-conservative-could-love-burlington-mayor-sanders-was-able-out-republican-republicans/SCmh2TLifXxXRPFKC8NMjO/story.html


As Senator Bernie Sanders’ campaign for the presidency unfurls, there is a surprising truth to be found in his eight-year tenure as mayor of Vermont’s largest city, or the “People’s Republic of Burlington” as it was often called.

Sanders, the unyielding ideologue, who once read Fidel Castro’s biography during a crucial meeting in City Hall, turned out to be a pragmatic and efficient administrator, one so fiscally conservative that some Republicans say he managed to “out-Republican the Republicans.” He just did it his way.

Determined to find alternatives to the property tax, which he considered regressive, he had municipal attorneys pore over the city charter in search of novel revenue sources. When he found the city’s insurance contracts had been repeatedly awarded to the same local companies, he applied a “radical socialist concept, competitive bidding,” as he later jokingly described it, and saved the city thousands of dollars.

Conservatives grumbled when Sanders put his sneaker-clad feet up on the table, but when his new treasurer discovered a $1.9 million surplus hidden in the budget, they grew quiet.

Walk around Burlington today and it is hard to miss Sanders’ legacy. The city’s waterfront, slated for condominiums and commercial development when he took office, now boasts a community boathouse, a science center, and a public beach.

The city’s lone downtown food store is a cooperative market that heeds 26 “Supermarket Principles,” one of them a commitment to serve low-income customers. Not far from it is the Champlain Housing Trust, a nonprofit that manages about 2,600 units of affordable housing, and is the largest such trust in the country.

Sanders had his share of critics, to be sure. Those to the right said he was too antagonistic and ridiculed his development of a municipal “foreign policy,” while those on the left said he was too compromising, a traitor to the socialist cause. But few disputed that his policies resulted in an efficient and responsive city government, one that, among other successes, kept the streets cleared of snow.
 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
9. Read the damn article at the link
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:58 PM
May 2016

Looks to me like he knows exactly how to govern in a practical way

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
10. To me the vote on autos is what Bernie is all about
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:03 PM
May 2016

I have no doubt he supported autos to some extent and voted in December to save them...but that vote lost...come January the auto money was in a bill which also gave money to banks...Bernie knew the money was there ...it was discussed before the vote...and despite the importance of saving our last great industry and unions too...he voted against the bill with the auto money...because of the bank money...How many jobs would we have lost. Bernie does not have the judgement to be president ...to make the hard choices.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
11. The examples you give
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:07 PM
May 2016

still show an adherence to his ideology that is not possible as president. He found a way to make his vision a reality...easy to do in a small state but not possible with the GOP house.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
16. Pragmatism is about getting results.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:13 PM
May 2016

The scale may be different, but the same personal skills and characteristics and pragmatic approach are a template of how he could be expected to operate in the WH.

IF you bothered to read the article, it shows that he had the same "Crazy Bernie" tag attached to him, but he won widespread support for the results, and even grudging respect of Republicans and business leaders for his ability to "get the job done." He was continually reelected by wider margins -- which indicates a majority of the population liked what he accomplished.



Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
22. Obama is a gifted politicican
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:26 PM
May 2016

And he could do nothing with the house...and Bernie is not that likeable...not even by the Democrats. The stuff you cite happened many years ago...but the Senate is a different ballgame and so it the House. Honestly, Bernie has lost ...so it really does not matter. I was just explaining why although I share much ideology with Bernie, I supported Hillary in the end.

 

Armstead

(47,803 posts)
24. I don;'t care who you support. But I am pointing out that the claim that "pragmatism" belongs....
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:29 PM
May 2016

to only one flavor of Democrat or politician or citizen is hogwash.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
28. I don't consider Bernie's
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:46 PM
May 2016

later votes pragmatic. I think he has demonstrated an inability to govern in a pragmatic way.

enid602

(8,594 posts)
8. hallmark
Sun May 29, 2016, 01:57 PM
May 2016

"But he has apparently decided instead upon a legacy of peevishness and sore losing, which is, as Frank Bruni noted a few weeks back in The New York Times, a hallmark of this political epoch." It is also a hallmark of Bernie's personality, style and of his tenure in politics.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
12. nice fodder for the fantasy bubble
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

but in reality none of the millions who voted for (or wanted to but were purged before they could vote for) Bernie Sanders wants him to drop out. Sanders champions a collection of causes and goals that desperately need a voice in this election. He has focused on issues and goals while the MSM talks about Trump's tiny hands and the like.

Sanders has run the nicest possible campaign against Hillary. Said nothing about her emails or anything else even though the MSM asked him a hundred times. He continue even now.

I hope no one is under the illusion that Trump is going to play nice or that whining, complaining and deflecting is going to work in the GE. We need to win this thing. I hope Obama's team is available to help Hillary in the GE because they run a much better campaign than her current team has so far.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
21. Of course there is no such "team"
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:21 PM
May 2016

If we are going into the GE to beat Trump, we need to leave these fantasies behind. It makes a nice smear but as we move to a GE strategy we are going to have to think more straightforwardly. We will have to be more honest with ourselves about our strengths and weaknesses in that match up.

Donald Trump is a flamethrower -- this parade of strawmen that was unleashed on Sanders is not going to cut it against Trump; mostly because, unlike what the blackout and Swiftboating of Bernie that helped the strawmen succeed, the MSM will give Trump the airtime to respond.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
23. Sure there is
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:28 PM
May 2016

In fact ,Weaver said that Trumps criticisms of Hillary were true...on television. Even now Bernie criticizes her all the time...when he has no path...and Trump says much the same thing.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
27. Both of them are running against Hillary. That isn't a conspiracy, it's just democracy.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:45 PM
May 2016

Sanders contrasted his style and his platform with hers. He mentioned repeatedly and pointedly that Hillary gets $225K per visit to Wall St. It is a matter of public record that she does and she can explain it or laugh or do whatever.

There is zero overlap between the kid gloves contrast highlighting that Sanders has done and Trump calling Bill Clinton the R word and tweeting that Hillary should be you know whated. Completely different. Zero in common. Reasonable people can easily see the difference.

Sanders should be thanked for running a positive campaign, getting people to register Democrat and for helping set Hillary up as a centrist.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
101. Oh please she can't
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:23 PM
May 2016

she seems to think he will come to his senses and help defeat Trump...yeah right.

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #23)

randr

(12,409 posts)
13. If Bernie had only achieved on thing
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:09 PM
May 2016

it would have been that he has started a movement toward a better Democratic Party. One that holds itself to real principles unafraid of change. A party that welcomes all who hold our Democratic values of equality for all.
For the first time in my long life I am witnessing a candidate that is unabashedly liberal, willing to hold others accountable without self interest, playing outside of the "Washington box" that all persuasions of political thinking find repugnant.
We all should be cheering Bernie on and hoping that the fire he has started does not go out.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
18. His bucket of tears
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:15 PM
May 2016

because he lost and the wind expended as he blamed everyone and everything...almost put the flame out...if we work together and elect Hillary (not Trump for God's sake) it will burn brightly again.

randr

(12,409 posts)
20. If Hillary does not get out of the mess she put her self in
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:18 PM
May 2016

we will all be glad that Bernie is still viable and kickin Trumps ass

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
29. Bernie would lose
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:47 PM
May 2016

He can not win a general. The GOP want him for a reason...but the email stuff is baloney so no worries.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
41. You're right. Her emails are baloney.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:03 PM
May 2016

But her unsecured server leaking national security secrets like a sieve isn't.

randr

(12,409 posts)
67. Who are among the many who said
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:59 PM
May 2016

Trump can never win.
We are witnessing a new political reality.
"Get out of the road if you can't lend a hand"--Bob said that

Response to randr (Reply #13)

 

anotherproletariat

(1,446 posts)
14. Maybe because he is a sore loser? When you're already an angry old man, adding bad loser
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:11 PM
May 2016

just does nothing for your image.

Response to anotherproletariat (Reply #14)

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
25. Leonard Pitts
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:35 PM
May 2016






In a career spanning 40 years, Leonard Pitts, Jr. has been a columnist, a college professor, a radio producer and a lecturer. But if you ask him to define himself, he will invariably choose one word. He is a writer, period, author of one of the most popular newspaper columns in the country and of a series of critically-acclaimed books, including his latest, a novel called Freeman. And his lifelong devotion to the art and craft of words has yielded stellar results, chief among them the 2004 Pulitzer Prize for commentary.

But that is only the capstone of a career filled with prizes for literary excellence. In 1997, Pitts took first place for commentary in division four (newspapers with a circulation of over 300,000) in the American Association of Sunday and Feature Editors' Ninth Annual Writing Awards competition. He is a three-time recipient of the National Association of Black Journalists’ Award of Excellence, and was chosen NABJ’s 2008 Journalist of the Year. Pitts is a five-time recipient of the Atlantic City Press Club’s National Headliners Award and a seven-time recipient of the Society of Professional Journalists’ Green Eyeshade Award.

http://www.leonardpittsjr.com/Biography.html



































































































Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
48. So everyone who dislikes Bernie is a hack?
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:12 PM
May 2016

This guy is a distinguished...writer and all around good guy...you guys are way out there these days.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
84. You know Bernie supporter use those sources
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:20 PM
May 2016

but you go after a lifelong Dem...who is well thought of and has won awards.

Fawke Em

(11,366 posts)
58. I'm a distinguished writer in real life.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:20 PM
May 2016

I think he's marginal, at best, and certainly doesn't do his homework.

The people who are "out there" are those who think a private email account is the same as a private email server and don't understand the consequences of mishandling national defense data.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
86. Bernie has lost
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:22 PM
May 2016

He should get out with some dignity and work for the general...but it is all about him...sore loserism.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
30. "beginning with Sanders supporters in Las Vegas tearing open the Nevada Democratic convention...
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:48 PM
May 2016

in a protest so angrily chaotic it was shut down by security, fearing violence. But Sanders supporters weren’t done yet; they also sent death threats to party officials"

YET - the BSers thaink that's all okay, as long as they didn't see a chair thrown!

Response to Lil Missy (Reply #30)

Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Nedsdag

(2,437 posts)
31. I'd rather a sore loser than a sore winner.
Sun May 29, 2016, 02:49 PM
May 2016

Especially when Hillary refuses to listen to the progressive wing of her party (don't give me that "oh, she was the 11th most liberal senator" crap) and will only give Sanders supporters morsals.

Be careful what you wish you wish for.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
37. He is a very distinguished writer
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:01 PM
May 2016

And has been in politics for years... but I doubt you would give a damn.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
117. Then you are not as widely read as you think you are
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:07 PM
May 2016

his post 911 column, for example, was huge in America. Can't see how you missed that one.

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
114. what papers? I read the Times, WaPo, my local is run by Gannet/USA Today
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

I read the blogs and all that. I'm not a novice. He's just not that well known IMO.

Response to ThePhilosopher04 (Reply #32)

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
42. She conceded after primary season
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:04 PM
May 2016

Just heard Bernie give all sorts of fantasy answers about staying and flipping the supers...and he again said he won't help as Clinton helped Obama in 08...and Obama owes his re-election to the big dog...Bill Clinton who campaigned for him tirelessly in 12. So Bernie is a sore losers and is in it for Bernie from what I can tell.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
46. After four days and securing the job as SOS and help paying off her $20 million campaign debt.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:07 PM
May 2016

Pres Obama doesn't owe the Clintons a damn thing. In fact, it was Hillary's stint as Secretary of State that was Obama's biggest fuck-up. She pushed for blowing up Libya, calling it among her "greatest achievements." Libya - which Pres Obama calls his "biggest mistake."

Bernie would be a fool to drop out with indictment hanging over her head.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
47. Bull shit
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:10 PM
May 2016

The president makes policy...SOS does what he says...and the Clinton's got him re-elected...I worked the campaign and saw the numbers...take it to the bank.

 

AtomicKitten

(46,585 posts)
51. Uh huh. Well, I worked his campaign and watched closely.
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:16 PM
May 2016

Your version is typical Clinton delusional lore.

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
96. How DARE You accuse President Obama of a FELONY!!!!
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:40 PM
May 2016

That's exactly what you did, you accused President Obama of committing a felony. The sort of Quid Pro Quo you laimed happened is a FEDERAL FELONY!

Now present the evidence of the felony you claim the president committed.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
105. I think you have lost your mind
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:30 PM
May 2016

The Democratic president Bill Clinton helped get president Obama re-elected and that is a fact...you know some of us think Democrats are better than Republicans...and we actually work to help elect Democrats...I am sure that does not apply to you. Bill came and spoke in Youngstown Ohio when Obama could not because of Sandy in fact...and he was great. Biden was there too. I adore Biden. I had the pleasure of meeting him several times...Bill was all over the place ...he was the "explainer in chief"...and he helped tremendously. Have you ever even worked in a real campaign?

 

MohRokTah

(15,429 posts)
110. Um, My post was not in response to you.
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:13 PM
May 2016

It was in response to the person saying that there was a quid pro quo for Hillary to endorse and she would get the SoS nomination.

Lil Missy

(17,865 posts)
109. Not even close to the same. HRC was not trying to sabatage the nominee or the Democratic Party.
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016

Facts are such inconvenient things.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
62. I heard Bernie
Sun May 29, 2016, 03:23 PM
May 2016

at the link provided right here on Dem underground...he is delusional. I almost felt sorry for him...to have come so close...done better than any expected but...he lost just the same.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
87. And we would have
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:24 PM
May 2016

blown up the debt ceiling without it...so your solution? I am all ears how you and Bernie could deal with the worst congress in history.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
93. "We had to do it, else they would have shot the hostage!"
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

That's cowardly thinking.

Sequestration handed the GOP a bunch of stuff they had sought for decades, for little to nothing in return. Same thing with the other 'pragmatic' deals Obama made with the GOP.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
100. See that is why you all can't be trusted
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:22 PM
May 2016

you can't blow up the debt ceiling...teabagger thinking on the left. The sequestration was supposed to be so awful that the GOP could not live with it. Obama underestimated their hate.

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
107. You underestimate the stupidity of Republicans
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:35 PM
May 2016

They actually believe many of them...that you could breach the debt ceiling and nothing bad would happen...it could happen...and it will be a fight every time the debt ceiling comes up...the more far right that are elected the greater the danger and Bernie could not handle that.

 

AgingAmerican

(12,958 posts)
108. Let's see where the true stupidity lies....
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:40 PM
May 2016
https://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/sequester

Harmful automatic budget cuts — known as the sequester — threaten hundreds of thousands of jobs, and cut vital services for children, seniors, people with mental illness and our men and women in uniform.

These cuts will make it harder to grow our economy and create jobs by affecting our ability to invest in important priorities like education, research and innovation, public safety, and military readiness.


Yet he signed onto it anyway.

GRhodes

(162 posts)
77. What a crappy article
Sun May 29, 2016, 04:23 PM
May 2016

This person just threw together every tired talking point that has been debated here and elsewhere thousands of times. It is an article entirely for those people living in the Clinton bubble, the same people that pushed the most unpopular and untrusted Democratic nominee in party history on us all. Trump, the most unpopular nominee in polling history, was thrown up and the geniuses in the Democratic Party thought, hey, let's do the same.

I'd also like to know what makes supporting a candidate under FBI investigation, someone with historically bad net favorables, someone not trusted, and someone now polling even with Donald freaking Trump is "pragmatic". How is supporting someone as corrupt as her "pragmatic", or someone as hawkish, with her center-right economic record "pragmatic"? It isn't, and there is nothing un-pragmatic about Sanders either. He seeks more structural change (what a crazy idea, given how inequitable and corrupt the system is), and his changes would take longer and involve a tougher fight to implement as a result.

Response to Demsrule86 (Original post)

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
92. Leonard Pitts
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:27 PM
May 2016

has a long history of accomplishments...the real deal...what have you folks who are willing to throw the general for Bernie Sanders (sore loser) accomplished...always the same story...you accomplish little mostly nothing.

jillan

(39,451 posts)
97. Who cares about the OP-Ed this person wrote? I don't and I sincerely doubt many people even read it.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:43 PM
May 2016

Demsrule86

(68,456 posts)
106. I am sure you would prefer Fox
Sun May 29, 2016, 06:32 PM
May 2016

than a lifelong Democrat...but hey it doesn't take Leonard writing to notice that Bernie is a sore loser-bitter and angry.

Ferd Berfel

(3,687 posts)
98. Looks like Bernie is a Fighter to me ....and and fighter for me.
Sun May 29, 2016, 05:49 PM
May 2016

I want someone who will fight to the bitter end for me. As opposed to Kerry and Gore who just gave up and walked.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
111. K&R this is a well-written and very accurate piece, especially the ending
Sun May 29, 2016, 07:36 PM
May 2016
As such, she might make a good president, might be a middling president, might even be a bad president, but at a minimum, she would be a president unlikely to hand out nuclear weapons like party favors or require customs agents to ask would-be visitors, “Are you now or have you ever been a Muslim?”

Clinton is, in other words, a good, pragmatic choice. And no, that’s not an inspiring battle cry.

But a reality show buffoon unburdened by knowledge, decency or dignity is closing in on the White House. We should probably take a little inspiration from that.


Exactly, Mr. Pitts.
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
116. Hilarious... I actually went ahead and read the piece and the last is pretty damning for Hillary
Sun May 29, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

"Yes, Clinton is, putting it mildly, a flawed candidate, stiff at the lectern, shameless in her pandering and disliked for reasons both substantive (she sometimes seems to have only a nodding relationship with truth) and not. (Since when is it a sin — or a surprise — for a politician to be ambitious?) But she’s also intelligent and experienced. And compared to Trump, she’s a plate of Lincoln with a side of FDR.

As such, she might make a good president, might be a middling president, might even be a bad president, but at a minimum, she would be a president unlikely to hand out nuclear weapons like party favors or require customs agents to ask would-be visitors, “Are you now or have you ever been a Muslim?”

Clinton is, in other words, a good, pragmatic choice. And no, that’s not an inspiring battle cry."

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